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February 22, 2008 1:40pm by David Farrar

Another one bites the dust

Speaker of the House Margaret Wilson will not be standing in the general election this year.

Ding dong ….

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dad4justice

Hey phul, why don’t you plagiarize your bong water for medical research so they can case study a functioning psychotic drug induced coma.
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February 22, 2008 7:57pm
philu

d4j..have you met john..and phil-the-inferior yet..?

(‘soulmates’ for you..i’m sure..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 22, 2008 8:00pm
James Sleep

Again David, you are censoring my comments!
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February 22, 2008 8:01pm
dad4justice

phul nil , you think a sole is caught in a fish net. Your are the typical useless utopian freak. Get a grip and get a soul !!
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February 22, 2008 8:03pm
philu

have you been drinking..?..d4j..

you are more incoherent than usual..

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 22, 2008 8:34pm
Pascal

philu: did you plagiarise that..?

Well, at least you recognize it. Putting the source next to it makes it less fun for people guessing where it’s from. Or don’t you know how to play that game?

I’m rather surprised D4J could carry on with that quote! And mightily impressed!
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February 22, 2008 8:38pm
Mr Nobody NZ

I think you guys are being a bit unfair on Tane. You need to remember that he actually believes the Labour propaganda which they’ve spouted for the past nine years which is why he must be finding things so difficult at present. I can’t imagine what it must be like to watch your world unravel as each political belief you hold is exposed for the lies that they are. But you should remember as this process continues Tane and Co’s attacks will become more and more desperate.

Over the past few months regular readers here will have already seen the beginnings of this desperation with the co-ordinated attack campaign in blogs like the standard, kbb and newzblog. It does seem though that even they are starting to loose faith which is why if you take the time to look at the comment sections on their blogs they seem like echo chambers of the left as the remnants of the faithful cling to each other and cry out “I still believe”.

Unfortunately as the election nears, I suspect that their desperation and attacks will most likely continue and escalate which is why I have to recommend RIP (Remove it Permanently). It was suggested by another contributor here, DC (http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/02/blog_bits_on_waitangi_day.html) and its simply brilliant as tool which allows block out all that annoying background noise so real discussion still take place without it constantly being distracted by the trolls.
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February 22, 2008 8:41pm
dad4justice

phul whore; why don’t you try and understand the party is all but over for this repugnant socialist government. No more freakshow folks time for clean sweep.Has your brain gone into dream boat mutation mode, as it suffers from the grotesque complications from severe psychotic hallucinations?
Do us all a big favour. Stop drinking the bong water.
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February 22, 2008 8:42pm
tom hunter

Well if one was to entertain a dog whistle the following imagined scene would be slightly more subtle and appropriate:

Election Night 2008:

Reporter: “We’re here at National Party HQ where John Key can be seen on the phone taking what we believe is the concession by the Prime Minister Helen Clark………. and the phone call appears to be ending…… let’s try and get a word here with the leader of the National Party……

Much shoving ensues, camera waves wildly but finally settles on the face of Key.

Reporter: “Mr Key. Was that the Prime Minister and has she conceded the election?”
John Key: “Ah Yes. That was the PM and she has conceded the election….”

Background cheering and yelling.

Reporter: Could you tell us what she said in the call Mr Key?”

Key looks straight into the camera and considers the hundreds of thousands of registered woman voters. His eye twinkles, he smiles, makes his decision, and changes his voice …..

“I’m melting! I’m melting! What a world. What a world!”
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February 22, 2008 8:43pm
philu

you shouldn’t be mixing alcohol with your meds..d4j..

you know that..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)

you like the ledger-drugs..eh d4j..?
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February 22, 2008 8:46pm
dad4justice

I am drinking lemonade you twisted tree hugger, worthless hunk of meaningless lard of crap !
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February 22, 2008 8:47pm
farfetched

they must find it difficult. those who have taken the authority as the truth rather than the truth as the authority.
-no idea who said that, but its brilliant yes?
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February 22, 2008 8:53pm
philu

maybe it’s the sugar that’s doing it to you..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 22, 2008 9:03pm
philu

did anyone else hear a low ‘boom’..?

