Meaningless gestures

May 30th, 2008 at 7:02 am by David Farrar

What is it with the Greens and meaningless gestures. They think banning smacking will solve child abuse, and photo ops of MPs in Hoodies will do something meaningful for youth:

Earlier, Opposition parties were not invited to a youth event hosted by Government ministers, and Ms Bennett said Youth Week was clearly not a “truly cross-party” initiative.

She said she was not acting under National Party orders, but had not seen the point of promoting a Labour Government thing.

“There are bigger issues for youth out there, and me fronting up and wearing a hoodie is not what I think will fix any of the biggest issues for youth.”

The no-show drew a retort from Green MP Metiria Turei, who said it showed “an inherent disrespect for young people”.

For fuck’s sake, I doubt a single young person in the country could be found who gives a flying fuck about whether an MP poses for a photo opportunity in a hoodie, and that doing so empowers them or whatever rationale there is.

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101 Responses to “Meaningless gestures”

  1. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    any ‘yoof who DOESNT think ‘braddy, ‘tiria and tancie look like complete tossers needs their head read.

    They look like the teaching staff who tried to get ‘hip’ and ‘rad’ with the kids and got labelled ‘that complete tosser’.

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  2. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    CAPTION CONTEST! CAPTION CONTEST! Here’s mine:

    ‘Progressive Islamics show they can be ‘hip’, just like westerners.’

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  3. davidp (3,588 comments) says:

    They’ve got matching hoodies, showing that they were wearing clothing that a PA had just gone and purchased a few minutes earlier, rather than brought their own in from home. How sad is that?

    And the one on the right doesn’t even have his hood up, because he has gaffer-taped a cushion to his head. What a tragic wanker!

    Don’t the Greens have the oldest average age for MPs in parliament, after Anderton’s one man party?

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  4. Flashman (184 comments) says:

    Dribbledick silly nonsense like “Hoodie Day” is tangible proof that this government is begging for a mercy kill.

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  5. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Mercy kill, I love it.

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  6. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    The demented utopian spineless hoods are a disgrace and a complete waste of time. The green hoodoo freakshow party have hood winked this country into believing they are a necessary part of our political landscape. Don’t be fooled as these creeps sully the good name of Kiwiland. Look these parasitic –jellyfish – scumbag hot air bags talk utter crap and we need them as much as we need a hole in our head. These nimby communists are foolish gits and there anti smacking law has done nothing to hinder rampant child abuse. The greens back a hoodie day. What has New Zealand become? I hope these watermelons are eradicated from parliament, at least MP’s might stop smoking dope in the beehive then. Have another joint ropehead freakster .

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  7. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    *creeps away slowly from the ranting person on street corner*

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  8. Bryan Spondre (556 comments) says:

    $35,000 for Hoodie Day ? yet more Taxpayers Money Wasted

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  9. Russell Brown (405 comments) says:

    Calm down David. Surely the issue is that the two MPs undertook to be there, then couldn’t be bothered turning up.

    [DPF: And they said why]

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  10. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Respect is earned not issued Turia.

    Look into it.

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  11. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    Nandor’s doing an elephant man impersonation?

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  12. Bok (740 comments) says:

    Murray
    Usually I agree with most things you say, but if there is one thing about Kiwis that piss me off it is this “respect is earned” bullshit. I was taught that one actually start out by respecting some-one for the mere fact that they are a human being. Respect can be lost, it never needs to be earned.

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  13. dog_eat_dog (790 comments) says:

    “This is what your children will end up like if you don’t smack them”

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  14. Russell Brown (405 comments) says:

    They’ve got matching hoodies, showing that they were wearing clothing that a PA had just gone and purchased a few minutes earlier, rather than brought their own in from home. How sad is that?

    No, they’re the official Hoodie Day hoodies,

    And Murray, that’s Turei, not Turia. Look into it.

