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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/the_extent_of_the_migration_from_new_zealand.html#comment-441118</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicken Little: &lt;i&gt;As POC points out, Dodger continually defames Owen McShane from the safety(?) of his anon name, at the same time showing all of us what a complete twat he is (again).&lt;/i&gt;

No, he&#039;s not anonymous. It&#039;s known that Dodger is actually Philip John Mason. Which makes for interesting Googling if you look over Kiwiblog only - he gets smacked down quite regularly for his insults to women, intellectually impaired people, homophobic and racist remarks, etc. A real paragon that man. Ayuh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicken Little: <i>As POC points out, Dodger continually defames Owen McShane from the safety(?) of his anon name, at the same time showing all of us what a complete twat he is (again).</i></p>
<p>No, he&#8217;s not anonymous. It&#8217;s known that Dodger is actually Philip John Mason. Which makes for interesting Googling if you look over Kiwiblog only &#8211; he gets smacked down quite regularly for his insults to women, intellectually impaired people, homophobic and racist remarks, etc. A real paragon that man. Ayuh.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/the_extent_of_the_migration_from_new_zealand.html#comment-441115</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Kiwi who left NZ with their family and then returned and has now left again perhaps my perspective is somewhat different from most here (although I&#039;d be please to be proven wrong).

I left NZ relatively naive and returned in the middle of the Labour hegemony of NZ politics.  What a shock, NZ had been turned into a tree hugging mardi gra of feminist PC bone carving apologistic minority pandering socialism.  It quickly became apparent that anyone who actually contributed economically to NZ was viewed as a capitalist pig who&#039;s role was to provide wealth redistribution to the friends of Helen.

And Labour had a done a grand job of bribing the guilty middle classes in suburban areas by convincing them that there was social kudos to be gained by being &#039;thought leaders&#039; in social engineering (not just locally but globall) of course the rest of the world just blinked and kept moving not really paying much attention to NZ&#039;s pathetic attempt to suck up to the UN via Kyoto and ridiculous immigration and refugee concessions a la Ahmed Zaoui).

While the Housing and economic boom being enjoyed by the global neighbourhood continued rocking on the chattering classes didn&#039;t think too much about &#039;donating&#039; their disposable income to Helen and Mikey for redistribution to Wellington and the less inclined to get of their arse and work.

But things have been getting progressively shakier over the last 12 months or so and Ma and Pa middle class/middle income have been noticing it - bit by bit it&#039;s been worrying them.

It bloody should do too - we sold up and got the hell out to a real economy, one that hasn&#039;t been raped by the socialists.  Thats the interesting point, we could afford to stay or go and made a rationale economic decision to get out - the people that make that decision are likely to be well educated and highly skilled.  The dross being pumped into NZ are more likely to be poorly educated, unable to speak English and of low skill.

What does NZ need need, low skill cannon fodder? (well yes when you look at the bludging socialists who refuse to work in a high employment economy, well it is now...)

But more importantly NZ needs highly skilled workers who can raise the country out of the third world, which is where NZ is perilously close to being.

