Labour’s flip-flops on tax
April 29th, 2008 at 11:08 am by David FarrarEnjoy this video showing Labour’s views on tax cuts. Once again thanks to the reader who sent it in.
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April 29th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Gee, what the hell was Ruth Dyson thinking?!
Vote:What were any of them thinking!!!
April 29th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Once again, someone’s got some serious access to archive footage and video editing skills. The sound mix is very professional. This ‘reader’ is certainly a well connected fellow.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Oh seriously fuck off you labour party financed mouthpiece.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Tane: Once again, someone’s got some serious access to archive footage and video editing skills. The sound mix is very professional. This ‘reader’ is certainly a well connected fellow.
Nice job on implying the “reader” is somehow part of the big, evil, anti-Labour system and doing so with the support of political connections.
Google “Machinima”. It’s amazing what amateurs can do with a little dedication.
Of course, I can’t fault you for your big government, evil overlords mentality. You’ve got a brain blockage that forces you to write things like that.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Murray, if a party is financing anything I suspect it is these videos.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Tane – ready to come clean yet and tell us about the NZ Labour Party funding of your shitty little blog?
Labour flip-flops on tax-cuts, Labour flip-flops on transparency…corrupt and untrustable!
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:38 am
No one funds our blog, except for Lynn Prentice who pays our hosting fees of $70 a month. If you’ve got an issue take it up with him at lprent (at) primary (dot) geek (dot) nz
Just to make it clear, I’m not accusing David of anything here, but I suspect the reader sending them through is politically connected somehow. Amateurs just don’t have that sort of archive material or professional video editing skills.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:40 am
I know it hurts Labour & they should feel the pain, but I don’t think my stomach can handle another viewing of the awful ministers singing.
Sorry, but the clip is now in the same vein as finger nails on a blackboard.
Yeah… proudly funded by the Labour Party congress ya drop kick. No one could computer generate singing that bad – not even Weta workshop!
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Ha ha Tane your pathetic party is going down the tubes and all you’ve got are accusations of ‘access to archive footage and video editing skills’.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:42 am
What Murray said.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Tane – but the “amateurs” at LoStandard can spew out all the smear videos etc on your own (you know, WITHOUT Labour support – “Yeah Right”) but it’s impossible for anyone else?
It seems your “argument” here Tane applies equally to yourself!
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am
The camera lens looks both ways. My bet is for Slippery to become a winter sport for the national ( me too ) party
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:46 am
I’ll take up anything I like anywhere I like.
You’re labour party hack.
It’s called free speech. Suck it up.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:48 am
3-coil, I’ve no doubt there are plenty of amateur video producers on the net – I’ve actually just received one today that I plan to put up in the next day or two. What rouses my suspicion is when I see a professionally produced video like this with professional cuts and a flawless sound mix, based largely on archive material inaccessible to most ordinary people.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Ah so you get randomly mailed videos but anything David posts is evidence of a VRWC.
You’re so full of shit your eyes are brown.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Oh come on people … , you really think the whole of NZ is populated by the brain-dead, or anyone who can handle a bit of technology must be ‘educated’ like what you are, and if they are ‘educated’ and anti-Labour ergo they must be in the pay of the National Party? whoo that’s a frighteneing place to be isn;t it? Or are you merely judging everyone else by your own standards? ? Anyway, you should be grateful it surely must save the EPMU a few bucks to have someone else endorsing a promotion for tax cuts… You really should be pleased. By the way, how is the ‘coup’ going in the Labour Party ranks? Any progress, Tane? (Oh Yeah, like they’d tell you)…
Vote:http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2008/04/et-tu-andrew.html
April 29th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Murray, not at all. Only when I see a professionally produced video like this with professional cuts and a flawless sound mix, based largely on archive material inaccessible to most ordinary people.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:55 am
When we see a labour party hack pulling conspiracy theories out of his ass and not addressing the issue as per the nasty party play book we say so.
Methinks he dost protest too much.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Brilliant stuff.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 11:59 am
some more 2c pieces..
Labour is indeed flipping and flopping. Which is hardly surprising because this vicious downturn is highlighting their absolute lack of knowledge and experience in the world of generating income. They have no idea, so now flap around like a stranded fish out of water making lots of splashes and noise but achieving nothing.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Thanks Tane, glad we sorted that one out.
