Radio NZ on Internet Campaigning
Radio NZ has a four minute item on Internet campaigning, You Tube etc. They talked to myself, “Steve Pierson” from The Standard (who used his real name for the interview which is commendable), Darren Hughes, and Jo de Joux. Won’t have any revelations for those already online but will have been interesting to the wider listeners I hope.
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Tags: Darren Hughes, DPF, e-campaigning, Jo de Joux, Radio NZ, The Standard, You Tube
May 16th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Seeing that the Standard has huge numbers of hits every day, I wonder how its ardent supporters who blog on Kiwiblog, find the time to do so?
[DPF: Be aware the the number of hits you receive is a meaningless number. More useful numbers are page views, visits and unique visitors]
May 16th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
I wonder when Irish Bill well fess up with his real name. Perhaps it’s all too confusing for him.
May 16th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
tens of thousands of hits a day! it’s a wonder the interweb has not collapsed under the strain.
May 16th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
People on The Standard have stated on numerous occasions that they don’t give out their real names because they have families and don’t want to be the target of politically motivated attacks for expressing their opinions. This is no joke and I know of at least one person of the leftist persuasion who is receiving email threats including threats of violence on a daily basis.
I would love to see a right winger try to justify this.
[DPF: The irony considering the scores of politically motivated attacks on me from anonymous people]
May 16th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Hang on. Is this the same Clinton Smith/Steve Pierson who stood up at the Wellington anti-EFB march, and said he wasn’t a Labour Party supporter, but then proceeded to defend the EFB?
May 16th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
And those of right persuasion never get any politically motivated attacks?
Dream on bright tiger.
Are right leaning people not allowed to have opinions?
Oh but of course, right leaning opinions are just bait for the Sub Standard.
May 16th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
ah the old “i know of at least one person” line of shlte. A close relation to the “any right minded person knows” or “by disagreeing with x you must bbq small children for breakfast”.
May 16th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
back on topic – will internet campaigning on u-tube and Facebook have any impact on this eoection round in NZ? Will anyone use some clever viral billboard marketing techniques to get their message to the fickle 18-30 voters? I’d say labour have no street cred so any attempt to do so will be met with derision, ditto national but to their advantage they are NOT Hulun and Mikhael. What about mom and pop working class? Fertile huntings grounds online? mmmm TV fodder more likely. Ma and Pa middle class – definite target market for email/web virals I’d say. Old people – mmm, TV fodder. What thoughts do the KB punters have?
May 16th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
oh yes, didn’t the substandard resident limpo do his best to avoid the subject and market his shitty site instead? slogan: “visit the standard, get banned”
May 16th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
“Is this the same Clinton Smith/Steve Pierson who stood up at the Wellington anti-EFB march, and said he wasn’t a Labour Party supporter,”
The one mentioned in this Stuff report?? Who knows?
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Wearing National Party leader John Key masks and shouting “two, four, six, eight, we support the Exclusive Brethren” the group tried to drown out the rest of the crowd and hijack the protest. The bill is a response to the Exclusive Brethren’s well-funded campaign in 2005 against Labour and the Greens. While the group was thought to be made up of members of Young Labour, this was disputed by one man who crossed the barrier to address the crowd. Protester Clinton Smith said he had never voted Labour. “Democracy should be a contest of ideas, not a contest of who has the deepest wallet,” he said.
http://stuff.co.nz/4283245a11.html
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“a contest of ideas”.. pffft, what Stalinist crap. The whole idea of socialism is to stifle the expression of alternative political ideas. It is a totalitarian concept. As for never voting Labour, it may be accurate, but of course the implication of such a statement is that the view being presented is politically objective. Yeah right.
Gawd these are contemptible people. Truth is always just a device to be twisted to their political advantage.
May 16th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
“visit the standard, get banned”
No no, you’ve got it all completely wrong.. it’s a “contest of ideas”
May 16th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Anonymous bloggers – perfectly acceptable because sadly NZ political discourse means people want to have their privacy respected.
Anonymous financial contributions – completely unacceptable because in the interest of NZ political discourse people need to be up front and visible about who they support.