doyareckon he exploded..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 22, 2008 9:05pm
dad4justice

What a drop kick no wonder NZ is struggling to find a back bone with deluded nuts like you wanking on about nothing.
If Labour win the election I dread to think what witch they put up for MADam speaker.
MR BROWNLEE PLEASE SIT DOWN – POLICE ARREST THAT MAN !!!!!
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February 22, 2008 9:15pm
tim barclay

The latest Morgan poll (tonight) has National about 20 points ahead. Nothing happened this week to stop the rot from Labour’s stinking carcass. All she has come up with is to stop selling paint to teenagers.
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February 22, 2008 9:37pm
Simeon

here is the latest poll

http://nzdebate.blogspot.com/2008/02/latest-roy-morgan-poll-reiterates-tvnz.html
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February 22, 2008 9:47pm
ZenTiger

I think DPF should apologise for calling her a chinless scarf wearer. Oh, hang on, that’s Mallard’s line. Tane, where are you, fighter for the respect of defamed women?
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February 22, 2008 10:31pm
Lindsay Addie

Re the Morgan it was done Feb 4 – 17th BEFORE the Owen Glenn/Labour/NZPoodles First fiasco really busted out in the MSM.

Labour are dead meat, their only hope is if Key makes the mother of all mistakes and lets them back into the game. Joe Public has had a gutsful of Clark. With Clark and friends now punch drunk and on the ropes there are no policy initiatives worth remembering instead there are serious problems in health, law and order, new electoral law which is milstone around the Governments neck, and the economy in need of a skilled and delicate hand. Also the bureaucrats will turn on them too (they usually turn on failing administrations).

My prediction is within three months serious splits will emerge inside the Labour Party with all those factions who secretly hate each other picking over the entrails, Clark will not be immune from this either. Goff will be left in a no win situation no matter what he does because the extreme left don’t like him and will resist him if he ever becomes leader and Labour will suffer devastion on election night making the Leaders job not worth having. My other prediction is that NZPoodles First will also split right down the middle, Peters is now a knackered politician with no credibility left (even the oldies will dump him at the election).

The Maori Party will be interesting to watch, have they got the adroit political skills required to maneovure themselves to play a constructive role in the next Parliament? The Greens can gain by attacking Labour and picking the many unhappy left wing voters who now must be getting the jitters. Though it must be said Russel Norman is a serious liability.
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February 22, 2008 11:00pm
John Dalley

Lindsay – You just hit the nail on the head. “If John Key makes the mother of all mistakes.
And the Green-horn will do just that.
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February 23, 2008 12:53am
Brabus

Ah hope springs eternal. I am sure that JK will hit a few bumps along the way but nothing that will make people forget how this government has taken advantage of them.

Still plug on, all power to you, you’re on a hiding to nothing at the moment and I’m sure you are well aware of the flock of chickens coming home to roost as we speak.
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February 23, 2008 2:20am
bwakile

John
Maharey gone
Wilson gone

Can’t you see Labour is sunk and you will be the mug who misses out on the lifeboat. All your “mates” will be off to another trough.

Bring back a true Labour Party so people like you can have some dignity.
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February 23, 2008 7:39am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

bwuhahaha another one gone.

At this rate the ginga will be prime minister by july.

wonder what colour Hulun’s parachute will be?
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February 23, 2008 7:53am
dad4justice

Another one gone and another one bites dust, yahoo, lalalalala , bring on ginga, another one gone, another bites the dust…..
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February 23, 2008 8:15am
Duxton

Posting at 12.53am, John Dalley? You poor bastard. Who did you piss off on the ninth floor?
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February 23, 2008 8:22am
Grant Michael McKenna

I’ll say it again- Katherine Rich for Speaker…
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February 23, 2008 8:23am
tim barclay

It sort of reminds me what Captain Hook Heather Mills and Margaret Wilson all have in common apart from their personalities.
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February 23, 2008 8:44am
philu

a particularly ‘nasty’ kiwiblog thread this one..

that reflects not well on anyone..

all the usual suspects have crawled out from under their rocks..

