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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-423237</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Murray once said something like this: Parents don&#039;t object to black pupils being bussed in to share their kids classes, they object to any disruptive, abusive, violent, bullying pupils. It doesn&#039;t make those parents &quot;racist&quot; if a disruptive, abusive, violent, bullying pupil happens to be black.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Murray once said something like this: Parents don&#8217;t object to black pupils being bussed in to share their kids classes, they object to any disruptive, abusive, violent, bullying pupils. It doesn&#8217;t make those parents &#8220;racist&#8221; if a disruptive, abusive, violent, bullying pupil happens to be black&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: enough rope</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422934</link>
		<dc:creator>enough rope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Read some Keith Windschuttle for the truth on Aborigines . . .&quot;

Windschuttle&#039;s a sociologist masquerading as a historian.
When it comes to Aboriginal history, he&#039;s nothing more than the Australian equivalent of a holocaust denier.
He appeals to the same kind of inadequate social cripples who are sucked in by the self-serving nonsense of Davud Irving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Read some Keith Windschuttle for the truth on Aborigines . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Windschuttle&#8217;s a sociologist masquerading as a historian.<br />
When it comes to Aboriginal history, he&#8217;s nothing more than the Australian equivalent of a holocaust denier.<br />
He appeals to the same kind of inadequate social cripples who are sucked in by the self-serving nonsense of Davud Irving.</p>
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		<title>By: Fausta</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422830</link>
		<dc:creator>Fausta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milo, sweetie, I don&#039;t think Redbaiter is ever going to be convinced.  He&#039;s completely irrational, unable to use either facts or reason to make a case, or to respond to other people&#039;s points.  And then when it&#039;s clear to anyone with even a modicum of intellectual ability that he&#039;s losing, he retreats to insults.  What a nasty, vicious &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; man.

You, on the other hand, are not a little man.  So, why don&#039;t you give up on him now, and come to bed with me instead.

With love, from your &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/a_good_labour_weekend.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fausta&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milo, sweetie, I don&#8217;t think Redbaiter is ever going to be convinced.  He&#8217;s completely irrational, unable to use either facts or reason to make a case, or to respond to other people&#8217;s points.  And then when it&#8217;s clear to anyone with even a modicum of intellectual ability that he&#8217;s losing, he retreats to insults.  What a nasty, vicious <i>little</i> man.</p>
<p>You, on the other hand, are not a little man.  So, why don&#8217;t you give up on him now, and come to bed with me instead.</p>
<p>With love, from your <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/a_good_labour_weekend.html" rel="nofollow">Fausta</a></p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422859</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure it speaks for itself, and it exposes your pathetic dated liberal psychosis manifested in your limp wristed pre-occupation with the myth of skin colour. How often are we going to relitigate the same points??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure it speaks for itself, and it exposes your pathetic dated liberal psychosis manifested in your limp wristed pre-occupation with the myth of skin colour. How often are we going to relitigate the same points??</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422848</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbaiter: funny isn&#039;t it - I think you are describing yourself up there.  Although I don&#039;t think you are a dumbfuck.  But I&#039;m just happy to remind you again of what you said. &lt;i&gt;Aborigines are often just like Adolf described them.&lt;/i&gt;

Adolf’s description was: &lt;i&gt;If you saw some of the local Abos you would not let them within fifty yards of a back yard shit house, let alone a motel room. It is highly likely they were filthy, pissed, abusive and aggressive. I suspect they might have been turned away for behaviour and have then bleated racism. &lt;/i&gt;

And you said &lt;i&gt;They were not “turned away for being black”. This is just the pathetic psychological projection that dumbfuck liberals can’t stop themselves from making. Even if we give the propagandising ABC the benefit of the doubt, and accept that things happened as reported (in reality extremely unlikely) they were turned away for being the people that left liberals have made them, not for their skin colour.&lt;/i&gt;

I think it speaks for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbaiter: funny isn&#8217;t it &#8211; I think you are describing yourself up there.  Although I don&#8217;t think you are a dumbfuck.  But I&#8217;m just happy to remind you again of what you said. <i>Aborigines are often just like Adolf described them.</i></p>
<p>Adolf’s description was: <i>If you saw some of the local Abos you would not let them within fifty yards of a back yard shit house, let alone a motel room. It is highly likely they were filthy, pissed, abusive and aggressive. I suspect they might have been turned away for behaviour and have then bleated racism. </i></p>
<p>And you said <i>They were not “turned away for being black”. This is just the pathetic psychological projection that dumbfuck liberals can’t stop themselves from making. Even if we give the propagandising ABC the benefit of the doubt, and accept that things happened as reported (in reality extremely unlikely) they were turned away for being the people that left liberals have made them, not for their skin colour.</i></p>
<p>I think it speaks for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422846</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 04:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I see, so if I ask difficult questions, I am simply a “dumbfuck”.&quot;

No, your questions are manufactured from entirely false premises, and this kind of feeble dishonesty is what makes you a dumbfuck.