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  15. pirrie (15 comments) says:

    Maybe this is a cunning way to stamp out the wearing of hoodies? There would be no surer way to make something uncool than seeing a bunch of politicians wearing them. Those three FW’s with their hoodies worn in a really un-hip way look like some freaks from LOTR’s. Actually come to think about it, they would be quite at home grubbing out a living in a muddy valley living in caves, so the description is probably quite apt. If we can get some photo’s out there of Cullen and Klark wearing them the fate of the hoodie would be sealed!

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  16. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Applies to all of you screaming lefties. Look into it.

    And I’ll be damned if I’m going to display respect for anyone who behaves like an obnoxious little thug.

    Maybe thats just me.

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  17. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    No Russell, the issue is how fucking far from reality the Greens are. I did a work education session with some seventh formers yesterday and Hoodie Day came up – half the class were disgusted that $35K had been spent on it (they brought it up, not me) and the other half thought MPs trying to be cool was about as inspiring as a wet fart.

    I hope these kids are indicative of others getting the vote for the first time this year and that the Greens get arseholed out of their cushy social experiment.

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  18. Sushi Goblin (419 comments) says:

    Politically, I doubt it’s much help for the Greens either. Anything that gets them off their environmental message is unhelpful. i f I were them, I’d be preaching renewable energies by setting up a solar array outside Parliament to recharge an electric scooter (or whatever), not gadding about in dorky hats or hoods.

    What it does suggest is that the Greens feel so starved of publicity that they buy into this petty nonsense. They ought to be forswearing these photo ops, and instead be photographed picking up plastic bags out of the harbour.

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  19. Inventory2 (10,443 comments) says:

    Ah well, as my contribution to Hoodie Day, I’ve made sure that the only sweatshirt I own that has a hood is in the wash today. That way there’s no chance of me supporting this waste of taxpayer dollars.

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  20. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Official hoodie day hoodies – ffs.

    So some twat MP’s can get some press coverage leading up to the election.

    The PR advisor who sanctioned that one should be shot.

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  21. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    The Greens are desperate to resonate with the young. After all, they’re abusing the education system to indoctrinate them with their anti-capitalist commie crap. Of course they would try and capitalize on this.

    The fact is, the three aging cynical poseurs in the hoods are not young, but they pretend to be. Is Nandor 50 yet? Wonder where he parked his skateboard. Next to Bradford’s walking frame? ..and how come Turei is so overweight? Hardly compatible with minimizing your carbon footprint is it?

    That’s the left for you. Propaganda and deceit, and making use of the gullible and the naive and the ignorant to advance their poisonous political agenda. All they ever do. All they ever really have.

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  22. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    $35,000 for this!…what a fucking waste of MY money.

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  23. coge (190 comments) says:

    Here we go. Pensioners facing unaffordable power bills, due to our cave dwelling leadership pandering to whacked-out hippy ideas, an economic supply of electricity is not possible. We are still relying on our ’70’s supply. This is unacceptable in a modern society. Green sleaze – pensioners freeze. Wearing hoodies is just plain silly, unless you’re a shop lifter.

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  24. Rich Prick (1,729 comments) says:

    Happy “hoddie day” every one. BTW, your tag “dopey idiots” sums this issue up perfectly.

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  25. radar (319 comments) says:

    Here is Redbaiter attacking someone’s age, and another person’s weight. Again showing the classiness of the right.

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  26. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Here is radar filling the role of Sonic and GWW!

    Do you really think this is a good way to spend $35,000 of my money Radar?

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  27. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    “Here is Redbaiter attacking someone’s age, and another person’s weight.”

    What’s wrong calling a spade a spade?

    Some of you lefties have become so brainwashed and politically correct that are unable to call things as they are. Turei is plumpy, Nandor is starting to show his age, and Bradford…. well, I better not comment. :-)

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  28. GPT1 (2,123 comments) says:

    It is bloody stupid and frankly offensive to many youth who have no desire to be tainted with the hoodie image. Why is it that this yoof initiative seems so intent on rehabilitating/promoting a less than desirable part of “yoof culture”? And yes I know that some hoodie wearers are very nice people but the reality is a bunch of hooded people (of any age for that matter) is a negative and intimidating image.

