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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-441056</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bevan:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I do wonder what Helen has got on Winston that he gives her such a free pass?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Maybe he&#039;s got George Hawkins&#039; files?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bevan:</p>
<blockquote><p>I do wonder what Helen has got on Winston that he gives her such a free pass?</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;s got George Hawkins&#8217; files?</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440991</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HOPE that this isn&#039;t as BAD as it LOOKS.......cuddling up to the Chinese and stiff-arming some of our closest traditional friends.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HOPE that this isn&#8217;t as BAD as it LOOKS&#8230;&#8230;.cuddling up to the Chinese and stiff-arming some of our closest traditional friends&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440959</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;IIRC, the NPCC sold its majority holding in Powerco to an Australian investor with the only noise coming from minor holders, so I’ve got to ask DPF, why the post?.
&lt;/i&gt;

Its about the hypocrisy of stopping the AIA deal on the grounds it is a stretegic asset, yet allowing the Vector deal on the grounds it is not. Also its nice to see Labour doesn&#039;t object to selling the countries silver after their leader has stated that Asset sales will be a defining issue this election...

Don&#039;t you see the irony?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>IIRC, the NPCC sold its majority holding in Powerco to an Australian investor with the only noise coming from minor holders, so I’ve got to ask DPF, why the post?.<br />
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<p>Its about the hypocrisy of stopping the AIA deal on the grounds it is a stretegic asset, yet allowing the Vector deal on the grounds it is not. Also its nice to see Labour doesn&#8217;t object to selling the countries silver after their leader has stated that Asset sales will be a defining issue this election&#8230;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you see the irony?</p>
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		<title>By: cha</title>
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		<dc:creator>cha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IIRC, the NPCC sold its majority holding in Powerco to an Australian investor with the only noise coming from minor holders, so I&#039;ve got to ask DPF, why the post?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC, the NPCC sold its majority holding in Powerco to an Australian investor with the only noise coming from minor holders, so I&#8217;ve got to ask DPF, why the post?.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440882</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put Spam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put Spam.</p>
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		<title>By: emmess</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440875</link>
		<dc:creator>emmess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Cullen

&quot;Sensitive land is defined in the Act, it borders reserves, or foreshore and seabed, or whatever it may be.

So,
It is now decreed that anybody owning waterfront property is now not able to sell it to an immigrant

But evil Multinational Corporations can buy Hamilton, Christchurch or Dunedin airports amongst others</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Cullen</p>
<p>&#8220;Sensitive land is defined in the Act, it borders reserves, or foreshore and seabed, or whatever it may be.</p>
<p>So,<br />
It is now decreed that anybody owning waterfront property is now not able to sell it to an immigrant</p>
<p>But evil Multinational Corporations can buy Hamilton, Christchurch or Dunedin airports amongst others</p>
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		<title>By: Spam</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440855</link>
		<dc:creator>Spam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 01:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;IF&lt;/b&gt; we are to believe Cullen today, then it would appear that the airport sale was NOT blocked because it was in anyway &#039;strategic&#039;; no, it was blocked because it was on &#039;sensitive land&#039;.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10506900

Well, Mickey, if its &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; sensitive, then why aren&#039;t we moving it?  Or regulating development to protect that &#039;senstive&#039; land?  And why wouldn&#039;t these protections of the &#039;sensitivity&#039; be applicable to foreign owners.

He should come clean and clarify that when he says &quot;sensitive&quot;, he means that its the internal Labour polling that is &quot;sensitive&quot;, not the asset!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>IF</b> we are to believe Cullen today, then it would appear that the airport sale was NOT blocked because it was in anyway &#8216;strategic&#8217;; no, it was blocked because it was on &#8216;sensitive land&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10506900" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&#038;objectid=10506900</a></p>
<p>Well, Mickey, if its <i>that</i> sensitive, then why aren&#8217;t we moving it?  Or regulating development to protect that &#8216;senstive&#8217; land?  And why wouldn&#8217;t these protections of the &#8216;sensitivity&#8217; be applicable to foreign owners.</p>
<p>He should come clean and clarify that when he says &#8220;sensitive&#8221;, he means that its the internal Labour polling that is &#8220;sensitive&#8221;, not the asset!</p>
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		<title>By: gd</title>
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		<dc:creator>gd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real reason vector is selling the network is that its borrowing rate has climbed to 10.8% on its latest Euro Notes issue.

