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		<title>By: slightlyrighty</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449365</link>
		<dc:creator>slightlyrighty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did Trotter mention the irony of Cullen touring a factory in Chch which is about to move to China?</description>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449341</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just about spewed after reading Trotters crap in the local paper this morning. Trotter was crying crocodile tears cause poor old Sullen got a bums rap when he gave his pre budget speech to the Canterbury manufurers association.Trotts was saying why would anyone want to talk to the CMA, they are after all just &quot;rich pricks&quot;, why didn&#039;t Sullen talk to the factory workers, shop assistants, nures, teachers social workers ra ra etc, atleast these people would have cheer and clap for the poor old bastard. Where do the find these fucktards? If it wasn&#039;t for croups like the CMA that produce the wealth in this country these people wouldn&#039;t have a job. Trotts should look at the message and not the messenger.

 I say fuck the tax cuts, the pricks in power have gone way pass tax cuts, they are quite simply bad bastards and they have to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just about spewed after reading Trotters crap in the local paper this morning. Trotter was crying crocodile tears cause poor old Sullen got a bums rap when he gave his pre budget speech to the Canterbury manufurers association.Trotts was saying why would anyone want to talk to the CMA, they are after all just &#8220;rich pricks&#8221;, why didn&#8217;t Sullen talk to the factory workers, shop assistants, nures, teachers social workers ra ra etc, atleast these people would have cheer and clap for the poor old bastard. Where do the find these fucktards? If it wasn&#8217;t for croups like the CMA that produce the wealth in this country these people wouldn&#8217;t have a job. Trotts should look at the message and not the messenger.</p>
<p> I say fuck the tax cuts, the pricks in power have gone way pass tax cuts, they are quite simply bad bastards and they have to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449328</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad aardvark, but typical of Labour.</description>
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		<title>By: aardvark</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449322</link>
		<dc:creator>aardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark claims that the timing of the first round of tax cuts (October 2008 rather than April 2009) is because NZ&#039;ers are hurting now so they can&#039;t wait until next year for relief.

So why not implement the changes as of July 1 this year then?

Come on Helen, you&#039;re fooling nobody.  You want people to still be feeling good about the extra money in the wage packets when they go to the polls.

Wouldn&#039;t it be nice of we could find politicians that were actually more interested in doing the job they were elected to do (prudently and effectively manage the country) than simply concentrating on retaining or getting a grip on power -- and that goes for both ends of the political spectrum.

It&#039;s sad really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark claims that the timing of the first round of tax cuts (October 2008 rather than April 2009) is because NZ&#8217;ers are hurting now so they can&#8217;t wait until next year for relief.</p>
<p>So why not implement the changes as of July 1 this year then?</p>
<p>Come on Helen, you&#8217;re fooling nobody.  You want people to still be feeling good about the extra money in the wage packets when they go to the polls.</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be nice of we could find politicians that were actually more interested in doing the job they were elected to do (prudently and effectively manage the country) than simply concentrating on retaining or getting a grip on power &#8212; and that goes for both ends of the political spectrum.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad really.</p>
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		<title>By: alex Masterley</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449315</link>
		<dc:creator>alex Masterley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 23:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m looking forward to the ANZ report.
Cameron Bagrie is a forthrite character who calls a spade a spade.  He will even tell it as is.  He may even use the &quot;r&quot; word to describe NZ&#039;s current economic state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to the ANZ report.<br />
Cameron Bagrie is a forthrite character who calls a spade a spade.  He will even tell it as is.  He may even use the &#8220;r&#8221; word to describe NZ&#8217;s current economic state.</p>
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		<title>By: casual watcher</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449306</link>
		<dc:creator>casual watcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buggerlugs - right with you on that one. If the ANZ report is as hard hitting as predicted then a superior tax cut package can be justified by spending cuts without incurring political wrath. Regardless, drastic action is required to retain a work force that can support the economy in its present state. Key will need to present a vision for the future that will dissuade critical workers and big employers from moving out of NZ. Turning the tide is a big job and the Nats have never had to be that radical in the past. Labour are rightly described as cynical c..ts and I hate them for the damage they have done to this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buggerlugs &#8211; right with you on that one. If the ANZ report is as hard hitting as predicted then a superior tax cut package can be justified by spending cuts without incurring political wrath. Regardless, drastic action is required to retain a work force that can support the economy in its present state. Key will need to present a vision for the future that will dissuade critical workers and big employers from moving out of NZ. Turning the tide is a big job and the Nats have never had to be that radical in the past. Labour are rightly described as cynical c..ts and I hate them for the damage they have done to this country.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449299</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aye - what Peter Cresswell said</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aye &#8211; what Peter Cresswell said</p>
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		<title>By: Buggerlugs</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449296</link>
		<dc:creator>Buggerlugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 22:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think John Key&#039;s decisions on what Labour frivolities to scrap might be independently assisted by the ANZ&#039;s analysis of Government spending which I for one cannot wait to see!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think John Key&#8217;s decisions on what Labour frivolities to scrap might be independently assisted by the ANZ&#8217;s analysis of Government spending which I for one cannot wait to see!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449295</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah thats right.  Last year’s budget was bold.  I heard Barry Soper say it was bold and in the Dom Post it was bold.  Then I read Cullen Budget speech and he had described his budget as bold.  Media tools.     

