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	<title>Comments on: EFA is reason Labour websites taken down</title>
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		<title>By: labrator</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450889</link>
		<dc:creator>labrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 06:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this perhaps a sign that they&#039;re planning on prosecuting National supporting websites? That wouldn&#039;t surprise me after the EMPU court case that Labour would like its day in court with National or National supporters on the receiving end. It&#039;ll be dirty politics until the election dust has settled so this move would make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this perhaps a sign that they&#8217;re planning on prosecuting National supporting websites? That wouldn&#8217;t surprise me after the EMPU court case that Labour would like its day in court with National or National supporters on the receiving end. It&#8217;ll be dirty politics until the election dust has settled so this move would make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450878</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 05:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Mr N Muntz said it best.

Ha ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Mr N Muntz said it best.</p>
<p>Ha ha!</p>
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		<title>By: damocles</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450801</link>
		<dc:creator>damocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 02:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For once, I support the Electoral Finance Act -- at least, on the issue of government websites and press releases promoting the party that happens to be in power. It would be a blessed relief to read a press release on a new government initiative that doesn&#039;t suggest sainthood for the party and minister who happened to head up the department whose work is being promoted.

Let&#039;s keep this bit in when we revisit the legislation post-Election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For once, I support the Electoral Finance Act &#8212; at least, on the issue of government websites and press releases promoting the party that happens to be in power. It would be a blessed relief to read a press release on a new government initiative that doesn&#8217;t suggest sainthood for the party and minister who happened to head up the department whose work is being promoted.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep this bit in when we revisit the legislation post-Election.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Edgeler</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450724</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Edgeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 00:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But having no authorisation statement does carry an offence provision under s64(2) and also if the cost is over $120,000 a corrupt practice under s66(1)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Section 64(2) has nothing to do with promoter statements.

Section 67 prohibits publishing or permitting to be published. It is substantially different from section 63 and 66, the offences in which relate to &quot;promoters&quot; and not to publishers.

A &lt;b&gt;breach&lt;/b&gt; of section 67 may be committed by a Government Department - even through something like acquiescence, But the &lt;b&gt;offences&lt;/b&gt; you list cannot be - unless the publication is on the Department&#039;s (or the Chief Executive&#039;s) initiative. I don&#039;t know that anyone is seriously suggesting that as a possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But having no authorisation statement does carry an offence provision under s64(2) and also if the cost is over $120,000 a corrupt practice under s66(1)</p></blockquote>
<p>Section 64(2) has nothing to do with promoter statements.</p>
<p>Section 67 prohibits publishing or permitting to be published. It is substantially different from section 63 and 66, the offences in which relate to &#8220;promoters&#8221; and not to publishers.</p>
<p>A <b>breach</b> of section 67 may be committed by a Government Department &#8211; even through something like acquiescence, But the <b>offences</b> you list cannot be &#8211; unless the publication is on the Department&#8217;s (or the Chief Executive&#8217;s) initiative. I don&#8217;t know that anyone is seriously suggesting that as a possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450696</link>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 23:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But having no authorisation statement does carry an offence provision under s64(2) and also if the cost is over $120,000 a corrupt practice under s66(1)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But having no authorisation statement does carry an offence provision under s64(2) and also if the cost is over $120,000 a corrupt practice under s66(1)</p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450681</link>
		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill  English raised this yesterday during question time: http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Qb31NDMJI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill  English raised this yesterday during question time: <a href="http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Qb31NDMJI" rel="nofollow">http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Qb31NDMJI</a></p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Edgeler</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450678</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Edgeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 22:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The head of the Department of Internal Affairs should be charged for breaching the Act.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Section 67 - the ban on Government departments publishing election advertisements - contains no offence provision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The head of the Department of Internal Affairs should be charged for breaching the Act.</p></blockquote>
<p>Section 67 &#8211; the ban on Government departments publishing election advertisements &#8211; contains no offence provision.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450671</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The head of the Department of Internal Affairs should be charged for breaching the Act. 

This is balant promoting of the Labour party. This is an illegal and a corrupt practive from the head of the Department of Internal Affairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The head of the Department of Internal Affairs should be charged for breaching the Act. </p>
<p>This is balant promoting of the Labour party. This is an illegal and a corrupt practive from the head of the Department of Internal Affairs.</p>
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		<title>By: aardvark</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450670</link>
		<dc:creator>aardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t this whole thing reflect badly on *every* Kiwi?

After all (as the politicians keep telling us) they are accountable to the voters and if they don&#039;t do their job properly, they&#039;ll get voted out.

But we keep voting the bastards back in!

