Headline of the Week
April 10th, 2008 at 11:45 am by David FarrarTumeke: “Liz gets fucked by Paul live on breakfast”
When I saw the headline in my RSS feed, my first thought was what about Diane. Then I realised that this was not some new ratings stunt from TVNZ, but a commentary on the performance of NZUSA co President Liz Hawes.
I didn’t see it myself, and no video online yet, so can’t comment on how fair or otherwise Bomber’s commentary is.
April 10th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Here it is, http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1647457
Vote:Hawes was well and truly hammered by Henry as she bloody should have been.
April 10th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
She sure as hell needs media training
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
pwned!
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Thought the first post on Bomber’s blog summed it up pretty well, and from a non-partisan standpoint (I think).
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
It was slightly uncomfortable to watch. He just caned her.
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Bomber was being kind. She got well and truly stuffed.
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I thought Liz shaw had made the headlines again for a second
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
YIKES!
Vote:Click onto chapter 2 of Breakfast and it’s right there.
April 10th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Watching her was excruciatingly painful.
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/video_popup_windows_skin/1700997
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
What a hoot – the poor woman looked as though she was about to burst into tears at any moment. As for the cardboard box protest….sheeee-ittt – Henry really trapped her on that one – “Do you know any students who actually live in cardboard boxes?” “Weeeelll….no Paul, not personally.”
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I never thought of Paul Henry as a National Party hack. As a complete tool sure. But not as a National Party hack.
No National Party hack would serve up the complete softballs he gives Helen every week. I don’t think the guy’s ever asked her a tough question in his life. Or followed up her more blatant misrepresentations with probing questions.
Then again, the National Party hasn’t put her under much pressure either for the last 9 years … so maybe Paul Henry is a National Party hack.
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Paul Henry right wing..???? Yeah right.. leftists- completely clueless… All he did for chrissake was ask her the questions that should have been asked. Is that what the left call right wing is it???
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Did anyone see the TV3 article about student debt and the typical student?
6 years down with still one to go to do a double degree in law and politics. Shouldn’t that take 4 years max?
Students are all a bunch of soft arses these days wearing designer clothes, drinking at up market bars and all with cellphones and then they wonder why they have no money.
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Just watched the clip and enjoyed watching her get smashed by Henry.
Can someone please explain why you would go to uni for 3 plus years to get a degree and student loan that doesn’t get you a good job. She mentioned in the interview that after 5 years of work after graduating some of the people were still on $32K. What the hell did they take at uni? obviously not a BCOM.
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
“6 years down with still one to go to do a double degree in law and politics. Shouldn’t that take 4 years max?”
Vote:I think Law is a 4 year degree
so this should take 5.5 to 6 years or 7 if you want to take it easier
doesnt change the fact that university study is a privilege (which is like 75% funded by tax)
if you dont want the debt then dont go to uni
its called a life choice
choose a path and stop your bitching
(for the record I was a student up until April 2007 and have a loan of 46000 which was 48500 when I started my career June 2007)
April 10th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
But are you earning more than $32K?
It pisses me off when the ones the trudge out to bolster the evil of students loans have $60K of debt, did an arts degree and earn the minimum wage working in retail. And they wonder why we have no sympathy.
I had no holidays from the time I was 15 until the 1st year of work after uni. I left with a $500 overdraft. I went back a fee years ago and whacked up $30K on an MBA, but worked out within two years the pay rises would have paid off the loan.
The bitch on the TV wants full allowances and no fees. Imagine how long people would stay at uni for then?
We need more plumbers and less BA’s.
