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		<title>By: Brian (Shadowfoot)</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/and_the_majors.html#comment-441093</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian (Shadowfoot)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m another person who would prefer no funding for political parties. I&#039;d be happy if these discussions were all about cap to spend spam^h^h^h^h promoting political parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m another person who would prefer no funding for political parties. I&#8217;d be happy if these discussions were all about cap to spend spam^h^h^h^h promoting political parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ghostwhowalks3 says: 
 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Dont be a twat Rex.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With a preface like that, we must be about to gain the benefits of GWW3&#039;s vast experience in the political arena...

&lt;blockquote&gt;The EFA has nothing to do with the broadcasting funding, which has been in this bi partisan format for ages.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Uh, yeah... I know. I was merely making the point that National could, if it wanted to be bold and innovative, redress the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; imbalances created by the Act by giving up some of its air time, which I don&#039;t think will do it much good anyway.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Apart from the 1 Jan date and a few minor other changes national would be very happy with EFA, since they are well aware the boot does get on to the other foot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Uh, yeah... I agree with you. In fact I said as much in my first sentence. Oh wait... I &lt;i&gt;agreed&lt;/i&gt; with you. Now that &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; make me a twat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ghostwhowalks3 says: </p>
<blockquote><p>Dont be a twat Rex.</p></blockquote>
<p>With a preface like that, we must be about to gain the benefits of GWW3&#8242;s vast experience in the political arena&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>The EFA has nothing to do with the broadcasting funding, which has been in this bi partisan format for ages.</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh, yeah&#8230; I know. I was merely making the point that National could, if it wanted to be bold and innovative, redress the <i>other</i> imbalances created by the Act by giving up some of its air time, which I don&#8217;t think will do it much good anyway.</p>
<blockquote><p>Apart from the 1 Jan date and a few minor other changes national would be very happy with EFA, since they are well aware the boot does get on to the other foot.</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh, yeah&#8230; I agree with you. In fact I said as much in my first sentence. Oh wait&#8230; I <i>agreed</i> with you. Now that <i>does</i> make me a twat.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostwhowalks3</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostwhowalks3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dont be a twat Rex.

The EFA has nothing to do with the broadcasting funding, which has been in this bi partisan format for ages.

Apart from the  1 Jan date and a few minor other changes national would be very happy with EFA, since they are well aware the boot does get on to the other foot.

Pushmepullme your question is easily answered , in 2002 National got 20.9% of the vote while Labour got  41.2 %

Surprised ? Not as surprised as DPF was at the time.
But the 2005 broadcasting funding  was only  10- 12 % different. 
 Which comes to the same amount national stole   by not paying the GST
Surprised

[DPF: Strangely Ghost is not a Spokesperson for National so his pronouncements on what National would be happy with should be given the same credibility as Parekura Horomia on kids missing breakfast. And Labour had 22.2% more broadcasting funding than National last time, so the extra 12.5% is not &quot;the same amount&quot; so once again Ghost lies]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont be a twat Rex.</p>
<p>The EFA has nothing to do with the broadcasting funding, which has been in this bi partisan format for ages.</p>
<p>Apart from the  1 Jan date and a few minor other changes national would be very happy with EFA, since they are well aware the boot does get on to the other foot.</p>
<p>Pushmepullme your question is easily answered , in 2002 National got 20.9% of the vote while Labour got  41.2 %</p>
<p>Surprised ? Not as surprised as DPF was at the time.<br />
But the 2005 broadcasting funding  was only  10- 12 % different.<br />
 Which comes to the same amount national stole   by not paying the GST<br />
Surprised</p>
<p>[DPF: Strangely Ghost is not a Spokesperson for National so his pronouncements on what National would be happy with should be given the same credibility as Parekura Horomia on kids missing breakfast. And Labour had 22.2% more broadcasting funding than National last time, so the extra 12.5% is not "the same amount" so once again Ghost lies]</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/and_the_majors.html#comment-441049</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>berend: Exactly. Tweedledum and Tweedledee line up for another helping of taxpayer funded pie and expect the thin kids to miss out. As Gooner, Red and gd have said, it&#039;s just political welfarism. If National and Labour, after all their years of existence and all their years in power, haven&#039;t got the monetary or physical support to run a campaign by now then clearly not many people &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; support them. Sure they&#039;ll toddle off to the polls come election day and vote for one or the other, but ask them to put their hand in their pocket or turn out and bang up some billboards and their support doesn&#039;t run that deep.

