Press on West Coast Spying

April 22nd, 2008 at 7:06 am by David Farrar

The Press Editorial:

Senior Government figures made it clear that , which is a State-owned Enterprise, must not itself stoop to such tactics nor countenance its so-called security consultant, Thompson and Clark Investigations, doing so. But director has again attempted to hire a paid informer. Even if Solid Energy had no knowledge of this, its continued commercial relationship with the security firm places its own credibility on the line. It is time that Solid Energy cut TCIL adrift.

They really have no choice. It just does not survive the credibility test that TCIL’s activities were not motivated by having Solid Energy as a client, even if not explicitly mandated in this episode.

Can I suggest that if TCIL are gong to continue as amateur spymasters, they get better at it. You don;t try and turn an existing greenie – no wonder they keep getting exposed.

If I was TCIL, and wanting to infiltrate the Coalition I would go along to Act on Campus, and hire their scruffiest new member and give him or her a two to three year mission. Now your typical AoC member will do anything for enough money, so you probably need to be thinking $1,000+ a month to supplement their student allowance.

You need to pick someone who has not been publicly identified as an AoC member, and have them join up. But the key is not to have them start too soon.  You need to be prepared to invest in just having them spy for a year or so, and then start having them produce the bacon.

Now after a while they may develop a conscience. More money will help with this problem, but a good spymaster will also start giving them some perks they’ll miss. You see they are probably investing all their spy money on the stockmarket. So every six months or so you send them and their boy/girlfriend to Queensland for a holiday – that will keep them motivated to keep spying.

Anyway back to The Press:

On the face of it, the Government’s unambiguous directive to Solid Power last year had been breached. This might explain the speed with which the SOE chief executive Don Elder specifically ruled out his organisation having any involvement in or knowledge of the second effort to hire a paid informer.

For Solid Energy this latest spying row is hugely counterproductive. A coal company in this age of heightened environmental awareness is always going to struggle to get good publicity. But the SOE does have some positive stories to tell, such as its entry into the biodiesel market and its involvement in the first Southern Hemisphere carbon storage project.

Instead, it has become mired in accusations about a private espionage operation, an activity which was last year shown to be distasteful to most New Zealanders. Compounding the perception problem, the accusations could also create sympathy and publicity for the targeted protest groups which they do not necessarily deserve.

All true.

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23 Responses to “Press on West Coast Spying”

  1. enough rope (104 comments) says:

    Produce the bacon, eh?
    “. . . every six months or so you send them and their boy/girlfriend to Queensland for a holiday.” Problem with AoC types is most of them couldn’t get a pork if they – or TCIL – paid for it.

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  2. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    Are the spies “feral inbreds” ? Nice to see the coal is going to China. Up in smoke Cheech. Pass the joint Chong. Airway spies and a huckster lying PM . What a cot case country fill of retards.

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  3. berend (1,716 comments) says:

    why an AoC member DPF? Doesn’t National have young members? Are they not scruffy? Or perhaps they are naturally socialist if not communists so they’re all signed up to the Happy Valley Coalition? Or perhaps if they are not, they’re so liable to believe what the next person tells them that they cannot be trusted for this mission? I.e. the first socialist they meet is able to convince them of his side.

    Hmmm, that might be getting close to the truth. It might explain that John Key is actually in great danger in Parliament. The more he hears and sees of the commies on his left side, the more he believes in their arguments and starts to advocate their position.

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  4. Marc (25 comments) says:

    Ah, my ignorance showing itself again but I beg the question.
    What is actually wrong with what Solid Energy are doing when the Government of the day their very actual owner is deliberately turning a blind eye to the continual illegal activities of the Save Happy Valley Greenie and Druggie extremists who by their actions are defrauding the Treasury of much needed funds that could be returned thru tax cuts to the rest of us hard working NZer’s who are actually working for a living while the snail worshippers are fantasising in fairyland deliberately breaking the law.

    If Solid Energy are getting good results from TCIL and its helping them keep one step ahead of those dreamers and they are lawfully carrying out their job of minimising their corporate risk – go for it !!

