It’s hard being Labour
To celebrate May Day, we have another reader video, showing how hard it is to be Labour.
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Tags: David Benson-Pope, David Cunliffe, Helen Clark, Labour, Lianne Dalziel, Michael Cullen, Trevor Mallard, You Tube
May 1st, 2008 at 11:19 am
One question.
What is the difference between misleading and untrue? It seems that from that video, Helen is happy to mislead the public so long as they are not lied to?
And in what context is misleading not lying?
May 1st, 2008 at 11:19 am
More personal attacks from the National Party eh?
May 1st, 2008 at 11:20 am
From Wikipedia: “The May Queen is also known as The Maiden, Fertility goddess or the goddess of the spring (season), flower bride, Queen of the Elves, and the lady of the flowers.
The May Queen is a symbol of the stillness of nature around which everything revolves. She embodies purity, strength and the potential for growth, as the plants grow in May. She is one of many personifications of the energy of the earth, fertility and feminity.”
I guess Helen is not the Queen of the May then.
May 1st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Tane: More personal attacks from the National Party eh?
Yeah, those nasty rich prick haters and wreckers!
May 1st, 2008 at 11:32 am
Yes Tane, it’s all part of the vast right wing conspiracy. We know who you are and where you live. We have kidnapped your letter box and if you want it back you will stfu. Apart from that I thought that was one of better ones. The bit about the billboards is very funny.
May 1st, 2008 at 11:32 am
Tane
What is personal about it?
Where is the attack?
Is this not just a compilation of file footage?
May 1st, 2008 at 11:35 am
Hey Tane. Diddums.
May 1st, 2008 at 11:36 am
Wanker.
May 1st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Further from Wikipedia: “According to popular British folklore, the tradition once had a sinister twist, in that the May Queen was put to death once the festivities were over.” Substitute “Election defeat” for “Put to death” and maybe she is the Queen of the May cause the festivities are certainly over now.
May 1st, 2008 at 11:37 am
Hilarious!
May 1st, 2008 at 11:38 am
“More personal attacks from the National Party eh?”
No Tane! I think you’ll find that in this case it’s just good-natured humor. The right never indulges in personal attacks. The case of Karl Rove proves that.
May 1st, 2008 at 11:39 am
Personal attacks from National? Looked more like a montage of Labour goons shooting themselves in the foot to me.
May 1st, 2008 at 11:40 am
Yeah, those nasty rich prick haters and wreckers!
Don’t forget cancerous and corrosive….
May 1st, 2008 at 11:45 am
“More personal attacks from the National Party eh?”
FLG Tane, have you become a delicate and sensitive PC person these days? Notice I avoid the gender specific term: man.
What has happenned to your robust and sturdy sense of humour?
May 1st, 2008 at 11:45 am
“Don’t forget cancerous and corrosive….”——-Little creeps. ( Strange a cockroach calling someone a little creep).
May 1st, 2008 at 11:45 am
And socialistic and overlord… erm… ish
May 1st, 2008 at 11:52 am
More personal attacks from the National Party eh?
Gee Tane, have you seen the Standard lately?
May 1st, 2008 at 11:58 am
And the hits just keep on coming!
May 1st, 2008 at 11:59 am
i dont consider this personal attacks as such.. more pointing out that these people have continued to lie over a number of years.
i know lefties dont belive in personal responsibility but some of us do.
is it really a personal attack to show a video of someone admitting they “mislead” the public? i would have thought doing that would cast doubt on their ability to govern…
May 1st, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Tane is trolling- ignore him.
May 1st, 2008 at 12:01 pm
heres and example of a personal attack – mallard calls the brethrens “chinless scarf wearers”
can ya see the difference tane? roger?
May 1st, 2008 at 12:03 pm
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May 1st, 2008 at 12:05 pm
is there anyone out there actively promoting these youtube videos???
or to people have to stumble across them?
David – can you also include a link to youtube when you post things like that?? that way its easy for people like me to email the URL.. i can never find it when they are embedded
May 1st, 2008 at 12:07 pm
While some EBs may be “chinless” and some may be “scarf wearers” I believe they dont commit adultery, being people with strong moral beliefs. I know who I would prefer to trust.
May 1st, 2008 at 12:09 pm
I’m not trolling David, just pointing out that this is exactly the kind of thing that if the Left did it the Nats would be screaming about personal attacks. Hell, the Nats even complain about personal attacks when people critique their policies!
I’m genuinely sorry to have ruined your thread, I know what it’s like. But I can’t help it if every time I make a comment here I get twenty or so abusive comments thrown at me by your readers.
[DPF: Tane that video is absolutely mild compared to material on your site.]
May 1st, 2008 at 12:16 pm
” But I can’t help it if every time I make a comment here I get twenty or so abusive comments thrown at me by your readers.”
I thought masochism was common among labour ranks so thats why you came here so often. Sorry to have misjudged you.
May 1st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
From Jordan Carter:
So which part of this video is a “personal attack” exactly?
May 1st, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Stuck on diddums here.
May 1st, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Tane: But I can’t help it if every time I make a comment here I get twenty or so abusive comments thrown at me by your readers
Actually, you can help it. You could try being honest and having some standards, rather than simply singing the “Labour Good, National Bad” mantra everytime you post.
May 1st, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I don’t know what is sadder
That these are the idiots who are supposed to be running the country
Or the fact that we have let them.
New Zealanders need to have the same backbone exhibited by our Anzac soldiers
and stand up for our beautiful country
AT THE NEXT ELECTION
These people have made fools out of us all for too long.
