Nothing to do with being a ‘natty’
the man is offensive in the fact that it was a pointless comment
he is right though
My family was hard up when I was a kid and not once did my parents leave the power bill unpaid
and none of us needed power for a machine to help us breathe
stupid thing for a politician to say though in election year
Bob Clarkson is a self made man and proud of it. Unfortunately, his pride in his maker renders him somewhat unsuited for service in parliament except as a soundbite generator; unfortunate because his knowledge of practical issues in housing and construction could be an asset to the country.
Shouting out comments that will be controversial is stupid, especially as it means that no context can be given to them, and that they will be interpreted negatively. Just look at the reactions to Horomia’s dieting quip- the Māori party will have Ikaroa-Rāwhiti in the bag soon.
I’m sorry but he is right. They should have paid the bill.
So maybe he was loud and impolite, but if we start suppressing people speaking the truth because they are not being polite, we are veering into the territory of political correctness, not to say censorship.
It saddens me that the National Party who stand for freedom against political correctness seem to be indulging it against one of their best performing MPs. Hopefully John Key did not know about this at the time and when he found out had words with those involved. Clarkson will be an able performer in the next cabinet, where his knowledge on housing issues will be of immense help confronting one of the biggest issues for ordinary kiwi battlers. It’s about time the housing area had the input of somebody who can come at it from a developer’s perspective
Why am I allowed to edit D4J comments? How did i win this prize? And can he edit mine?
But back on topic…
Apart from the pointlessness of the comment, when was it decided that Mercury energy murdered Mrs. Muliaga by turning off her power? Should the family have paid the bill? Yes they should. Could they have? Yes they could have. Should Clarkson have even brought it up? No, why bother.
I swear, all this rewriting of history via consensus, science via consensus etc etc is getting scarey.
Actually, Bob Clarkson was absolutely correct and his own party is absolutely incorrect, gutless and wrong.
Any party which seeks to encourage or permit a person not to pay their bills, and instead supports legislating to stop the creditor from having the right to withdraw their business from non-payers doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously. They are, like their fellow socialists, the Liarborites, an utter joke.
What are we teaching our children, who see every call for personal responsibility shouted down and ridiculed by every party in our Parliament? Why on earth should an individual have the right to goods and services when they simply refuse to pay for them? Are we about to now force Foodtown to feed, and worse apologise, to shoplifters?
Its a bad enough mess that lazy, stupid, dishonest or disorganised people are automatically given our money by this corrupt system at all – but for the politicians to now propose to short-circuit their own overblown welfare system and legislate directly against a person’s responsibility for their own debt is, frankly, an insult beyond the pale.
This stupid immoral National Party will not be getting my vote, thats for bloody sure.
Meh… Clarkson was a tosser, But was I the only person who thought Mark Burton’s outrage was more pro forma than real? I’d suggest he’d still be in Cabinet if he was half as good at doing his job (including giving coherent answers to straight questions) as he was at screeching inane interjections across the Chamber.
And with all due respect to Dave Mann, WTF kind of example is being set to children visiting Parliament when they see alleged adults behaving in ways that would land them a time out in any civilized home or classroom? If Clarkson felt that strongly about the bill under debate, he should have taken a call — under which circumstances, I’d have expected him to be treated with the same courtesy he failed to show Mrs Laban.
Or is plain common courtesy and acting your age not your shoe size now ‘socialism’ and ‘political correctness gone mad’?
Agreed about Burton Craig – sacked from Cabinet for stuffing up the EFA, and likely to be sacked by the voters of the enlarged Taupo electorate to boot. He would be a worthy candidate for the Monty Python “Upper-Class Twit of the Year” award. A case of “faux outrage” methinks.
“Apart from the pointlessness of the comment, when was it decided that Mercury energy murdered Mrs. Muliaga by turning off her power?”
As soon as it was decided that the phone, also disconnected, was not needed in case any thing disrupted the power [car smashing into a power pole, Act of Al Gore, or even a power company worker just doing his job]
Clarkson is a fool to not recognise a sensitive moment, especially after Helen had paid the issue so much personal attention, and the family spokeperson became so much more involved in politics. Interesting though that Clarkson beat Peters, that must really upset Winston, but a shame that he has just adds stupidity to National’s current image of weakness.
As DPF says “Sigh . . . “
“I’m sorry but he is right. They should have paid the bill.” “Actually, Bob Clarkson was absolutely correct…” Etc, ad nauseum.
Wrong, again. The circumstances are a lot more complicated that some of you seem to realise, despite being well reported in the not-too-distant past. There is a reasonably good summary on: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/1197334
And if Burton had half a wit, he could have pointed out to Clarkson that any MP who has problems paying their power bill needs some serious budgeting advice. I suspect Winnie Laban has a significantly more healthy bank balance that many of her constituents.
Hmm, but they still should have paid their power bill, they probably spent all the money on KFC
[DPF: That's pretty offensive, even with the smiley. While I think the Govt (helped by their new Botany candidate) over-hyped the situation (whose full details are still not known), what info has come out shows that the power company was not without fault in that there were attempts made to do partial payments]
The almost universal condemnation of Bob Clarkson by a large number of NZers (and his own damn party) is a measure of how far up shit creek this country is- governed and socially conditioned by the lunatic left as manifested on this blog by Jafaboy, PhilU John Dalley and the rest.