What double standards from the standard.
May 16th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
“a contest of ideas” with a ref whose been bought off by the Indian bookies….
May 16th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Yes, I did listen in to the item on the way home from work this evening. Very interesting.
I didn’t realize the blogsphere was getting so important in the NZ political scene these days. Nor did I realize youtube was becoming so feared by politicians yet at the same time they now can’t afford not to get involved with it.
May 16th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Yes, the youtube references by the commie pinko substandard mouthpiece were interesting. at least we’ll be able to spot all the Labour plants at public meetings…they’ll be the ones with the handycam which has ‘Ministerial Services’ written on the side.
May 16th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Yes, true Buggerlugs- so there is only on thing to do- get your digital cam or phone ready to record every word and action by Lab pols. Fight fire with fire. If they really want that sort of election, which based on the JK South Auckland market youtube video they do, then they will get what they desire.
May 16th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Or perhaps a soundbite of Cullen saying “fuck the poor”…but we’d never hear Focus on Politics play that, would we?
May 17th, 2008 at 12:14 am
What pissed me off about the Radio NZ item was them describing Kiwiblog as Right wing and Standard as Centre-Left. Hello?
May 17th, 2008 at 12:21 am
You are surprised about political bias on LabourFM?
*draws Ben aside for a wee man to man about the commies and gummint departments*
May 17th, 2008 at 2:15 am
“They talked to myself”
Myself is a reflexive pronoun and should not be used as a personal object pronoun
As a reflexive pronoun it would be correct to say “I talked to myself” however when you are the object of the sentence you should write “They talked to me”
If you think that “they talked to myself” sounds more sophisticated you are very very wrong.
May 17th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Word nerd.
May 17th, 2008 at 3:56 am
Why? That kind of conduct is totally unacceptable from anyone. But at least if I’ve got something nasty to say, I’ve got the balls to put my real name to it. Can’t say the same about various folks who have been quite happy to throw homophobic, racist and (on occasion) grossly defamatory slurs in my direction. Also once received a perfectly charming e-mail (anonymous and impossible to track back to its author, naturally) expressing the fond wish that my partner would be raped, infected with HIV and proceed to die a slow horrible death.
May 17th, 2008 at 6:17 am
The left are the best at chucking out the most vile and shocking remarks only to then cry innocence and get the public on side. That is one thing the left have going for them. I am not afraid to use my name but I too have had death threats and abuse sent to me since I was at Uni.
Illuminatedtiger has just shown he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.
Not that I’m moaning about the abuse mind you, it galvanises my opinion of the hard left.
May 17th, 2008 at 6:40 am
The hard left here are a bunch of handout sucking champagne socialists. I can guarantee 90% of them have got no work ethic BECAUSE they don’t have to – Hulun will provide. And if I made the comment that I had worked since I was 12, after school and through university and copped a huge student loan and paid it off under my own steam they’d have no idea because they like ‘median’ achievement. NZ used to be a pioneer country with pioneer grit, now its a socialist dream; no work, no pressure, no hope – unless we change course quickly.
May 17th, 2008 at 7:44 am
How is Labour going to campaign when the Fairfax-Neilsen poll has them 27 POINTS behind National. Read all about it in today’s Dom-Post!!!
May 17th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Its great news! The laybore hacks are attempting a rear guard action in the dompost “NZ has never had it so good” according to infometrics….
May 17th, 2008 at 8:02 am
Craig is spot on, while some from the right may get a little worked up the worst examples of abuse and naked hatred always come from the left.
Like Craig I have also received threatening and distasteful e-mails, while the threats are nothing more than water off a ducks back as far as I am concerned it is interesting that not one of these spineless individuals has been willing to take up my offer of a face to face meeting.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Is “Irish Bill” still refusing to admit that his real identity?, I would have thought that admitting his guilt and “moving on” might be a good idea for the President of the Labour party.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Did I read right? Hulun is out of the country for the worst polls labour has seen for umpteen years? ha ha ha ah ha
May 17th, 2008 at 8:25 am
The Standard is a classic example of all that is wrong with Labour, like the corrupt Labour party they will not allow anybody to post points or arguments that do not agree or praise dear leader.
