Hansard Quotes

March 5th, 2008 at 9:11 am by David Farrar

Some quotes from Hansard relating to yesterday’s question time in the House:

Hon : Is the Minister aware of the email that shows that chief executive instructed staff to send draft tender documents to Mr Hausmann—who had indicated he would be a bidder—some weeks before the tender process opened, and before any other bidder saw the documents; and is this acceptable behaviour?

Surely this is a joke. No CEO would have draft tender documents sent weeks early to a potential bidder, and even more so if they are on your Board.

Hon Tony Ryall: Is he aware of this email that shows that Mr Hausmann, appointed by the Labour Government, having received this confidential draft tender document, proposed changes that would benefit his company, and is that what he would expect of someone being appointed to the board of that very district health board?

If I got inside information on a government tender, I wouldn’t suggest changes to it. I’d delete it unread.

Hon Tony Ryall: Is he aware from this email that the chief executive agreed to alter the tender documents in precisely the terms proposed by Mr Hausmann, at a time when no other bidder had such access, and is that a proper and ethical process?

Now Tony must be kidding again. Surely no CEO would actually let the party planning to put in a bid for the tender, rewrite the tender document to better suit them.

Hon Tony Ryall: Is he aware that the final document that went out to all tenderers incorporated the changes proposed by Mr Hausmann, whose company was the eventual successful party, and does he think that all potential bidders were fairly treated equally in this process?

Maybe he isn’t kidding.

Hon Tony Ryall: I seek leave to table the emails and documents mentioned in my questions.

Leave granted.

Well if the e-mails have been tabled, I guess we can judge for ourselves if Tony was just making this up or these e-mails do actually show what is claimed.

But wait that isn’t all. In the next question, we learn that these harmless e-mails (move on move on nothing to see here – read the official report when we are happy with it) may not quite have been voluntarily handed over the the inquiry team:

Hon Tony Ryall: Is the Minister aware that the material revealing secret emails between Hausmann and the executive, in which Hausmann changed the tender documents to his advantage, was withheld from the inquiry by both parties and came to light only after independent forensic analysis in London of the back-up tapes; and what does that say about the balance of truth in this inquiry?

Now this must be incorrect. Surely a DHB with obligations under the Official Information Act wouldn’t simply delete embarrassing e-mails.

Hon Tony Ryall: Would the Minister have confidence in the chief executive of the Hawke’s Bay District Health Board if it was confirmed to him that this information was withheld and came to light only because of specialised forensic analysis in Britain of the back-up tapes, which were mysteriously damaged?

The back-up tapes were damaged? What an unfortunate coincidence. Please do not connect the dots. The dots have nothing to do with each other.

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49 Responses to “Hansard Quotes”

  1. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    ryall was essentially doing what key should have/was/is incapable of..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  2. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    Calling Nicky – Nicky Hager, Hello anyone home?

    You seem to have missed a few secret emails.

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  3. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    phil – it’s a bit early in the morning to be so befuddled…Ryall = health spokesman, Key = party leader.

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  4. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    Buggerlugs
    Phil probably had some good hydroponically grown tips last night and is still feeling the effects.

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  5. francis (712 comments) says:

    you can watch both of the Ryall-Cunliffe exchanges on YouTube: http://youtube.com/nationalparty

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  6. slightlyrighty (2,472 comments) says:

    This is the exchange as Hansard reported it.

    Hon Tony Ryall: Why was the Minister happy to release material from Mr Hausmann and Mr Clarke in an attempt to mislead the public, when Mr Hausmann and Mr Clarke had their collusion exposed only by forensic computer analysis?

    Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE: That question is so full of allegations as to be almost impossible to answer, but let me do my best. I took advice as to the proper process in respect of the public disclosure of both submissions tendered to me in terms of my public request. I acted upon that advice by making both submissions public. I note that both the parties that made submissions are likely to be the subject of the Director-General’s draft report.

    As I recall, Cunliffe’s last sentence in his reply was a little different. What he said initially was along the lines of “I note that both the parties that made submissions are the subject of the Director-General’s draft report.” He quickly changed his reply to what now appears in Hansard.

    Was it a simple gaffe, or has he actually seen the report, contrary to his statements in Parliament yesterday? This slip was made after Bill English had raised his point of order expressing concern at the contrdictory nature of Cunliffe’s statements to the house.

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  7. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    Yet again the labour party get caught helping the 3 F’s.
    Friends, Family and fellow Travellers have feasted at the trough of labour party largesse for nearly decade.
    When is it our turn?

