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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434281</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;grand conspiracy within the Labour ranks&quot;?? Ha, &quot;I would make a great Labour Prime Minister&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;grand conspiracy within the Labour ranks&#8221;?? Ha, &#8220;I would make a great Labour Prime Minister&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434261</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Absolute Power true before it has even come out? Why do I think it&#039;s going to be David Icke all over again...

This &#039;theft&#039; was in the public interest, but people want the person prosecuted...are these the same people who wanted the guy who shot up the car of those burglars lets off?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Absolute Power true before it has even come out? Why do I think it&#8217;s going to be David Icke all over again&#8230;</p>
<p>This &#8216;theft&#8217; was in the public interest, but people want the person prosecuted&#8230;are these the same people who wanted the guy who shot up the car of those burglars lets off?</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434259</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bevan: &lt;i&gt;The last thing ANY National MP would want is confidential emails in the public domain as it would hurt the party too much. Imagine if Cullen leaked a huge proportion of Clarks emails to ‘get rid of her’. The amount of damage it would do to the party would far outway any gain Cullen could make.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with that. I can see them releasing emails that would affect only Clark, but something that would affect Clark and Labour? Especially for years to come? 

Nah, that&#039;s just too much of a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bevan: <i>The last thing ANY National MP would want is confidential emails in the public domain as it would hurt the party too much. Imagine if Cullen leaked a huge proportion of Clarks emails to ‘get rid of her’. The amount of damage it would do to the party would far outway any gain Cullen could make.</i></p>
<p>I agree with that. I can see them releasing emails that would affect only Clark, but something that would affect Clark and Labour? Especially for years to come? </p>
<p>Nah, that&#8217;s just too much of a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434257</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonic
&lt;i&gt;Only leading members of the National Party &lt;b&gt;and the IT Department&lt;/b&gt; had access to this stuff, you should all thank Hager for having enough principles not to reveal his source.
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Thought you needed a correction there sonic, wouldnt want you to come across as an idiot who doesnt think through things before posting.

&lt;i&gt;Christ David, this is desperate. It was an inside job and you know it.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree, inside the IT Department. The only desperation here is you trying to paint some grand conspiracy within the Labour ranks. The last thing ANY National MP would want is confidential emails in the public domain as it would hurt the party too much. Imagine if Cullen leaked a huge proportion of Clarks emails to &#039;get rid of her&#039;. The amount of damage it would do to the party would far outway any gain Cullen could make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonic<br />
<i>Only leading members of the National Party <b>and the IT Department</b> had access to this stuff, you should all thank Hager for having enough principles not to reveal his source.<br />
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<p>Thought you needed a correction there sonic, wouldnt want you to come across as an idiot who doesnt think through things before posting.</p>
<p><i>Christ David, this is desperate. It was an inside job and you know it.</i></p>
<p>I agree, inside the IT Department. The only desperation here is you trying to paint some grand conspiracy within the Labour ranks. The last thing ANY National MP would want is confidential emails in the public domain as it would hurt the party too much. Imagine if Cullen leaked a huge proportion of Clarks emails to &#8216;get rid of her&#8217;. The amount of damage it would do to the party would far outway any gain Cullen could make.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dalley</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434218</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dalley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morning to you too D4J, not had yor Muesli yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning to you too D4J, not had yor Muesli yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434189</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police should speak to Hagar. It is as simple as that. As for Tane and the rest of them - where is the proof that it was leaked, not stolen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police should speak to Hagar. It is as simple as that. As for Tane and the rest of them &#8211; where is the proof that it was leaked, not stolen?</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the imortal words of Helen Clark, Didums.&quot;

At least you could put another d in diddums Dalley you doh brained communist queer.