&quot;Guess what, Redbaiter, your experiences may not be that representative of the rest of the population.&quot;

Something I have never claimed, and once again, your &quot;argument&quot; falls further into the realm of made up off topic rambling nonsense. You&#039;re merely an empty liberal with no where to go once your prejudices and emotional baggage are exposed. You have been proved wrong on almost every point you have promoted. You&#039;re just wasting time and bandwidth, but of course, there&#039;s really nothing else left for you is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I see, so if I ask difficult questions, I am simply a “dumbfuck”.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, your questions are manufactured from entirely false premises, and this kind of feeble dishonesty is what makes you a dumbfuck.</p>
<p>&#8220;Guess what, Redbaiter, your experiences may not be that representative of the rest of the population.&#8221;</p>
<p>Something I have never claimed, and once again, your &#8220;argument&#8221; falls further into the realm of made up off topic rambling nonsense. You&#8217;re merely an empty liberal with no where to go once your prejudices and emotional baggage are exposed. You have been proved wrong on almost every point you have promoted. You&#8217;re just wasting time and bandwidth, but of course, there&#8217;s really nothing else left for you is there?</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422836</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see, so if I ask difficult questions, I am simply a &quot;dumbfuck&quot;.

And if I require evidence, it turns out that something you saw once is more reliable that all the world&#039;s media combined.  Guess what, Redbaiter, your experiences may not be that representative of the rest of the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see, so if I ask difficult questions, I am simply a &#8220;dumbfuck&#8221;.</p>
<p>And if I require evidence, it turns out that something you saw once is more reliable that all the world&#8217;s media combined.  Guess what, Redbaiter, your experiences may not be that representative of the rest of the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422833</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How did you reach that point of view?&quot;

I&#039;ve spent a lot of time in their company. Some of them are as Adolf described them.

&quot;Given your later conversation, it’s not clear what you mean by skin colour&quot;

Its always been clear what I mean by skin colour. You&#039;re the one suffering the confusion.

&quot;How did you know that, if the media reports are so unreliable? &quot;

I have never claimed to &quot;know&quot; anything about what happened there and every time I have commented on the issue, I have qualified those comments with the same reference to the unreliability of the media. Your talking abject irrational nonsense you time wasting bandwidth wasting repetitive dumbfuck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How did you reach that point of view?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time in their company. Some of them are as Adolf described them.</p>
<p>&#8220;Given your later conversation, it’s not clear what you mean by skin colour&#8221;</p>
<p>Its always been clear what I mean by skin colour. You&#8217;re the one suffering the confusion.</p>
<p>&#8220;How did you know that, if the media reports are so unreliable? &#8221;</p>
<p>I have never claimed to &#8220;know&#8221; anything about what happened there and every time I have commented on the issue, I have qualified those comments with the same reference to the unreliability of the media. Your talking abject irrational nonsense you time wasting bandwidth wasting repetitive dumbfuck.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422824</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbaiter: Your recent comments are inconsistent with your earlier ones.  Allow me to remind you that you said: &lt;i&gt;Aborigines are often just like Adolf described them,&lt;/i&gt;.

Adolf&#039;s description was: &lt;i&gt;If you saw some of the local Abos you would not let them within fifty yards of a back yard shit house, let alone a motel room. It is highly likely they were filthy, pissed, abusive and aggressive. I suspect they might have been turned away for behaviour and have then bleated racism &lt;/i&gt;. 

How did you  reach that point of view?  Did you take a survey?  Rely on hearsay? Use media reports?   You also said:

&lt;i&gt;They were not “turned away for being black”. This is just the pathetic psychological projection that dumbfuck liberals can’t stop themselves from making. Even if we give the propagandising ABC the benefit of the doubt, and accept that things happened as reported (in reality extremely unlikely) they were turned away for being the people that left liberals have made them, not for their skin colour.&lt;/i&gt;

Given your later conversation, it&#039;s not clear what you mean by skin colour - whether you mean aboriginal features and colouring.  It seems likely you did mean that, but your later arguments seem to take a different view.  Whatever, that&#039;s not the point.

