How many Labour MPs are fleeing overseas
March 6th, 2008 at 8:46 am by David FarrarI blogged yesterday about how Dover Samuels was heading overseas once he leaves Parliament. Now I have been reminded that Marian Hobbs is off to the UK to teach, once she is off. And it is widely rumoured Tim Barnett will also be heading to the UK.
So with around 12 Labour MPs retiring, as many as 25% of them will be fleeing NZ. Is it any surprise so many other NZers are doing the same?
Related posts:
- The exodus grows
- Wilson and Barnett to go?
- The next Labour Leader
- Labour MP lashes out at political corectness
March 6th, 2008 at 8:54 am
I can think of a few more that might like to join them……
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 8:58 am
So is this out of the ordinary ? Do politicians normally bugger off overseas once they have finished fucking up the country for the rest of us ?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Good to know where they are going so I can avoid those places…
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Clark will be off soon after the election as well – of course that cannot be announced until after the election.
I wonder if a few “senior” but soon to be unemployed Labour MPs take the easy option and appoint themselves a position with Foreign Affairs before the election?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 9:15 am
So much for believing and living under the laws you excpect others to live by. These people are as hollow as the idots that remain. I wish the whole lot of these tossers would fuck off, the country would be a much better place without them.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Sinking, rats, fleeing, ship.
Just words.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Just a wee reminder to Tim Barnett. When my case is finally taken on board by the appropriate authorities in due course I’ll think you’ll find that your hiding away in the UK will not protect you from various investigative matters that need closure. You should not have contacted solicitors involved in my case, as now one is a District Court judge. Tim, as I have told you many times before I am going to crush you in a Law Court one day. Is the evidence I have against you the reason why your house is on the market? You are a disgrace to New Zealand Tim Barnett and I will make you accountable whether you are in the UK or not? Remember the SPINZ suicide conference debacle and the green room debauchery! Your deceitful nature is going to bite you real hard soon.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 9:54 am
No surprise – they are so incomptent no one would employ them in NZ.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Can I suggest Aropax, Dad?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Brownie – remember what happened to poor Nick Smith when he got involved in a family court case?
Vote:Haha drop kick. Serious trouble for Tim the dim.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Aropax, is that better than the medication that D4J is presently on because whatever it is, it is seriously not working.
Vote:D4J you really need to get a grip. You are seriously starting to become a menace to society.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:12 am
Dalley your demented brain is the menace to society, you cowardly communist slime ball !!
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 10:19 am
“vote4megration”
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Dad, being male and having come up against the family court system and it’s gender bias, I know how you feel. It’s your methods and execution that I sometimes wonder about, Dad.
Extremism of the kind you seem to promote does no one any good and ascribes credit to no one. Perhaps (and this is just a suggestion) if you moderated your rhetoric, even though sometimes it is very amusing, learnt a measure of self control (i.e. swallowed a deaad rat every now and then to acheive your aims), people would be more sympathetic to what you say – NOT focusing on how you say it.
Or not.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Brownie go take some nutbar pills yourself creep!!
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 10:24 am
In fairness to Marian, she is obviously passionate about teaching, and while she could easily retire on her Parliamentary pension, she obviously does not want to let the grass grow under her feet. However, she does not think it appropriate to teach in NZ following a Parliamentary career which is her main reason to head overseas. Although I think her Parliamentary career was mediocre I would wish her all the best in her new endeavours and I would think that any school she goes to would be fortunate in having a very gifted teacher on staff.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Like Murray says- rats fleeing a sinking ship. The galling part is that these same rats have spent their lives gnawing the very holes in the ship that are the cause of its sinking. Spreading the global poison of socialism, they and their ilk won’t be content until they’ve stuffed every country in the western bloc. Where will they scuttle off to then??
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 10:31 am
“any school she goes to would be fortunate in having a very gifted teacher on staff.”
Thanks for that opinion. I have an alternative view. Mainly that people like Marion Hobbs, who endorse schooling as a means of indoctrinating children, and inducting them into a left wing political/ social paradigm, have ruined the education system, and as a result almost ruined the country, and should never ever be allowed within a light year of a school or any educational facility for that matter.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Our education system, our health system, our justice system = all stuffed by foolish socialist scumbags !!!
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Hey Dalley the “take your medication” comment was gutless shit flinging from an MP.
From you its just shit flinging more shit.