Wonder why those who can, do leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Kiwi who left NZ with their family and then returned and has now left again perhaps my perspective is somewhat different from most here (although I&#8217;d be please to be proven wrong).</p>
<p>I left NZ relatively naive and returned in the middle of the Labour hegemony of NZ politics.  What a shock, NZ had been turned into a tree hugging mardi gra of feminist PC bone carving apologistic minority pandering socialism.  It quickly became apparent that anyone who actually contributed economically to NZ was viewed as a capitalist pig who&#8217;s role was to provide wealth redistribution to the friends of Helen.</p>
<p>And Labour had a done a grand job of bribing the guilty middle classes in suburban areas by convincing them that there was social kudos to be gained by being &#8216;thought leaders&#8217; in social engineering (not just locally but globall) of course the rest of the world just blinked and kept moving not really paying much attention to NZ&#8217;s pathetic attempt to suck up to the UN via Kyoto and ridiculous immigration and refugee concessions a la Ahmed Zaoui).</p>
<p>While the Housing and economic boom being enjoyed by the global neighbourhood continued rocking on the chattering classes didn&#8217;t think too much about &#8216;donating&#8217; their disposable income to Helen and Mikey for redistribution to Wellington and the less inclined to get of their arse and work.</p>
<p>But things have been getting progressively shakier over the last 12 months or so and Ma and Pa middle class/middle income have been noticing it &#8211; bit by bit it&#8217;s been worrying them.</p>
<p>It bloody should do too &#8211; we sold up and got the hell out to a real economy, one that hasn&#8217;t been raped by the socialists.  Thats the interesting point, we could afford to stay or go and made a rationale economic decision to get out &#8211; the people that make that decision are likely to be well educated and highly skilled.  The dross being pumped into NZ are more likely to be poorly educated, unable to speak English and of low skill.</p>
<p>What does NZ need need, low skill cannon fodder? (well yes when you look at the bludging socialists who refuse to work in a high employment economy, well it is now&#8230;)</p>
<p>But more importantly NZ needs highly skilled workers who can raise the country out of the third world, which is where NZ is perilously close to being.</p>
<p>Wonder why those who can, do leave.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/the_extent_of_the_migration_from_new_zealand.html#comment-440820</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tragic, too, that roger nome is so close to the truth of the problem: low productivity, low investment. But he falls over in the traditional socialist manner from that point, I. E., he won&#039;t admit that these things are best achieved, AND WILL BE, by free people with the gummint OUT OF THEIR FACES, not by 5 year plans or 10 year plans. NO business actually WANTS to underinvest and be uncompetitive with the rest of the world and rely on unproductive low paid workers. The perpetuation of these things, whether in Bangladesh or NZ, is the fault of bad government policy, end of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tragic, too, that roger nome is so close to the truth of the problem: low productivity, low investment. But he falls over in the traditional socialist manner from that point, I. E., he won&#8217;t admit that these things are best achieved, AND WILL BE, by free people with the gummint OUT OF THEIR FACES, not by 5 year plans or 10 year plans. NO business actually WANTS to underinvest and be uncompetitive with the rest of the world and rely on unproductive low paid workers. The perpetuation of these things, whether in Bangladesh or NZ, is the fault of bad government policy, end of story.</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, that little vignette, roger nome vs. Owen McShane, is the EPITOME of what is going wrong with the whole world today. Leftist lies, propaganda, and smearing, versus advocates of freedom who are finding it harder and harder to get the truth out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, that little vignette, roger nome vs. Owen McShane, is the EPITOME of what is going wrong with the whole world today. Leftist lies, propaganda, and smearing, versus advocates of freedom who are finding it harder and harder to get the truth out.</p>
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		<title>By: bwakile</title>
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		<dc:creator>bwakile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 10:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The socialists couldn&#039;t give a toss about who leaves NZ or who comes here to live.
They are all just IRD numbers to them.
Workers to fund their $50 billion social experiments and their rich prick lifestyles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The socialists couldn&#8217;t give a toss about who leaves NZ or who comes here to live.<br />
They are all just IRD numbers to them.<br />
Workers to fund their $50 billion social experiments and their rich prick lifestyles.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicken Little</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/the_extent_of_the_migration_from_new_zealand.html#comment-440623</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicken Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger posted this over at KBB on the 27th - yesterday.

Let us judge him by his own words -

&lt;i&gt;The real humor to come out of this post is matt’s thinking he can come onto someone’s blog and call them a “moron” and “mind numbingly stupid” and not be banned (I assume he doesn’t want to be banned because of the amount of time he spends posting here).

Zoster - if you don’t ban this silly little hot-head you’re a more tolerant person than 90% of bloggers that I’ve seen.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger posted this over at KBB on the 27th &#8211; yesterday.</p>
<p>Let us judge him by his own words -</p>
<p><i>The real humor to come out of this post is matt’s thinking he can come onto someone’s blog and call them a “moron” and “mind numbingly stupid” and not be banned (I assume he doesn’t want to be banned because of the amount of time he spends posting here).</p>
<p>Zoster &#8211; if you don’t ban this silly little hot-head you’re a more tolerant person than 90% of bloggers that I’ve seen.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Alces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rog&#039;s happiness is elsewhere for sure….

Dave may think that only leaves a few,  including my personal favourite phil u and the &quot;about to sell his house to save starving African children&quot; Sony. You didn’t know? He’s very modest and wants no public recognition.

Certainly Blair would send the rog back to his comrades on &quot;waste of time&quot; grounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rog&#8217;s happiness is elsewhere for sure….</p>
<p>Dave may think that only leaves a few,  including my personal favourite phil u and the &#8220;about to sell his house to save starving African children&#8221; Sony. You didn’t know? He’s very modest and wants no public recognition.</p>
<p>Certainly Blair would send the rog back to his comrades on &#8220;waste of time&#8221; grounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicken Little</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/the_extent_of_the_migration_from_new_zealand.html#comment-440618</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicken Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally I ignore Dodger except to comment occasionally about how embarrassed his mum must be, but.......

not this time. 

