Protecting ANZAC
March 30th, 2008 at 1:39 pm by David FarrarThe growing numbers for ANZAC Day, shows how important the ANZAC name is to people in both Australia and New Zealand. And it is a word protected by law from misuse.
It has been a protected name since the War Legislation Amendment Act 1916. Today it is protected under the Flags, Emblems, and Names Protection Act 1981.
A furore recently erupted in Australia over an activist group promoting a some sort of direct action training weekend as a Activists, Newcomers and Zealots Action Camp.
The story on Indymedia has been deleted as it was also in breach of Australian law.
Hat Tip: Tim Blair
March 30th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Why should anything ANZAC be protected DPF, least of all ANZAC day?
You champion 365 day trading, it is the hight of hypocrisy for you to post about defending anything ANZAC.
Under your proposal if people want to celebrate ANZAC day they can choose to do so by taking one of their extra 12 days off (as long as thats OK with their boss) to commemorate this sacred day.
[DPF: You really are obsessed on these issues. Protecting names is standard intellectual property practice. That has nothing to do with your desire to force everyone to have a holiday on the days you dictate to them. Yes under the Donovan proposal employees would have the choice (not employers - you unfailingly misrepresent this) to take the day off on ANZAC Day. And you know I think freedom of choice rather than compulsion reflects the spirit of ANZAC Day quite well]
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
ANZAC should be protected big bruv, purely for the reason that those men died for us to give us the freedoms we enjoy today. Would you prefer to not have free speech?
Anyone who tries to trade on the ANZAC name, is simply an idiot & is just asking for public opinion to be strongly against them. One does have to ask what these people were smoking when they came up with the idea.
And regarding your point about DPFs proposal to allow ANZAC day to be taken on any day, why not? For some ANZAC day might be of little significance personally, and they’d rather celebrate the ANZAC spirit on a day such as the birthday of a family member who has served in a war or given they’re life for this country. Should that not be allowed to happen?
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
rolla_fxgt “those men died for us to give us the freedoms we enjoy today”
While I’m all for honouring the memory of fallen soldiers, World War 1 and especially Gallipoli had very little to do with freedom or free speech. Rather than being taken in by 90 odd years of propaganda we should view the experience as a stark reminder of why we should have an independent foreign policy and we should ensure that we never take lightly the decision to go to war and send our young soldiers away to die.
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Anzac biscuits anyone.
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Innocent bystander … sorry, ANZAC Day has nothing to do with the merits or otherwise of a so called ‘independent foreign policy’ and yes, we should never take lightly the decision to send soldiers away to die. But for most of us ANZAC Day is the occasion where we reflect on and honour the sacrifice of our young men and women went went away and did not come back.
Debate the other issues whenever and whereever you like but ANZAC Day is a day to remember the fallen.
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Research carried out by Professor Helen Leach, a culinary anthropologist at the University of Otago in New Zealand, revealed that the first time the name “ANZAC” appeared in the name of the biscuit in a recipe book was in 1921. That occurred in the renaming of the “oatmeal biscuit” recipe to “ANZAC crispies”, in the ninth edition of the St Andrew’s Cookery Book. Subsequent editions renamed this to be “ANZAC Biscuits”.
Exactly the same recipe was included in contemporary recipe books as “rolled oats biscuits”, (and none of these recipes included coconut – not until 1927). The oatmeal or rolled oats biscuits were developed in the Scottish-influenced city of Dunedin as a variation of Scottish oat cakes.
Today, the ANZAC Biscuits are manufactured commercially for retail sale because of their military connection with the ANZACs and ANZAC Day. These biscuits are often used as a fundraising item for the RSA and the RSL veterans organisations. ANZAC Biscuits made using the traditional recipe are also carried by bush-bashers (bushwalkers) as a food of last resort; due to their tough constitution and good keeping properties enabling these biscuits to survive many days of rough travel.
The term ANZAC is protected under Australian law [1] and therefore the word should not be used without permission from the Minister for Veterans’ Affairs [2]; misuse can be legally enforced particularly for commercial purposes. There is a general exemption granted for ….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZAC_biscuit
So Anzac biscuits have an exemption but dont call them cookies AND dont acll them Australian
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
So much for freedom of speech eh.