Join the great rat migration of 08 and piss off.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 11:09 am
I have to agree with many of the sentiments above. My understanding is that Tim Barnett was (is?) a member of the homosexual advocacy group Stonewall. He came to New Zealand explicitly to advance the gay agenda. Having succeeded in undermining New Zealand’s morals with the Prostitution Reform Act and the Civil Unions Act his work is now done.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 11:41 am
D4J Whilst I know there are always at least 3 sides to every story and I dont know all these in your case as an observer of many years I just thank my God that I was never ever involved in the appalling unjust corrupt and baised thing that is called the Family Court
How any lawyer with a conscience good morals and ethics could invlove them selves in such a evil construct is totally beyond me.
It must be for the 30 pieces of silver.
And yes Ive heard the stories about Barnett and the 30 year programme that Clark and her fellow members of the Princes St Branch set out to achieve in the late 60s and early 70s.Alas it seems the devil has assisted them to do their work.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Yes DPF – it’s a globalised world. Both capital and labor are much more mobile than they were 20 years ago. As you well know, more skilled workers are entering NZ each year than are leaving. The fact that we have skill shortages in some areas of the labour market is simply a result of that market being tight. Your response?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 11:50 am
“And yes Ive heard the stories about Barnett and the 30 year programme that Clark and her fellow members of the Princes St Branch set out to achieve in the late 60s and early 70s.Alas it seems the devil has assisted them to do their work.”
Is there documented evidence of this urban legend, if so where can I find it on the net ? Or is this in the “Hey Ma, I just saw Elvis at the drugstore” territory?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Only 25%? Any chance the other 75% could pack up and piss off as well?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Tim Barnett is likely heading back to the UK to help “Stonewall” with their campaign for same sex couples parenting.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Murray – If your refering to the comment about Nick Smith, i couldn’t agree more. It was un-called for at the time along.
Vote:Along with several other attacks including the Muldoon one on Colin Moyle (i think Moyle) they where completely out of place and designed to inflict maximum political harm.
When it comes to the less than veiled treats from D4J as above, i take extreme exception to it especially after the Homophobic ranting on yesterdays post the DPF eventually closed. I don’t know D4J from a bar of soap but i take strong exception to those sorts of unveiled threats and if he cannot take the shit that he flings around Kiwiblog, then tough shit he gets no simpathy from me.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Redbaiter says
“Thanks for that opinion. I have an alternative view. Mainly that people like Marion Hobbs, who endorse schooling as a means of indoctrinating children, and inducting them into a left wing political/ social paradigm, have ruined the education system, and as a result almost ruined the country, and should never ever be allowed within a light year of a school or any educational facility for that matter.”
and you give him ‘good karma’
you’re all idiots or biased
take your pick
Look Reddie
Vote:if you think that the schooling system is full of left-wing people who just want to brainwash kids then you are just plainly socially inept.
heres a challange to you and all the people who are right-wing and think that there is a left-wing bias amongst teachers
BECOME TEACHERS YOURSELVES
you go on and on about personal reaponsibility blah de blah de blah
take some personal responsibility yourself and do your part to balance the left-wing bias that you complain about so much
here you go
http://www.teachnz.govt.nz
March 6th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
John Dalley what is your real name? Got any balls boyo?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Shrivelly
Vote:The left spend huge amounts of effort to buy the minds of the young.
No better example than the feminist geography questions in NCEA.
Unfortunately it is not that simple.
Thankfully many young people still like using their brains
50% 18-24 year olds support National
As I told my son
Politics is simple
“Never vote Labour”
March 6th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Is there documented evidence of this urban legend, if so where can I find it on the net ? Or is this in the “Hey Ma, I just saw Elvis at the drugstore” territory?
http://www.knittingcircle.org.uk/stonewallgroup.html
“A meeting between PM John Major and Actor Ian McKellen of the Stonewall Group has fuelled speculation that the Tory leader may be prepared to signal a dramatic shift in Conservative party policy on lesbian and gay issues. Stonewall’s executive director, Tim Barnett, confirmed that the meeting was scheduled to cover a wide range of topics, including ‘discrimination, the criminal law, the armed forces and other related issues’.”, John Marshall and Colin Richardson, in Gay Times, October, 1991.
It is outrageous that someone comes here temporarily from another country with the objective changing the laws in this country and goes back home when they have achieved their agenda. Anyone who maintains that a person membership in such an international lobby group has no bearing on how they do their job as an MP is living on another planet.