I think this country needs a *real* breath of fresh air rather than doing what we&#039;ve been doing forever -- simply turning our undies inside out ever couple of terms so the least shitty side is next to our bum-skin.

That&#039;s why I keep promoting the concept of recoverable proxy.  Yes, it would be a *really* bold step (although not as bold as some think) and it would allow *US*, the people of the nation to have the final say in the passing of all legislation.

As a nation of individuals, we could have recovered our proxies and killed the EFA stone dead.

Instead, we effectively hand over all responsibility and control of the nation to an autocracy that changes hands every few terms.

Come on people -- this is the 21st century.  Why are we still using a representative political system that was created in an era when there weren&#039;t even telephones or reliable private transport?

If we want the country run right, we have to take personal responsibility for demanding change.

Or have I got this wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t this whole thing reflect badly on *every* Kiwi?</p>
<p>After all (as the politicians keep telling us) they are accountable to the voters and if they don&#8217;t do their job properly, they&#8217;ll get voted out.</p>
<p>But we keep voting the bastards back in!</p>
<p>I think this country needs a *real* breath of fresh air rather than doing what we&#8217;ve been doing forever &#8212; simply turning our undies inside out ever couple of terms so the least shitty side is next to our bum-skin.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I keep promoting the concept of recoverable proxy.  Yes, it would be a *really* bold step (although not as bold as some think) and it would allow *US*, the people of the nation to have the final say in the passing of all legislation.</p>
<p>As a nation of individuals, we could have recovered our proxies and killed the EFA stone dead.</p>
<p>Instead, we effectively hand over all responsibility and control of the nation to an autocracy that changes hands every few terms.</p>
<p>Come on people &#8212; this is the 21st century.  Why are we still using a representative political system that was created in an era when there weren&#8217;t even telephones or reliable private transport?</p>
<p>If we want the country run right, we have to take personal responsibility for demanding change.</p>
<p>Or have I got this wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: first time caller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450648</link>
		<dc:creator>first time caller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, we know they broke the law and weren&#039;t prosecuted after the last election, why will play any differently this election?

The Nats will play with a straight bat, Labour will cheat. If the election is close, they will hang on for months while it goes through the courts...

I think I&#039;ll go to Australia too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, we know they broke the law and weren&#8217;t prosecuted after the last election, why will play any differently this election?</p>
<p>The Nats will play with a straight bat, Labour will cheat. If the election is close, they will hang on for months while it goes through the courts&#8230;</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll go to Australia too.</p>
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		<title>By: ray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450638</link>
		<dc:creator>ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice Kwiblogblog was morbund yesterday and is not even coming up this morning
Could be just a coincidence, might be just my computer but certainly backs up some claims made by the right about that blogs writers and its backers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice Kwiblogblog was morbund yesterday and is not even coming up this morning<br />
Could be just a coincidence, might be just my computer but certainly backs up some claims made by the right about that blogs writers and its backers</p>
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		<title>By: goodgod</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450636</link>
		<dc:creator>goodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labour are getting spanked over this.  They&#039;re loving every minute of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour are getting spanked over this.  They&#8217;re loving every minute of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Spondre</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450617</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Spondre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 20:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, the law of unintended consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, the law of unintended consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450601</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helen&#039; Pledge Card at the last election, if I remember rightly had a reference on it to the Labour Party Website, had reference to the Student Interest Loans something like: &quot;Only a vote for Labour will get you this loan&quot;.

I concluded, at the time that the offer was an out and out &quot;bribe&quot; and lodged a complaint with the Chief Electoral Officer to no avail? I argued at the time, in my complaint that to the Police Commissioner: &#039; That as a servant of the Crown she was advantaging her Labour Party over the other Parties.&#039; The media at the time were referring to bribes.

Today it still would not be considered a bribe. It would just be an election expense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helen&#8217; Pledge Card at the last election, if I remember rightly had a reference on it to the Labour Party Website, had reference to the Student Interest Loans something like: &#8220;Only a vote for Labour will get you this loan&#8221;.</p>
<p>I concluded, at the time that the offer was an out and out &#8220;bribe&#8221; and lodged a complaint with the Chief Electoral Officer to no avail? I argued at the time, in my complaint that to the Police Commissioner: &#8216; That as a servant of the Crown she was advantaging her Labour Party over the other Parties.&#8217; The media at the time were referring to bribes.</p>
<p>Today it still would not be considered a bribe. It would just be an election expense?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/efa_is_reason_labour_websites_taken_down.html#comment-450599</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 19:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough on the beehive website, the government should not be using thier governmental role to promote thier party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough on the beehive website, the government should not be using thier governmental role to promote thier party.</p>
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