Bad News and Worse News for Labour
The bad news for Labour is the Morgan poll taken from 4 to 17 February which has National’s lead grow from 9% to 19%.
The worse news is the Fairfax/Neilsen poll taken from 13 to 19 February which has National’s lead grow from 5% (in Nov) to a staggering 23%.
Key also leads Clark as Preferred PM by a huge 15% – 44% to 29%.
Also worth noting that most of the damaging Owen Glenn stuff happened after these polls concluded!
The Dom Post is saying Clark’s leadership must now be under serious scrutiny. While it will be scrutinised I do not believe there is any prospect at all of a coup before the election. Apart from her power throughout the party, Goff wouldn’t want the job at the moment. And the time for a voluntary handover has passed. There was a small chance if the polls had been this bad say all of the latter half of next year Clark may have thrown it in over Christmas, but National’s stumble in October gave them hope.
Of course things are not over – a lot can happen in nine months – but it would seem to be very much National’s election to lose. And Labour’s problem may be that voters simply are not listening to them anymore, and not listening to Helen especially.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:19 am
Oh it’s great to be alive. The Labour decline is so entertaining. What is going to happen next week?
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:22 am
the Labour Party still has ideas and policies which are worth discussion; they have handled the presentation of those policies so badly that they are being ignored. The only hope for Labour is to spend a few years in opposition and then reinvent itself.
Phil Goff for PM.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:28 am
The results are very good but I want the political destruction of the Labour Party to be permanent. I long for FPP in these circumstances but then under this system people want a change and they know they must vote National to get it, no one else is viable. Winston is too risky as a vote for him could see Labour returned to office and the same for Peter Dunne. Peters only hope is to say he will support the party with the most votes and if that is National then he will support them. And then some National support may peel off to him. May.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:29 am
they’ve had nine years to “discuss” them grant. What did we get?
Oh yes “rich pricks” “we won you lost eat that” higher taxes, more taxes, intrusive social engineering legislation, stupid legislation, dishonest legislation to try and ban opposition, corruption, a stolen election, a record number of ministers “stood down” for personal ethics and integrity issues. A ram through of legislation to abandon the Privy Council – a substantial constitutional safeguard lost. A hopelessly partisan Speaker who brings Parliament into disrepute, a senior minister who gets hauled into court on assault charges.
anything else? Oh yes, the “higher standard of transparency and accountability”. Where for $8 million i can buy a political party and possibly two.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:35 am
But the difference between Clark and her party’s support is just 3%….
There may be problems for the Labour Party but Helen Clark is not one of them.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:39 am
Wonderful news – the Glenn/Clark photos this week say it all.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:46 am
And having a referendum on the “anti-smacking” law won’t help Labour.
http://nzdebate.blogspot.com/2008/02/smacking-referendum-petition.html
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:47 am
On Glenn Owen the so called transparency of the EFA was specifically AMENDED so that Owen a NZ citizen but not tax resident could carry on giving to the Labour Party. Somehow I do not think he will be wasting much money on the Labour Party this year.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:54 am
No, this is not the wonderful news you might have us believe. Time has proven that when Helen Clark is able to exploit her ‘underdog champion of the oppressed’ card whe soes so very well. These polls are meaningless in regards to the actual election becasue peopl lie in polls, but actual votes never lie. The bedrock support for Labour Green is still substantial and unlikely to be shaken by what they will translate as ‘blips’.
The danger here is that National revert to an FPP mentality and think the election is won. It isn’t. The only way to truly win it will be to make sound deals with other parties, and use their brokering process to demand that certain individuals are not part of the deal. It is way too early for any victory dances, it will be like potshots at a rhino, and the ‘conventional wisdom’ is that a rhino is most dangerous when it is wounded.
This is why Nationals ’softly softly’ approach to the recent Owen Glenn fiaco was right on the money. Let them hang themselves.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:56 am
Lee C,
If you look across the ditch then you will see that the coalitions “bedrock” support was far higher than where the Labour/Greens “bedrock” support is now.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:57 am
the morbid fascination of this trainwreck is wondering which wheel is going to fall off first. My pick will be “sustainability” which will have to be discarded once we get the first brown-out in auckland this winter, and someone notices that the government has essentially banned the development of NZs energy infrastructure.