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  29. davidp (3,588 comments) says:

    Russell>No, they’re the official Hoodie Day hoodies,

    Which makes it even more tragic. They’ve taken something a bit counter-culture and made it an “official” promotional item to be given out to MPs. MPs who, if the photo is any guide, are old enough to be the grandparents of wearers of non-“Official Hoodie Day” hoodies.

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  30. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Hmmm! Today’s Herald-Digipoll showed the Greens at 6.4% of the overall party vote, but a whopping 17.6% among the 18-24 age group. So they must be doing something right to appeal to young people – even if it is just not demonising them like Labour and National seem to be.

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  31. Bob (497 comments) says:

    There is a bit of the immaturity about the Greens.

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  32. Colonel Masters (409 comments) says:

    From http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10513394

    Youth Affairs Minister Nanaia Mahuta said Mr Mark’s comments only served to highlight the negative attitude towards youth.

    “I don’t think there would be a whole lot of young people that wouldn’t agree with him…”

    So… they DO agree with him?

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  33. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Oops, I said “…even if it is just not demonising them like Labour and National seem to be.” Should have had had NZ First at the front of that list.

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  34. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    toad

    Yep..letting them smoke dope, drink booze, commit crime safe in the knowledge that they will never be locked up and encouraging them to wear meaningless American gangsta culture clothing is really going to win you votes.

    I guess you don’t care that the streets are unsafe, just as long as 17.6% of these brain dead idiots keep voting for you, or is a matter of $35,000 well spent if they vote Green?

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  35. infused (660 comments) says:

    I am 25 and I ware hoodies because they are warm. I don’t really care about anything else.

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  36. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “So they must be doing something right to appeal to young people”

    You call indoctrinating them through misuse of the education system “something right”?? Shows again what little morality the left have, and what gross perversions they will commit in their obsession to destroy capitalism.

    The fact that the older citizens do not share the same enthusiasm for your fake environmental cause shows they leave your delusional crap behind once they get some real world experience and the effect of your propaganda wears off.

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  37. casual watcher (289 comments) says:

    These people are meaningless, shallow and irrelevant and they have nothing to offer this country. This photo just might do the trick and stop my dear old Mum from voting for these fuckwits.

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  38. Andrew Bannister (213 comments) says:

    Wow, another intellectually stimulating thread at Kiwiblog fuelled by an equally intelligent post by DPF.
    Seriously David, Kiwiblog used to be an interesting read, with interesting debates. However, these are few and far between now. I’m afraid that this will be my last visit to your site. There are other blogs that are far, far better than Kiwiblog now. You must have noticed that all the good commenters (both left and right) rarely post anymore, if at all.

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  39. Lindsay Addie (1,595 comments) says:

    The no-show drew a retort from Green MP Metiria Turei, who said it showed “an inherent disrespect for young people”.

    What an absolute load of PC bullshit……

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  40. Twocan (25 comments) says:

    Im glad you blogged on this as when I saw an article the other day regarding “hoodie” day it got me wondering as to how demeaning it was to many of NZ’s youth to be represented by an article of clothing that in parts of the world are banned from shopping malls due to the trouble usually caused by the sorts of youth wearing them.

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  41. TJCO (59 comments) says:

    Greens will be campaigning for Threatening Ethnic Glue sniffer day also shortly…

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  42. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “You must have noticed that all the good commenters (both left and right) rarely post anymore, if at all.”

    What I have noted is that with your use of the term “good’, you demonstrate once again that the left cannot distinguish between their own subjective opinions and reality. Whatever, Kiwiblog is by far the most popular venue. That could be because the traffic here is more varied than the stifling pretentious humourless pedantic wall to wall leftism that is prevalent at the sites such as you prefer.

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  43. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    What a huge over-reaction David. Would you rather they all promote scoutting?

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  44. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Paul W

    The fact that this government has wasted $35,000 on this promotion seems to have passed you by, would that money not be better spent elsewhere?

