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		<title>By: Wingate</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434891</link>
		<dc:creator>Wingate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 04:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal makes a good point that New Zealanders are starting to wake up to the fact our managers of government are too often crooks. But then the likes of BoomTownPrat thinks Mr Hager should be written off because his views are narrow and sees &quot;plots: evil private enterprise; unscrupulous banks; lying public relations companies; a sinister SIS&quot;  

For those of us who have been around the system for 30 years find it sad people close their eyes to what is actually going on in not just NZ but in many other countries.  Our leaders fail us.  I attach a letter I just sent to Dr Pita Sharples and it deals with a living example of the times we live in. This letter covers just part of serious issues those in power are trying to hide and hope will go away. 

Government is a trust structure for the people but sadly it has become a business to deliver the connected what they want. If Hager has any faults it&#039;s the fact he has not even got down to the real picture, the immunity those who run our country are covered under. Because if you want to find the wall of arrogance you need look no further. They are the very tools cover-ups and hidden agenda use to keep under the radar of the ordinary public.  We have serious problems and I fear the ignorance of the average voting kiwi will feel the issues will be dealt with by voting for another team to manage the show. 

Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:45 PM
Subject: Matakana Island


Tena koe Dr Pita Sharples

Thank you for your letter dated 10 March together with the attached letter of Attorney General Dr Cullen dated 7 February 2008.

Dr Cullen&#039;s letter states, the legal matters have been fully considered by the Courts. This is something the Attorney-General&#039;s office has been saying for sometime. But they miss the point of my complaint each time. My complaint is the Courts knowingly and intentionally changed various facts that cost Arklow its legal rights. Put simply, the Courts wrote a judgement that was wrong and is a fiction. I understand they did this to allow the Maori defendants to keep the Matakana land. I cannot find any law that allows judges to do this. Clearly they have failed their duty of care. In both the Court of Appeal and Privy Council the point was made by the defence that maybe the bank erred in their duty to Wingate Arklow, but the overriding and important point was the sacred land was now in the ownership of the traditional land owners. 

I note with interest what Lord Cooke said in his Harkness Henry speech to fellow judges. He said that the wrongs committed by the Waitangi breaches need not only legislative assistance to correct but that is was up to the judges to do all they can to correct past wrongs. My point and my complaint is that Arklow has been a victim of that policy. Can you please address this issue with Dr Cullen. The main question is; Is it acceptable to the Government for judges to change findings of fact and are the judges obligated to a degree of accuracy when writing their judgments.

The other point I raised with you was seeking to know how in law can the leaders of Ngaiterangi iwi be leaders of the Tauranga Maori community, then when they obtain a business benefit for the people they represent, they ignore their fiduciary duty and take the gain for themselves. That would be like the Prime Minister and the cabinet setting up private companies to take advantage of crown business at the loss for the people who trust them the leadership role. In any area of law, those type of conflicts are not allowed. Can you please address this issue and provide me with the solution. As you would know the people of Tauranga are outraged asking how this could happen. If you require more information please let me know and I will help.

As for the death inquiry of Sonny Tawhiao, the INDEPENDENT POLICE CONDUCT AUTHORITY are looking into the original police inquiry. But again, I find a complete fiduciary failure with getting any government assistance with complaints. I write to the Government complaining about faults in the Crown system, and I seek help, but they ignore the wrong-doing and they ignore my complaint. That behavior is something they have done to Maori for more than 100 years but it appears they now do it to the rest of the citizens. Maori are not the only victims of Crown mistakes. I appreciate more than most what it has cost Maori. But it has cost me and my family our lovely home of 20 years, our income, and my belief in the quality of our Crown system of government.