May 1st, 2008 at 12:56 pm
democracymum
I can suggest something sadder than your suggestions: grown people who go to blog sites that they feel threatened by to deliberately troll because they are working from an ethically redundant mind-set. You have to ask, “Couldn’t his/her bosses have given him something a little more ‘meaningful’ to do with his/her time?” But DPF has nailed it – the best way to destroy a troll is to ignore it, especially when it is apparent that to respond merely feeds its already overblown ego.
Hey! It wasn’t so long ago that certain characters the left were celebrating the ‘they are better at this kind of stuff than us.’ when a tory lamented the gutter-tactics employed against their opponants. As Helen would say: “What has changed,?” Well, perhaps what has changed is that those who were laughing so hard a few months ago find themselves in an actual minority of opinion, and it is hurtin’ big time. For Tane whose blog ran various ‘personal attacks’ against Key for so long to try to scale the moral higher ground is a bit like watching a red-bummed baboon scaling a greasy pole. The higher he climbs, the uglier it looks to everyone underneath him.
May 1st, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Tane, I guess this is one place where you SHOULD expect the Spanish Inquisition….
May 1st, 2008 at 1:08 pm
” a bit like watching a red-bummed baboon scaling a greasy pole. The higher he climbs, the uglier it looks to everyone underneath him.” LOVE it!
May 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Get Staffed
Helen is not queen of the May but us certainley queen of the queers
May 1st, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Hell, the Nats even complain about personal attacks when people critique their policies!
Ah, that’s because it usually takes this approach, Tutae:
“John Key can’t talk about climate change credibly when he’s a rich prick slippery baby-eater,” said Miss Clark.
Labour can’t critique policy because they don’t usually have time after getting all the personal attacks in first.
May 1st, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Its true! its true! Judith Tizards theory is true! Watch the video again carefully when Helen goes HUH HUH then read this (from Wiki again).
“While cockroaches do not have lungs and thus do not actively breathe in the vertebrate lung manner, in some very large species the body musculature may contract rhythmically to forcibly move air out and in the spiracles; this may be considered a form of breathing.”
Proof positive I believe!
May 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Tane.
How you can accuse National of engaging in personal attacks on the basis of this youtube video is astonishing. The words spoken are Labours, the footage is primarily of Labour. Admittedly it is put in a specific context but it hardly constitutes a personal attack.
If you want to see what a personal attack looks like, check the singing at the Labour Conference, Check phrases like “rich prick” and “slippery john”.
This is a type of personal attack known as “poisoning the well”. This sort of “reasoning” involves trying to discredit what a person might later claim by presenting unfavorable information (be it true or false) about the person. This “argument” has the following form:
1. Unfavorable information (be it true or false) about person A is presented.
2. Therefore any claims person A makes will be false.
This sort of “reasoning” is obviously fallacious. The person making such an attack is hoping that the unfavorable information will bias listeners against the person in question and hence that they will reject any claims he might make. However, merely presenting unfavorable information about a person (even if it is true) hardly counts as evidence against the claims he/she might make. This is especially clear when Poisoning the Well is looked at as a form of ad Homimem in which the attack is made prior to the person even making the claim or claims.
This is exactly what we are seeing from the Labour Benches today. It is disgusting, boorish and childish and the public of NZ deserve better.
May 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Tane says:
Reality check time, Tane. Have a look at this. It’s a Labour supporter’s video, listing the many admirable achievements of Labour, going back to the introduction of State housing and so forth. While some of the points they list might be contentious (opposition to conscription in WWI for instance) in the minds of some, there’s no doubt that Labour has a history of Leaders being open about their beliefs and standing up for them openly and honestly, and sometimes achieving great things in the process.
So how does this hagiographic portrayal end?
“There’s more to Labour than Helen Clark”
Given the source, it says volumes more about the credibility of the ‘leader’ you desperately defend than any National supporter’s “attack” video ever could, don’t you think?
Labour’s cause may not be lost – but this government’s certainly is.
May 1st, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Johnboy – brilliant!!!
And Tane, if you can’t stand the heat……….
May 1st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Rex – interesting video link.
The Labour film-maker provided an unwitting example of another Labour achievement (fucking up our education system) with the glaring spelling mistake in the first line!
And as for Dave “Hobgoblin” Dobbyn’s nauseous soundtrack – don’t they realise that “Loyal” has been shortlisted as one of the worst NZ songs ever written?
May 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
What virtue remains in the Labour party that commands Tane’s continued loyal support and which is no longer seen by their constituents?
May 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
But Pita, Tane reckons he doesn’t support Labour. He obviously just gets off on attacking National and John Key!
May 1st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
A direct quote from The Standard about Judith Collins…………………..
“Collins is rabidly anti the welfare state and a nasty piece of work. ”
Calling Judith Collins “a nasty piece of work” is a personal attack.
True to form, Tane, your pissy little piece of propaganda should be called the Double Standard.
May 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pm
whale oil’s response to the standard’s response to these cracked me up. hey, video wars! yay! very web3.
May 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pm
we are ruled by fuckwits. tane , and there are people who post in support of these fuckwits, need i say more, ps tane i se helen clark/davis NEW best friends the commie chinese have sent TIBETIANS to prison from 3years to life um SOON chopped up for organs i would say , another thought tane most precursors for P come from good old disgusting red china, so our liarbour best friend are stuffing our countries future up , but hell tane fly the red flag (the workers flag is deepest red , YER RIGHT great tui ad TANE, post on
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May 2nd, 2008 at 7:05 am
A nice summary of why Labour must go; they are in the same league as red Ken and his fucked up cohorts who have been screwing the London taxpayer. Too much power for too long and they have become well and truely corrupt.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:47 am
Tane is a hand puppet for Helen Clark. The only time he talks is when dear leader has her hand up his ass.