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  8. Inventory2 (10,301 comments) says:

    DPF – the full transcript of both Q3 & Q6 are posted on Keeping Stock – I’d urge people to read them and draw their own conclusions.

    However, Ryall’s last supplementary question on Q6 deserves a better answer than Cunliffe gave – here ’tis:

    “Hon Tony Ryall: Can the Minister confirm that his commissioner has terminated the legal action of the previous board that was seeking to ensure all information was made available, and can we take it that this is yet another step in the Government’s plan to cover up the stench that has been involved here?

    Hon DAVID CUNLIFFE: I am glad the member has asked that question, because it gives me the opportunity to reiterate that my sole motivation here is to ensure the sustainable delivery of health services to the people of Hawke’s Bay. Regardless of whomever the Director-General’s review proves to be right and wrong, my concern is that the people of Hawke’s Bay are not the casualties of the unholy mess that has surrounded this dysfunctional board.”

    Why would the commissioner’s first action on taking charge (or should we say “running this show”!!) be to shut down the sole legal remedy the sacked Board had to preserve its reputation and integrity?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/

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  9. tim barclay (886 comments) says:

    Look there is nothing to see here move on please.The real real story is John Key hedging himself on overseas investment. Move along on this one.

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  10. Inventory2 (10,301 comments) says:

    Phil – unlike Labour, where Clark and Cullen are really Ministers of Absolutely Everything, National actually allows its shadow ministers to lead off debates.

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  11. slightlyrighty (2,472 comments) says:

    Tim, what do you mean there is nothing to see here. Can you not connect the dots?

    King appoints Hausmann over objections of board, Hausemann alters tender documents to suit his company, Hausemanns company wins tender for $50 mil. Hausemann hires King’s husband. Board becomes “dysfunctional”, Cunliffe sacks board even though it is operating within acceptable financial guidelines. Report generated. emails missing. whitewash applied.

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  12. Ross Miller (1,700 comments) says:

    Slightlyrightly … I suspect Tim has his tongue firmly in his cheek.

    I futher suspect that this has the potential to bring the Govt down.

    It certainly has scuppered completely Labour Party hopes for the East Coast.

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  13. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    buggerlugs..

    aside from the fact he is incapable of ‘doing the job’..

    shouldn’t a party leader seeking election/profile..

    lead the ‘attack’..?

    (just wondering..)

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  14. KevOB (267 comments) says:

    Your’e a bit out of touch with commercial reality. Prized tenders are often discussed or reviewed by interested parties privately before release and modified to suit the preferred bidder. The mechanism is simple and secretive: a polite phone call to discuss with someone capable of doing the job what the requirements should be. This can be followed up with a draft for perusal in confirmation. I have seen this in action; others may grumble that a particular bidder got the contract, but that was expected, as it matched the winning firms profile very precisely. The other bidders all knew that, when they saw the documents and hoped it would be their turn next time, or didn’t really expect it, because the contract would have embarrassed them and their bids were only needed as a formality to make up the numbers., in which case bidding was an expensive necessary nuisance.

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  15. paulhelen (99 comments) says:

    Everyone is still missing the real point in all this. Why did King appoint Hausman? Clearly there was a potential conflict of interest even before he was appointed which King knew about, remember King knew that Hausman’s compnay would be bidding for this $50 million contract but still appointed him. King and her department were incapable of finding anyone else to fill that board position? No one else in the whole country was able to do this but Mr Hausman, the man who was bidding for the $50 million contract? Spare me folks. The board and the Health Ministry advised that there was a clear potential conflict in appointing Hausman but he was still appointed. He was the only man for the job because…………he was the only man who was bidding for a $50 million contract. When all this came out in the open Ray Lind goes to work for Hausman.
    Forget the emails start asking who put Hausman up for the job, King doesm’t make those decisions herself so who did?

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  16. PaulL (5,971 comments) says:

    KevOB: not in the government sector they aren’t. In the private sector people can do what they like – and many companies don’t go to tender at all, which is a far more honest way to do things if you’re only going through the motions. In the government sector it is a hard and fast rule that you have to go to tender unless you can demonstrate that there is only one potential vendor who would be selected, and in that case there are mechanisms to use sole source arrangements (and you have to demonstrate value for money in another way).

    If you choose to not use the sole source provisions it means that you believe you could not support the necessary proof that a sole source is appropriate. If you then gerry mander the tender such that only one company can win you are corrupt.

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  17. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Whaleoil also makes the point that it was considered impossible for Madeleine Setchell to manage a conflict of interest (when no true conflict actually or should not have existed if the Public Service was politically neutral), yet Hausman’s appointment was made in full knowledge of an impending massive financial conflict with the (hollow) claim that it was manageable.