The point is, you seem to know that it is extremely unlikely they were turned away because of their race or skin colour, but rather it was because they are some kind of nasty horrid people.  How did you know that, if the media reports are so unreliable?  

Or do you now disown your previously expressed views?  To say that you haven&#039;t reached any position seems most disingenuous given the comments that I quote above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbaiter: Your recent comments are inconsistent with your earlier ones.  Allow me to remind you that you said: <i>Aborigines are often just like Adolf described them,</i>.</p>
<p>Adolf&#8217;s description was: <i>If you saw some of the local Abos you would not let them within fifty yards of a back yard shit house, let alone a motel room. It is highly likely they were filthy, pissed, abusive and aggressive. I suspect they might have been turned away for behaviour and have then bleated racism </i>. </p>
<p>How did you  reach that point of view?  Did you take a survey?  Rely on hearsay? Use media reports?   You also said:</p>
<p><i>They were not “turned away for being black”. This is just the pathetic psychological projection that dumbfuck liberals can’t stop themselves from making. Even if we give the propagandising ABC the benefit of the doubt, and accept that things happened as reported (in reality extremely unlikely) they were turned away for being the people that left liberals have made them, not for their skin colour.</i></p>
<p>Given your later conversation, it&#8217;s not clear what you mean by skin colour &#8211; whether you mean aboriginal features and colouring.  It seems likely you did mean that, but your later arguments seem to take a different view.  Whatever, that&#8217;s not the point.</p>
<p>The point is, you seem to know that it is extremely unlikely they were turned away because of their race or skin colour, but rather it was because they are some kind of nasty horrid people.  How did you know that, if the media reports are so unreliable?  </p>
<p>Or do you now disown your previously expressed views?  To say that you haven&#8217;t reached any position seems most disingenuous given the comments that I quote above.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422821</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you admit another error. That&#039;s five. So far. ..and spare me the vomit inducing smilies.. greaser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you admit another error. That&#8217;s five. So far. ..and spare me the vomit inducing smilies.. greaser.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422819</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most amusing that you take metaphor and satire literally.  It&#039;s a sign of something .... I wonder what .... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most amusing that you take metaphor and satire literally.  It&#8217;s a sign of something &#8230;. I wonder what &#8230;. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422815</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How on earth can you reach this position if there are no “facts” available.&quot;

I have not &quot;reached any position&quot;. It is you who has done that. Based on media reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How on earth can you reach this position if there are no “facts” available.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have not &#8220;reached any position&#8221;. It is you who has done that. Based on media reports.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422813</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; attempt to justify subhuman treatment of Aborigines (blacks!)&quot; 

I have not attempted to justify any such action. I have merely asked you to provide proof for your assertions as to what took place and the reasons for the event. You cannot do it, instead preferring to seek refuge in waffling off topic left liberal idiocy about fake moon landings and other irrelevancies.. Pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; attempt to justify subhuman treatment of Aborigines (blacks!)&#8221; </p>
<p>I have not attempted to justify any such action. I have merely asked you to provide proof for your assertions as to what took place and the reasons for the event. You cannot do it, instead preferring to seek refuge in waffling off topic left liberal idiocy about fake moon landings and other irrelevancies.. Pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422810</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You assert nonsense.  As usual.

But riddle me this, Redbaiter: the mere fact that they were &quot;Aboriginies&quot; (as reported by the so-called liberal media) was enough for you to take the view that they were the ones to blame.  How on earth can you reach this position if there are no &quot;facts&quot; available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You assert nonsense.  As usual.</p>
<p>But riddle me this, Redbaiter: the mere fact that they were &#8220;Aboriginies&#8221; (as reported by the so-called liberal media) was enough for you to take the view that they were the ones to blame.  How on earth can you reach this position if there are no &#8220;facts&#8221; available.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422808</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s OK - keep telling yourself it’s a point of honour not to argue the case with me.&quot;

Its not a point of honour Milt, its merely that I prefer not to waste time on people whom I know I cannot trust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s OK &#8211; keep telling yourself it’s a point of honour not to argue the case with me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Its not a point of honour Milt, its merely that I prefer not to waste time on people whom I know I cannot trust.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422807</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;1 - As I said, I changed my mind. I know you never do.&quot;

No you didn&#039;t. You made a clear statement of what you asserted was a fact and then contradicted yourself later. ..and you&#039;re still contradicting that statement now.