Heoi ano

Christopher Wingate

Background from http://courtsofappeal.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal makes a good point that New Zealanders are starting to wake up to the fact our managers of government are too often crooks. But then the likes of BoomTownPrat thinks Mr Hager should be written off because his views are narrow and sees &#8220;plots: evil private enterprise; unscrupulous banks; lying public relations companies; a sinister SIS&#8221;  </p>
<p>For those of us who have been around the system for 30 years find it sad people close their eyes to what is actually going on in not just NZ but in many other countries.  Our leaders fail us.  I attach a letter I just sent to Dr Pita Sharples and it deals with a living example of the times we live in. This letter covers just part of serious issues those in power are trying to hide and hope will go away. </p>
<p>Government is a trust structure for the people but sadly it has become a business to deliver the connected what they want. If Hager has any faults it&#8217;s the fact he has not even got down to the real picture, the immunity those who run our country are covered under. Because if you want to find the wall of arrogance you need look no further. They are the very tools cover-ups and hidden agenda use to keep under the radar of the ordinary public.  We have serious problems and I fear the ignorance of the average voting kiwi will feel the issues will be dealt with by voting for another team to manage the show. </p>
<p>Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:45 PM<br />
Subject: Matakana Island</p>
<p>Tena koe Dr Pita Sharples</p>
<p>Thank you for your letter dated 10 March together with the attached letter of Attorney General Dr Cullen dated 7 February 2008.</p>
<p>Dr Cullen&#8217;s letter states, the legal matters have been fully considered by the Courts. This is something the Attorney-General&#8217;s office has been saying for sometime. But they miss the point of my complaint each time. My complaint is the Courts knowingly and intentionally changed various facts that cost Arklow its legal rights. Put simply, the Courts wrote a judgement that was wrong and is a fiction. I understand they did this to allow the Maori defendants to keep the Matakana land. I cannot find any law that allows judges to do this. Clearly they have failed their duty of care. In both the Court of Appeal and Privy Council the point was made by the defence that maybe the bank erred in their duty to Wingate Arklow, but the overriding and important point was the sacred land was now in the ownership of the traditional land owners. </p>
<p>I note with interest what Lord Cooke said in his Harkness Henry speech to fellow judges. He said that the wrongs committed by the Waitangi breaches need not only legislative assistance to correct but that is was up to the judges to do all they can to correct past wrongs. My point and my complaint is that Arklow has been a victim of that policy. Can you please address this issue with Dr Cullen. The main question is; Is it acceptable to the Government for judges to change findings of fact and are the judges obligated to a degree of accuracy when writing their judgments.</p>
<p>The other point I raised with you was seeking to know how in law can the leaders of Ngaiterangi iwi be leaders of the Tauranga Maori community, then when they obtain a business benefit for the people they represent, they ignore their fiduciary duty and take the gain for themselves. That would be like the Prime Minister and the cabinet setting up private companies to take advantage of crown business at the loss for the people who trust them the leadership role. In any area of law, those type of conflicts are not allowed. Can you please address this issue and provide me with the solution. As you would know the people of Tauranga are outraged asking how this could happen. If you require more information please let me know and I will help.</p>
<p>As for the death inquiry of Sonny Tawhiao, the INDEPENDENT POLICE CONDUCT AUTHORITY are looking into the original police inquiry. But again, I find a complete fiduciary failure with getting any government assistance with complaints. I write to the Government complaining about faults in the Crown system, and I seek help, but they ignore the wrong-doing and they ignore my complaint. That behavior is something they have done to Maori for more than 100 years but it appears they now do it to the rest of the citizens. Maori are not the only victims of Crown mistakes. I appreciate more than most what it has cost Maori. But it has cost me and my family our lovely home of 20 years, our income, and my belief in the quality of our Crown system of government.</p>
<p>Heoi ano</p>
<p>Christopher Wingate</p>
<p>Background from <a href="http://courtsofappeal.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://courtsofappeal.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434874</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..[DPF: Only two staff had access to the e-mail, and I agree if it was one of them it is a leak, but there was no way it was either of them, as both were personally very loyal to Brash]..&quot;

so that narrows it down to those who stood to gain most..

at question-time on wednesday..goff accused english of being the leaker..

english just sat with eyes downcast..and didn&#039;t reply to the accusation..

(thanks for &#039;airing&#039; all this again..dpf..

it&#039;s good to remind everyone just before an election that national will say anything/lie through their teeth..to get elected..

and are always brimming with secret agendas..

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..[DPF: Only two staff had access to the e-mail, and I agree if it was one of them it is a leak, but there was no way it was either of them, as both were personally very loyal to Brash]..&#8221;</p>
<p>so that narrows it down to those who stood to gain most..</p>
<p>at question-time on wednesday..goff accused english of being the leaker..</p>
<p>english just sat with eyes downcast..and didn&#8217;t reply to the accusation..</p>
<p>(thanks for &#8216;airing&#8217; all this again..dpf..</p>
<p>it&#8217;s good to remind everyone just before an election that national will say anything/lie through their teeth..to get elected..</p>
<p>and are always brimming with secret agendas..</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434648</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on jaffapety this thread is soooooooooooooooooo &quot;yesterday&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on jaffapety this thread is soooooooooooooooooo &#8220;yesterday&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jafapete</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434646</link>
		<dc:creator>jafapete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vto: &quot;I see in our morning paper several letters calling Clark and co bullies for the way they try to call Key names. The letters describe the labour govt as disrespectful bullies and as setting a very very bad example for the nations youth etc etc.&quot;

Yes, smacks of an orchestrated campaign here doesn&#039;t it just! And your sudden leap to &quot;the mood of the people&quot; would do Hannity proud (a favourite line, when raising a new issue himself, being, &quot;The people want to know...).