February 23rd, 2008 at 8:59 am
yeah Simeon, but if Helen is serious about winning this one (and I sometimes doubt it, or think she is just plain tired) she will promise ‘The Earth’ to other parties to keep her mandate, and then seek to cut Nationals deal-brokering abilities out from under it. Remember this election will hang on a measly five percent of the vote…
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:01 am
Nor wester today and lake levels have never been so low. Turn the lights out bro come winter time.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 am
At least when the lights are out gang members will be able to steal war medals a bit easier !!
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:07 am
true lee. Once the only thing is about political power, and arguably its been like that for this Government since 2004, then the price to pay is whatever it takes. Going to be an interesting ride.
the government has already bought and paid for the unions, students, and beneficiaries. It thinks it has a lock on the South Auckland PI community. Kiwisaver probably gets the elderly and worried at least thinking about labour.
Wonder which interest groups need to be bought this election. What sort of bribe works for farmers and business owners?
exemption from kyoto? tried that, didnt stick, business tax cuts, trying that, too late, too grudging, so not much traction there.
Must be time to slosh some money around big.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:13 am
The only question is, is clark still powerful enough and power crazy enough to hang on, or is she going to be replaced?
All chickens have come to roost, the baggage has built up, there’s only total renewal from this point on, and that’s only going to shorten their stay in opposition – not keep them in government.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:18 am
DPF correctly notes that Goff wouldn’t want the leaders job at the moment, in fact he’d have to be insane if he does intend to challenge! Clark has lost middle New Zealand and the media are already reporting their are mumblings going on inside Labour about Clark’s leadership but frankly I think most of them wouldn’t have the balls to vote against her in a leadership challenge anyway pre-election.
Labour has a much deeper problem than Helen Clark’s clearly failed politics and that is a complete lack of talent inside the caucus. Clayton Cosgrove seems a safe minister but has a charisma crisis, pretender Shane Jones doesn’t have the right stuff to cut it at the higher levels of politics. Long term Andrew Little looks a good prospect but he so far has astutely not taken up the opportunity to become an MP.
The single biggest issue for ex-Ministers in opposition is the need to reinvent themselves and looking at this lot that will be extremely difficult. Of these ministers I cannot see Cullen having the stomach to languish on the opposition benches and get pasted by National MP’s day after day having to defend his own arrogance time after time. The same applies to Annette King another particurly arrogant minister who is highly rated by many but not by me.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:23 am
Yes it is true Clark/Cullen are the monkey on Labour’s back and have been since the introduction of teh EFB. They can’t live with them and they can’t live withut them, at least not until after the next election. IMO Helen would have liked to ‘win’ the next one and hand power to Maharey so that she could go for theat UN job. But plainly he saw the writng on the wall and jumped ship. (gotta love the jumbled imagery) Thgis also means of course that it would have been political suicide for Helen to announce she would quit after the next one, and so to pretend she isn’t (by ommission) would be yet another act of cynicism. Why am I not suprised?
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:23 am
Hate to poop all over this party, but yes, the election is National’s to lose, and therein lies the danger for them. They don’t have any distinguishing policies. They haven’t come up with anything fresh.
Labour is going to set the agenda this year with their tax cuts and housing policies, and what are National going to do? Say “me too” like they have done ever since the Smiling Assassin took over? I don’t think that will work somehow. National need to cement this lead, but I don’t think Key has it in him. They want to cruise. Come November, Labour will be guaranteed to be in a better position than they are now, and the memory of their crimes will be more distant.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:24 am
Oh, Clark will think of something to distract the short attention span media, perhaps another door will come off a plane with Helen in it and she’ll be able to talk about how she thought she was ‘going to die’ or maybe she’ll push Fiji back into the spot light somehow etc etc.
A week is a long time in politics as the old saying goes… the rest of the year is even longer, anything can happen. Many a political corpse has arisen from the grave. Look at Winnie poo as an example. Lee C is right. National need to keep a tight ship and let labour make their own mistakes.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:26 am
Lee C,
Again look across the ditch. John Howard was serious about winning and he also promised “the Earth”. And still he didn’t win.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:27 am
yes simeon he lost because of the unions as i recall.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:27 am
I was planning on doing a wee series throughout the year entitled “Helen’s Bad Day” – but what we’ve seen this week, and especially what we’ve awoken to this morning calls for something more substantive. In deference to dave c, I’ll try and make this the only link-whore of the day DPF!!!