&quot;But who cares&quot;

You will of course pretend not to, but the truth is you were as wrong on this issue as you were on the other issues.

&quot;Claiming that skin colour is somehow different is a weird private language that is inconsistent with common usage&quot;

You claimed they were excluded on skin colour on more than one occasion and now openly admit that was wrong.

&quot;Proof linked to above, repeatedly&quot;

Mainstream media reports on conversations with people of doubtful identity and with possibly partisan viewpoints would never be accepted as evidence by any rational person. Think the fake Bush National Guard documents for one salient example of why not.

&quot;You cannot accept any evidence that contradicts your worldview.&#039;

You have not presented any evidence, and your posts are nothing but empty bluster. There is absolutely nothing for me to reach for even if I was sympathetic to your viewpoint. You have nothing. Other than your unshakable faith in the reliability of the liberal media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1 &#8211; As I said, I changed my mind. I know you never do.&#8221;</p>
<p>No you didn&#8217;t. You made a clear statement of what you asserted was a fact and then contradicted yourself later. ..and you&#8217;re still contradicting that statement now.</p>
<p>&#8220;But who cares&#8221;</p>
<p>You will of course pretend not to, but the truth is you were as wrong on this issue as you were on the other issues.</p>
<p>&#8220;Claiming that skin colour is somehow different is a weird private language that is inconsistent with common usage&#8221;</p>
<p>You claimed they were excluded on skin colour on more than one occasion and now openly admit that was wrong.</p>
<p>&#8220;Proof linked to above, repeatedly&#8221;</p>
<p>Mainstream media reports on conversations with people of doubtful identity and with possibly partisan viewpoints would never be accepted as evidence by any rational person. Think the fake Bush National Guard documents for one salient example of why not.</p>
<p>&#8220;You cannot accept any evidence that contradicts your worldview.&#8217;</p>
<p>You have not presented any evidence, and your posts are nothing but empty bluster. There is absolutely nothing for me to reach for even if I was sympathetic to your viewpoint. You have nothing. Other than your unshakable faith in the reliability of the liberal media.</p>
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		<title>By: Psycho Milt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422805</link>
		<dc:creator>Psycho Milt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I will do most people the courtesy of argument...&lt;/i&gt;

This is untrue, unless you genuinely believe abusing people constitutes making an argument.  Sadly, I suspect you do genuinely believe that.

&lt;i&gt;That’s because I don’t need to as I don’t agree with the premise.&lt;/i&gt; 

A better way of putting this would be:  &quot;Now that you&#039;ve made my point explicit, demonstrated the flaw in it, and asked for some validation of it in a form other than &quot;You are...&quot; or &quot;Socialists are...&quot;, I am at a loss.&quot;

That&#039;s OK - keep telling yourself it&#039;s a point of honour not to argue the case with me.  I don&#039;t doubt there are also some reading who believe you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I will do most people the courtesy of argument&#8230;</i></p>
<p>This is untrue, unless you genuinely believe abusing people constitutes making an argument.  Sadly, I suspect you do genuinely believe that.</p>
<p><i>That’s because I don’t need to as I don’t agree with the premise.</i> </p>
<p>A better way of putting this would be:  &#8220;Now that you&#8217;ve made my point explicit, demonstrated the flaw in it, and asked for some validation of it in a form other than &#8220;You are&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;Socialists are&#8230;&#8221;, I am at a loss.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s OK &#8211; keep telling yourself it&#8217;s a point of honour not to argue the case with me.  I don&#8217;t doubt there are also some reading who believe you.</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422802</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Redbaiter.

1 - As I said, I changed my mind.  I know you never do.
2 - If you read the quotation above, you will see that I did not claim that.  That is your (mis) interpretation of the claim. But who cares, it&#039;s a complete red herring.
3 - See the point above.  Denied because they were aborigines.  Claiming that skin colour is somehow different is a weird private language that is inconsistent with common usage.  Why don&#039;t you go and tell Muhummad Ali he ain&#039;t black?  He might have a punch or two left in him yet. .
4 - Proof linked to above, repeatedly..