(and don’t interpret this as me agreeing with the nutters on indymedia)
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
For the record I consider Anzac day to be most sacred day of the year, I have no time for those who describe those who fought as victims of propaganda.
Yes thing were different back then but to suggest that they were used is a disgrace and just another reason I detest pinko’s with a passion.
DPF you are right about one thing when it comes to Anzac day, I DO want my opinion forced on others, if we cannot take .5 of a day off to remember those whop fought in ALL wars then we are a bloody sick society.
Vote:Those who get all worked up about people being denied the chance to work for half a day need to get a fucking life.
March 30th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
“Independent foreign policy” was a poor choice of words, given that that phrase has been associated more closely with Labour’s approach to defence and foreign affairs. I wasn’t suggesting that we politicise ANZAC day, I was suggesting that as well as honouring the memory of the fallen it should be a time to reflect on the lessons learned. Talking about ww1 in terms of protecting freedom and free speech is partularly irksome when you consider what ww1 was all about and the fact that it needlessly wasted 20 million lives. I became really concious of the media framing ANZAC day this way in their coverage last year (maybe they always have??) It struck me as incredibly lazy journalism and made me cringe to be honest.
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
I don’t think those who fought were necessarily victims of propaganda either, WW1 has to be seen in the context of its time and us being part of the British Empire.
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
ANZAC should be protected big bruv, purely for the reason that those men died for us to give us the freedoms we enjoy today. Would you prefer to not have free speech?
well those freedoms arent much use if we arent allowed to exercise them are they?
Anyone who tries to trade on the ANZAC name, is simply an idiot & is just asking for public opinion to be strongly against them. One does have to ask what these people were smoking when they came up with the idea.
Hardly seems like it needs protecting in law in that case.
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
big bruv Add karma Subtract karma +0 Says: March 30th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
“Yes thing were different back then but to suggest that they were used is a disgrace and just another reason I detest pinko’s with a passion.”
Interestingly, the conscription of working class lads, but NOT capital (to the contrary, capitalists in NZ did very well out of the high interest rates, high prices and various other opportunities the war offered capital) was a major impetus in the formation of the Labour Party in 1916 and its establishment as a serious electoral force at the next polls. Yep, it was the working class that made the sacrifices, and the capitalists who made the profits. My old man is still angry at the way his old man was treated during the war.
Lest we forget.
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
My wifes grandfather used to talk about his service in Africa and Italy in WW2. He remembers being told that his return to NZ after the African campaign was on hold. He remembers being promised that no man would have to serve twice, and that the load would be spread. He remebers coming home from the war to unionised wharfies who never signed up and never volunteered, and he never forgave Peter Fraser for the lies he told.
Vote:March 30th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Yes, and my wife’s grandfather died leading his men into action on Crete. He was a Labour MP who had lied about his age in order to fight in WWI, but who nonetheless signed up to fight in WWII. He was a “pinko”.
Vote:March 31st, 2008 at 6:57 am
jafapete: What crap you talk. Who was the labour MP who died leading men into action on Crete? Give us the name.
And while you’re about it, you might care to explain why Labour made sure that its union mates avoided service during WW2.
ROWIWOR: you are quite correct. Labour’s great hero, Norman Kirk, was one of those who avoided service at home or abroad. Labour has always been the party of the bludger – always willing to live off others’ efforts.
Bludging shits.
Vote:March 31st, 2008 at 8:41 am
Duxton said: Who was the labour MP who died leading men into action on Crete? Give us the name.
[url=http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2-21Ba-c4.htmlThis guy?[/url]
Lt-Col J. M. Allen, m.i.d.; born Cheadle, England, 3 Aug 1901; farmer; MP (Hauraki) 1938–41; CO 21 Bn 17 May-28 Nov 1941; killed in action 28 Nov 1941, on Crete.
Vote:March 31st, 2008 at 8:42 am
Duxton: Who was the labour MP who died leading men into action on Crete?
This guy?