The Standard still believes it is possible for Labour to win the election by feeding the voting public with propaganda and blatant lies, in many ways the site is an example of the EFA in action, anything that praises the govt is allowed and anything that attacks the govt is silenced.
Mind you, when a site such as the Standard is funded and staffed by the Labour party this should not come as a surprise.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:26 am
See:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4551392a10.html
“Nats head for a landslide”
Whooooooooopeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know I risk 10 demerit points for being off topic, but it is worth it!
However the key thing is that Nat activists, members, supporters and others who want to get rid of the present hopeless crowd must continue beavering away and not sit on backsides. Even with a nominal victory, it is vital that Winston cannot hold NZ to ransom as he did in 1996.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:35 am
peterwn – I somehow don’t think DPF will mind. It is indeed a spanking for Labour, and especially so for Clark – she’s now 18 points behind Key as Preferred PM.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Peter
While nobody wants to see the end of Clark more than I this poll is a bloody bad result, what the public are actually saying is that they want Labour lite, I wonder how the polls would look if Key had the balls to be leading the National party and not some soft cock center left party.
We have become a nation of bludgers and a nation who has no personal responsibility, the only saving grace is that perhaps (and it is a BIG perhaps) once Key does take control he will start slowly moving back to the policies of a real National party.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:45 am
big bruv – maybe I’m being naive, but I think that National has some defining policy up its sleeve. Right now, what I would like to see Key promise is a Royal Commission, with far-reaching powers into the politicisation of and corruption in the state service.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Ask any kiwi what’s the first word that comes to mind when you think of a politician? Bingo, it’s the word corruption again, again and again!!!
May 17th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Redbaiter says:
” “a contest of ideas”.. pffft, what Stalinist crap. The whole idea of socialism is to stifle the expression of alternative political ideas. It is a totalitarian concept. As for never voting Labour, it may be accurate, but of course the implication of such a statement is that the view being presented is politically objective. Yeah right.
Gawd these are contemptible people. Truth is always just a device to be twisted to their political advantage.”
LMAO how the hell do you associate “a contest of ideas” with Stalin? Are you honestly sitting there and trying to tell me a system where people participate in democratic environment contesting idea’s as to how the country is run is the same as a society where the State tells everyone how it is going to be run? I am trying to make sense of your extremely illogical view. I completely support the idea that it should be about a contest of idea’s. Although this seems to run with your idea that one should swear allegience to a singly party and blindly support everything they do right?
Personally there are policies in all parties which I like and some which I dislike. To me it all comes down to which ones I place a higher priority on. Oh but wait daring to judge by the ideas themselves equates to being in support of totaltarian.
May 17th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Oh and @dad4justice
Whilst it is not one word, the first thing which comes to mind when I think of politician is more a definition of politics. The recognization that resources are limited whereas wants are unlimited and how these resources are allocted. A very simple and basic definition of politics which should be clear to anyone. Although with the traditional kiwi I would contribute it at least partially to them being uneducated (in terms of politics) and apathetic.
May 17th, 2008 at 11:59 am
“LMAO how the hell do you associate “a contest of ideas” with Stalin? ”
Just keep laffing loser. If that’s the only understanding you can draw from my post, then your comprehension skills are so crippled you’re far beyond logic and reason.
May 17th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
“Although with the traditional kiwi I would contribute it at least partially to them being uneducated (in terms of politics)”
Oh yeah, those poor politically uneducated loser NZers, all sitting around with no idea and just waiting for enlightenment from the likes of you. Piss off you arrogant condescending soviet fool. I need to be “educated” by such as you like I need to hold a loaded pistol to my right temple and pull the trigger.
May 17th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
[DPF: Be aware the the number of hits you receive is a meaningless number. More useful numbers are page views, visits and unique visitors]
The page views aren’t that interesting. I’ve been intrigued when analyzing the logs of the number of people who stay in a post and press the refresh button. Number of hits is irrelevant, I’ve dramatically reduced ours by about 1/3rd playing around with ModWrite to increase the client side cache time.