Come on, do you think we were born yesterday?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vto: &#8220;I see in our morning paper several letters calling Clark and co bullies for the way they try to call Key names. The letters describe the labour govt as disrespectful bullies and as setting a very very bad example for the nations youth etc etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, smacks of an orchestrated campaign here doesn&#8217;t it just! And your sudden leap to &#8220;the mood of the people&#8221; would do Hannity proud (a favourite line, when raising a new issue himself, being, &#8220;The people want to know&#8230;).</p>
<p>Come on, do you think we were born yesterday?</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434632</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see in our morning paper several letters calling Clark and co bullies for the way they try to call Key names. The letters describe the labour govt as disrespectful bullies and as setting a very very bad example for the nations youth etc etc. Basically, the labour govt&#039;s tactic of attacking the messenger is backfiring. They misjudge again the mood of the people.

So surely that is evidence of weaknesses in the labour lots political armoury that can be exploited. Clark&#039;s bullying and name-calling (which is just verbal violence. remember &quot;Its not ok&quot;?). Cullen&#039;s arrogance and spitefulness and nasty meanness. etc etc. Perhaps its time that the past utterances of Clark Cullen et al are brought up to remind the people of NZ what this lot actually think like and how they approach their job / obsession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see in our morning paper several letters calling Clark and co bullies for the way they try to call Key names. The letters describe the labour govt as disrespectful bullies and as setting a very very bad example for the nations youth etc etc. Basically, the labour govt&#8217;s tactic of attacking the messenger is backfiring. They misjudge again the mood of the people.</p>
<p>So surely that is evidence of weaknesses in the labour lots political armoury that can be exploited. Clark&#8217;s bullying and name-calling (which is just verbal violence. remember &#8220;Its not ok&#8221;?). Cullen&#8217;s arrogance and spitefulness and nasty meanness. etc etc. Perhaps its time that the past utterances of Clark Cullen et al are brought up to remind the people of NZ what this lot actually think like and how they approach their job / obsession.</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434562</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean off course &quot;.. that might be part of why she&#039;s so dangerous.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean off course &#8220;.. that might be part of why she&#8217;s so dangerous.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jafapete</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434559</link>
		<dc:creator>jafapete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks vto, Did you see the previous day&#039;s -- The Signs of the Apocalypse, which features the four Labour songbirds? Hilarious.

BTW, Clark always was obsessed. But that might be part of why she&#039;s done so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks vto, Did you see the previous day&#8217;s &#8212; The Signs of the Apocalypse, which features the four Labour songbirds? Hilarious.</p>
<p>BTW, Clark always was obsessed. But that might be part of why she&#8217;s done so well.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434558</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear mrs jaffapetra, is the Liarbour storm tears of sorrow or just plain say it don&#039;t spray it spittle?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear mrs jaffapetra, is the Liarbour storm tears of sorrow or just plain say it don&#8217;t spray it spittle?</p>
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		<title>By: vto</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434556</link>
		<dc:creator>vto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a good cartoon mrs jafapete. Sort of encapsulates how obsessed the prime ministre is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a good cartoon mrs jafapete. Sort of encapsulates how obsessed the prime ministre is.</p>
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		<title>By: jafapete</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434547</link>
		<dc:creator>jafapete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack5, Let me get this right... Brash was harassed and hectored by his political opponents on the other side of the House? Would someone like to help this man out with a lesson in the basics of politics?

&quot;the lefties who mobbed him are now the ones who are subdued and goofy looking.&quot; I guess you&#039;d have a lot of trouble understanding this cartoon in yesterday&#039;s Herlad then...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/500814/story.cfm?c_id=500814&amp;objectid=10504494</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack5, Let me get this right&#8230; Brash was harassed and hectored by his political opponents on the other side of the House? Would someone like to help this man out with a lesson in the basics of politics?</p>
<p>&#8220;the lefties who mobbed him are now the ones who are subdued and goofy looking.&#8221; I guess you&#8217;d have a lot of trouble understanding this cartoon in yesterday&#8217;s Herlad then&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/500814/story.cfm?c_id=500814&#038;objectid=10504494" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/500814/story.cfm?c_id=500814&#038;objectid=10504494</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jack5</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434539</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He wasn&#039;t naive and goofy. He was harassed and hectored, but the lefties who mobbed him are now the ones who are subdued and goofy looking. Mallard for a start. Clark soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He wasn&#8217;t naive and goofy. He was harassed and hectored, but the lefties who mobbed him are now the ones who are subdued and goofy looking. Mallard for a start. Clark soon.</p>
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		<title>By: jafapete</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434505</link>
		<dc:creator>jafapete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on &quot;The Hollow Men&quot; from NZPA: &quot;Don Brash is unhappy with a stage portrayal of his time as National leader which he says makes him look &quot;naive and goofy&quot;.&quot;

Oh to see ourselves as others do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on &#8220;The Hollow Men&#8221; from NZPA: &#8220;Don Brash is unhappy with a stage portrayal of his time as National leader which he says makes him look &#8220;naive and goofy&#8221;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh to see ourselves as others do.</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434501</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>go on d4j..!..just do it..!