Only a new party which hasn&#039;t had the opportunity to promote its philosophy to the public can justify requesting any public funding for advertising - because political discourse benefits from having a variety of voices. If, once they&#039;ve made clear what they stand for, no one is buying then it&#039;s time to fold up the tent or fund your own propaganda.

Edit: I just had a thought. Who really watches these &quot;party political broadcasts&quot; anyway? Ours are rarely attack ads, which at least have the redeeming feature of being entertaining. They&#039;re always worthy and dull.

So if National were capable of thinking outside the square, it&#039;d be offering some of its allocation to the smaller parties and saying &quot;we&#039;re doing this because we oppose the EFA and think everyone deserves a voice and because we believe that what we have to say is so compelling that it&#039;ll eclipse Labour&#039;s offering - and we don&#039;t need to drone on forever to do it&quot;. &lt;i&gt;That&lt;/i&gt; might get people to pay some attention, at least, and show they were more than just unprincipled snouts-in-the-trough pollies like the rest of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>berend: Exactly. Tweedledum and Tweedledee line up for another helping of taxpayer funded pie and expect the thin kids to miss out. As Gooner, Red and gd have said, it&#8217;s just political welfarism. If National and Labour, after all their years of existence and all their years in power, haven&#8217;t got the monetary or physical support to run a campaign by now then clearly not many people <i>really</i> support them. Sure they&#8217;ll toddle off to the polls come election day and vote for one or the other, but ask them to put their hand in their pocket or turn out and bang up some billboards and their support doesn&#8217;t run that deep.</p>
<p>Only a new party which hasn&#8217;t had the opportunity to promote its philosophy to the public can justify requesting any public funding for advertising &#8211; because political discourse benefits from having a variety of voices. If, once they&#8217;ve made clear what they stand for, no one is buying then it&#8217;s time to fold up the tent or fund your own propaganda.</p>
<p>Edit: I just had a thought. Who really watches these &#8220;party political broadcasts&#8221; anyway? Ours are rarely attack ads, which at least have the redeeming feature of being entertaining. They&#8217;re always worthy and dull.</p>
<p>So if National were capable of thinking outside the square, it&#8217;d be offering some of its allocation to the smaller parties and saying &#8220;we&#8217;re doing this because we oppose the EFA and think everyone deserves a voice and because we believe that what we have to say is so compelling that it&#8217;ll eclipse Labour&#8217;s offering &#8211; and we don&#8217;t need to drone on forever to do it&#8221;. <i>That</i> might get people to pay some attention, at least, and show they were more than just unprincipled snouts-in-the-trough pollies like the rest of them.</p>
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		<title>By: berend</title>
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		<dc:creator>berend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How surprising, Labour and National want the same thing. Exactly the same amount of money from the public pursue. And deny other parties the opportunity to buy anymore advertising. What a disgusting show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How surprising, Labour and National want the same thing. Exactly the same amount of money from the public pursue. And deny other parties the opportunity to buy anymore advertising. What a disgusting show.</p>
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		<title>By: Gooner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gooner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear redbaiter.  Going cap in hand to the government to spend your own money on TV &amp; Radio ads is so...........communist China or USSR, especially when people like John Boscawen can spend hos own money buying ads!!  If he can why can&#039;t PARLIAMENTARY POLITICAL PARTIES!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear redbaiter.  Going cap in hand to the government to spend your own money on TV &amp; Radio ads is so&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..communist China or USSR, especially when people like John Boscawen can spend hos own money buying ads!!  If he can why can&#8217;t PARLIAMENTARY POLITICAL PARTIES!!!</p>
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		<title>By: pushmepullu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pushmepullu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gd, you seem to be taking your deserved cynicism towards the Greens, Labour and their lickspittles and directing it toward all politicians.  There are good people in Parliament in the ACT and National parties who have not and will never betray the trust of New Zealanders.  They don&#039;t deserve to be lumped in with Liarbour and its lackeys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gd, you seem to be taking your deserved cynicism towards the Greens, Labour and their lickspittles and directing it toward all politicians.  There are good people in Parliament in the ACT and National parties who have not and will never betray the trust of New Zealanders.  They don&#8217;t deserve to be lumped in with Liarbour and its lackeys.</p>
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		<title>By: gd</title>
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		<dc:creator>gd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I object to any of these bastards getting any of my taxes. Its political welfare and they are a bunch of beneficaries.

