Online Lotto

March 29th, 2008 at 1:56 pm by David Farrar

The and other need to get real over the move to online Lotto.

If people want to gamble online, they are already doing it. Hell people in NZ are betting on US elections, playing blackjack, roulette etc etc.

All the Government is doing it allowing people to buy Lotto tickets on the .  That’s bloody helpful.  They’ve even put in place spending limits.

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19 Responses to “Online Lotto”

  1. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    I disagree. It will create more gambling debts. Lotto is advertised on the tele everynight. SOme of the profits are used by the Govt to put into community groups. This is a fig-leaf, disguising the fact they have privatised community initiatives by allowing billion-dollar gambling consortiums to tax the very lowest socio-econimic groups who inevitably are suckered by an glossy ad campaign which offers an tiny chance to escape from poverty.

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  2. PaulP (150 comments) says:

    Bollocks Lee

    If the greens and others want to get tough on gambling to help those effected most then they’d focus on pokie machines not lotto. The daily churn on the pokies has a much greater impact on lower socio-economic groups than $15 a week on lotto.

    Most gamblers are hooked by the quick rush and lotto doesn’t provide that.

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  3. pdm (844 comments) says:

    Not often I agree with the greens but I do not agree with online lotto

    Having said that I guess I am a hypocrite as I use the TAB’s online system on a fairly regular basis. But then I have been betting on race horses off and on (that is not every day or even every week) for the last 45 years approx.

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  4. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    I DONT CARE i have the winning numbers into tonights POWERBALL, (IM A WINNER) yer right back to reality and the printing press SIGH, any spelling mistakes (sorry bros)

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  5. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    Having said that I guess I am a hypocrite as I use the TAB’s online system on a fairly regular basis. But then I have been betting on race horses off and on (that is not every day or even every week) for the last 45 years approx.

    And to play the devil’s advocate for a moment, if my partner developed a gambling addicition and was spending hundreds of dollars a week on Lotto ‘products’ on line using a credit card I’d catch him out rather quickly. Especially if he was dipping into the joint account to do it.

    If he was taking relatively small but regular amounts out of an ATM, not quite so much. For all I’d know, he could be spending it on cigarettes or buying lunch every day.

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  6. Mike Collins (166 comments) says:

    Opposition to this is rediculous. Online gambling allows for greater monitoring of problem gamblers. In the case of Lotto there will be spending caps, and regular monitoring of those reaching their caps on a frequent basis. Proactive counselling will be provided for those deemed to be in a problem situation. This move online allows for this to occur. This is something that can not be done currently with the bricks and mortar setup.

    Everyone should be supporting this move as it provides support to those who do need it while moving with the times like everything else.

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  7. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Well, I never did! reeally! you think Lotto will be financing counselling sessions for the overspenders? Some of you appear to be working on the idea that there is a set number of people out there who gamble, and that the breadth of choices will simply make it easier to access the means to gamble and therefore even monitor them so the online lotto is actually a public service. What absolute drivel.
    My objection is that it will encouarge a new generation of ‘on-line’ gamblers. The Minister in charge of this even stated on the radio yesterday that there are people who don’t live in an ‘analogue world’ who remain to be -shall we say – ‘assisted’ to buy lotto. Who are these people? Why the young of course! Same argument is made by cigarette companies – ‘Oh we don;t market to the young, we just try to convert existing smokers.’
    Shit if you want to live in a Tui ad, fine, but don’t come crying when the next generation of addicts come along saying ‘It all started with on-line lotto.’ because as sure as eggs is eggs, that will happen. It’s just plain common sense. So bollocks back atcha!

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  8. Sushi Goblin (419 comments) says:

    I always thought that gamblers are after “quick fixes”, and so therefore Lotto is a sub optimal choice for them since they have to wait a few days to find out what happened. Pokies and casinos tend to attract problem gamblers since they offer immediate thrills, not the lotto shops.

    Although I hasten to add that Lotto is a wonderful way to discover people who are useless at maths, but want to help fund sports and the arts.

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  9. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    A difficult one this. Pure principle of course suggests this activity should be no more regulated than any other (which is to say, not at all). But the flipside is that gambling does cause harm to a small percentage of those who partake, as does alcohol, drugs etc.