Unique visitors has the problem with the number of web-crawlers and spam-trawlers talking to any reasonably popular site all of the time. I really don’t think there is a useful single measure or even a set of measures.
If there was a standard, then I suspect it would be easy to spoof it.
Lynn Prentice
BTW: We welcome people with diverse opinions. But first they have to be able to hold an opinion and argue it. big bruv got the boot off the standard because he never had anything of interest to say. All he did was say the same things over and over again. My comment was that I could write a program to repeat his lines. Eventually he overstepped a bound and didn’t get a second chance. Looks like Redbaiter could be replaced with a machine as well.
May 17th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
“big bruv got the boot off the standard because he never had anything of interest to say”
Given that “interest” is an entirely subjective issue, then this rule could be applied by any would be anti-democratic Stalinist who was administering on the Standard site at any time. The left’s attacks on BB are in reality just cowardly attempts to limit criticism of socialism and are typical of the way socialists react to ideas that really challenge theirs.
As long as you want to talk about how much freedom you’re prepared to give up to them and their crazed ideas, they’re happy to talk. As soon as you confront them with the idea that you don’t want to concede any freedom, and you don’t need one iota of their “help”, and you just want them all to fuck off and leave you alone, they slam the door shut.
I wouldn’t subject my posts to the adjudication of power crazed anti freedom of expression communist bigots on their chicken shit propaganda sites ever again. Every time I ever have they have reacted the same way. Free speech?? What worthless soviet crap. Free as long as the left approves of it first.
Your pathetic bullshit about “interest” doesn’t wash commie, not for a millisecond. You lot will never allow freedom of expression. You haven’t throughout history and you’re not about to change that now. As BB, myself and so many others know only too well.
May 17th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Yes. I think I could definitely build a Redbaiter version of an Eliza type system.
It looks like the key words are
Stalinist
anti-democratic
attacks
socialists
freedom
communist
propaganda
fuck off
Spin them with sub-literate grammer engine. There is a pattern in the paragraphs that I’d have to duplicate.
Looks like a xmas project. I’ll need to scan kiwiblog for content. I think it is feasible to do it without resorting to anything particularly sophisticated like prolog. PHP with a MySQL word and phrase database should be sufficent to generate a Redbaiter version 2.0
May 17th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
how bout an elizastahn?
It looks like the key words are:
Capitalist
anti-democratic
attacks
reactionary
righton
global warming
propaganda
fuck off
May 17th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
“Yes. I think I could definitely build a Redbaiter version of an Eliza type system.”
So we (Kiwiblog readers) know you don’t like Redbaiter. Yawn. Anything further to say on the communist style censorship of views that challenge socialist doctrine on The Standard? Or are you totally fucked on that??
May 18th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Rb: It is easy to survive at the standard whatever your political persuasion. I see some people here that manage it without problems. But it is a different style. It can be summed up as “don’t indulge in boorish behaviour”.
That means you have to vary your lines and not repeat them ad-infinitum to everyones disgust. You have to respond to other commentors queries about what you have said, and not just flick it off with a insult disguised under a meaningless label. If you make a statement, then be prepared to justify it. Shouting people down with insults is the refuge of cretins.
Above all don’t attract my attention by your behavior, or if you do, then modify it rapidly.
The political arguments I don’t care about that much. Eventually that always winds up as agreeing to disagree with a lot of learning on many sides in the process. But I care about behavior a great deal, because constructive and informed comments are often the most interesting part of a blog. It is an area that the rubbish comments can drive out the interesting very easily.
I’ve been around the forums on the nets for about 25 years or more from email lists to bulletin boards to usenet to blogs. I recognize all behaviors that are likely to lead to later problems. While I prefer not to interfere, I will stomp on what I consider to be bad behavior, and I will do it very hard if people don’t listen to warnings. I will also do it preemptively if I feel it is required. That is to ensure that I don’t have to do too much work too often.
After all ultimately I’m responsible for what goes on in the site. I pay for it, manage it, and ultimately are responsible for the tenor of the debate on it. The only thing I don’t do is write posts or many comments apart from the technical matters on the site. I simply make sure that those things can be done by all the people who wish to do it.