&quot;Look closer to home guys, the truth will set you free.&quot;

Yes Dalley, I can&#039;t wait for the book Absolute Power to reveal the truth you mashed spud brained lemon !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the imortal words of Helen Clark, Didums.&#8221;</p>
<p>At least you could put another d in diddums Dalley you doh brained communist queer.</p>
<p>&#8220;Look closer to home guys, the truth will set you free.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes Dalley, I can&#8217;t wait for the book Absolute Power to reveal the truth you mashed spud brained lemon !!</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;E-mail thieves got away with it.&quot;

Christ David, this is desperate. It was an inside job and you know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;E-mail thieves got away with it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Christ David, this is desperate. It was an inside job and you know it.</p>
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		<title>By: farfetched</title>
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		<dc:creator>farfetched</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that would also explain why he dropped the legal challenge BlairM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that would also explain why he dropped the legal challenge BlairM</p>
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		<title>By: John Dalley</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434165</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dalley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the imortal words of Helen Clark, Didums. 
You poor right wingers don&#039;t want to admit that the emails where pasted on by a disgruntled National Voter that saw Brash as the Tosser/Wife-cheater he was.
opr could that be a Jk supporter looking to roll Dapper Don because he was a complete twat.
Look closer to home guys, the truth will set you free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the imortal words of Helen Clark, Didums.<br />
You poor right wingers don&#8217;t want to admit that the emails where pasted on by a disgruntled National Voter that saw Brash as the Tosser/Wife-cheater he was.<br />
opr could that be a Jk supporter looking to roll Dapper Don because he was a complete twat.<br />
Look closer to home guys, the truth will set you free.</p>
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		<title>By: BlairM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434162</link>
		<dc:creator>BlairM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has it occurred to anyone else that it might just have been his wife?  She&#039;d have way more motive than anyone else...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has it occurred to anyone else that it might just have been his wife?  She&#8217;d have way more motive than anyone else&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaulL raises a good point about emails forming a part of the public record of the Administration. Does anyone know if they are legally required to be retained?

Re: Hagar&#039;s liability for the crime of receiving, is it possible he avoids prosecution because of some aspect of constitutional or  media law that is designed to protect free speech, whistleblowers or journalists? It&#039;s such an obvious charge that surely the Police have got a reason for not following it up. Has any journo asked them why they haven&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulL raises a good point about emails forming a part of the public record of the Administration. Does anyone know if they are legally required to be retained?</p>
<p>Re: Hagar&#8217;s liability for the crime of receiving, is it possible he avoids prosecution because of some aspect of constitutional or  media law that is designed to protect free speech, whistleblowers or journalists? It&#8217;s such an obvious charge that surely the Police have got a reason for not following it up. Has any journo asked them why they haven&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: noskire</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434155</link>
		<dc:creator>noskire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the Police close the file if National was in Government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would the Police close the file if National was in Government?</p>
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		<title>By: sonic</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434154</link>
		<dc:creator>sonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also nice to see the champions of free speech try and shut down all investigative journalism by calling a leak &quot;theft&quot;

Only leading members of the National Party had access to this stuff, you should all thank Hager for having enough principles not to reveal his source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also nice to see the champions of free speech try and shut down all investigative journalism by calling a leak &#8220;theft&#8221;</p>
<p>Only leading members of the National Party had access to this stuff, you should all thank Hager for having enough principles not to reveal his source.</p>
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		<title>By: tim barclay</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim barclay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have difficulty seeing why Hager is not being prosecuted having profited from material that has been obtained through an illegal act.  He is in essence a receiver.  He must have known he was the beneficiary of material that he was not entitled to have.  So he went on and  wrote a book and profited from that material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have difficulty seeing why Hager is not being prosecuted having profited from material that has been obtained through an illegal act.  He is in essence a receiver.  He must have known he was the beneficiary of material that he was not entitled to have.  So he went on and  wrote a book and profited from that material.</p>
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		<title>By: GPT1</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434150</link>
		<dc:creator>GPT1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hager has a degree of cheek that is almost commendable to demand an apology.  The article read that the police are closing the file because they cannot find the thief not because it was legitimate.  Shouldn&#039;t he apologise for using stolen property (even if innocently)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hager has a degree of cheek that is almost commendable to demand an apology.  The article read that the police are closing the file because they cannot find the thief not because it was legitimate.  Shouldn&#8217;t he apologise for using stolen property (even if innocently)?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack5</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/e-mail_thieves_got_away_with_it.html#comment-434149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In correspondence on paper,  isn&#039;t the copyright owned by the sender?