This queer friendly government is responsible for Barnett getting into Parliament. As least if he gets AIDS he will not be a burden ion the NZ health system.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
How dare they move overseas when they retire? Don’t they know they are our property?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
quite a ‘sick’..old man..
aren’t you chucky..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Bwakile
If thats the best example you have then you haven’t sold your arguement.
If the question had asked you to look at it through the eyes of a capatilist or a socialist would there be a problem?
as for 50% of 18-24 year olds support National…..Where did you get that stat from. If Roger Nome stated a number without a reference you wouldn’t accept it. So back it up.
Vote:Its good to see that you are letting your son make up his own mind then with your “Never vote Labour”.
Noooooo, thats not influencing the minds of the young.
March 6th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Yeah we wish the queers would all HURRY UP AND get AIDS and die, don’t we Chuck?
You utter cunt!!!
[DPF: And that is 35 demerits]
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
“Noooooo, thats not influencing the minds of the young.”
He’s a parent, not a damn government stooge in a government brainwashing camp. Leave our children alone. Teach them on traditional educational issues, but keep your damn left wing social engineering agenda out of it.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
“…any school she goes to would be fortunate in having a very gifted teacher on staff.”
I have only ever met one former student of hers: the holocaust denier, Dr Joel Hayward.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Short shrivelled- teaching’s a shitty job, you’d have to be either desperate or stupid to choose it for a career these days. I think that’s the problem here, smart people don’t become teachers anymore. That leaves the dumber graduates for teaching, who are inevitably lefties.
There’s simply no reason for anyone to go teaching to ‘correct the balance’. To balance out the effect of the moronic pinko teachers, smart right-leaing people simply take a role in teaching their kids at home. It’s not difficult to debunk leftist thought, even kids get it when it’s explained to them, except for the really dumb ones which eventually go on to become teachers (or academics) themselves.
It’s a beautiful cycle.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
“Yeah we wish the queers would all HURRY UP AND get AIDS and die, don’t we Chuck?”
That isn’t what he said. False accusations and hate mongering. From Stalin to Castro, always the ready resort of the left.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Sheesh, why are all the threads denigrating into homo bashing these days? Chill out guys.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
yeah and my evil is RIGHT UP THERE with Stalin & Castro…
Bwuaah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
because so many righties are homophobes..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/story.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10495722
My son is smart enough to make his own mind up
Vote:I’m just ensuring he is aware that somethings in this world is not always as they seem.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
yeah and my evil is RIGHT UP THERE with Stalin & Castro…
PRM, you can be quite astute at times
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
The far left socialist-homosexual agenda has been outed and that’s why Barnett is fleeing for cover.
The Labour government is toast with what they’ve pushed through against the will of NZ already, so Barnett is heading back to the UK to see if the pickings are better up there.
Meanwhile National better take note of the public sentiment regarding the raft of unpopular legislation, including the anti-smacking bill that National MPs voted for.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
“because so many righties are homophobes..”
Definition of “…….phobe” (use any prefix you like that accords with trendy social liberal doctrine)
Anyone who doesn’t suck up the feeble politically correct left wing propaganda that is shoved down our throats by pseudo educators, pseudo journalists, social liberals and post modernists. Anyone with a mind of their own. Anyone able to think for themselves. Anyone who is not a lemming, or a white bait. Anyone who challenges leftist doctrine.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
“why are all the threads denigrating into homo bashing these days?”
Exactly. And on a related note – had any luck pulling whale oil yet? I know you think he’s out of your league, but seriously, you should rethink that. Unless you’ve been dipped in a vat of battery acid, and given your very similar political views, and approach to political debate, I reckon you’re in with a chance. Go on, have a little self-belief boy. You only live once!
[DPF: And 20 demerits for that]
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
This from Barnett in 2001;
1. “We will not have a queer –friendly government forever.”
2. “and we have the luxury of being full time stirrers.”
3. “As queer politicians our mission is to deliver equal rights under the law and ensure that the Government machine is working for our community.”
In 2002
4. “Peter, Labour will not help fathers”
I say this to the voter, that this creep was the Chairman of the Select Committee that laughed at my submission regarding the Care of Children Bill. He has finished his agenda and now will scuttle back to the UK. Christchurch is a mess because of this twisted politician and Brendan Burns will face the severe backlash come election time.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Because so many lefties are drug fucked wrecks.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Bwakile
couldnt see anything in that article to do with the 18-24 age group??
Redbaiter
what happened to you to make you so messed-up? war?
Helmet
Vote:saying that all teachers are ‘dumb’ just makes you look foolish.