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
“But are you earning more than $32K?”
hell yeah
I started on 10K more than that
my wife is in childcare and is on 8K more than that and has only been working for a year
32K is one hell of a bullshit stat
probably includes at-home-parents as part of the sample
I expect to be at least double 32K after five years
I wasnt trudging out to bolster the evil of student loans
Vote:I think they are great as they give those who want to take tertiary and cant afford it the option to take it
like I did
without student loans I would not have been able to go to uni until later than i did
simple as that
April 10th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I usually enjoy Paul’s sense of humour National party hack or not (he did run against Georgina Beyer in Wairarapa did he not under the National banner). When I was 14 I made the decision to become a Pilot, I decided that I was going to do this at a tertiary institution as it had been recommmended to me. I worked from the age of 14 while at school because my parent’s couldn’t help me with everything. I got a few scholarships and awards in 7th form which helped but my course meant work was near on impossible in the first 2 years if I actually wanted to pass. In the end I graduated having only failed one simulator check in 3 years of exams and tests.
At uni my parent’s helped me out more than they could really afford and that I am greatful for, they earned over the threshold so I couldn’t get an allowance. Entry level pay in aviaiton is at best abhorent in NZ. I have been working in a non-flying operational role in the industry which pays less than a kitchen hand but for which I have a great deal of responsibility and stress.
2 years on from graduating I’ve had enough. I can’t afford to save and have a holiday or invest more money into my chosen career path so I applied for a flying job overseas and I got it. I love NZ dearly but the reality is I may never be back as much as it pains me to say it. The combination of the broken student loan system and poor wages in NZ has pushed me offshore.
32k is definately not a bullshit stat.
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Ouch. Just watched it. It is a shocker. But hey you learn from your mistakes, and they make you stronger!
Vote:April 10th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Was she on drugs?
Vote:April 11th, 2008 at 1:12 am
NZUSA deserve every bit of criticism they get. They have been silent ever since Labour got elected because they don’t want to upset Dear Leader and harm any chances of them becoming Labour MPs.
Vote:April 11th, 2008 at 2:49 am
“The combination of the broken student loan system and poor wages in NZ has pushed me offshore.”
Fear ye not, mate. When the Nats get in, John Cey’s going to do all he can to boost up wages… right? Keep the faith, my fellow traveller.
Vote:April 11th, 2008 at 6:29 am
VirtualMark: No National Party hack would serve up the complete softballs he gives Helen every week. I don’t think the guy’s ever asked her a tough question in his life. Or followed up her more blatant misrepresentations with probing questions.
Unless her question are vetted beforehand with certain topics and lines of questioning being forbidden. That would certainly go someway towards explaining why the media so rarely ask her difficult questions and why she gets so much of a free ride.
Anyway, that video was brilliant. I watched a brief snippet of this student loan thing for a bit and I honestly cannot feel a shred of sympathy for them. Without getting into generalizations, students need to realize that they can skip a few luxuries like iPods and three nights a week on the piss and save a bit of money.
They are already getting an incredibly good deal with 74% of their fees paid and the remainder on interest free loans. It’s time they owned up and accepted that there is a dual responsibility here – they need to live within their means for a few years and like the most of society, cut back here and there to pay back the investment New Zealand made in them.
But too many people just want everything for free, because other people have it. Typical socialist mindset – somebody else has it – therefore I should have it too.
Vote:April 11th, 2008 at 6:37 am
He didn’t even go for the throat. I think he saw she wasn’t able to think fast on her feet and backed off considerably. If she says students want to be completely funded by “the automotive mechanics of the world” then the level of entry requirement for any university is going to have to be raised.
Vote:April 11th, 2008 at 6:54 am
Southern Raider: Can someone please explain why you would go to uni for 3 plus years to get a degree and student loan that doesn’t get you a good job.
Because it has become a popularly accepted meme that you need a “degree” to be succesfull, when modern degrees only qualifies you for being another worker drone. When instead, tertiary education should be about just that – education, sitting down and learning something. Learning about something that interests you and allowing you to expand your mind and then applying that knowledge in your life and in your career.
So instead of the people being admitted to university being the ones who actually desire to go there, who are seeking the knowledge they are drowned out in the “I need a degree to get a job” crowd who are there for a piece of paper.
They might as well have answered their spam and picked it up online for half the cost. Instead the whole principle of a degree is devalued as it has, in my mind at least, become a piece of paper.
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