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/02/helens-bad-week.html
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:29 am
Hooray at last an opportunity to link-whore! thankyou thankyou thankyou simeon!
Fairfax Media are hot on the heels of the Unions in Australia. They suggest that close to $10.5 million (Aus) tipped the scales in favour of the present Australian Government, (hat tip – milo) http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/unions-spent-10m-backing-rudd-campaign/2008/02/01/1201801034920.html
Then there is the news yesterday in The Herald that the EPMU will be registering under the EFA so that it can use its political muscle during the next General Election in New Zealand. This means on top of teh cash tey will expend, they have a vast fund of labour and activity at some lucky political party’s disposal.
http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2008/02/big-money-in-new-zealand-politics.html
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:30 am
curses inventory beats me to it …. this time, my nemesis, but by crikey I’ll be back … Oh yes I will!
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:32 am
Helen’s ‘annus horribilis’? :0)
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:33 am
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February 23rd, 2008 at 9:34 am
For GhostWWNZ
NZPA
Saturday 23 February 2008, 6.17 am
GOFF DENIES COUP PLOT
Foreign Minister Phil Goff has been forced to deny that a function he is hosting at his Clevedon property on Saturday for right wing Labour MPs is a precursar to an attempt to depose Labour Party leader and Prime Minister Helen Clark.
MPs known to be attending include Annette King, Shane Jones, Clayton Cosgrove, Damien O’Connor. George Hawkins. Mark Gosche, Harry Duynhoven, Paul Swain, Charles Chauvel, Dover Samuels and Lelie Soper along with several members of Labour’s ruling Council.
The meeting comes at a time when labour is taking a pounding over the Owen Glenn PR fiasco and the release of two polls which show a substantial collapse in the Labour support and a rumoured third poll which is likely to show Labour Party vote dipping below 30%.
Mr Goff said the function had been scheduled several weeks ago and that he met regularly with colleagues as they worked to ensure a Labour victory at the forthcoming election.
“I am a loyal member of the Labour Party. Helen Clark has my total and unequivocal support while she remain leader” he said.
ends
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 am
“I’ll try and make this the only link-whore of the day DPF!!!”
insert Tui billboard here
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:38 am
“nobody is listening to Helen anymore” – well why would we? Why would we keep listening to a corrupt politician who lies to the country? The photo on front page of The DomPost says it all – a sour cow who thinks she owns us, pissed off at reality intruding on “her” egotistic dictatorship.
Instead of governing the country she has been peddling hate (National, maoris, business, family…etc) and people are sick of Herr Helen and her negative messages.
In contrast John Key is positive, constructive and showing the country that he is ready to fill our leadership vacuum, and start to clean up the mess that will be left in the wake of this corrupt regime. If Clark does decide to fight the election on “leadership” her hollow rhetoric and legacy of social chaos will ensure that National will govern alone.
Ding, dong…! (apologies in advance to our thin-skinned friend Tane).
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 am
It’s always amusing to see the odd remaining ACToid burbling on about National’s alleged failure to provide ‘new and exciting’ policy. Go read the Herald and see what the opinion polls have to say about new and exciting policy. That is precisely what John Key delivered in his opening slavo and it is that which is largely responsible for National’s rise in voter favor. Expect more of the same.
It reminds me of the street begger giving a millionare advice on how to run a business.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:42 am
Lee c – her face is bad enough.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:43 am
Ross thanks you just went straight ot ‘Quote of the Day’ on MWT. I just couldn’t help myself>>>>>>>>
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 am
“I am a loyal member of the Labour Party. Helen Clark has my total and unequivocal support while she remain leader” he said.
Oh dear!
JC
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:51 am
Lee C said “Helen’s ‘annus horribilis’? :0)”
lol! That will be the post on the morning after the night before – sometime in mid-November I expect!
Good to see you wait for someone else to link-whore as well Lee – we can’t be rude about this eh!
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 am
indeed, with that quote, its all over rover…
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:54 am
My apologies. It was the DominionPost, not The Herald.
“National is riding a wave of popularity on the back of John Key’s promise to put young criminals in boot camps and his Waitangi Day olive branch to Maori radical Tame Iti.”