Same thing happening this time with the so called tax cuts. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah thats right.  Last year’s budget was bold.  I heard Barry Soper say it was bold and in the Dom Post it was bold.  Then I read Cullen Budget speech and he had described his budget as bold.  Media tools.     </p>
<p>Same thing happening this time with the so called tax cuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Cresswell</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449287</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Cresswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it astonishing that all of these &#039;learned&#039; commentators have bought the spin, and have all overlooked what should be obvious even to Blind Freddie.

Michael Cullen has not delivered tax cuts.  In real terms, we are all &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; paying more after this Budget than we were when Labour came to office nine years ago.

In other words, he hasn&#039;t delivered tax cuts, he&#039;s delivered inflation adjustments -- and even then the adjustments aren&#039;t sufficient to make up for the backlog that we&#039;re owed.  That&#039;s how he can afford all the pork.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it astonishing that all of these &#8216;learned&#8217; commentators have bought the spin, and have all overlooked what should be obvious even to Blind Freddie.</p>
<p>Michael Cullen has not delivered tax cuts.  In real terms, we are all <i>still</i> paying more after this Budget than we were when Labour came to office nine years ago.</p>
<p>In other words, he hasn&#8217;t delivered tax cuts, he&#8217;s delivered inflation adjustments &#8212; and even then the adjustments aren&#8217;t sufficient to make up for the backlog that we&#8217;re owed.  That&#8217;s how he can afford all the pork.</p>
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		<title>By: petal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449286</link>
		<dc:creator>petal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Michael Cullen has emptied the piggy-bank in a bid to mitigate the severity of the economic slowdown&quot;

No, he&#039;s trying to buy an election under orders from above.   I bet his bottom&#039;s so tight right now, he won&#039;t do a no2 for weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Michael Cullen has emptied the piggy-bank in a bid to mitigate the severity of the economic slowdown&#8221;</p>
<p>No, he&#8217;s trying to buy an election under orders from above.   I bet his bottom&#8217;s so tight right now, he won&#8217;t do a no2 for weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: petal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449282</link>
		<dc:creator>petal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NZ Herald Simon Collins: &quot;In dollar terms, the tax cuts get bigger as your income rises&quot;

What a genius. Give the man a Qantas Award.  Someone staple his lips to his desk and tell him &quot;in dollar terms, the amount of tax paid gets bigger as your income rises, and in real dollar terms people with bigger incomes are paying more marginal tax then they are getting back in cuts&quot;.

 idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ Herald Simon Collins: &#8220;In dollar terms, the tax cuts get bigger as your income rises&#8221;</p>
<p>What a genius. Give the man a Qantas Award.  Someone staple his lips to his desk and tell him &#8220;in dollar terms, the amount of tax paid gets bigger as your income rises, and in real dollar terms people with bigger incomes are paying more marginal tax then they are getting back in cuts&#8221;.</p>
<p> idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449277</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) Murray - bloody funny.

I can see it know, Hulun brooding, gaunt and staring into the fire but focusing 10 years ago.

Mikhael, rubbing hands, attentive and rheumy eyed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Murray &#8211; bloody funny.</p>
<p>I can see it know, Hulun brooding, gaunt and staring into the fire but focusing 10 years ago.</p>
<p>Mikhael, rubbing hands, attentive and rheumy eyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449273</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but Philip John said yesterday that the &quot;budjet&quot; &lt;i&gt;looks to be sensible and pragmatic.&lt;/i&gt; and intimated that this was all caused by the National Party. You&#039;ll just have to tell all those analysts and journalists that they are wrong and he is right. 

I just do not understand why Michael Cullen would place New Zealand in this position. Surely screwing over his opposition, who will now be even more likely to take over as the next government, is not in the best interest of New Zealand? Don&#039;t these people have families and friends who will have to deal with the fallout of this type of bullshit?