As POC points out, Dodger continually defames Owen McShane from the safety(?) of his anon name, at the same time showing all of us what a complete twat he is (again). 

Why?

Mr McShane appears to make a lot of sense.

His posts are clear, concise, polite and to the point. 

You can only assume that Dodger is threatened by Mr McShane. Or Dodger is threatened by Mr McShanes knowledge.

His only reaction seems to be to smear Owen as much as possible. 

I for one have had enough of Dodger.

I think DPF should have a open thread on the &#039;banning forever of Mr Rodger &#039;Downs syndrome&#039; Nome&#039;.

Let the people decide.

Its DPF&#039;s site but we have to live here. :)   

Dodger adds nothing and continually diverts threads with personal attacks.

An open thread (open for a week) consisting strictly of yay&#039;s or nay&#039;s.

We could even give Roger a vote.

I&#039;ve been coming here, under various id&#039;s, since  late 2003 and I am struggling to remember a commenter as negative as Roger.

Most trolls lose interest over time (Sonic etc), but I fear this is all Roger has, hence the continual bad smell.

If I&#039;m out of line please let me know,  the continued defaming of a seemingly innocent man is really starting to piss me off.

***Disclaimer - I have never met, talked to, or communicated in any way whatsoever with Mr McShane. I have no idea who he is except through his comments here.    Also I have never received money from an Oil company - but will take petrol vouchers :)  ***</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally I ignore Dodger except to comment occasionally about how embarrassed his mum must be, but&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>not this time. </p>
<p>As POC points out, Dodger continually defames Owen McShane from the safety(?) of his anon name, at the same time showing all of us what a complete twat he is (again). </p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Mr McShane appears to make a lot of sense.</p>
<p>His posts are clear, concise, polite and to the point. </p>
<p>You can only assume that Dodger is threatened by Mr McShane. Or Dodger is threatened by Mr McShanes knowledge.</p>
<p>His only reaction seems to be to smear Owen as much as possible. </p>
<p>I for one have had enough of Dodger.</p>
<p>I think DPF should have a open thread on the &#8216;banning forever of Mr Rodger &#8216;Downs syndrome&#8217; Nome&#8217;.</p>
<p>Let the people decide.</p>
<p>Its DPF&#8217;s site but we have to live here. <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    </p>
<p>Dodger adds nothing and continually diverts threads with personal attacks.</p>
<p>An open thread (open for a week) consisting strictly of yay&#8217;s or nay&#8217;s.</p>
<p>We could even give Roger a vote.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been coming here, under various id&#8217;s, since  late 2003 and I am struggling to remember a commenter as negative as Roger.</p>
<p>Most trolls lose interest over time (Sonic etc), but I fear this is all Roger has, hence the continual bad smell.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m out of line please let me know,  the continued defaming of a seemingly innocent man is really starting to piss me off.</p>
<p>***Disclaimer &#8211; I have never met, talked to, or communicated in any way whatsoever with Mr McShane. I have no idea who he is except through his comments here.    Also I have never received money from an Oil company &#8211; but will take petrol vouchers <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   ***</p>
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		<title>By: Alces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a way to defeat the adult forms of rog that rule you.

A single currency based on the AU$ will remove most of their economic power.
That means much automatic mirroring of the Aust way.

The comrades then get to control what park benches go where.

You know it makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a way to defeat the adult forms of rog that rule you.</p>
<p>A single currency based on the AU$ will remove most of their economic power.<br />
That means much automatic mirroring of the Aust way.</p>
<p>The comrades then get to control what park benches go where.</p>
<p>You know it makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Peak Oil Conspiracy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/the_extent_of_the_migration_from_new_zealand.html#comment-440610</link>
		<dc:creator>Peak Oil Conspiracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip &quot;Downs Syndrome&quot; John/Roger Nome (have you no shame?):