    Look at the cost to the tax payer that these protestors cause- what does the Govt do – nothing
    Why because they desperately need the vote of the Green Party and they have to turn a blind eye to it.

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  5. David Farrar (1,902 comments) says:

    Young Nats are not reliable enough – some of them have lefty tendencies, despite our best genetic manipulation programmes.

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  6. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    It only took FOUR posts for someone to refer to drugs, real mature. It’s not even the green party conducting the protests!

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  7. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    I dont see whats wrong with Solid Energys actions,

    And its a bit 2 faced of the Gumint After all they have a whole department of spyies the SIS going around doing the same tasks

    Talk about kettle pot Ahh The Socialists Aint they just sooooooooooooooo the hypocrits

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  8. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    The SIS is like the army – necessarily state run. Solid Energy is an SOE – ALMOST an independent business. Big difference.

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  9. Marc (25 comments) says:

    Stephen – Baa humbug !!

    The Facts are the Facts the Green party actively supports what the save the Snails dreamers are doing.

    The situation is the Green party and the Save Happy valley people are right into legalising cannabis . This is the type of societal looseheads or more appropriately ragheads we are dealing with.

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  10. Marc (25 comments) says:

    Anyway,

    What about the informant who turncoated against Gavin Clark, didn’t I here that on a radio interview yesterday the he is lonstanding a police informant anyway !!

    The Pot calling the kettle black again – The same guy (Gilchrist ?) is allowed to be a police informant for the Gummint yet he’s not allowed to be a Govt SOE informant !!!!

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  11. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Baa indeed – anyway the Greens are for decriminalisation, get it right. Anyway.

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  12. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    Marc, you’re right. This is ridiculous, we’ve got a bunch of anarchist type Greenies running around breaking the law committing sabotage and vandalism against a perfectly law-abiding business, and the law-abiding business isn’t allowed to take steps to protect itself? For shame. The NZ COPS should be running the spies and shutting down the eco-terrorists, if they were doing their job properly, it shouldn’t even be necessary for NZ citizens to think of hiring their OWN detectives just so they can get some warning of when they’re gonna get hit, and how……..

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  13. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    So now they’re…Al Qaeda?

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  14. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    No silly stephen they’re called Al Snaila.

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  15. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    lol i don’t normally use karma but have a thumbs up

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  16. Jack5 (5,167 comments) says:

    Somewhere in the Blogosphere reported that some of the Al Snaila mob went through guerrilla training in a certain North Island back country camp.

    If so, Solid Energy was wrong. It should have hired the Provisional IRA rather than a private eye outfit.

    As for the Press editorial, this newspaper has become so pansy-liberal it embarrasses the 80 per cent of its readers who are typical Kiwis. Especially with the Earth hour save power crap, which journalists on a fellow-Fairfax newspaper in Australia have exposed as garbage.

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  17. Brian Smaller (4,026 comments) says:

    “No silly stephen they’re called Al Snaila.”

    I thought that was quite funny D4J. Well done.

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  18. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    WWJD? He’d give dad some karma

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  19. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    $1,000+ a month? What planet are you on? When I was as student, I or any of my mates would have made ourselves available on call 24/7 for $1,000 PA!!!!!!

    Marc: Could you please explain the connections between (“save the snails”/ legalising cannabis) and “ragheads” since those connections are apparently so obvious to you?

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  20. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    It’s always amusing when the odd right-winger tries to inflitrate the left (thinking they will not stand out a mile)

    We always give them the worst jobs (Ok comrade postering run on your own at 2.30am in Manurewa) and feed them bull.

    Keep sending them, without the spies we’d only ever get half of the work done!

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  21. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “If I was TCIL, and wanting to infiltrate the Save Happy Valley Coalition”

    You’re sounding like you actually want the government to be spying on peaceful activist groups DPF? (and no, disrupting a minor part of the business operations of a multi-billion dollar organisation with non-violent protest for a few days doesn’t count as violence – as some hyperbolic right-wingers seem to think). Yet you call yourself a liberal. How strange.

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  22. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Good point…

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