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  45. davidp (3,588 comments) says:

    >it got me wondering as to how demeaning it was to many of NZ’s youth to be represented by an article of clothing that in parts of the world are banned from shopping malls

    Not half as demeaning as being represented by three people old enough to be their grandparents trying to dress up in youth clothes. And getting it all wrong.

    Full disclosure: I’m 42 and wear hoodies from time to time. They’re warm and comfortable. But there is no way that I’d wear a promotional hoodie for a photo shoot outside parliament. That would embarrass me AND patronise young people.

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  46. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    Paul W

    The fact that this government has wasted $35,000 on this promotion seems to have passed you by, would that money not be better spent elsewhere?

    Like, hummm, scoutting?

    Look I think this is a classic storm in a teacup.

    The government’s trying to de-demonise kids who wear hoodies. National needs a bogeyman to justify it’s law-n-order beatup therefore funding for Hoodie-day is wasteful.

    And precisely how much money would go on the boot-camps National promised?

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  47. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    DAMN i have just been sick on my keyboard, give us suitable warning Mr Farrar

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  48. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Paul W

    “Like, hummm, scoutting?” “Look I think this is a classic storm in a teacup”

    Typical response from a socialist, to you $35,000 is not a large sum at all, hell its not as if it is your money anyway.

    “And precisely how much money would go on the boot-camps National promised?”

    Millions I would hope, that way we might be able to stop the little bastards turning into criminals and Labour party voters.

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  49. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    BB said:

    Typical response from a socialist, to you $35,000 is not a large sum at all, hell its not as if it is your money anyway.

    Don’t tell my accountant or broker hey!

    “And precisely how much money would go on the boot-camps National promised?”

    Millions I would hope, that way we might be able to stop the little bastards turning into criminals and Labour party voters.

    That makes great sense BB. Lets not spend $35k to help avoid kids going off the rails and instead spend millions on boot-camps once they have! Brilliant. I’m assuming that the staff running the boot-camp will somehow fit under the cap on number within the public service too? But of course, National will privatise prisons anyway right?

    It’s all clear now BB, ‘cept I’m still not sure if the scouts are being adequately involved, god knows they’ve done great work over the years!

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  50. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    “The government’s trying to de-demonise kids who wear hoodies. ”
    And you’re confident this wonderful Hoodie Day will achieve that, aren’t you?

    Your faith in government-sponsored initiatives is badly misplaced and shows your socialist faith at its worst.

    Have you considered a better use of these funds, and, more importantly, less intromission of the state in the lives of its citizens? That would be a good start.

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  51. Brian Smaller (4,026 comments) says:

    Coastlands Mall have said that hoodies (being worn to cover the head) are still banned from their mall. On a cold winter morning when out for a walk they are great. As a way of hiding features from security cameras they are awful things.

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  52. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    Manolo said:

    And you’re confident this wonderful Hoodie Day will achieve that, aren’t you?

    Your faith in government-sponsored initiatives is badly misplaced and shows your socialist faith at its worst.

    I’m confident that the fence at the top is better than the ambulance at the bottom, yeah.

    Manolo, if you expect to be taken seriously you might want to broaden your vocabulary to include other words; calling someone a socialist because they prefer to spend money preventatively rather than on more prisons ought to be part of Godwins Law.

    By the way, your cynicism is showing and it’s ugly.

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  53. Manolo (14,082 comments) says:

    Paul W, all I’ll say is I despise do-gooders of your ilk.

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  54. gabba gabba hey (15 comments) says:

    Inevitable, fatuous, money wasting consequence of a bloated public sector looking for something to do with our money. Handwringers and usual apologists who are on the state payroll will defend it of course.

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  55. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    what the hell is that thing called around the matted hair of the rasta?nandor i think his name is that, hoddies and rastas and matted hair look like dog shit in the REAL world

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  56. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    I’m so incredibly surprised to hear that.

    I don’t generally despise people I don’t know simply because I don’t agree with them. It’s tiresome.

    Perhaps now we can return to the point at issue or have you already made all your arguments? I can’t help wondering if your actually disinterested in the issue, prefering instead the opportunity to be arsehole?