I see you choose to attack Owen Mcshane personally - yet again - instead of intelligently debating the issues he raised.  Not a good look for someone who aspires to be a highly-paid academic!  I believe you&#039;re widely regarded as the Kiwiblog village idiot.  So your comment that &quot;[Owen&#039;s] credibility is zilch&quot; is probably water off a duck&#039;s back as far as he&#039;s concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip &#8220;Downs Syndrome&#8221; John/Roger Nome (have you no shame?):</p>
<p>I see you choose to attack Owen Mcshane personally &#8211; yet again &#8211; instead of intelligently debating the issues he raised.  Not a good look for someone who aspires to be a highly-paid academic!  I believe you&#8217;re widely regarded as the Kiwiblog village idiot.  So your comment that &#8220;[Owen's] credibility is zilch&#8221; is probably water off a duck&#8217;s back as far as he&#8217;s concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who denys climate change is a criminal and should be sentenced to a severe punishment such as cleaning out the filters of the 15 aircon units in Al Gores mansion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who denys climate change is a criminal and should be sentenced to a severe punishment such as cleaning out the filters of the 15 aircon units in Al Gores mansion.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger nome you are yet another example of a left winger that refuses to argue on the merits of the points made but resorts to personal attacks. What does it matter if he&#039;s a property developer or any other what not. This has no bearing on an intellectual argument. Also you say &quot;climate change denier&quot; as if it is akin to holocaust denial. Should Owen be criminalised?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger nome you are yet another example of a left winger that refuses to argue on the merits of the points made but resorts to personal attacks. What does it matter if he&#8217;s a property developer or any other what not. This has no bearing on an intellectual argument. Also you say &#8220;climate change denier&#8221; as if it is akin to holocaust denial. Should Owen be criminalised?</p>
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		<title>By: Buggerlugs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buggerlugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry Owen.  We all know about your credibility, unlike some failed economics student who comes here to troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry Owen.  We all know about your credibility, unlike some failed economics student who comes here to troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/the_extent_of_the_migration_from_new_zealand.html#comment-440600</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roger nome says: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Rex :

Four things that have been limiting our labor productivity growth:

1) Lack of savings&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed. I wholeheartedly supported NZF&#039;s compulsory super proposal which was neatly torpedoed by being put to a referendum. If Australians had been asked at the time their scheme was started whether they wanted to take home 9% less each week &lt;i&gt;of course&lt;/i&gt; they&#039;d have said no. But try and take the scheme away from them now. The &quot;let&#039;s have a referendum on it&quot; move was one of the most gutless pieces of political gamesmanship I&#039;ve ever witnessed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;2) Telecom’s monopoly&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed again. Though both Labour and National seem remarkably reluctant to break it. Need I remind you who proudly showed off his carved-in-polystyrene &quot;Kiwi Share&quot;? A symptom, I guess, of the wafer-thin difference between Labour and National on a lot of issues.

&lt;blockquote&gt;3) Lack of a compulsory apprenticeships scheme&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Very much agreed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;4) Low labor unit cost/wage growth due to lack of collective bargaining&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agree to a degree... depends whether you&#039;re talking about the ability to opt to be part of a collective agreement or negotiate for yourself. Again Australia (with the exception of the building industry) generally offers a choice, and benefits from that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;...the productive incentives are there for workers to work harder and up-skill to get more money i.e. there are huge wage differentials between low-skilled and high-skilled jobs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Can&#039;t agree with you there, roger. If you leave school with no qualifications and get into a low-skill, low-wage job where&#039;s the mechanism by which you &quot;up-skill&quot; &lt;i&gt;without starving to death in the process and incurring a student debt&lt;/i&gt;? It ties back to your point about apprenticeships. Those who don&#039;t do well at school academically get trapped into a cycle which it&#039;s very hard to break. Apprenticeships for the hard working ones and perhaps micro loans for the entrepreneurial ones would go a long way to giving a hand up to those who want to improve their lot, but again &lt;i&gt;successive&lt;/i&gt; governments have done nothing. A cynic might say that one side wants a pool of cheap labour to exploit, while the other wants a pool of disaffected underpaid workers and beneficiaries all dependent on government hand-outs to exploit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roger nome says: </p>
<blockquote><p>Rex :</p>
<p>Four things that have been limiting our labor productivity growth:</p>
<p>1) Lack of savings</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed. I wholeheartedly supported NZF&#8217;s compulsory super proposal which was neatly torpedoed by being put to a referendum. If Australians had been asked at the time their scheme was started whether they wanted to take home 9% less each week <i>of course</i> they&#8217;d have said no. But try and take the scheme away from them now. The &#8220;let&#8217;s have a referendum on it&#8221; move was one of the most gutless pieces of political gamesmanship I&#8217;ve ever witnessed.</p>
<blockquote><p>2) Telecom’s monopoly</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed again. Though both Labour and National seem remarkably reluctant to break it. Need I remind you who proudly showed off his carved-in-polystyrene &#8220;Kiwi Share&#8221;? A symptom, I guess, of the wafer-thin difference between Labour and National on a lot of issues.</p>
<blockquote><p>3) Lack of a compulsory apprenticeships scheme</p></blockquote>
<p>Very much agreed.</p>
<blockquote><p>4) Low labor unit cost/wage growth due to lack of collective bargaining</p></blockquote>
<p>Agree to a degree&#8230; depends whether you&#8217;re talking about the ability to opt to be part of a collective agreement or negotiate for yourself. Again Australia (with the exception of the building industry) generally offers a choice, and benefits from that.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;the productive incentives are there for workers to work harder and up-skill to get more money i.e. there are huge wage differentials between low-skilled and high-skilled jobs.</p></blockquote>
<p>Can&#8217;t agree with you there, roger. If you leave school with no qualifications and get into a low-skill, low-wage job where&#8217;s the mechanism by which you &#8220;up-skill&#8221; <i>without starving to death in the process and incurring a student debt</i>? It ties back to your point about apprenticeships. Those who don&#8217;t do well at school academically get trapped into a cycle which it&#8217;s very hard to break. Apprenticeships for the hard working ones and perhaps micro loans for the entrepreneurial ones would go a long way to giving a hand up to those who want to improve their lot, but again <i>successive</i> governments have done nothing. A cynic might say that one side wants a pool of cheap labour to exploit, while the other wants a pool of disaffected underpaid workers and beneficiaries all dependent on government hand-outs to exploit.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You post under a pseudo name and you’re telling someone using their real name that they have no credibility? I think your real motives came out earlier&quot;