(look..!..there’s tim..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 23, 2008 8:49am
dad4justice

Oh please philu my violin has snapped a softcock liberal string.
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February 23, 2008 8:56am
philu

you’d all be up for some bear-baiting..?..then..?

how about playing “let’s laugh/sneer at the physically disabled!”

oh..!..hang on..!

you are already doing that..?

i mean..i/we don’t go on and on about ‘the weight issues’ of the national deputy leader..do we..?

and shit..!..his ‘disabilities’..are self-induced..!

i/we don’t go on and on about how ‘homely’ the national front bench is..?..do i/we..?

i/we we don’t bang on about how key looks like the pillsbury doughboy

how is it you sick fucks appear to derive such pleasure..?

from such infantile/puerile behavior..?

the ‘ugly’ face of the national party..on show for all to see..

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 23, 2008 8:58am
the deity formerly known as nigel6888

oh look a deadbeat pothead lecturing us on moral standards! how quaint.
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February 23, 2008 9:01am
vto

Philu – “nasty”?

Some posts maybe have a nasty element to them but the bulk from what I can see seem to be simply taking delight in the slow fall of their persecutors. An entirely natural human phenomenon.

You need to recall that this govt has been on the attack for a large slice of NZ’s population (eg rich pricks, chinless scarf-wearers, wreckers and haters) for most of its time.

Call it revenge. Call it he who laughs last laughs best (we won you lost eat that, etc). Call it chickens coming home to roost.

Call it what you will but I for one most definitely take delight in their fall. I have never liked them or their ‘greed and envy’ politics (as opposed to the more old-fashioned labour style). They have caused me and my family unnecessary pain and intrusion and financial loss and difficulty.

Provided there is no nasty personal element to the attack (which unfortunately there is a little) then this labour lot simply have no choice but to toughen up and take their own medicine.

Good riddance.

And Peace.
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February 23, 2008 9:06am
PhilBest

James Sleep, you poooor young fella, I feel so sorry for you…. all the essays we’ve written you, all the links we’ve posted for you to read, all the books we’ve recommended……. you must be one of these pathological born-that-way leftwingers we were talking about yesterday.

In response to your comment above: I don’t know if I can speak for D4J and some of the other guys you find offensive, but I was and still am a staunch Jenny Shipley supporter. So stick your accusations of mysogyny (look it up) where the sun don’t shine.

If you bother to actually read and actually follow and actually understand the thread above, it was TANE who automatically assumed that “Ding Dong” referred to the “witch is dead” song from the “Wizard of Oz” musical. (LONG before your time. Ask your grandparents, if you have any, or elderly neighbours, if you’re on speaking terms). The “right wing” ogres you condemn, thought of imagery of exit gates at the airport, the end of a round of boxing, and “for whom the bell tolls” (another one to ask the old folk about).

Seeing Tane started it, some of us felt licensed to indulge in a bit of humour at his expense. Tane is mature enough to have let it alone, notice.

And vto above, says it all. For sheer mean-spiritedness, it is hard to beat the current government leadership. “Chinless scarf-wearers”, “Rich pricks”,
etc…..

Looking at the broad sweep of history, are there ANY “libertarian” equivalents to the Bolsheviks, the Maoists, The Khmer Rouge, the Sendero Luminoso……..? Had there been, they would have turned THEIR nation into the world’s best off people. If the Bolsheviks had been Libertarians, Russia would have been up there with the USA.

Oddly enough, though the Libertarian “right” BELIEVES fervently in the “right” of their cause, there has NEVER been a movement that would stoop to murder in the pursuit of this “right”. Funny, that……….
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February 23, 2008 10:40am
SPC

Phil

The right is good at Orewa dog whistling, then denying that’s what they really meant when called on it
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February 23, 2008 10:52am
Ed Snack

And the left are so good at deliberately misinterpreting anytrhing and everything, for two reasons. One, they’re mostly obtusely stupid people at the core, and secondly, they want to create the aura of victimhood. Because, in the leftoid world, victimhood is strength and a sign the morally they deserve special priveleges.