    So I find myself in simultaneous agreement with Lee C and Paul P… the latter particularly about the pokies, to which I have seen astounding numbers of those on low incomes succumb – and similarly “scratchies”. The instant feedback is a powerful psychological reward. They’re far more insidious and I believe – on a fair bit of only anecdotal evidence, I admit – far more addictive. Of course two (or more) wrongs don’t make a right.

    However online gambling – as with regular attendance at casinos – is at least something that can be monitored to detect unusual spending patterns. If someone is spending amounts well in excess of what would be affordable to someone on an average income, that at least could raise a flag to initiate some sort of further action. That’s provided such safeguards are put in place, of course.

    It’s one of those issues where either extreme – unfettered access or state control – are both fraught with problems, calling for a common sense workable solution somewhere between the extremes. I’ll just hold my breath waiting for that to happen now…

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  10. Steve (4,563 comments) says:

    Put your money into a pool, draw a number and that person wins, less administration costs, less advertising costs.
    If I lose, I am one of many who buy a chance ticket, and TAXED (gst)
    If I should win I will be happy, except when I spend some money I will be TAXED.
    If I invest I will be TAXED.
    Any nest egg won by a gambler will be TAXED sooner or later.
    For FUCKS sake every time I turn around there is a TAX.
    Ohh TAX + gst

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  11. Bob (497 comments) says:

    What would we do without the Greens to run our lives for us?

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  12. Craig Ranapia (1,915 comments) says:

    Well, I never did! reeally! you think Lotto will be financing counselling sessions for the overspenders?

    NZ Lotteries is a crown entity, and if it is not in full compliance with all applicable legislation then I expect the relevant books to be thrown at it with great force.

    Shit if you want to live in a Tui ad, fine, but don’t come crying when the next generation of addicts come along saying ‘It all started with on-line lotto.’ because as sure as eggs is eggs, that will happen.

    LeeC: I can tell you from a position of intimate experience that addicts are seldom a reliable source of insight into the roots of their own pathology. It would be very nice if I could blame my alcoholism on the end of six o’clock closing, but that’s utter bullshit. And I don’t see why those who actually consume alcohol in moderation — and behave responsibly under the influence — should be affected because I don’t.

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  13. dog_eat_dog (781 comments) says:

    I buy tickets in Australian Lotto online. More prizes, better ticket combos and better value. Just makes sense really.

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  14. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    As long as no beneficiaries can play lotto.

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  15. John Dalley (394 comments) says:

    Not sure if i was listening to part of the same interview as Ari, but one of the issues the Greens had about online Lotto was with the fact that you used a credit card and therefore adding to potential credit card debt.
    The person (Greens) didn’t say so but i would think that if payment for online Lotto was by internet banking, it may have been more acceptable.

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  16. umgravey (1 comment) says:

    online lotto has benefits its easier you dont have to waste your time going down to your local supermarket to get a lotto ticket. instead i can go online right before the draw and purchase a ticket. it just makes sence thats the way the world runs today with online banking etc

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  17. Karen Jones (2 comments) says:

    As many of you have commented, NZ Lotteries has worked with the Goverment to put in place an extensive range of controls to enable a safe playing environment for online Lotto purchasing. This includes a registration process, mandatory spending limits and monitoring for problem gambling behaviours. And yes, you will be able to purchase via internet banking as well as credit cards. NZ Lotteries plans to launch online sales within the next two months.
    Karen Jones, NZ Lotteries Head of Communications

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  18. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    My problem with taking Lotto online has only been touched by John Dalley. You need a credit card to get online. Which means if you’ve survived without a credit card before you now have motivation to get one. People with the low of levels of mathematics are not good candidates for credit card ownership. Also, there are differing psychological constraints when online. Some people don’t understand how money works online as it doesn’t seem real (A recent article I saw showed that 7 year old kids thought that super markets give your parents cash for shopping there because they always got cash back!). If people are used to handing over hard cash to a teller they know exactly what they’ve lost. Clicking a few buttons to see a few numbers drop on another screen is alot different.

    Whilst I’m not for a protectionist society, I do see this as being a significant hurdle for some perennially poor. In fact, I’d rather see state sponsored gambling gone with altogether, it seems some what anti-society as by default, there are always more loosers than winners.

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