Just like any part of society, teachers range from moderately dumb (but still smart enough to pass the course) to very intellegent
Most teachers I have met just love to work with children. That’s just what they want to do.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Short
Vote:You need to go to the graphics
Then click the arrows to get to the right page
sorry I’m not tech enough to get you there in one hit
March 6th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Give me one example of this “propaganda” that has been “shoved down [your] throat” (i.e. one that you haven’t feverishly sought out), Redbaiter.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Nome said- “Exactly. And on a related note – had any luck pulling whale oil yet?”
Not very mature Roger. I’d say that deserves more demerits for trolling.
I’m genuinely shocked that many commenters here are being so childish about homosexuals. Time to get over it guys. Homos are here to stay.
Short shrivelled- it’s a generalisation, but most teachers I’ve met are dumb. Sure, some are smarter than others, but as a rule I don’t expect much from schoolteachers. You do not have to be smart to pass the course. My observation is that whatever their motivation for doing teaching in the first place, the smart ones get out of it before too long. If you’re a teacher I’m sorry for the offence.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
The example you seek is the very issue that particular post was written in response to. Stop wasting my time with your dull brained unintelligence.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
helmet I object to homosexual activists in government hijacking events like the 2005 SPINZ suicide conference in Christchurch.
Vote:Queers are part of a sick society and I will not judge them, as that is not my job. However, I do not think it appropriate for their minority ideologues to over take majority issues. Male suicide is not just restricted to troubled homosexuals !~!
March 6th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
murray
March 6th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Because so many lefties are drug fucked wrecks..”
had a hangover lately..?
drug-fuelled wreck..!..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
D4J:
“Queers are part of a sick society and I will not judge them, as that is not my job.”
Oh dear.
Helmet:
“I’m genuinely shocked that many commenters here are being so childish about homosexuals.”
As am I Helmet, as am I. Though I do think that your judgment with regard to me is misplaced. You often complain about your, well how can I put this delicately, lackluster sex life. I merely suggested that you be more confident in seeking out potential partners. You don’t know if you don’t try after all!
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
“helmet I object to homosexual activists in government hijacking events like the 2005 SPINZ suicide conference in Christchurch.”
I know some lesbian women who attended that conference and heard about that incident. To my mind their claims were legitimate. Gay people do have a much higher suicide rate than straight people in NZ. Disturbingly so.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
rogered gnomer, do you think that the munted New Zealand society is something to be proud of ?
Vote:How is your friend?
March 6th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
“do you think that the munted New Zealand society is something to be proud of ?”
I was commenting on the obvious contradiction in that sentence dad…
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
“Gay people do have a much higher suicide rate than straight people in NZ. Disturbingly so.”
More bullshit Mason you septic slime ball !!
[DPF: 10 demerits. Cite some evidence to rebut - don't name call]
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
The socialist-homosexual agenda has been an unholy alliance of childless ideologues – “full time stirrers” and “queer cabinet ministers” “proud to be there” – who having no children of their own, have been seeking to use the public political process – “the government machine working for our communities” – to advance their agenda of indoctrinating other peoples children “…counselling and…..inclusion in school curriculum’s…” with their deviant philosophies.
They’ve been outed, they’re on the ropes, and they’re running for cover.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Now they have been outed it is up to people with mettle and honour to hammer the bastards into the dirt ( metaphorically speaking -of course) Forget made in NZ wimps like PC Key and co. to help !!
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Seems as if there’s a lot of chest thumping and not a whole lot of thinking. And some very disturbed people in this thread.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
D4J, I didn’t hear about the suicide conference, so can’t offer anything there. Sorry to hear it was ruined for you though.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Dad – I couldn’t find a specific statistic for NZ – but in the US studies have been done…
http://gaylife.about.com/od/gayteens/a/gaysuicide.htm
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
rogered gnomer I am not interested in US stats and this is my last comment on this thread which has gone way off topic.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Bwakile
Thanks, I will look at it later
Helmet
Vote:I’m not a teacher
Ironically, I took a year of teachers college after my first degree but didnt go back for the final year cos I couldnt be bothered.
March 6th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Helen Clark in her own words:
“I was terribly shy, because of the lack of contact with other children. There were no others in the area and when I went to primary school I developed a lot of psychosomatic illnesses from having to mix with other kids.
“I had a very narrow social experience. There are still [as of 1984] whole slices of New Zealand I’ve never been in contact with and don’t feel at ease with. Like the business community. I’ve never had much to do with middle class urban New Zealand.”