Hence the sight of that clever but stupid little man, Cullen, pretending to be outraged. Being outraged, being the victim, makes it right to call anyone anything they like. It makes it acceptable to be a trotterist, pervert the law and be corrupt, makes it acceptable to treat those who oppose you in anyway, ultimately, you like.

Sad, really, but dangerous.

And on the original matter of this post, if Margaret Wilson went yesterday, nothing will ever quite make up for the absolute disgrace she has brought upon the office of speaker. She has got to be the most appallingly corrupt and dishonest person to occupy the position, a person of such miniscule talent and such an overwhelming sense of entitlement and bias that it will take a person of quite formidable talent to even start to restore matters. I speak as one who has endured some of her lecturing, and then she was an empty vessel with a fine sense of resentment and a way of poisoning any sense in a subject. No point in making fun of the completely irrelevant matter that she has lost a leg and has a prosthetic except that the most genuine thing about her is that prosthetic.
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February 23, 2008 5:50pm
SPC

The “left” have managed, over centuries, to deliver a more equal society from the wreckage which was “divine right” (the ultimaqte in to the manor born or martyrdom complex) rule of the fuedal order heirarchy. The work to end victimhood by ensuring justice for all – regardless of race, religion, gender etc.

And it is true that all that defence of this equal liberty and place for all, requires continued vigilance – especially from those who practice Orewa style dog whistling and cannot stand the educated and humanitarian left standing in solidarity with others whom others might exploit/persecute for some advantage for themselves.
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February 23, 2008 7:06pm
SPC

The “left” have managed, over centuries, to deliver a more equal society from the society wreckage which was “divine right” (the ultimate in to the manor born or martyrdom complex) rule of the feudal order hierarchy. The work to end victim-hood by ensuring justice for all – regardless of race, religion, gender etc.

And it is true that all that defence of this equal liberty and place for all, requires is continued vigilance – especially from those who practice Orewa style dog whistling and thus cannot stand the educated and humanitarian left standing in solidarity with those they might exploit/persecute for some advantage for themselves.
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February 23, 2008 7:17pm
dad4justice

“The “left” have managed, over centuries, to deliver a more equal society”

For example Stalin? How many did he butcher again – 30 million plus ?

Play chess SPCa ?
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February 23, 2008 7:28pm
Kimble

SPC, class warfare, rose tinted, naive bullshit.
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February 23, 2008 7:40pm
SPC

d4j

The “left” refers to the democraticisation of society to include all within the franchise etc and equal rights for all etc. Crying Stalin is as weak a rebuttal as calling Hide a Nazi.

And I understand the realpolitic of Orewa style dog whistling Kimble.

Those who dare to defend the have nots get accused of class warfare. Such is inevitable given the issue of the reality of growing inequality between the rich and poor.

It’s so 1984, considering who is actually practicising class warfare today.

Do you understand the global banking crisis and what caused it?

The Fed handed out far too much cheap cash for too long – all to prevent the American elite take a hit on their stock market profits of the 90’s. They cut taxes on the super rich, they cut cpaital gains taxes, they made saving in cash unattractive – all to maintain the stockmarket bubble (a ruling class self interest subversion of the economic system). This resulted in all sorts of new financial vehicles (including reinsuring the bonds of investment companies that were high risk – think BNZ loans to Chase, Equiticorp, Ariadne etc) and of course the temporary cheap loans to American home buyers. Now it’s all turned back on them while oil and food prices are causing an inflationary impact globally.

The whole world is now facing lower growth and inflationary pressures. In the 70’s the result was stagflation. It will be interesting how the more tax cut and monetarist era of today copes with the pressure which undermined faith in Keynesian economics.
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February 23, 2008 7:54pm
dad4justice

“equal rights for all etc ‘ ; Yeah right in Cuba or China SPCa ?
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February 23, 2008 8:14pm
1984

I think overuse of “they” and “them” is making you look a tad paranoid and some way from being an expert on either finance or history.
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February 23, 2008 8:25pm
SPC

d4j

Do you understand context, or is this something you need to evade?