And why in the hell is National supporting this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but Philip John said yesterday that the &#8220;budjet&#8221; <i>looks to be sensible and pragmatic.</i> and intimated that this was all caused by the National Party. You&#8217;ll just have to tell all those analysts and journalists that they are wrong and he is right. </p>
<p>I just do not understand why Michael Cullen would place New Zealand in this position. Surely screwing over his opposition, who will now be even more likely to take over as the next government, is not in the best interest of New Zealand? Don&#8217;t these people have families and friends who will have to deal with the fallout of this type of bullshit?</p>
<p>And why in the hell is National supporting this?</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449271</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burn it, burn all Michael.

Yes leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burn it, burn all Michael.</p>
<p>Yes leader.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449269</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great salesman once told me &quot;people buy people&quot;.  

No-one is buying Mikhael, the punters think he&#039;s a c@nt.  

Politics gets real simple sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great salesman once told me &#8220;people buy people&#8221;.  </p>
<p>No-one is buying Mikhael, the punters think he&#8217;s a c@nt.  </p>
<p>Politics gets real simple sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449266</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we say in Texas Hold&#039;em the Labour party is short stacked and Cullen has gone all in on a bluff. The only problem for Cullen is the other players at the table know this and will call him out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we say in Texas Hold&#8217;em the Labour party is short stacked and Cullen has gone all in on a bluff. The only problem for Cullen is the other players at the table know this and will call him out.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449263</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a scorched earth strategy ordered from the Helenbunker.</description>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449262</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikhael has done his best.  On the eve of an upcoming nasty few years, in the face of evidence that an inflationary budget will keep Ma and Pa Middle New Zealands mortgage rate higher for longer, Mikhael and Hulun toss the curs a few scraps and hope it quashes their hunger for change.

The disengenuous part is to claim that those most in need will be helped the most; those in need the most will be hurting more than they receive back through higher percentage costs incurred via GST, fuel tax, food price rises, rates increases, electricity price rises, schooling fee increases, mortgage rate rises (as fixed term deals roll over to new, higher rates) etc.

The most in need are typically one income, two or three kids, large mortgage, shit old house with no insulation and they&#039;re getting tossed a few bucks in tax back plus working for families.  Just give them their money back in zero tax for the first Xk if you earn less than Y , factored by regional and and have child/ren cost adjusters and make mortgage interest of some proportion deductible against income (its good enough for LAQC&#039;s run by MP&#039;s).  Perhaps make home insulation a tax deductible expense - radical.

Whats bitter is Mikhael and Huluns last ditch attempt to leave a no win legacy for the next government at the expense of the New Zealand public; as long as they look good its all right mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikhael has done his best.  On the eve of an upcoming nasty few years, in the face of evidence that an inflationary budget will keep Ma and Pa Middle New Zealands mortgage rate higher for longer, Mikhael and Hulun toss the curs a few scraps and hope it quashes their hunger for change.</p>
<p>The disengenuous part is to claim that those most in need will be helped the most; those in need the most will be hurting more than they receive back through higher percentage costs incurred via GST, fuel tax, food price rises, rates increases, electricity price rises, schooling fee increases, mortgage rate rises (as fixed term deals roll over to new, higher rates) etc.</p>
<p>The most in need are typically one income, two or three kids, large mortgage, shit old house with no insulation and they&#8217;re getting tossed a few bucks in tax back plus working for families.  Just give them their money back in zero tax for the first Xk if you earn less than Y , factored by regional and and have child/ren cost adjusters and make mortgage interest of some proportion deductible against income (its good enough for LAQC&#8217;s run by MP&#8217;s).  Perhaps make home insulation a tax deductible expense &#8211; radical.</p>
<p>Whats bitter is Mikhael and Huluns last ditch attempt to leave a no win legacy for the next government at the expense of the New Zealand public; as long as they look good its all right mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Michael McKenna</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/budget_roundup.html#comment-449261</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant Michael McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Dr Cullen will be seen as having caused the fiscal blow-out, and so long as the first English budget isn&#039;t a replay of Ruthenasia National will escape opprobium, except amongst the people-who-are-not-employed-to-blog-but-only-blog-from-their-offices-in-government-offices, and as they will be out of a job they won&#039;t have much to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Dr Cullen will be seen as having caused the fiscal blow-out, and so long as the first English budget isn&#8217;t a replay of Ruthenasia National will escape opprobium, except amongst the people-who-are-not-employed-to-blog-but-only-blog-from-their-offices-in-government-offices, and as they will be out of a job they won&#8217;t have much to say.</p>
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