“I felt really compromised. I think legal marriage is unnecessary and I would not have formalised the relationship [with husband Peter Davis] except for going into Parliament. I have always railed against it privately.”
“I’ve never had any intention of having a child. I definitely see children as destroying my lifestyle. It’s inconceivable that I would become pregnant. I realise my attitude is unusual, but I have other interests which crowd out everything else, and I think I’d go around the bend if my small amount of spare time was taken up by children.
“I was able to develop as a professional person with no breaks in career…I wasn’t caught in the trap of the young bride who seems to stop maturing when her kids are born.”
“I remember being greatly influenced by Kate Millett’s Sexual Politics and Germaine Greer’s The Female Eunuch when I was about 20.
“Men in particular lose control entirely. They scream and shout and are personally abusive. It’s really quite extraordinary. I never scream and shout, that’s not my nature.”
“I thought a lot about racism and joined Trevor Richards’ Halt All Racist Tours committee. During those years I had a sense of finding my identity through being politicised.”
“There are colleagues to whom I rarely speak, like Roger Douglas, and it’s mutual. What could we say to each other? There are years of very sharp differences of opinion.
“Roger’s very intense, and sexist.
“The team which promoted Lange to power is incredibly sexist and I don’t see any way that a woman could ever have got admission to it. People like Moore and Prebble can’t help appearing sexist. I think that’s been a lot of the problem for me.
“Part of my being overlooked for any office is because I belong to another faction in the party, but part of it is also that I’m a woman.
“I think they find most women terribly threatening…I suppress so much. I’m conscious of some of the putdowns and the sexism.
“Discussions around Parliament are entirely conducted in terms of ‘he’. The men say it’s a generic term, but I don’t accept that. Of course it’s a put-down!”
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Indeed it has.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
“I took a year of teachers college after my first degree but didnt go back for the final year cos I couldnt be bothered.”
That’s because you’re too smart, short shrivelled
Oh, and bye bye Nome. A hundred and ten demerits for trolling. Well done.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
“That’s because you’re too smart, short shrivelled ”
Vote:Ahhh, it can’t have been that cos im a filthy commie.
Well im not really, but I am left leaning so apparently Im thick
March 6th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Perhaps I’m being overly generous here, but I don’t think that being *slightly* to the left makes you a filthy commie just yet short shrivelled, although redbaiter might disagree.
He calls me a commie too sometimes you know
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Well If Barnett can’t find a bed for the night when he reaches Blighty I am sure there is a Mr Barrymore who would host him for the night. Might even invite him to skinnydip in his swimming pool.
[DPF: 10 demerits. Joking about a homicide situation not helpful]
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
[DPF: 10 demerits. Cite some evidence to rebut - don’t name call]
David with all due respect the Family Court does not collect such information and part of the Fathers Coalition problem is exactly that . That is, trying to get them to acknowledge the existence of the problem . Many fathers suicide as forced clients in the litigation world of the Family Court . You ping me 10 demerits for that then I suggest that is not fair. That is not right as IF THE EVIDENCE EXISTED I WOULD CITE IT . I have many, many examples. I am livid at your decision and I urge you to RETHINK ?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Gosh with the rate DPFs handing out demerits Im too afraid to post what I was going to post
Suffice it to say wouldnt it be great if MPs had a more holistic view rather then the single issue so many of them are caught up in.
Sigh I guess hoping for members of the House of Representatives to actually represent you is a forelone hope .Certainly one of the current lot represent me or my values morals or ethics.
They continue to be but dog turds on the soles of my shoes.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
The main idea behind this posting is disturbing, especially where Mr Barnett is concerned.
In recent years, I have wondered with increasing frequency about Mr Barnett’s motives which seemed to me to be the most spectactular example of ego-driven selfishness I’ve ever seen.
But is there more to it than Mr Barnett’s personal desires? Has there been a coordinated campaign by him and his supporters to move into NZ politics, establish a regime which further legitimises homosexuality and prostitution and undermines the family? It would appear so.
The damage has been done. Mr Barnett is now departing the scene of the crime with his ‘married’ partner.
I despair for our political process if it can be used in this way. To call it a democracy is just another abuse of our language.
I look forward to the day when we can recover some sense of decency in our public life and political process.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
“Gosh with the rate DPFs handing out demerits Im too afraid to post what I was going to post’
I am bloody livid and it has cured me !!
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
So roger, what does the study on gay suicide prove?