YouTube editing = bad
Wikipedia editing from the 9th floor of the Beehive = good
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
The reader has absolutely no access to archive footage, and everything is from broadcaster public websites.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Back to Labour flipflops on tax cuts. The problem is THIS. Mikhail Kullen is OPPOSED to tax cuts with every fibre of his miserable being. The rest of the Cabinet sees the polls, pushes for something to be done. The uneasy stand-off is compounded by the fact that no-one at all in the caucus is finance-ministerial material, including Kullen himself. Who else wants his job? MALLARD?????????????????????? BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Wikipedia editing from the 9th floor of the Beehive = good
You mean like this? http://www.thestandard.org.nz/?p=1236
Anyway, gotta go work. It’s been fun guys, and Lee, keep on hoping for that Labour Party coup. Anything’s possible if you truly believe.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Tanes not really a paranoid schizophrenic, he really KNOWS that this clip was put together at the EBs new recording studio that they just bought for $5M of “rich pricks” cash.
Vote:He’s got Hagar going through the trash bins now looking for the evidence so just give him a chance team to present the proof once its been cobbled up. Could this be the missing “neutron bomb” liarbore has been preparing?
April 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Run little comrade, run.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Alces told you a long time ago that Hulun had to do at least a token reply to the Aust tax cuts, as Mick was publically claiming it was the NZ govt’s money to keep.
Second prediction is a massive change towards the Aust Super system, the $1000 matching is beer money and the far off 4% employer contribution won’t cut it.
Kiwi’s are lucky to have some pacesetting neighbours the comrades can’t ignore.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Tane: Murray, not at all. Only when I see a professionally produced video like this with professional cuts and a flawless sound mix, based largely on archive material inaccessible to most ordinary people.
Tane, have a look at this. That video has professional cuts. You forget we live in a world of media consumption and with computers and readily available video editing software anybody can put together something descent. Heck, the guys I play games with do a better job than this lot did and they’re absolute amateurs, enjoying a hobby.
If you want to look at naughty use of materials, you might want to call up the people at the Standard. They were involved in a hosting provision story with the Labour Party that came to light a few months ago. It even made the national news as their hollow scams were exposed.
Reality is – the message bites a bit closer to home. Your best answer has to be to obfuscate away from the very real issue presented here and attempt to smear yet another person who simply put together a good video.
Move away from the smear politics. Start dealing with issues.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
nice to see the ‘voice of the worker’ (hahahaha) has so much time to post comments and work on his own blog at the Union’s expense…and his tinfoil hat doesn’t appear to be working….
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
On second thought, there are many examples of people refusing to get into a debate on the premise that the issues are ‘too complex’ for otheres to grasp, and often that premise is held by some of our buddies on the left. So perhaps you do believe NZ is populated by the brain-dead…
Vote:Yes Tane, I appear to know more about the coup than you sdo. That’s because either you aren’t important enough to be kept in the loop, or lack the imagination to realise that anyone with two brain-cells to rub together will be plotting life in The Labour Party post the next election……
April 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
It’s fitting the unprincipled prick sees the issue as one of a struggle for power, which he gives away toward the end. It’s certainly not about revenue as he claims earlier: tax cuts generate increased revenue for Treasury. Nope, it’s about power in his mind. That’ll be why he has no argument for the principle of giving back to people the money they have earned. This uppity git thinks it’s all about him vs. the Big Bad Rich Prick Monster. It’s a warped perception of the enemy (in reality, these are the products of their own materialistic view of the world–their Rich Prick opposites) that so radicalises the left.
Vote:No, actually it’s about people deciding for themselves how to spend their money vs. a government that is so poor at providing services that it all of a sudden needs the 10 billion dollar surplus that fell in its lap. How fortunate!! Or is it just that we can’t have rich pricks (i.e. Ordinary Kiwis) generating all that wealth and it not being brought under the heal of government.
April 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
“Murray, not at all. Only when I see a professionally produced video like this with professional cuts and a flawless sound mix, based largely on archive material inaccessible to most ordinary people.”
Tane – my kid and his mates at school (Y8) did a video presentation that looked slicker thatn that. Not hard with pretty easily available tools – even free ones.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
What does the following statement and the little song at the Labour Party Conference have in common?
“Murray, not at all. Only when I see a professionally produced video like this with professional cuts and a flawless sound mix, based largely on archive material inaccessible to most ordinary people.”
Answer: They both betray minds completely out of touch with what is going on in the real world.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
This is *very* strange…I click on the ‘flip flops’ tag and only one post comes up – this one! Odd no?