Its needs the cash in the tin and the Gumint cant afford to let it get into financial strive.

Alas it is a Chinese company that has the necessary readies to complete the deal.

Quite simple really. Wish Id bought shares in Vector a swell as AIA thouIm still awaiting a replky to my letter to Cosgrove Cullen and Parker asking them which shares I should sell and which I should buy given they now control the NZX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real reason vector is selling the network is that its borrowing rate has climbed to 10.8% on its latest Euro Notes issue.</p>
<p>Its needs the cash in the tin and the Gumint cant afford to let it get into financial strive.</p>
<p>Alas it is a Chinese company that has the necessary readies to complete the deal.</p>
<p>Quite simple really. Wish Id bought shares in Vector a swell as AIA thouIm still awaiting a replky to my letter to Cosgrove Cullen and Parker asking them which shares I should sell and which I should buy given they now control the NZX</p>
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		<title>By: Zarchoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zarchoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course Wellington&#039;s Electricity Supply isn&#039;t a strategic asset!!!  It&#039;s not even in Auckland for a start.  If it was the electricity supply to Mount Albert then it would be different.  Perhaps, DPF, you could run a competiton &quot;Spot the Strategic Asset&quot; and send the results to Helen, Michael and Luigi for comment.

It makes you wonder if Wellington Airport is a strategic asset.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Wellington&#8217;s Electricity Supply isn&#8217;t a strategic asset!!!  It&#8217;s not even in Auckland for a start.  If it was the electricity supply to Mount Albert then it would be different.  Perhaps, DPF, you could run a competiton &#8220;Spot the Strategic Asset&#8221; and send the results to Helen, Michael and Luigi for comment.</p>
<p>It makes you wonder if Wellington Airport is a strategic asset&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440815</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think you would struggle to give it away.&quot;

Not to China we wouldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think you would struggle to give it away.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not to China we wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: radvad</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440777</link>
		<dc:creator>radvad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Can’t we just sell the government?&quot;

I think you would struggle to give it away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can’t we just sell the government?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you would struggle to give it away.</p>
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		<title>By: siobhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>siobhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This strikes me a bit of a booboo on Helen&#039;s part - this has just removed &quot;asset sales&quot; as a key election issue from the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This strikes me a bit of a booboo on Helen&#8217;s part &#8211; this has just removed &#8220;asset sales&#8221; as a key election issue from the table.</p>
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		<title>By: emmess</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440750</link>
		<dc:creator>emmess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we have a list of what land is sensitive and what isn&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we have a list of what land is sensitive and what isn&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: 3-coil</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440748</link>
		<dc:creator>3-coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen&#039;s rat-cunning means it won&#039;t be total stupidity.

Gooner (7:19am) nailed it - $750million windfall to the Auckland voters... so fuck Wellington. 

Plus with Helen&#039;s new &quot;baby&quot; (FTA with Communist China) barely drawing it&#039;s first breath, she will not want to be seen as rocking the boat with our new best friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen&#8217;s rat-cunning means it won&#8217;t be total stupidity.</p>
<p>Gooner (7:19am) nailed it &#8211; $750million windfall to the Auckland voters&#8230; so fuck Wellington. </p>
<p>Plus with Helen&#8217;s new &#8220;baby&#8221; (FTA with Communist China) barely drawing it&#8217;s first breath, she will not want to be seen as rocking the boat with our new best friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/hypocrisy_vs_stupidity.html#comment-440742</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Labour supporter I have to say that is is 60% hypocrisy and 60% stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Labour supporter I have to say that is is 60% hypocrisy and 60% stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually I agree that electricity isn’t vital for Wellington. Just turn it off. &quot; Can&#039;t do that Berend, Helen would not be able to make it to all the funerals for a photo op.
 