The “left” I referenced to was the, “democraticisation of society to include all within the franchise”.

1984

Lets guess, you return to the board under differenty “names” to launch hit and run attacks on others and their posts, and for no other purpose.

As there is no actual relationship between partisanship and knowledge of finance and history, your post is incoherent and meaningless.
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February 23, 2008 9:25pm
dad4justice

SPC, you are well versed in adversarial tactics for effect, however another one from the left bit the dust is the thread title. You are trained by a mistress of spin who deflects any suggestion of a probing question. Labour do not know the meaning of a democratic society darling !
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February 23, 2008 9:38pm
SPC

d4j

The right wing’s pretence or veneer of being a party and government for all of society ends when any questioning “of whom” they actually govern for is made.

The classic poses used are

1. “we know best” and our critics are not informed.
2. a defence of the poor and the worker and exposure of how we rule in our own self interest (how the wage gap with Australia widened in the 1990’s, how income and wealth disparity increased, how many went into and stayed in poverty), is class warfare against us. And is divisive – we are scared that once opportunity for across the board tax cuts are used up we will lose once again.
3.
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February 23, 2008 10:00pm
dad4justice

Now, now, SPC where does the conservative voter place his or her vote in kiwiland? Don’t try your mumble jumble lefty bullshit with me darling. Got that clear have we? Dust the floor on level 9 now !
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February 23, 2008 10:05pm
SPC

2008 is the year for bravado on the right, and 2009 is possibly one for continued triumphalism, but after the one term government, the word conservative may come to mean – keeping the chair warm.
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February 23, 2008 10:45pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

SPC:

… but after the one term government…

Did you (a self-declared leftie) just call the election for National?
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February 23, 2008 10:56pm
SPC

I am first a realist, I did not vote until MMP, unless one was living in a marginal electorate why would one bother.

Yes, while I thought victory in 2008 was possible (50/50) back in 2005, I do not now.

I am reminded of something Bill Clinton said in late 1999, that the gains from economic growth of the 1990’s had yet to be shared with the poor (or all of America) – he said it once and then never mentioned it again. Maybe he wanted Gore to make it his theme (he did not). I wonder which leader in Labour will return Labour to it’s roots – certainly this government has left the opportunity for their successor to reclaim that ground.
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February 23, 2008 11:24pm
Peak Oil Conspiracy

SPC:

Interesting musings. Labour came to power in 1999 on the back of a “it’s time for change” campaign. Now we’re in 2008, and Labour supporters can’t see the irony when the same campaign is being used against them. That’s before we even get into the competing policy mixes (and corresponding arguments about what’s “best” for the country).

Your thoughts?
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February 24, 2008 12:08am
SPC

POC

I think Labour in 99 offered more “policy” change than National does now. Particularly when Alliance was very much an incoming government partner. But in 1999, it was more a symbolism of the end of the market reform drive to the right.

Though much of that was more of a few retrenchments back to former policy positions with more acceptance of reform than some would care to acknowledge.

In much the same way, National in 2008 is offering only some changes, and more acceptance of post 99 changes than one would have thought likely in either 1999 or 2005.
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February 24, 2008 12:17am
SPC

To clarify that, in 1999 Labour posed the idea of policy change whereas in 2008 National seems to be proposing the end of the reign of the Prime Minister with their nominee.
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February 24, 2008 12:19am
Peak Oil Conspiracy

SPC:

I generally agree, with some qualifications:

But in 1999, it was more a symbolism of the end of the market reform drive to the right.

There’s been a lot of talk about Labour’s post-1999 push to end market reform. But in my view that’s a myth. Aside from obvious areas, such as employment relations and Working for Families, I’m struggling to see areas where Labour has genuinely reversed National’s policy mix. In saying this, I’m leaving to one side its social policy (civil unions, s 59 debate etc), and focusing on economic policy.