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
One thing that still gets my goat MASSIVELY re Cullen and tax cuts is his idea that somehow the money belongs to him/the state and that we are merely subjects awaiting our handouts. This is evidenced by;
1. Cullen’s constant reference to tax cuts as a ‘cost’. Since when is a reduction in income a cost? Tax cuts are not a cost because it is not Cullen’s money in the first place to ‘spend’ on tax cuts.
2. Cullen and others’ references to tax cuts as a ‘dividend’. Get a brain Cullen – we are not part of some large state entity from which you deign to issue a dividend. Get some perspective Cullen. Pretty much impossible I know when you have NEVER had to actually generate a dollar yourself.
Both the above, imho, highlight very clearly Cullen’s other-planet mindset. The sooner that mindset goes the better for everyone.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Time for re-education vto, socialism 101 says. Peasants own nothing (not even our lives). State owns everything. So it is Mickys money to dish out to who ever will vote for his thieves party.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
vto Agree Its time we told Doktor Cullen that he is a Trustee of our money and as such has a fiducary duty of care which he has failed to exercise over the past 9 years.
Instead he has squandered and wasted it on all manner of inappropraite spending and must now be called to account.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
umm it really doesnt look that professional.. nice work though.
always cracks me up when cullen calls someone else a “poor little man”
the guy is a midget… classic case of small mans syndrome. someone should do a study on him. see if the govt will fund it
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Anyway, gotta go work. It’s been fun guys, and Lee, keep on hoping for that Labour Party coup. Anything’s possible if you truly believe.
Ever noticed that when Tane is on the back foot, suddenly hje has to go cause he has work to do?
Oh and Tane, keep hoping for English to roll Key, its the only hope your lot have!
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
More tax cut hysteria. I guess this is the part where I post some facts, and the kiwiblog right yells hysterically at mr for doing so. So here we go – this is how much the filthy liarbore communists are taxing you compared to all other comparable countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg
And before you scream about wikipedia as a source – check the link – it’s sourced from official OECD data.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
More tax cut hysteria. I guess this is the part where I post some facts, and the kiwiblog right yells hysterically at mr for doing so. So here we go – this is how much the filthy liarbore communists are taxing you compared to all other comparable countries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg
And before you scream about wikipedia as a source – check the link – it’s sourced from official OECD data.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
If you have a DVR, and most geeks do, then collecting such footage is hardly difficult. As for the editing, it’s not professional, or, if it is, I can only assume the editor was drunk.
Possibly above Tanes personal abilities or technical understanding, but I’m not sure that’s saying much….
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Income_Taxes_By_Country.svg
Source the OECD http://www.oecd.org/document/60/0,2340,en_2649_34533_1942460_1_1_1_1,00.html table I.2 and table II.1
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Looks like Kiwiblog isn’t liking links at the moment – but according to the OECD, NZ has the 3rd lowest tax rate out of the 27 OECD countries when it comes to “mean personal tax as a percentage of income”. Maybe Cullen knows this and doesn’t really want to cut taxes because it’s unnecessary and fiscally irresponsible. Yet the steady “tax cut” drum beat from National and the main-stream media has forced his hand on it – in the electoral sense he now can’t afford to not cut taxes – thus the “flip-flops”.
Other more intriguing flip-flops (actually lies) come from John Key. i.e.
1) Flip: “We should send troops to Iraq” – flop, “I’ve always said that we shouldn’t send troops to Iraq”
2) Flip “I’m not convinced that global warming is a problem” – flop, “I’ve always been a firm believer in climate change”
3) Flip “I never “opened” that email from the exclusive brethren” – flop, “Stolen emails”.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Er yeah, again, why is this the only post under the ‘flip flops’ tag?
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
That video kinda had an “Oily” feel to it
Vote:are we getting nervous about Labours soon to be announced tax cuts?
worried that Nationals poll majority might be related to people wanting tax cuts?
April 29th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Other more intriguing flip-flops (actually lies) come from John Key. i.e.
1) Flip: “We should send troops to Iraq” – flop, “I’ve always said that we shouldn’t send troops to Iraq”
2) Flip “I’m not convinced that global warming is a problem” – flop, “I’ve always been a firm believer in climate change”
3) Flip “I never “opened” that email from the exclusive brethren” – flop, “Stolen emails”.