Bob Clarkson is damn right. Attitudes of personal accountability need to be encouraged not condemned.
Nothing will change in this country while social mores continue to be fashioned by the left and their simpering media acolytes. We’ll just continue on our lemming like plunge into the abyss. For fuck’s sake. Put this pathetic PC obsession with offense aside and see some real sense. Common sense. I know such an event is almost impossible for a leftist to contemplate, but for fuck’s sake, there’s others who should know better. The National Party hierarchy for some.
Good on you Bob, the only mistake you made was in apologising.
Followed by a link to TVNZ. For fuck’s sake get a life. That bunch of numb nutted left wing lemmings at TVNZ couldn’t report on a good shit. Get real for once Jafaboy, your infatuation with the output of your leftie media suckholes is utterly nauseating.
People- the power cut had nothing to do with the death of this woman. Its a left wing media beat up.
Too right Dime.
For my part, Bob – if you’re listening, that was not your finest moment. Your interjection may have been true, but it was unnecessary, and as such, should have stayed behind your teeth. Focus on November man.
Take note lefties how many of us on the right can, and will, criticise right wing MPs when we feel they’ve earnt our wrath. Notice, if you will, that even John Key is coming in for a bit of a kicking over his “let’s not frighten the horses” approach. Free speech I believe it’s called.
On the other hand I don’t see very many, if any, occasions where our bunch of lefty trolls can bring themselves to say anything untoward or critical of Helen Clark, her MPs, and all their fellow travellers. Now thats whats called sycophancy, and stupidity.
Philu, this is just a note to say that I will be ignoring your comments until you cease to personally abuse myself and others who hold differing opinions from you.
If you want to discuss the issues I am more than happy to do so but until then I will not validate you with a response.
DPF may feel that personal abuse by leftists is permitted, it is his blog and his prerogative. But it is my prerogative to choose who I respond to and who I don’t. Leftists who want to argue the point, even if they do so without many facts to back them up, will get a response from me (all other things being equal). Leftists who use purile playground insults won’t.
Clarkson was offensive, but just as offensive was Winnie Laban using her speaking time to go on about what “this Labour-led Government” has done for families like the Muliagas. It was sick-making. Unfortunately the Hansard isn’t up yet, but it was a poor taste example of blatant electioneering.
Bob Clarkson just became my new hero. Good on him. They should have paid the bill, and they could have waddled down to the WINZ office to get a grant for it. It’s everyone else that is being dishonest about it, which is what is really offensive.
philu, He’s ignoring your comments, so don’t expect a reply any time soon.
pushmewhatever’s indignation would carry a little more weight were it not drowning in a cesspool of hate-filled abuse hurled at lefties by his mates in the kiwiblog right, to which one quickly becomes inured, BTW.
Hahhahah.. gawd you commies are so pathetic.. always the same old same old.. there’s no ‘hate’ in the above comment by Pushmepullyou you dipshit.. contempt maybe, but hate? FFS..!!! All that means these days is the expression of an opinion that does not comply with strait jacketed leftist attempts at thought control.
Dime: “now theres something youd never hear a leftist say about one of their own!”
On Cullen’s use of David Irving to illustrate a point about the ability of sovereign governments to exclude people from their borders, I did note that, “Look, I think Cullen’s an arrogant prick at times, but I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt on that.” Does that qualify as criticism? Had Cullen actually been comparing Irving to the NZ Chinese journalist, as he was accused of doing on this blog, then I would have been amongst the first to say “fucked up”, but it wasn’t clear. In Clarkson’s case, it is abundantly clear what he meant.
And good on DPF for having the integrity to post on this.
Good grief, while Clarkson had a point it is the way he raised it that marks him as a buffoon. As much of a buffoon as Horomia and his breakfast comments. There are plenty of ways (including simply making a speech in response highlighting personal responsibility) by which Clarkson could have made his point.
Why can’t some people – notably Redbaiter – separate the message (which is correct) from the messenger (who’s a shallow loudmouth attention-seeker with nothing whatsoever to contribute to governing the country)?!
If Horomia happens to stumble upon a truth tomorrow and expresses it, that makes him no less of an idiot. The same applies to Clarkson today.
“If Horomia happens to stumble upon a truth tomorrow and expresses it, that makes him no less of an idiot. The same applies to Clarkson today.”
Rex, talking of buffoons, by comparing Clarkson to Horomia, what does that make you look like?? Clarkson has achieved real things in this country. Horomia is just another racist self promoting socialist politician who’s probably never had a real job in his life. Clarkson’s only ‘problem’ is his disdain for PC. Its a problem I’m happy to confess I share.
Phil: Redbaiter’s frothing & freewheeling diatribes only serve to discredit the very arguments he purports to support; therefore, either consciously or unconsciously, he is just another tool propping up our Marxist Islamist dykocracy.
Rex, talking of buffoons, by comparing Clarkson to Horomia, what does that make you look like?? Clarkson has achieved real things in this country.
Excuse me, but how does knocking up a few buildings or bridges (or any other achievement you care to name) excuse someone behaving like National’s answer to Jill Pettis?
But the real problem with Clarkson acting like an overexcitable schoolboy on the last day of term is that it permits the point he’s making – personal responsibility – to be dismissed as idiotic simply because it was made by someone behaving idiotically.
Clarkson is ineffective simply because he behaves in a way which allows the debate to become about him, not the issues he’s trying to raise. It’s as simple as that.