That’s not to let National off scott-free. In my view (and it’s only my opinion), National has allowed itself to be pushed into a corner, by responding to public opinion on a sequence of issues, and abandoning principles-based politics. The result is policy confusion. Diehard National supporters will no doubt disagree, but I couldn’t even begin to articulate National’s core principles and policy, beyond its broad-based commitment to market-based solutions.

Whatever one thinks of Act and its policy mix, at least their principles are reasonably coherent.
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February 24, 2008 12:39am
philu

“..Whatever one thinks of Act and its policy mix, at least their principles are reasonably coherent..”

yeah..!..especially that (libertarian-justified?) policy to be able to hit your children..

and..at what age do actites consider a childs’ (libertarian?) right not to be hit by bigger people..kicks in..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 24, 2008 6:00am
philu

act..the party for personal freedom..

..(but with a height/age restriction..)..

how feckin’ ‘coherent’ is that..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 24, 2008 6:02am
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Philu:

You’ve picked out one issue, clearly dear to your heart, and ignored my words: In saying this, I’m leaving to one side its social policy (civil unions, s 59 debate etc), and focusing on economic policy.
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February 24, 2008 6:15am
philu

ok..’my bad!’..

but..how feckin’ coherent is that..?

(the question still ‘stands’..)

and surely that question must go to the heart of what it means to be an ‘actite’..

eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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February 24, 2008 6:33am
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Yes, well, it’s a fairly basic question but one you’ll need to direct to an “Actite”. There must be one or two of those who visit Kiwiblog – Camryn and Liberty Scott come to mind. You could also try reading Rodney Hide’s speeches on the s59 debate (I haven’t so don’t know what his philosophical stance was).
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February 24, 2008 6:38am
Peak Oil Conspiracy

Ok, Philu, I was sufficiently curious to go looking for Rodney Hide’s third reading speech. It can be found here:
http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Debates/Debates/0/8/8/48HansD_20070516_00001041-Crimes-Substituted-Section-59-Amendment.htm

Key extracts:

Let me explain why ACT opposes this bill. Sue Bradford and the Māori Party have a policy of zero tolerance for any violence against children. Included in that definition of violence is a smack. In their view we, as a Parliament, should make it a crime to smack a child, so that if a parent smacks a toddler, that is a crime. The bill removes any defence.

To make it plain what the purpose of the legislation is, I can do no better than to read clause 3, which states that the purpose is to “make better provision for children to live in a safe and secure environment free from violence …”. I think that is a very worthy purpose. But the clause goes on to say: “… by abolishing the use of parental force for the purpose of correction.” That is where the difference between ACT members and, I guess, now the vast majority of MPs lies. I do not think it is Parliament’s role to say to mums and dads that if they lightly tap their toddlers on the bottom, they are committing a criminal offence, and that they should not do it. This bill says not only that parents should not do that but that they are committing a crime against the Crimes Act in so doing.

He went on to say:

What sort of law are we passing here tonight? It is a law that people can disobey—as detailed by the Prime Minister and the leader of the National Party—because the police will not prosecute them. Well, the ACT party believes in law that means something. The ACT party believes in a police force whose job it is to uphold the law, not to ignore it. The Prime Minister and the leader of the National Party have said: “Don’t worry about this law. The police will ignore it, and if they don’t, we’ll change it.” That is why I say that I admire Sue Bradford and the members of the Māori Party. They have stuck to the principle of what the law is about. We have heard from Helen Clark and John Key that we should not worry about the law, because it will not be upheld. Well, I do not agree with that. I think we should pass law that is clear and that we expect to be enforced.

Now, whether one agrees or disagrees with Rodney Hide, at least he clearly articulated his reasons.

On economic issues, though, I’d be struggling to articulate National’s position on most things – and that’s a ridiculous situation for the major opposition party to find itself in (the public don’t understand its core principles).

Getting back to the topic of this thread (Margaret Wilson leaving, lest we forget), love her or hate her, at least one knows what she stands for.
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February 24, 2008 6:58am
Marknz

Why are you guys writing comments from 6am on a Sunday morning? Even my hyperactive kids don’t get up that early, least of all on a Sunday
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