He is really the Ayatollah Woger Knomey appointed by the prophet to spread light upon the darkness of the non-believers to whom climate change is not the one true path to eternal truth. Failing that he is a sad little leftie apparatchick who earns his living sponging off the real workers in this once fair land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You post under a pseudo name and you’re telling someone using their real name that they have no credibility? I think your real motives came out earlier&#8221;</p>
<p>He is really the Ayatollah Woger Knomey appointed by the prophet to spread light upon the darkness of the non-believers to whom climate change is not the one true path to eternal truth. Failing that he is a sad little leftie apparatchick who earns his living sponging off the real workers in this once fair land.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/the_extent_of_the_migration_from_new_zealand.html#comment-440596</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And who is this son of mine who is a property developer?
I have a principle of not calling people liars because we disagree but you do stretch me to suggest that you are being economical with the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And who is this son of mine who is a property developer?<br />
I have a principle of not calling people liars because we disagree but you do stretch me to suggest that you are being economical with the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: labrator</title>
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		<dc:creator>labrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;McShane - I don’t believe a word that comes out of your climate-change denying mouth. Your credibility is zilch.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You post under a pseudo name and you&#039;re telling someone using their real name that they have no credibility? I think your real motives came out earlier
&lt;blockquote&gt;...earning myself a whole bundle...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Your jealousy and inflated ego defeats any real points you may be capable of making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>McShane &#8211; I don’t believe a word that comes out of your climate-change denying mouth. Your credibility is zilch.</p></blockquote>
<p>You post under a pseudo name and you&#8217;re telling someone using their real name that they have no credibility? I think your real motives came out earlier</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;earning myself a whole bundle&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Your jealousy and inflated ego defeats any real points you may be capable of making.</p>
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		<title>By: capills_enema</title>
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		<dc:creator>capills_enema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is: more bobbies on the beat and more prisons. If we lock people up, they can&#039;t emigrate. 

Mmmm... Send me children :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is: more bobbies on the beat and more prisons. If we lock people up, they can&#8217;t emigrate. </p>
<p>Mmmm&#8230; Send me children :-p</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McShane - I don&#039;t believe a word that comes out of your climate-change denying mouth. Your credibility is zilch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McShane &#8211; I don&#8217;t believe a word that comes out of your climate-change denying mouth. Your credibility is zilch.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 06:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think $200,000 for Al Gore is unreasonable after all other famous novelists would probably want more, J.K. Rowling for instance and don&#039;t forget that would only pay his electricity bill for about three months. God we are so lucky to have such dedicated eco-warriors in the forefront of the charge to save the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think $200,000 for Al Gore is unreasonable after all other famous novelists would probably want more, J.K. Rowling for instance and don&#8217;t forget that would only pay his electricity bill for about three months. God we are so lucky to have such dedicated eco-warriors in the forefront of the charge to save the planet.</p>
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