No, I don’t expect to be inundated with visitors. Prime mover advantage seems to count for so much in cyberspace.

The main “problem” with the left-wing blogs is that they’re so worthy and earnest so much of the time. Not as much fun. So feel free to contribute your special talents… but don’t expect your ruse to work there, Sasha Redbaiter Cohen.

PS, a little hyphenation would enhance the effect of “tired old mind blocked propaganda speiling Bush hating global communists”.

Their mind set is that the citizen will pay until they bleed and then some more

Ive noticed the civil service and tertaries all have the same mentality. Its just taxpayers money there plenty more where that came from .

Same in local government. Spend spend spend ..No thought for the Quality of the spending. In fact their whole system is geared to over spending the budget so they get more next year.

For one whose spent a lifetime in organisations doing their darnest to make every dollar go as far as possible one finds it perverse but not surprising that politicans are so blase.

They are financial pygmies.

You won’t. Blogs produced by tired old mind blocked propaganda speiling Bush hating global communists are like flower wearing hippies at an auction of Betamax recorders. What a yawn.

I just discovered that I have a blog site all ready made and couldn’t resist, so have posted my earlier response to you there: http://jafapete.wordpress.com/ I even say something nice about your good self. Not that I expect to have many visitors.

In response to your response I would just point out that you asked, “why is it that the left are acting this way?” and I replied to that, i.e., I was trying to explain and not to justify. History is often an explanation, if not a justification.

Also, legality is not the same as morality, and 2005 demonstrates the difference in my view. I’m not sure that the EFA is the solution, for practical reasons.

As for the Nats and Republicans, well, I hope you’re right about that. But it does seem that quite a few of the kiwiblog right are hard-wired with the more leprous organs of the US rightwing.

I was not talking about 1975 (It annoys me when either the left or right use what happened in the past as justification for their unsavory behaviour) I am talking about this election campaign (and make no mistake it HAS started already)

The Hollow men point you make is interesting, sadly in usual left wing fashion you seek to justify your own parties theft by accusing the Nat’s of something else, what the Nat’s did was NOT illegal, what Labour did was.

While you do admit there is fear on the left it does not excuse or explain why we are seeing the unprecedented level of nasty personal attacks, just why is it that the left fear the loss of power?

And really…..trying to tie the Nat’s in with Rove only highlights the desperation the left are displaying.

But, I do agree that this is shaping up as a very unsavoury campaign, and it saddens me. Some thoughts…

It won’t be anywhere as near as hate-filled and vicious as 1975, when the full arsenal of rascist and anti-communist fear-mongering was deployed against a decent, unsuspecting crowd of old school politicians — Bill Rowling had great personal integrity — by a real swine. But it’s little solace to know that things have been worse.

I’m not about to try and defend the EFA (you may have noticed), which I have some doubts about as a practical measure. But I can certainly understand the concerns that underlie it. I’m sorry, you can dismiss “the Hollow Men” all you like, but I haven’t seen anybody being sued for defamation. Plenty of threats, I understand, from attack lawyers. If you want to see a real example of a government trying to con its way into power with lies and secret money with lots of strings attached, you only have to look as far back as 2005.

Finally, I would note that, while the Democrats’ hands are far from clean, it is the Republican Party in the US that has been pioneering the dirtiest, most unscrupulous campaigning techniques seen since, er, the McCarthy era. That evil genius Karl Rove has a lot to answer for. Now, which party in NZ has the links with the Republicans?

You have to understand that if there is fear on my side of the fence, it is fear that people on your side will stoop to use Rovian tactics to which they will not be able to respond. Just like 1975 in NZ, recent Australian elections (babies overboard?), and recent US elections, to list just a few of the more salient examples.

Luckily the prime minister intervened, but would that happened if they had not been caught out by the Herald? I sincerely doubt it. And I suspect this will continue, irrespective of what the prime minister has said.

Your government is trying to twist elections but if we leave that aside for one minute do you not agree that already this is turning into the nastiest election campaign in memory.
The left seem so hate filled and desperate, Cullen’s recent comments and the uncalled for personal attacks (slippery John etc) are so unnecessary, why is it that the left are acting this way?

Like DPF and the kiwiblog right’s attempts last week to engineer a “constitutional crisis” long after the serious new media had stopped reporting what was no more than an embarrassing episode for the government. The more hyperbole from you, the more pathetic and banal YOU look.

Edit: And if you really want “banal”, try the “Watch the Minister Sing” thread. Positively dripping with banality.

You would look a lot more credible if you did not equate what Labour is doing with the simple gaffes of a politician. You laugh when our government is twisting elections? Are you that banal?

Hey Insolent, Enjoy! John Key can’t walk out the front door without tripping up, so it won’t be long before we lefties get a chance to have a good laugh at your expense.

Every lefty turnip sucker on this thread should undergo intensive correction therapy’s or just ban them for time wasting because they’re just pathetic jokes .Then we can talk sense without the motley crew of weirdo lefty foaming geeks and brainwashed corrupt liarbour smug rats.

Yet they all seem to have gone very quiet indeed, since the PM came out and admitted that the story was true (sorry, Paul); that Mike Williams had accepted the suggestion as a “good idea” (Sorry I/S); and that it was totally inappropriate for canvassers to use public service material for campaigning purposes (Sorry MickySavage).

Three of them trying to defend the indefensible, and get pinged by their own party leader. What a delicious day in politics.

“..then ban him, as clearly he is mentally stressed and very unstable..”

(heh..!..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

The worrying bit is that the government has been blinded by its own lust for power. Opposition politicians called them on their plans, most notably Bill English and Christopher Finlayson, but they couldn’t see that they were doing anything wrong. The print media, especially the NZ Herald called them on it. The public called them on it. And now even their own are so sickened by what Labour is up to, they’re calling them on it. Yet still Clark, Williams & co just don’t get it.