    A Tui’s moment if ever there was one

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  18. damocles (83 comments) says:

    Are the tabled emails available anywhere on the web?

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  19. 3-coil (1,215 comments) says:

    philu (9:24) – you are sharp as a razor this morning, are you fishing for a job as National Party strategist? What are your other bright ideas about how JK could raise his profile, so the rest of the country might be enlightened by knowing who this John Key character (leading the preferred PM poll by umpteen %) is?

    I didn’t know you cared!

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  20. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    if you want to know ‘who this john key character is’..

    watch his (lamentable) performances in parliament..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  21. 3-coil (1,215 comments) says:

    philly – you were so helpful earlier, now you are bagging JK. Your career as a strategist will be very short with that sort of schizophrenic advice.

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  22. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    DPF You may recall a few days ago I commented that I would love to see what was in the CEOs safe as regards the tenders and contract.

    I was at the time only half joking but it seems that my assumption was correct

    Nothing like an old time auditors nose to sniff out the bad stuff

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  23. Mark (496 comments) says:

    You really got to wonder if there was some else was going behind the scenes with this whole contract.

    I would really like a jouranlist to investigate who benefited from the arrangement and check to see if the company donates to the Labour Party.

    This seems like an corrupt practice courtsy of the Labour party. Same old theme.

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  24. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    KevOB that may be the case in some companies but over the past 35 years I worked in some very large NZ companies and much larger overseas companies and in every case they had strict protocols around tenders and contracts.

    Its not all late night smoked filled rooms.

    In fact especially when dealing with government contractts both in NZ and internatioanlly Ive been part of a very very strict process around good governance principles.

    Its simple Good governance is good business for the long term Bad governance is good business for the short term

    As the Socialists are now finding out.

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  25. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    this is the end of the ‘indian summer’ for key..

    the scrutiny he faced over the airport (non)-deal..is only the beginning..

    and he/national will look back at these times/ratings..

    as ‘the best it got’..

    basically..key needed to study/toughen-up over the christmas break..

    he has failed to do this…

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  26. paulhelen (99 comments) says:

    All this crap about contracts and emails occured because of one decision: Annette King appointed Hausman to the board.
    Lind was COO at the time and the emails suggest that the CEO, Clark was conversing with Hausman prior to his appointment. Clearly Clark and Lind would be working close together as COO and CEO. So my question remains unanswered: Why out of all the people In New Zealand was Hausman selected by King as the man to sit on the board when she knew the conflicts existed? Answer: Because although King knew the conflict existed and so did the CEO and the COO we, joe public didn’t so in when King said it could be managed what she meant was we can keep it secret.

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  27. paulhelen (99 comments) says:

    I would suggest Ryall has more emails to throw at Labour today. It would be unusual to throw everything they’ve got in one session. King’s denial and saying it’s hurting her family are a smokescreen. She created this situation.

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  28. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    paulhelen: King’s denial and saying it’s hurting her family are a smokescreen. She created this situation.

    Indeed. Labour use the “family” excuse everytime they are caught with their hands in the cookie jar. It’s high time that this corrupt pack of liars are exposed for what they are.

    Pro-tip: Don’t do bad, corrupt things and people won’t call you on it.

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  29. bwakile (757 comments) says:

    Gee Philu
    you really are scrapping the bottom of the bong today.
    Have a day off, you need a break.

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  30. paulhelen (99 comments) says:

    If the enquiry did not see the “emails” then it should not be published as is because clearly it is missing vital information. If the enquiry team had anything about them they would seek to have this information given to them and rethink their conclusions. The AG should step in now.

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  31. Whaleoil (767 comments) says:

    Hausmann emails.

    http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/?q=node/6123

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  32. kiwi in america (2,428 comments) says:

    philu
    I guess Key’s lack of study and not toughening up over Christmas as you suggest has rendered him so utterly devoid of political nous that he and his party are now paying the price by trailing Labour by …. no wait – actually its Labour and Clark now trailing National – by almost 20 points – in poll after poll – and each month it seems to get worse not better. Try a new drug – the current one is degrading your reasoning capabilities.

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  33. Right of way is Way of Right (1,121 comments) says:

    Philu, your grip on reality is lessening by the day. Would you rather John Key shoots from the hip and acts precipitously, or wait until he gets the full story and goes from there. It is, after all, his area of expertese, and he made rather a lot of money doing it.

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  34. Frank. (607 comments) says:

    Whaleoil: “Hausmann emails”

    Congratulations: Could be termed “prima facie”.