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  57. labrator (1,850 comments) says:

    What was the $35k spent on exactly? The last I heard NZ has the highest youth suicide rate in the world which kind of says we’re not doing right by our young people. That’s not to say that I think the $35k was well spent as I don’t know exactly what it was spent on. However anything to help raise positive awareness for our young people and allow people of any age group to show support for them by the wearing of a symbolic item of clothing has got to be good.

    “Inherent disrespect for young people” however has got to be one of the stupidest things I’ve heard this week and I appreciate DPF’s point here. However I do hope (but don’t know) that there would be a bi-partisan approach to youth support and tackling youth issues in youth week and unfortunately this “hoodie debate” has masked this.

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  58. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Paul W

    Not for one minute do I think you are a fool, although sadly it seems that you are simply another apologist for this corrupt govt, you seem to be the epitome of Labour = Good, National = Bad left wing nutters.

    There is NO evidence that this waste of money is going to stop one kid getting in trouble, this is simply (and I know that you realise this) a sop to the Greens and a cynical waste of my money chasing the youth vote.

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  59. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    BB,

    Thanks for the compliment of sorts. I’m no apologist for this, or any, government and I’m far from convinved they’d measure up against a really corrupt government. My comments reflect my own views about how best to avoid alienating young people – I’ve got my own by the way. I agree that in this instance, there’ll not likely be evidence to show wearing a hoodie will help make kids feel less stigmatised (there’s not always evidence for policy BTW, that doesn’t mean it’s not worth trying however). I am clear though that it’s worth trying and significantly more likely to benefit kids than waiting for them to get into trouble and then consigning them to boot-camps. Doesn’t it worry you somewhat that National’s approach to these kids is so, frankly, Victorian?

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  60. unaha-closp (1,180 comments) says:

    Nice to see the Greens/Labour adopting the “hug a hoodie” strategy of the UK Tories.

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  61. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Paul W

    “Doesn’t it worry you somewhat that National’s approach to these kids is so, frankly, Victorian?”

    No!

    Frankly we have ruined a generation (or two) of our youth by pandering to the PC and social engineering groups, youth are no different to adults in as much as when you take away all possible punishments you are actually encouraging crime.
    Ask yourself this Paul, if you knew that you would never be prosecuted for speeding would you always keep to the speed limit?, we are basically saying to our kids “this is the way we think you should behave but if you do not then there are no consequences”

    Kids know that they will not be caned at school, they now know they cannot be smacked by their parents, they know that the courts cannot touch them and we still wonder why we have a rise in youth crime?
    It is time that the those who were so keen to see the cane and smacking removed admit they were wrong and we reintroduce a bit of old fashioned discipline, kids actually respond well to a well set and well defined set of rules and boundaries, what we have now boarders on anarchy in many towns and cities.

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  62. WARP5 (9 comments) says:

    These Green idiots are a complete embarrassment to New Zealand. What a bunch of losers!

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  63. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    BB, we disagree – not just on the solution but on the extent of the problem.

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  64. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    I’ve got an idea you lot will like – why don’t we just shoot anyone who’s seen in public wearing a hoodie? After all you must be up to no good, if you’re wearing a hoodie…

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  65. Rex Widerstrom (5,354 comments) says:

    Congratulations to the Greens. In one cleverly devised PR move they have manged to set about winning over a demographic previously out of their reach – conservative middle class older voters.

    By dressing three complete knobheads up in hoodies and making sure their photograph is widely seen they have, in a single brilliant move, made said item of clothing now so indelibly uncool that there must be garment bonfires blazing in every state-house-heavy suburb across the nation.

    So much smarter than dingbats like Ron Mark, desperate for a headline and a dead-cat-bounce in the polls by shrilly shrieking against an inoffensive item of clothing and being – rightly – laughed at by anyone with more than half a brain (i.e. anyone outside their voter demographic). If Ron, Doug and Winston had simply popped on their hoodies and paraded for the cameras they’d have achieved their objective. As long as they hadn’t tried any of those complex finger-signs the gangs effect, since Ron seems to have mental control of only one finger at a time.