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:56 am
at last helen probably realises that she is like the rest of humanity i.e. fallible.
I can’t believe that after being such an obssessive student of politics for her whole life she has fallen into one of the most obvious traps of all. Get to the top and start believing your own bullshit.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 am
Absolute power control often blinds the unstable.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:03 am
quite an inglorious end
almost (but not) feel sorry for her
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:06 am
DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR HER, feel sorry for the children that have suffered under her incompetent regime.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:17 am
I’ve been predicting that the Owen Glenn saga won’t make any difference to the polls. It is good that they are going the right way anyway, but I keep saying, doesn’t anybody else think it’s incredible, after all that Clark and Labour have DONE, that they STILL GET 30% plus of NZ-ers SUPPORTING them? Do we have THAT MANY brain-dead people or outright commies among us?
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:18 am
Anyone notice the poodle Dunne-nothings rating in the pinko Dom this morning. A big 0.
I give the poddle three months and he will jumped ship from Liarbour grips(already signalled in his press utterings this week) and elected to move on and follow personal challenges.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 am
The best thing about this is that it seems to have sent the pinko’s at the standard right over the edge.
Irish Bill and the rest of his socialist pals are in melt down mode.
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 am
Inventory says re ‘Annus Horibilis’ – lol! That will be the post on the morning after the night before – sometime in mid-November I expect!
How you plan to celebrate the election win is your own concern mate. I hope Mrs Inventory knows what to expect!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 10:47 am
Helen has the identical Howard problem without the competency.
It’s time for a complete defrag.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am
Big bruv – given that the media have done a fair job in linking Teh Standard with Labour, I reckon that the word has come down from above that dissenting comments must be limited.
The latest faux outrage against the cartoon is simply a smokescreen that attempts to justify an increase in bans and moderation. Pretty typical behaviour really, and typically hypocritical, given that Tane has accused DPF of banning dissent in the past, and that he feels free to come on here with trolling, misdirecting, and innuendo as a ‘argument’
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:00 am
The Right Honourable Helen Clark Prime Minister was boosted by the media in 1999/2000 as the only good thing about the Labour Party and government.
Like any tall poppy they created to manage/contain Labour’s left – they build them up while they serve a purpose, then they tear them down.
And it is true that when people have others massage their ego for them and welcome bring them into the establishment, they can lose their roots and principles. A similar thing happened to Roger Douglas – isolated from his own party because of the necessity of free market direction economic reform, he became reliant on support from the right and became their applause junkie.
Perhaps someone in the PM’s office might remember a message I sent pre the 2002 election. The problem with having ones mouth in the media (managing it or being managed by it and them), is that eventually one is running a race with both feet in the mouth and (possibly imagining because of hubris) expecting to win by bouncing along on the seat of ones pants.
I would also remind National what happened to a one party majority intent Labour in the subsequent 2002 election. MMP reality bit hard. It may also trim National’s wings in 2008.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 am
The message for National is be very careful with Candidate selection, remember landslide elections are notorious for bringing trashy flako`s into the camp.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:21 am
‘The Right Honourable Helen Clark Prime Minister was boosted by the media in 1999/2000 as the only good thing about the Labour Party and government.”
Look at that last photo of Helen and come here and tell us all that she is the person to lead NZ to a prosperous future.
“Used by date” comes to mind
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:22 am
Well said kehua. Do be careful National.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:25 am
Ding dong … and now aging disqualifying women from office?
No wonder women have to avoid children to have a chance in any public career.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:29 am
Ah yes the last recourse of a failed debate. It’s because she’s a girl!
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:34 am
d4j said..
“..Absolute power control often blinds the unstable..”
what’s your excuse..?..d4j..?
..for your ‘blind instability’..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:35 am
SPC
I’ve got nothing against aging women but I don’t like to see the country I love represented by a person of such sour demeure.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:37 am
So you vote on appearances rather than substance of policy and representation of the people?
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:37 am
“..landslide elections are notorious for bringing trashy flako`s into the camp..”
are you sticking your hand up..?..d4j..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 am
Nice on philu, however I will not be dragged down to your level.
SPCa, don’t play the gender victimhood sympathy card thank you !!
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:42 am
No SPC I don’t vote on appearance
But I do think that a big part of being a leader is to inspire the people you lead. Going around looking like you are addicted to lemons is not a good look.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 am
d4j
I am just waiting for another of those National party moments – remember Brash in the TV debate in 2005 (losing the election)?