At the very least they should have to sign a contract and undated letters of resignation.

The conditions are that they publish ( cost included  in their EFA advertising) a manifesto with timelines and costs.

If they fail to meet the terms and conditions then their letters of resignation are dated.

Same as applied in other contractual scenarios.

This would concerntrate their minds on the task of governing the country a task that is very low if it appears at all on their list of things to do.

We should also demand a set of KPIs  be included in the contract.

Again nothing radical Just hold them to the same standard as most others in the work force are held too/


Ohh Of course I forgot They are the political class  Above the mere peasants afterall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I object to any of these bastards getting any of my taxes. Its political welfare and they are a bunch of beneficaries.</p>
<p>At the very least they should have to sign a contract and undated letters of resignation.</p>
<p>The conditions are that they publish ( cost included  in their EFA advertising) a manifesto with timelines and costs.</p>
<p>If they fail to meet the terms and conditions then their letters of resignation are dated.</p>
<p>Same as applied in other contractual scenarios.</p>
<p>This would concerntrate their minds on the task of governing the country a task that is very low if it appears at all on their list of things to do.</p>
<p>We should also demand a set of KPIs  be included in the contract.</p>
<p>Again nothing radical Just hold them to the same standard as most others in the work force are held too/</p>
<p>Ohh Of course I forgot They are the political class  Above the mere peasants afterall.</p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fucken quagmire. Typical unworkable socialist bullshit. The obvious way to deal with this issue is to have NO GOVERNMENT FUNDING and NO RESTRICTIONS on advertising. Lets have a real election, unfettered by nerd like attempts to make everything impossibly &quot;fair.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fucken quagmire. Typical unworkable socialist bullshit. The obvious way to deal with this issue is to have NO GOVERNMENT FUNDING and NO RESTRICTIONS on advertising. Lets have a real election, unfettered by nerd like attempts to make everything impossibly &#8220;fair.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pushmepullu</title>
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		<dc:creator>pushmepullu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it seems everybody agrees that National and Labour should get the same.  Can we then move on to the harder question - if National get a much bigger share of the vote than Labour this year, say 45% to Labour&#039;s 30%, should National get more $$$?  I think so, but Labour would doubtless argue that they are both still in the same tier.

I realise this isn&#039;t the issue at hand, but I think it&#039;s best that we start discussing it now.

IMO, providing that the figures are as the polls predict they will be, National should get twice Labour&#039;s entitlement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it seems everybody agrees that National and Labour should get the same.  Can we then move on to the harder question &#8211; if National get a much bigger share of the vote than Labour this year, say 45% to Labour&#8217;s 30%, should National get more $$$?  I think so, but Labour would doubtless argue that they are both still in the same tier.</p>
<p>I realise this isn&#8217;t the issue at hand, but I think it&#8217;s best that we start discussing it now.</p>
<p>IMO, providing that the figures are as the polls predict they will be, National should get twice Labour&#8217;s entitlement</p>
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