    But perhaps most hilarious of all are the organisers of this particular waste-fest, who seem not to have realised that an official icon of counter culture is in fact the ultimate in oxymorons.

    My sides are splitting, honestly.

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  66. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Paul W

    Perhaps you should go for a “wander” around you town center of an evening, the extent of the problem soon becomes obvious.

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  67. baxter (893 comments) says:

    Big Bruv you are right on….to parody the maxim about Moslems and Terrorists…’.Every Hoodie is not a tagger, but every tagger is a hoodie.’

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  68. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    Dave, more assumptions by the right and the old.

    Wearing my hoodie today, I asked a couple of kids at the cafe next to me, what Hoodie day meant, and they were wrapped that the demystifying of what it means to wear a hoodie.

    So in the finest tradition of poo-sux, right off the mark I know 4 people under 20 who give a fuck.

    I loved Phill Heatley’s rant the other day. How to turn off the 18-25 vote in one foul swoop, and Ron Mark, well the world needs relics of the ‘send them to boot camp’ era.

    It means something to kids, just because the old don’t get it, get over yourselves, comments like Rex’s etc are of course the rants of the middle aged -middle class intelligentsia pontificating on their own navels.

    Let them have their day, does it hurt you that much – really?

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  69. LabourMustBeLiquidated (290 comments) says:

    Paul, what a crock of shit mate.

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  70. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    and the one with the seemingly clever nickname, this issue and your response illustrates to us on the left just why we should be suspicious of anything from the right.

    In all seriousness this whole issue has nothing to do with you guys, it doesn’t cost your money, it doesn’t affect you guys, but this issue is important to some people out there, and you guys just don’t get it.

    All New Zealanders must be wary of the right. Poking their dirty racist xenophobic noses in where it doesn’t need to be is exactly why we don’t like you guys. Stick to the accounting and keep the F out of things that just aren’t your business.

    I mean how does one make the leap from a day about youth culture to denigrating Islam, pretty fucked up don’t you think.

    It beggars belief that you could all be so bloody opinionated with such vitriol and spite, about something that is for the kids.

    Take your filthy bloody little noses and go stick them back in the orrifice which they are accustomed, I mean really comments about cloth heads over this issue – grow the f up.

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  71. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    “what a crock of shit mate.”

    by that oh one with the silly nickname,

    do you mean that you disagree that youth have concerns about how they are treated? Hmm well they do.

    Do you disagree with them finding creative ways to draw attention to their issues?

    Are these people not allowed their opinion creatively expressed?

    Do you have to have an opinion about everything, in particular the ones that aren’t any of your business.

    I’m not sure, as that attempt at political discourse was just a little too vacuous for words.

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  72. Paul Marsden (999 comments) says:

    …Three good good reasons why euthanasia should be legal.

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  73. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    Paul M

    is that funny?

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  74. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    Yes I thinks it’s funny Paul but not if you live in Linwood as you will be mugged by a delinquent hoodie thug. This is ridiculous and the stupid radio stations promote this shit. The greens are pitiful freaks.

    God help New Zealand !!

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  75. kiwitoffee (383 comments) says:

    Mr Nandor Tankwotsit may well be meaningless. I don’t know. I can never understand a word he says.

    Why don’t all three of them get a job?

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  76. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    Talking of Euthanasia, P J O’Rourke had an idea to propose to all supporters of abortion – he suggested it should be applied retrospectively to anyone who reached a certain age and was completely feckless.

    I also vaguely remember a columnist talking about older folk going to Rock concerts dressed all hip and cavorting around to the beat thinking how cool they are, when all the young folk watching them are thinking, “what a sad old fuck…………”

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  77. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Nandor: “Well a few more days and I’m out of here. What will you guys do when you can’t use my ‘rasta-street-cred’ thing to woo the youth vote?”

    Sue; “It’s cool, Nandor. I already stopped ‘the man’ from beating on our kids and they will all recall the pay-rise, and the attempt to get the voting age down to sixteen. relax, dude it’s taken care of.”