Perhaps Key can reprise this comment from the 2005 campaign – tax cuts are to provide the incentive to fathers to be at work on Saturday morning, rather than be with their children at sport.
Can I sum up the gender issue.
1. She is not a normal woman, if she has no children.
2. A woman who has children, puts them before her career.
3 She has raised her children, but is now “too old” and we need change that only a younger man can bring.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 am
Lee C said “How you plan to celebrate the election win is your own concern mate. I hope Mrs Inventory knows what to expect!!”
Oi – you scumbag – rich prick!! Don’t bring my wife into the debate!! Nah, just kidding, I actually have a sense of humour, unlike the good Dr Michael “Scrooge” Cullen! I’m picking that Mrs Inventory will have either tired of politics long before election night is over, or have been bored to tears by all the hand-wringing left-wing commentators on TV trying to make sense of it all.
February 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 am
I’m sure Labor introducing a massive fund package to all beneficiaries and students 2 weeks before the elections should turn the tide.
9 years of deline, they should be wanting to step out, for NZs sake.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Can you imagine the midnight oil being burnt on the ninth floor at the moment?, how can dear leader arrest this slide in the polls?
This coming week will be an interesting one, I predict that Clark will have a change of heart over Williams offer of resignation and accept it in a blaze of publicity, H1 & H2 will hope that this finishes the OG affair once and for all.
She MUST be starting to think that the time has come to move Cullen on, he (Cullen) was once one of her aces but his recent behaviour in the house would suggest that he (in true Muldoon fashion) just does not have the answers any longer, he has become a bitter and twisted little socialist.
Of course what has been forgotten by the MSM is the Philip Field affair, when that comes to court it is going to be a steady stream of bad news and publicity for Clark and the Labour party, it would not surprise me at all if we see an early election.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
I’ll risk attracting the crazies from the myopic left…
This poll… ding dong….
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Ding dong the wicked witch… is lala ….her parachute didn’t open when she bailed out on her broomstick while lurking in the stratosphere.
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:53 pm
“Going around looking like you are addicted to lemons is not a good look.”
haha
February 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Early election/Nov election…it dosen’t really matter, Labour are toast either way. Akin to a run away freight train…heading towards oblivion.
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
No, Labour will fight back!
Helen claimed she didn’t met Glenn until 2003, then promptly forgot his name. Slap!
Mike Williams was grateful to get the the loan “then thought no more of it”. Slap again!
Women are prevented by Ngati Whatua lore from hongi-ing. Slap! Slap!
Helen leaves any meeting with Glenn to an unscripted chance encounter and Trevor makes sure even that can’t happen. It’s still February but Helen is already slapper of the year.
Party President Mike Williams tenders his resignation to Helen instead of the Party’s General Secretary, and Helen declines it instead of referring it to the Party Secretary, all of which suggests the Party Secretary may be a waste of space, and a display by all of them that their stewardship can’t match Glenn’s generosity.
But
“. . . The Labour Party will approach wealthy supporter Owen Glenn for another donation, despite the embarrassing events of the past week that have included Prime Minister Helen Clark avoiding being photographed with him.”
- http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10494090
Go, Labour, GO
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Yvette – genuine question – Can I cu and paste your last comment and post it on my blog?
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
whoops too late : http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/
February 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
The NZ Herald video yesterday of the New Zealand Prime Minister studiously avoiding greeting the guest of honour, at a ceremony opening a public building named in his honour, shows a shameful lack of diplomacy.
Such ill-mannered behaviour is unworthy of the office, and a betrayal of the respect that goes with the position.
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Go, Labour, GO AND STAY AWAY!!!
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pm
PhilBest: Do we have THAT MANY brain-dead people or outright commies among us?
No, but we have a number of people who vote for their best interests.
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
We do Pascal, thats why Clark and her corrupt govt are on their way out.
No doubt you are happy about that.
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:53 pm
You mean people who have been sucked in to believing that being dependent on the state is in their best interests…….
February 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pm
And 30% plus, is still far too much…….we need to launch a takeover of the teaching and journalism professions…….oh damn, the socialists have already thought of that first……….