Lt-Col J. M. Allen, m.i.d.; born Cheadle, England, 3 Aug 1901; farmer; MP (Hauraki) 1938–41; CO 21 Bn 17 May-28 Nov 1941; killed in action 28 Nov 1941.
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2-21Ba-c4.html
It doesn’t say which party he was in, but there can’t have been two, right?
Vote:March 31st, 2008 at 8:54 am
No, it was Jack Lyon, first elected MP for Waitemata in 1935. A National MP — probably Allen — also died whilst serving in WWII. A few years ago, when Jonathan was still Speaker, a plaque to those MPs who died in action was unveiled at Parliament and some of my inlaws attended the ceremony.
I think an apology might be in order.
Vote:March 31st, 2008 at 9:12 am
Here’s the official account from “18 Battalion and Armoured Regiment” (1961) by W. D. Dawson at p.157:
“Captain Lyon and five others were killed… The battalion could not afford to lose many like Captain Lyon, one of its few senior officers still on their feet. Though physically worn out by the Greek campaign, he had kept going on Crete and refused to give in, setting an example to many men younger than himself — he had dropped several years off his age to come overseas. He was the first New Zealand MP to lose his life in the Second World War.”
The point is that these attempts to portray all “pinkos” as draft dodgers are odious and offensive to the memory of those pinkos who fought in the war, in some cases making the supreme sacrifice.
I am not the person to ask about the policy of exempting men working in essential industries from military service, but I think that you will find it was standard policy in any number of countries, including those with conservative governments. If you care to take the time to look.
Vote:March 31st, 2008 at 10:53 am
What wasn’t a “standard policy” was the blanket suspension of free speech and the censorship of the media on non-national security matters that were hammed home by the Labour government during the war. Headed by people who were themselves “conscientious objectors” during WW V1.0.
The imprisoning and putting to hard labour all conscientious objectors and the silencing of critics like Ormand Burton (a Gallipoli vet) was also “non-standard”.
Other western democracies managed to fight without tossing out peoples rights.
jafapete 18 battalion was one of the three that were collectively converted to an armoured bridgade during Freybergs upgrading the 2dn NZ Div to a mechanised infantry division hence the seeming double listing.
Vote:March 31st, 2008 at 11:17 am
Murray,
Hey, I’m not as big a fan of Peter Fraser as some, and agree with the tenor of what you say in respect of suspensions of civil liberties during WWII, but in the interests of balance, I must point out that a National Government imposed draconian restrictions on civil liberties in 1951. I guess you could argue that the country was at war in 1951 (Korea), but your comments apply equally, if not more so given the relatively smaller role in the fighting than in WWII.
Vote:March 31st, 2008 at 6:54 pm
jafapete – Happy to apologise for not knowing about Lyon. I also thought that James Allen was the only one. Allen’s was a famous military family: his older brothers were battalion commanders during WW1, and commanded the Hauraki Regt after the war. I must say that it makes a welcome change thinking that a Labour MP fronted up as well.
That said, I don’t apologise for my comments about those in so-called vital industries not playing their part. It’s a bit claiming triple time for handling explosives on an Auckland wharf when their fellow countrymen were being shot at in North Africa and Italy, and without getting any danger money for the privilege. If Fraser had had any courage he would have used the servicemen brought home under the the Ruapehu Furlough scheme in 1943 to take over the docks, and conscripted the unionists for overseas service.
Bludgers – just bludgers.
Vote:March 31st, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Thanks Duxton, my wifes grandfather was one of those brought home on the Ruapehu Furlough, and was very bitter years later at being sent back, especially as he had to board the troopship past the wharfies who stayed behind doing very nicely thank you!
Peter Fraser was a former wharfie too, I beleive!
Vote:April 1st, 2008 at 7:02 am
Yes, ROW, one of those wharfies was Norman Eric Kirk. Kirk was supposedly unfit for military service, but was still able to pushbike 50 miles from Auckland to Thames (most of it on a gravel road) every week to visit his fiance.
The Labour bludgers are quite correct when they talk about war and national identity. All that triple time and danger money must have been sheer hell.
Bludgers – just bludgers.
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