    Metiria: “then we can get on with some proper electioneering and take our mesage to the poeple.”

    Nandor: “But won’t that cost a bomb? And besides, we don’t want to fall foul of the EFA by saying ‘Vote Green’, and spend all our pocket-money on leaflets and shit…”

    Sue: ‘Relax dudes, I got it. We dip into $35,000 grand of taxpayers cash, pull a self-seeking publicity stunt that no self-respecting adult over the age of 18 would be seen dead in, and voila! EFA circumvented, free publicity, ‘street-cred’ and youth vote, all wrapped up in one sticky-sweet package.”

    Now, do we wear the hoods during, or after we execute this blatant daylight robbery?

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  78. James Sleep (477 comments) says:

    Kia ora ra, people.

    Please view –

    http://newzblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/hoodie-day-david-farrars-excuse-to-update-his-wardrobe/

    and

    http://newzblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/30/ron-mark-hoodie-day/

    Excuse the link whoring

    James

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  79. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    Surely this is a sick joke, a double link whore attack !!

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  80. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    Dad4J – i see over on FrogBlog they are suggesting changing NZ’s name to Eco Aotearoa Zealandia! when they become green labour

    Perhaps you could suggest to them: New Aotearoa Zealand Islands?

    (or just Eco NAZI!)

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  81. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    Patrick; The greens must be obliterated from our political landscape and replaced with sensible blue greens who don’t have addiction problems.

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  82. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    I accelerated for hoodies today.

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  83. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Oh for fucks sake people let it go , we haven’t had a stupid day without some total stupidty since yesterday.

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  84. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    d4j – please get some professional psychological help. The more I see of your comments, the more I think you need it.

    From your posts, you seem to hate women, teenagers, Greens, and even those in the Labour Party whom I myself have little time for, but still don’t hate. We are all are “pitiful freaks” in your words – everyone who doesn’t conform with your perverse hateful ideology.

    I really think you need to stop hating, and learn to debate ideas, rather than label and abuse people.

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  85. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Toad

    Some good advice for d4j there, while we are on about debating the issues, can you tell me why so many Greens are desperate to ban the showing of the great global warming swindle?, if you (Greens) are so convinced that climate change is real then what have you got to lose?

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  86. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    “When freedom is suppressed hate takes its place”
    Greens made their bed etc…

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  87. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    bruv, can only speak for myself here, not other Greens. Personally, I feel it should be shown, but not in isolation. It should be followed with a documentary or forum that debunks the myths in it, as may happen.

    I think a broadcaster has a responsibility to provide balance. If they broadcast something that contains blatant untruths (as GGWS does), they should at least allow the immediate opportunity for those untruths to be exposed.

    BTW, I love it every time I see the students run the propaganda movie “Reefer Madness” – just confirms how silly the “War on Drugs” actually is, but the “War” goes on, 3 Presidents later.

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  88. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Toad

    Fair enough, would you be as keen to see the same panel (or a similar one) exposing the untruths in Al Gores fictional piece?

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  89. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    BTW Toad

    Even you would have to admit that 35K for a “hoddie” day is hardly the best way to spend public funds

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  90. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    bruv, no, I feel Labour and Nats have demonised youth -maybe that’s why so many young people will vote Green.

    But if Labour (as Government) want to spend that money to try to reverse that impression, I suspect it’s backfired on them. The Greens have got all the good youth-oriented publicity from the event (yes, you could say they hijacked the event) and Labour have got stuff all.

    The Nats deciding on a last-minute boycott didn’t do them any good with the youth vote either.

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  91. illuminatedtiger (51 comments) says:

    Go Greens!

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  92. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Nasty, buggerlugs!

    I could propose the Jim Morrison solution – “The old get older, the young get stronger, it may take a week or it may take longer!