&#039;unplug &#039;etc..

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go on d4j..!..just do it..!</p>
<p>&#8216;unplug &#8216;etc..</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434500</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple just unplug the computer and throw it into the offal pit. Not worth the stress when I can&#039;t stick up for a good man Don Brash without coping demerits. Hager is a #### !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple just unplug the computer and throw it into the offal pit. Not worth the stress when I can&#8217;t stick up for a good man Don Brash without coping demerits. Hager is a #### !!!</p>
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		<title>By: capills_enema</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434495</link>
		<dc:creator>capills_enema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but what ya gonna do? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but what ya gonna do? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434488</link>
		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a load of rot capill you know nothing of the justice system and evidence gathering in a CRIMINAL CASE such as this !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of rot capill you know nothing of the justice system and evidence gathering in a CRIMINAL CASE such as this !!</p>
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		<title>By: capills_enema</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hagers_spin.html#comment-434485</link>
		<dc:creator>capills_enema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 06:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this wailing and gnashing of teeth about where the emails came from is a funny thing. You people really are in a bubble, caring so much. The rest of us are just glad that some liars were unmasked, and that we got a fascinating insight into the workings of political parties in contemporary New Zealand... 

It all reminds me of when I sued a company, many years ago in capill&#039;s dim distant  past. They were telling lies about me in court - but little did they know that I had in my possession a fax that proved beyond all doubt that they were lying - and when I produced it they were rather shocked/stunned/appalled/embarrassed... and they immediately accused me of stealing the fax in question. 

Which was true. I &lt;i&gt;had&lt;/i&gt; snuck in there and lifted it. 

But guess what?  The judge didn&#039;t give one. She said to me (I was representing myself) &quot;if you like, mr enema, you can just refer to this paper as &#039;found evidence&#039;. Therefore you do not have to disclose where it&#039;s come from&quot;. 

To which mr enema said, with a smile: &quot;Good one. OK. I won&#039;t then&quot;. 

Same deal here, I believe. It&#039;s &#039;found evidence&#039;. The fact that the emails have come to light is SO much more important than the method by which they did so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this wailing and gnashing of teeth about where the emails came from is a funny thing. You people really are in a bubble, caring so much. The rest of us are just glad that some liars were unmasked, and that we got a fascinating insight into the workings of political parties in contemporary New Zealand&#8230; </p>
<p>It all reminds me of when I sued a company, many years ago in capill&#8217;s dim distant  past. They were telling lies about me in court &#8211; but little did they know that I had in my possession a fax that proved beyond all doubt that they were lying &#8211; and when I produced it they were rather shocked/stunned/appalled/embarrassed&#8230; and they immediately accused me of stealing the fax in question. </p>
<p>Which was true. I <i>had</i> snuck in there and lifted it. </p>
<p>But guess what?  The judge didn&#8217;t give one. She said to me (I was representing myself) &#8220;if you like, mr enema, you can just refer to this paper as &#8216;found evidence&#8217;. Therefore you do not have to disclose where it&#8217;s come from&#8221;. </p>
<p>To which mr enema said, with a smile: &#8220;Good one. OK. I won&#8217;t then&#8221;. </p>
<p>Same deal here, I believe. It&#8217;s &#8216;found evidence&#8217;. The fact that the emails have come to light is SO much more important than the method by which they did so.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are proud to be a kiwi at present in New Zealand then you are probably one of the 1 million people on anti -depressants you twisted Labour fool jaffapearl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are proud to be a kiwi at present in New Zealand then you are probably one of the 1 million people on anti -depressants you twisted Labour fool jaffapearl.</p>
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		<title>By: jafapete</title>
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		<dc:creator>jafapete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>d4j, have you thought of taking a break on a nice tranquil Pacific Island for a couple of weeks? Seriously, there are some good deals going.

Edit: Oh, you could take gd along with you. He looks like he could do with a break, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d4j, have you thought of taking a break on a nice tranquil Pacific Island for a couple of weeks? Seriously, there are some good deals going.</p>
<p>Edit: Oh, you could take gd along with you. He looks like he could do with a break, too.</p>
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		<title>By: dad4justice</title>
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		<dc:creator>dad4justice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My morning outburst spun me 10 demerits. FFS tell somebody who cares Hager wimp.If I hadn&#039;t been locked down I would have bombarded everybody in that hollow cess pit play with purple flour bombs. 
What a wimpland of lying - bent nitwits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My morning outburst spun me 10 demerits. FFS tell somebody who cares Hager wimp.If I hadn&#8217;t been locked down I would have bombarded everybody in that hollow cess pit play with purple flour bombs.<br />
What a wimpland of lying &#8211; bent nitwits.</p>
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