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Cannot be good news in Annette King’s neck of the woods. It is getting worser and worser (Worser Bay in her electorate was named after a Harbour Board Signalman there ho would report that the weather was getting worser and worser).
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Many socialist sycophants that suck on the gummint tit will have to face reality once the clean up starts.
De programming of the severely indoctrinated with take electrodes of varying sizes and a special power plant to maintain the correction facility.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:28 pm
have you ironed your blackshirt yet..?..d4j..?
(nice crisp creases..?)
y’know..!..for..’once the clean-up starts’..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Many socialist sycophants that suck on the gummint tit will have to face reality once the clean up starts.
You tell us that you’re on a benefit Peter, that’s a gummint tit, is it not?.
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
d4j..you are (a) “socialist sycophants that suck on the gummint tit’..?
(say it isn’t so..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:54 pm
how can we ever believe anything..?..ever again..?
first the plagiarism..
now this..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
phil, you’ve got a bloody bad stutter there.
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
you and i are sorta ‘brothers-in-benefit’..eh..?
i run a news-service..called whoar.co.nz…
writing/creating/editing..every day..
14,000 + stories..
up early every morning..and all that..
what do you do all day..?
d4j..?
..apart from frothing here..going to court..
..and hanging out in bars with screws..?
(wazzup with that..!..wouldn’t the parking wardens ‘have you’..?)
but seriously….
‘brother-in-benefit’..
what do you do all day..?
just wait for your meds..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:02 pm
oh..!..i also take care of ‘the boy’..
what was it again you do all day..?
d4j..?
(not a lot..eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
AMEN
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Philu. Maybe you should get off your ass and go outside once in awhile rather than writing this dribble every day.
Your tax dollars at work people.
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Turnabout is fair play, as they say. The government stopped listening to the people a long time ago.
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Man the drugs have got a lot to answer for.
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
“..Man the drugs.. ”
ok..!
i’m on to it..!..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
or..are you blaming your meds..?
for how things have turned out..?
phil(whoar.cco.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Look it’s philu and his shadow Mr Whoar – look at them playing with each other after a bong session .
February 23rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Philu,
As much as you seem to dislike d4j’s comments, he snookers you every time when you answer with such unintelligent and pathetic rhetoric.
February 23rd, 2008 at 5:03 pm
whatever you say..!
peanut..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Adolf… You really are a mindless party stooge aren’t you? And accusing me of being an ACToid is silly. I’m a current financial member of the National Party. I want to see National do well. But I caution the folks in charge that they are not going to get there by offering the same policies as Labour. Do you really think that Labour are just going to lie down and take it? Did they do that last time? No, and no.
The point of being involved in politics, as I repeat ad nauseum, is to CHANGE THINGS. I really really want to know what Key would change. Please. Pretty please. With sugar on top. What would they change Adolf? Do tell us. I can’t figure it out.
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Blair, I’m glad you recognized yourself in my comment. The best thing you can do id go back to ACT and ensure they get 5% of he party vote. In that way you can be useful.
February 23rd, 2008 at 6:31 pm
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February 23rd, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Helen’s party polling will have reported their own poll disaster numbers ….so she’s a believer by now.
Helen will fall on her sword if this sort of polling remains for the next quarter or 5 months.
You know Cullin will be throwing very significant tax cuts at you NZ taxpayers afore 6 months are gone…..don’t you?
Not trival few hundred bucks stuff….major cuts.
February 23rd, 2008 at 9:02 pm
they must be desperate to be electioneering at a Cancer Society Relay for Life, not to mention tasteless:
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/?q=content/broken-arsed-and-raiding-our-purses-again
February 24th, 2008 at 9:05 am
For GhostWWNZ – #2
NZPA
Sunday 24 February 2008, 5.59 am
MEETING CANNED
The reported meeting between Defence Minister Phil Goff and a number of Labour MPs identified from the parties right wing has been postponed.
“It would send the wrong message” Mr Goff said.
The last few days has seen the release of two opinion polls showing the gap between National and Labour has widened to between 19% and 23% and a rumoured third poll which has Labour support dipping below 30%.
While is is doubted that Mr Goff has the numbers to mount a serious challenge to Helen Clark there is increasing disquiet among Labour Party activists over their ability to reach out to the voting public. “No matter what we say, they’re just not listening. It’s as if they have made up their minds already”.
ends