Anyway it is all quite simple, Wellington is not &quot;sensitive land&quot; as liarbour thinks they have it in the electoral bag due to all the public servants that owe them an easy living round here (probably right) whereas Auckland has been showing signs of throwing off the yolk of Stalinism recently and therefore has become &quot;sensitive land&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually I agree that electricity isn’t vital for Wellington. Just turn it off. &#8221; Can&#8217;t do that Berend, Helen would not be able to make it to all the funerals for a photo op.</p>
<p>Anyway it is all quite simple, Wellington is not &#8220;sensitive land&#8221; as liarbour thinks they have it in the electoral bag due to all the public servants that owe them an easy living round here (probably right) whereas Auckland has been showing signs of throwing off the yolk of Stalinism recently and therefore has become &#8220;sensitive land&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack5</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good foreign investment builds capital assets -- facilities, factories, hotels, oil fields etc. 

Selling off an electricity lines  network seems to me  like a farmer selling off a paddock. If  Li Ka-Shing wanted to finance a big power station that might be beneficial though you have to have reservations about the old Hong Kong capitalist&#039;s close and long-standing ties with  big Reds in Beijing.

Selling a minority stake to a Canadian pension  fund would have been far more justifiable. It would not have affected  ownership control and management control. It would have provided a secure long-term,  sleeping partner. There is a huge difference between selling a minority stake in the country&#039;s biggest airport to a similar country -- Western, democratic, English-speaking, with very similar legal and accounting regimes -- and selling complete control to a mogul from  an authoritarian, at times brutal, Communist nation. We&#039;re not talking about race, but about the struggle between democracy and communism, which continues while the world&#039;s biggest country is communist. 

Would Stiassny have sold the Wellington network to Nazi Germany or imperialist Japan in the 1930s? If the price was right, yes.

Canada is a soft-liberal country that ought to appeal to Helen Clark,  but obviously it is too centrist for her. Clark would prefer to deal with Beijing Reds.

Also, the DominionPost raises the possibility of  Stiassny buying power networks from local trusts. It mentioned Christchurch&#039;s. In Stiassny&#039;s dreams! Orion Networks is such a money spinner for Christchurch that there might well be an armed revolt if the Christchurch City Council under Bob the Light   tried to sell Orion or its network  to quick-buck Aucklanders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good foreign investment builds capital assets &#8212; facilities, factories, hotels, oil fields etc. </p>
<p>Selling off an electricity lines  network seems to me  like a farmer selling off a paddock. If  Li Ka-Shing wanted to finance a big power station that might be beneficial though you have to have reservations about the old Hong Kong capitalist&#8217;s close and long-standing ties with  big Reds in Beijing.</p>
<p>Selling a minority stake to a Canadian pension  fund would have been far more justifiable. It would not have affected  ownership control and management control. It would have provided a secure long-term,  sleeping partner. There is a huge difference between selling a minority stake in the country&#8217;s biggest airport to a similar country &#8212; Western, democratic, English-speaking, with very similar legal and accounting regimes &#8212; and selling complete control to a mogul from  an authoritarian, at times brutal, Communist nation. We&#8217;re not talking about race, but about the struggle between democracy and communism, which continues while the world&#8217;s biggest country is communist. </p>
<p>Would Stiassny have sold the Wellington network to Nazi Germany or imperialist Japan in the 1930s? If the price was right, yes.</p>
<p>Canada is a soft-liberal country that ought to appeal to Helen Clark,  but obviously it is too centrist for her. Clark would prefer to deal with Beijing Reds.</p>
<p>Also, the DominionPost raises the possibility of  Stiassny buying power networks from local trusts. It mentioned Christchurch&#8217;s. In Stiassny&#8217;s dreams! Orion Networks is such a money spinner for Christchurch that there might well be an armed revolt if the Christchurch City Council under Bob the Light   tried to sell Orion or its network  to quick-buck Aucklanders.</p>
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		<title>By: slightlyrighty</title>
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		<dc:creator>slightlyrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If asset sales are to be a debated point in the upcoming elections, this sale will have to be blocked.  Do not do so will open Labour to cries of hypocrisy from a much wider audience than has been claiming so to date.

Of course Auckland Airport is a politically strategic asset.  Vector is not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If asset sales are to be a debated point in the upcoming elections, this sale will have to be blocked.  Do not do so will open Labour to cries of hypocrisy from a much wider audience than has been claiming so to date.</p>
<p>Of course Auckland Airport is a politically strategic asset.  Vector is not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t we just sell the government?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we just sell the government?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 22:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok thnx David, I&#039;ll be back this evening! Oh yes I will....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok thnx David, I&#8217;ll be back this evening! Oh yes I will&#8230;.</p>
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