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  35. paulhelen (99 comments) says:

    Once again the emails only confirm what we already know. What we don’t know is who put Hausman up to Annette King?
    Sje sais she knew him proffessionaly. From where and when?

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  36. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    SFO and AG need to get those named in the emails and give them what I call an intensive session of creative questioning.

    What did they know When did they know it Why didnt they utilise the provisions of the PD Act 1999

    Answers now

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  37. 3-coil (1,215 comments) says:

    We know how the Labour Party like to publicise everybody else’s emails, I’m sure they will be delighted that these emails are receiving a bit of daylight too.

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  38. burt (8,239 comments) says:

    Where are generation-xy when you need them.

    Wanker of the week

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  39. Socrates (84 comments) says:

    Another interesting questions and answers coming up:
    1 “Hon TONY RYALL to the Minister of Health: Does he expect the health sector to follow the Auditor-General’s procurement guidelines that advise that a public entity should “ensure that any information given to one tenderer that could significantly affect its understanding of the procurement is also conveyed to all other tenderers”, and “treat all tenderers in a fair and equitable manner”; and is he satisfied that all tenderers were treated fairly in the community services contract at the Hawke’s Bay District Health Board?”
    3 “Hon TONY RYALL to the Minister of Health: Was the Minister of Health briefed on a proposed community services joint venture between the Hawke’s Bay District Health Board and Healthcare New Zealand before the 2005 election; if so, when?”
    5 “Dr JONATHAN COLEMAN to the Minister of Health: What is the threshold that he sets himself for intervening in the governance arrangements of a district health board?”
    10 “RUSSELL FAIRBROTHER to the Minister of Health: What reports has he received on governance issues at the Hawke’s Bay District Health Board?”

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  40. PhilBest (5,121 comments) says:

    Archtypical Liarbour voter: “wot’s Hansard?”
    “wot’s governance?”

    The Plods, if they were looking into this:”move along, nothing to see here……”

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  41. Frank. (607 comments) says:

    I find it strange that despite intensive grilling in the House yesterday, HON DAVID CUNLIFFE still appears to have not made himself conversant with the emails etc that are pertinet to the questions he is being confronted with.

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  42. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    When the Plods take control of the old SFO in I think a couple of months NZ will be a fraud and corruption paradise. There will be no investigation no matter how big the crime.

    The Securities Commission and Commerce Commission will be the last defence and whilst Paula at the CC has done a good job in her cartel busting the fragrant Jane has been a total disapointement in busting Co Directors .

    If Jane cant get points on the board with the finance company and related company collapses then we might as well wind up the SC and let the market go for it like back in the mid 80s.

    I mean how big a target do you need to aim at.

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  43. baxter (893 comments) says:

    GD…I agree their does seem to be corruption here as deep seated and all encompassing as that swirling about the Immigration Department during the Oconner/Taito era. I think the SFO has been disbanded maybe to avoid an investigation. The Police are accountable to their Minister who is also the Minister of Justice, and maybe the only whiteskinned female in the Liabor Party who is clearly not a queen.

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  44. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    This whole thing smells like my shitponds. I quess this is the government Dear Leader promised us all those years ago, as I remember words like high standards and accountablity were to be the Liarbore’s partys gift to NewZealand. Instead we seem to be stuck with no standards and no one with the abbility to count unless it benefits the ruling elite.

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  45. paulhelen (99 comments) says:

    David: Clearly the MSM in terms of TVNZ or TV3 or Close Up or Campbell live are not going anywhere near the Hawkes Bay stuff; Why are they so afraid of it? Are they being warned off or threatened with legal action by lawyers representing those involved in this. Duncan Garner has for the last two nights just dealt with the attacks on Key and issues around the airport and Maori claims whilst totally ignoring the DHB issue. It all seems contrived to me. Any opinions?

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  46. Fred (163 comments) says:

    PaulHelen, agreed, last night TV1 had an item which lead “a bad week for Key” and my first reaction was “what the . . .”. Quite clearly strings are being pulled. Key didn’t really do himself any favours on Morning report today re- the airport, got trapped but finished well. He should have come out guns blazing about the investment uncertainty, destroying shareholder value etc. It surprises me that the MSM appear to be toeing the line on the DHB scandal.

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  47. Frank. (607 comments) says:

    The Media are like the heated bits of heated aluminium foil released by a hostile plane when it is targeted by a heat seeking missile. Key unfortunately seems to divert these heat seeking missiles as well, thus undoing the good work performed by his colleagues. This is incompetence. Perhaps he still thinks he is Leader of the Labour Party?

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  48. nzjourno (1 comment) says:

    At least one media organisation covering this are facing legal action.

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