1) He was confused
2) Two different things
3) He was confused
I forgot diddums.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Confused, yes always confused. Sure. Care to explain-away the following then siobhan?
http://kiwiblogblog.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/more-creative-spin-read-fibs-from-key/#comment-9440
Must have been “confused” right mate?
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I thought siobhan was actually having a dig at Key roger nome!
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
2) Flip “I’m not convinced that global warming is a problem” – flop, “I’ve always been a firm believer in climate change”
The climate has been changing since the Big Bang – Climate Change and Global Warming have two different meanings to everyone except the global warming cultists.
3) Flip “I never “opened” that email from the exclusive brethren” – flop, “Stolen emails”.
How is that even remotely a flip flop?
Must have been “confused” right mate?
Wow! Now you’re deluded into thinking you have friends…..
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Confused is the latest excuse these days, isn’t it. And according to certain people, roger, an acceptable one.
I will explain away Key, when you can explain away flip flops on “promised” budgeted tax cuts. Particularly when that promise comes pre-election and the reneg comes after. Where you get off pointing at the credibility of Key when your own bunny has no room to talk.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
I erred in thinking it was a dig. (At Key anyway.)
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
‘Climate change’ is a much more accurate term than ‘global warming’ because the effects of the warming can be varied e.g. more rain in some areas, less in others. Climate is complicated, whereas as ‘warming’ is very simplistic.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
The comrades hate tax cuts because they know that personal wealth means personal control….and that’s a no-no, philosophically speaking.
From Micky down to rog they have ideological objections to more independent mendicants.
Understandably.
Aust Labor has shown the way forward to their more leftist NZ Labour brothers still rooted in the past.
Rudd has an effective tax free threshold of AU$14000 from 1 July 08 and $15000 from 09.
C’mon Hulun you can do it.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Well they gave Company tax cuts…
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Alces
If we have a tax free threshold AND allow income splitting we won’t need WFF at all. What are the chances of Labour doing anything that reduces peoples dependency on the state ?
I think you have nailed it 100% – The command and control party simply don’t want us voting on real issues because we are too busy voting for the selfish reasons that their targeted policies make us vote for.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
hey roger.. just curious.. how old are you and what do you do for a living?
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Climate change’ is a much more accurate term than ‘global warming’ because the effects of the warming can be varied e.g. more rain in some areas, less in others. Climate is complicated, whereas as ‘warming’ is very simplistic.
Nonsense, Climate Change has been selected as the phrase by the cultists as it can be used no matter what the climate is doing.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
lol, don’t know where you got that, but ‘makes sense’ Bevan.
Edit: Really.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
There’s just a chance rog is on the teat.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
We use “climate change” because wingnuts don’t understand the difference between “global” and “local”.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
No you don’t petey…. the change was a deliberate marketing ploy to cover what the climate does best….ie change.
But please make it so, my carbon trading plans are coming on a treat.
We need firm legislation so we can start separating the punters from their money.
Notice the lack of real legislation and the lack of money changing hands…..some cynical bastards in the commodities trading area think …and I know this may be unimaginable….Hulun doesn’t want any of it to impact the real NZ economy.
Almost as if she knows but understands you don’t.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Did anyone check out Rogernome’s link? The link shows we are lacking far behind most countries in terms of corporate tax. The explanation explains the tax rate is worked out as a percentage of labour costs. How can this be a valid way to compare tax rates? Every economy is different. Not to mention the misleading way the graph is presented…….
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
hey roger.. just curious.. how old are you and what do you do for a living?
Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer Dime.
Maybe, in lieu of Dodgers answer we could all guess?
I’d say – 28, sickness beneficiary
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Hang on ….how can you type on blogs 24/7 and not be able to hold a job typing in a data entry pool?
Better get ACC onto this, sounds like another mendicant who could actually work but prefers to live off my money.
Sorry rog , I’m on your case.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
hey speaking of flip-flops… anyone predicting that Sullen will have tax cuts take effect before the election?
Has he deliberately soured the mouths of voters only to apply the euphiroc sweetness of tax cuts just prior to polling day?
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Joke was on us I guess, the wingnuts don’t know the difference between climate and weather either.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
I’m hoping we can trade carbon for a profit very soon…..petey.
It’ll be a pleasure.
Vote:April 29th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
I wonder if maybe we have stumbled on the real reason that Labour has come out against super fast internet to NZ homes … they are getting crucified on youtube!
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