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  93. Buggerlugs (1,592 comments) says:

    Nice toad…pick on one of my favourite bands…incidentally brought to my consciousness (or sub thereof) after a wicked weed session where I could not open my eyes and could only see cowboys riding on the clouds during Riders on the Storm (but no toads squirming)

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  94. Rich Prick (1,729 comments) says:

    Well, that’s National Hoodie Day over for another year … thought the family would never leave. Hope every one is feeling included, empowered and de-stigmatised as we tag third party property and otherwise do crime. Best $35k ever spent on a photo-op for a bunch of tree-hugging commies ever.

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  95. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,754 comments) says:

    The Green party needs a smack.

    My guess is that come November that is exactly what they will get.

    Nice to see Russell Brown so concerned with the youth. No doubt the salary he receives from the state owned enterprise of TVNZ will be able to be better applied to youth issues come November when he gets let go (Services no longer required). I wonder if there will be a golden handshake involved when that occurs. Actions and consequences, you’ve got to love them.

    If the Government was serious about youth issues then maybe it should give attention to youth suicide instead of pretending it doesn’t exist in New Zealand. In case anyone hasn’t noticed, some young New Zealanders are literally dieing to get out of New Zealand.

    Then again, Blam Blam Blam could have been right. “There is no depression in New Zealand”.

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  96. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    John Armstrong today in the Herald makes some relevant points about the Green Labour alliance, and also outlines The Greens’ dismay at how their alliance has spanned out.

    He suggests that the Greens can hold the balance of power, but not with National – because, despite key’s assertion that he takes global warming seriously and that he would like to discuss the ETA properly, he is still National.

    Meanshile the out-going Tanczoz suggests the Greens should have gone with the Maori Party. (Too little too late Nandor.) Because they are philosphically similar. I disagree. I think they (The Maori party) share a little conservatism which is more akin to National’s stance, but perhaps I am blinkered.

    In the North of England there is a proverb: ‘only fool never changes his mind.’

    Would it be electoral suicide for the Greens to hitch thier wagon to Labour pre-election? They can’t afford not to, so their only option it seems is to bluster, and threaten to throw their toys out of the pram. So, pre-election, it appears we will once more see a lot of posturing and harsh talk about what a radical alternative the Green party is and how they need the left vote. Then post election, if Labour get in with their support, we can expect to see an ongoing ‘Green’ agenda in New Zealand politics which is a travesty of the very term.

    Again.

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  97. dad4justice (8,313 comments) says:

    Toad and Big Blouse – maybe the green MP that celebrated his privileged parasitic position by smoking a joint in the so called highest court in land can receive some “professional psychological help”. Maybe shock therapy ? Obviously he is a drug addict. I hate psycho nut bars who woffle meaningless shit. Real men don’t wear hoodies but cowards do !!

    Where have all the REAL MEN GONE ?

    http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/where-have-all-the-real-men-gone-20080530-2jvs.html

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  98. jafapete (757 comments) says:

    Auckland

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  99. Paul (1,315 comments) says:

    “I hate psycho nut bars who woffle meaningless shit”

    Don’t be so hard on yourself Dad.

    “Real men don’t wear hoodies but cowards do”

    What the F is with your gender insecurities. Only people with serious problems make such sweeping statements as “Real men…”

    I’d like to see you tell John Schwaelger, Tamati Ellison and Frank Bunce (all supporters of this) that they aren’t real men. Go on you whimp. What a tosser sitting behind the keyboard shouting such stupidity at the world.

    Actually why is this any of your business. Why does Mark and Peachey need to poke their bloody noses into this. By making their stereotypical assumptions, they are perpetuating myths and lies. This is a youth issue, a good initiative aimed at breaking down the barriers between youth and the misinformed adults. So a kid walking in a mall with a hoodie is a potential criminal, yet in the same mall a YUPPIE with a $500 Hugo Boss hoodie on isn’t.

    Peachey and Mark displayed narrow minded misinformed stereotypes and it seems by the comments here that this is perpetuated in the hating right. A positive initiative by youth for youth is a good thing, and not the business of middle aged middle classed haters.

    That bastion of youth culture the Timaru Herald ran a great editorial on the issue.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaruherald/4563592a6573.html

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