If so,  surely the same applies to email. If it is sent to one or more named  addressees,  doesn&#039;t the copyright remain the property of the sender?

And stealing copyright must be like stealing other property? 

Are there any patent attorneys following this blog who can  help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In correspondence on paper,  isn&#8217;t the copyright owned by the sender?</p>
<p>If so,  surely the same applies to email. If it is sent to one or more named  addressees,  doesn&#8217;t the copyright remain the property of the sender?</p>
<p>And stealing copyright must be like stealing other property? </p>
<p>Are there any patent attorneys following this blog who can  help?</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Swampash, if the e-mails were on paper, the paper was stolen.  Someone was deprived of that paper.  Stealing it is.

I doubt very much it was Bill, or that it was John Key.  Brian Connelly maybe, but he was already putting the knife into Brash&#039;s front, why put it in his back as well?

The only story I have heard that even remotely sounds believable was the one of the aggrieved secretary/EA in Don Brash&#039;s office.  Wouldn&#039;t surprise me at all if Don was having all his e-mails printed and he read them that way - fits my picture of the man.  Plenty of opportunity there.  Not much to make noise about.

Nicky Hager definitely received something he wasn&#039;t entitled to.  Maybe that is appropriate as a &quot;whistle-blower&quot; or some such, but really out of the supposed reams of e-mails that he received he produced no smoking gun, no dirt really at all other than the normal goings-on in a political party.  If we had a dump of all Helen Clark&#039;s e-mails I very much doubt we&#039;d find her to be squeaky clean either.  Sooner or later those chickens will come home to roost - there is a hell of a lot of dirt surrounding the dying days of this government, and once they are out of power it will all come out.  Clark has made plenty of enemies in the media with the way they have been managed - there are a lot of stories that were squashed for fear of upsetting her and losing all future access.  Journalists want to tell those stories...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Swampash, if the e-mails were on paper, the paper was stolen.  Someone was deprived of that paper.  Stealing it is.</p>
<p>I doubt very much it was Bill, or that it was John Key.  Brian Connelly maybe, but he was already putting the knife into Brash&#8217;s front, why put it in his back as well?</p>
<p>The only story I have heard that even remotely sounds believable was the one of the aggrieved secretary/EA in Don Brash&#8217;s office.  Wouldn&#8217;t surprise me at all if Don was having all his e-mails printed and he read them that way &#8211; fits my picture of the man.  Plenty of opportunity there.  Not much to make noise about.</p>
<p>Nicky Hager definitely received something he wasn&#8217;t entitled to.  Maybe that is appropriate as a &#8220;whistle-blower&#8221; or some such, but really out of the supposed reams of e-mails that he received he produced no smoking gun, no dirt really at all other than the normal goings-on in a political party.  If we had a dump of all Helen Clark&#8217;s e-mails I very much doubt we&#8217;d find her to be squeaky clean either.  Sooner or later those chickens will come home to roost &#8211; there is a hell of a lot of dirt surrounding the dying days of this government, and once they are out of power it will all come out.  Clark has made plenty of enemies in the media with the way they have been managed &#8211; there are a lot of stories that were squashed for fear of upsetting her and losing all future access.  Journalists want to tell those stories&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Right of way is Way of Right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right of way is Way of Right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with everything else they did last election, Labour attacked the messenger, not the message.   They seem to think what worked so well for them last time will work again.   However, they need to remember that John Key is not a younger version of Don Brash, and he was a success in a field where the weak do not survive.  He was a success in the real world, not the world of academia.   He provided results, not thesis and theories!


This party is entirely bereft of new ideas, all they can do so far is parrot all the policy they have already put in to force, and tax cuts, whuch National have been espousing for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with everything else they did last election, Labour attacked the messenger, not the message.   They seem to think what worked so well for them last time will work again.   However, they need to remember that John Key is not a younger version of Don Brash, and he was a success in a field where the weak do not survive.  He was a success in the real world, not the world of academia.   He provided results, not thesis and theories!</p>
<p>This party is entirely bereft of new ideas, all they can do so far is parrot all the policy they have already put in to force, and tax cuts, whuch National have been espousing for years.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sonic thinks everything is free in a stolen socialist kiwi generation.</description>
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