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Michael Cullen said to John Middleton “Please Join them”, so I guess he is saying the same to all of the “rats”
http://nzdebate.blogspot.com/2008/02/please-join-them.html
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
D4J – I told you once before that it is my real name, i don’t hide behind any alias.
Vote:A word of warning. If you are so stupid as to try and treaten me outside this blog, watch out.
March 6th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
“roger nome” “The fact that we have skill shortages in some areas of the labour market is simply a result of that market being tight. Your response?”
They’re better off elsewhere, especially Aussie, higher pay, lower tax. Period.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Phil – My Daughter and New Husband have just come back from Aussie. About 8 days on the Sunshine Coast and commented that how dear shopping had become. Food had gone up considerably from about 2 years ago, clothing, appliences, whitegoods, etc have also taken a serious hike in pricing.
They also say the news has the same ol same ol and NZ, poor hospitals, housing too dear, rise in mortgagee sales, you get the picture.
Mondays Sydney Morning Herald was full of doom and despodancy with people complaining about traffic, etc.
The grass may be greener, the wages may be higher but all is not well in the land of Oz.
Ps: DPF I like the editing format, makes up well for PP typing skills.
Vote:Could you also explain the Karma thing, i think i missed it when you changed to the new format.
March 6th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
“A word of warning. If you are so stupid as to try and treaten me outside this blog, watch out.’
That is one very,very,very,very,very sick comment John Dalley. What makes these people tick is beyond my comprehension.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
John Dalley:
DPF explains the new Comment Karma feature here:
I think it’s a good feature as it encourages Kiwiblog readers who generally don’t comment to have their say anyway
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Well the karma thumbs certainly help highlight the prevailing mindset, as if anyone needed extra help to see what that is!
and they wonder why people call it “the Kiwiblog right”…
6:37 pm -1 already… the karma-clicker mob does not approve!!
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Could maybe one of you guys just post the comment “Don’t like poofters!” at the start of each thread, another one post “Who does?” and then we could all just skip the ensuing 50 posts of anti-gay bullshit?
DPF: was there a point to this post? Are you suggesting MPs should be barred from leaving the country? You seem to be at least suggesting that govt MPs leaving is a sign of them having wrecked the country – can we take it then that no National govt MPs would leave NZ following their retirement? Good luck with that one.
I’ve left the country twice now – it was fucked up when I left both times, and just as fucked up when I came back, both times. Different govts in power, no discernable difference in general fucked-up-ed-ness. Oddly enough, the countries I moved to also seemed to have rather a large number of problems, just like here. Both also seemed to have more than their share of whingers bleating about the govt, also just like here. Personally, I thought it was the whingers, not the govts, fucking those countries up. Just like here.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Gee Psycho sounds like everywhere you happen to be is fucked or soon gets that way. Maybe you should do the universe a favour and go visit a black hole for your next OE. At least you wont be able to come back and whinge anymore.
Vote:March 6th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
The nicest thing about living in another country is that it is not yours to criticise. I lived in England for 4 years and the only thing I gave a shit about was my weekly pay packet and the wonderful holidays I could have. Whatever the government was doing over there was not my concern. I will be taking the same attitude with me when I leave for Australia in May.
Vote:I no longer wish to live in NZ because I give too much of a shit about the erosion of the average Kiwi’s standard of living that I have witnessed, aided and abetted by the coalition government. You might say I should stay and fight. Well under this current government I feel anyone publically speaking out against them is in some way going to end up a marked man. I apologise in advance for being negative but I just don’t see a change in government this year. The budget lolly scramble and backroom deals with coalition partners will bribe many to retain the status quo.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
POC – Thanks.
Vote:March 7th, 2008 at 6:49 am
What about the 75% of Labour retirees who are staying? What will those losers do?
I see that Internal Affairs may have an opening for David Benson-Pope.
Vote:March 7th, 2008 at 7:30 am
I see the point was lost on you Johnboy – but then, you’re a classic example of the breed.
Vote:March 7th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I guess I am just to stupid to understand your brilliant mind Psycho please accept my humble apologies. So let me get it straight when you whinge it does not increase the fucked-up-ed-ness coefficient of the particular country that you happen to be residing at the time but if any one else whinges it does increase the fucked-up-ed-ness coefficient of the nation.
Vote:An amazing concept. I suspect further research (in your own mind) of the value of the reduction in the fucked-up-ed-ness coefficient caused by your words of wisdom will show it to be inversely proportional to the lumenosity of the sun that shines from your rear orifice.