Stalinist courts - I&#039;m assuming, perhaps wrongly, that if this reaches the courts and they find for the complainants, you will just regard them as part of the same communist influenced wet liberal pansy conspiracy.

Irrefutable fact.  You said a fact is something irrefutable.  You haven&#039;t been able to produce a single thing you regard as irrefutable, or to say what type of evidence you would accept to say that you are wrong.

Instead, you have blamed the Aboriginal people, and tried to discredit the reputable news sources that provide facts that are inconvenient to you.  This twisted approach and attempt to justify subhuman treatment of Aborigines (blacks!) shows to me that you are a stranger to the truth.  You have no standard for accepting evidence that you disagree with.

And that really is the key.  You cannot accept any evidence that contradicts your worldview.  You would rather heap abuse on a bunch of innocent young people, thereby contributing to the oppression they have suffered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Redbaiter.</p>
<p>1 &#8211; As I said, I changed my mind.  I know you never do.<br />
2 &#8211; If you read the quotation above, you will see that I did not claim that.  That is your (mis) interpretation of the claim. But who cares, it&#8217;s a complete red herring.<br />
3 &#8211; See the point above.  Denied because they were aborigines.  Claiming that skin colour is somehow different is a weird private language that is inconsistent with common usage.  Why don&#8217;t you go and tell Muhummad Ali he ain&#8217;t black?  He might have a punch or two left in him yet. .<br />
4 &#8211; Proof linked to above, repeatedly..</p>
<p>Stalinist courts &#8211; I&#8217;m assuming, perhaps wrongly, that if this reaches the courts and they find for the complainants, you will just regard them as part of the same communist influenced wet liberal pansy conspiracy.</p>
<p>Irrefutable fact.  You said a fact is something irrefutable.  You haven&#8217;t been able to produce a single thing you regard as irrefutable, or to say what type of evidence you would accept to say that you are wrong.</p>
<p>Instead, you have blamed the Aboriginal people, and tried to discredit the reputable news sources that provide facts that are inconvenient to you.  This twisted approach and attempt to justify subhuman treatment of Aborigines (blacks!) shows to me that you are a stranger to the truth.  You have no standard for accepting evidence that you disagree with.</p>
<p>And that really is the key.  You cannot accept any evidence that contradicts your worldview.  You would rather heap abuse on a bunch of innocent young people, thereby contributing to the oppression they have suffered.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422801</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Incoherence is it’s own reward, eh Redbaiter?&quot;

Not at all you thick idiot. I&#039;m trying to demonstrate to you that the claim that discrimination is based on skin colour is a liberal fabrication. A left wing myth. How have you &quot;established&quot; that I am &quot;a stranger to the truth&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Incoherence is it’s own reward, eh Redbaiter?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not at all you thick idiot. I&#8217;m trying to demonstrate to you that the claim that discrimination is based on skin colour is a liberal fabrication. A left wing myth. How have you &#8220;established&#8221; that I am &#8220;a stranger to the truth&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/03/racism_in_alice_springs.html#comment-422798</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The problem with your point remains the same: it still to leaves you to explain why “liberal” welfare and their whole social construct should affect indigenous people in this way to such a greater extent than the rest of us - so far, you haven’t.&quot;

That&#039;s because I don&#039;t need to as I don&#039;t agree with the premise. The reasons that it has affected Aborigines are manifold, however if you check back up the page to a few of my web references on the issue, you might find the information you seek.  (killing softly or whatever) Really Milt, I have no inclination to argue with a leftist who censors posts/ responses on his web page. I will do most people the courtesy of argument, but I draw the line at those who have demonstrated they have so little respect for freedom of expression that they would gag anyone they disagreed with if they had the power. Go and argue with someone else. I do not afford you any legitimacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The problem with your point remains the same: it still to leaves you to explain why “liberal” welfare and their whole social construct should affect indigenous people in this way to such a greater extent than the rest of us &#8211; so far, you haven’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because I don&#8217;t need to as I don&#8217;t agree with the premise. The reasons that it has affected Aborigines are manifold, however if you check back up the page to a few of my web references on the issue, you might find the information you seek.  (killing softly or whatever) Really Milt, I have no inclination to argue with a leftist who censors posts/ responses on his web page. I will do most people the courtesy of argument, but I draw the line at those who have demonstrated they have so little respect for freedom of expression that they would gag anyone they disagreed with if they had the power. Go and argue with someone else. I do not afford you any legitimacy.</p>
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