Does that answer your question?
May 18th, 2008 at 1:55 am
“I recognize all behaviors that are likely to lead to later problems.” – omniscience being a standard trait I assume?
May 18th, 2008 at 2:45 am
“Rb: It is easy to survive at the standard whatever your political persuasion.”
I don’t think that is true at all. I think that there are marked differences between the way you treat your leftist comrades, tame centre right wingers, and real right wingers who regard socialism as totalitarianism, and therefore a blight on civilization and democracy. You have a blog you say is for political discussion, but you only allow that discussion to exist within a very narrow political spectrum. ..and it should not be a matter of “surviving”, a term that implies the threat of censorship is hanging like Damocles’s sword.
Nobody minds blog owners keeping order on their sites and saving themselves from potential law suites. It isn’t that with leftists tho. They just cannot tolerate any view that strongly challenges their own, and they cannot abide by any view that doesn’t agree with their self aggrandising delusional self image. They cannot accept real criticism, and they cannot accept that some people see socialism as a poisonous global force that brings social destruction wherever or whenever it becomes ascendant. You need to know that others see you as far removed from the white knights you imagine yourself to be.
Your explanation above is littered with examples of subjective judgments, oversights that show clearly that like most leftists, your crippled political perceptions prevent you from ever being objective. The most I’ll grant you is that you might sincerely believe you’re being fair. But for anyone who seeks to advance the totalitarian ideal of socialism, its actually impossible. I have to laff at the idiocy of the hard leftists who post on The Standard giving opinions on issues- this is the best site, that site is rubbish, that poster is an idiot, this poster is brilliant blah blah blah blah… All subjective politically partisan crap and therefore utterly worthless in terms of impact. When I read such infantile nonsense, all it does is confirm my suspicions that leftism is a mental disease. Nobody with a fully functioning brain would be bothered with such worthlessly partisan adjudications.
“Shouting people down with insults is the refuge of cretins.”
Nobody ‘shouts people down’. Your use of this term is a typically PC distortion of reality. There’s never any shouting. The communication is by writing and reading, and in both cases- ITS VOLUNTARY. Nobody is forced to read the messages of any other poster. Nobody is holding a gun at your head forcing you to read this post. If you’re reading it, you doing so only BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO. Anybody thinks Redbaiter’s writing on Kiwiblog or elsewhere is offensive then the solution is simple. (For anyone but A PC socialist apparently.) Don’t read it. I skip messages from posters I regard as bores and drooling idiots all the time. I might read a Roger Nome post once in a blue moon. Your argument that people are intimidated or ‘shouted down’ is completely unsustainable by logic.
Kiwiblog is by far the most popular blog on the net. One of the reasons for this is that Mr. Farrar unlike the bigots at the Standard and other leftist controlled sites, extends the same freedom to post to everybody. ..and if Kiwiblog was as bad as you and the rest of the communists at the Standard and Kiwiblogblog claim, (in another example of starkly partisan judgment) this popularity would not exist.
There’s another reason his site is so much more popular. Right wing (small powerless government, maximum personal freedom and responsibility), is the new wave. Its an idea that getting greater support every day as more and more people awaken to the fact that they’ve been lied to and conned and compromised and coerced into silence by the poison of leftism and political correctness. They know they’re being stolen from, they know their democracy is under threat, they know more of their freedom and their ability to choose is disappearing every day and most of all, they know that the left’s biggest weapon is propaganda. So don’t be upset when your bluff is called, or when your lies are challenged, or when your socialist poison is exposed for the destructive force it is. The time when you managed to fool all the people is long gone.
The challenge is only just starting. For the left, its going to get a lot worse. Marxism is going down in the new century, and leftist troglodytes like you and your comrades need to know it. The message is this- leave us alone. We’ve had it up to here with your big powerful government bullshit, we don’t buy your lies anymore, we don’t buy into your lowest common denominator social construct, and we’re not going to take your attempts to force socialism down our throats any more. ..and we’re going to say it, and we’re going to tell you that, whether you and your Stalinist comrades approve of it or not. Enjoy your pathetic little power trip on your pissant little commie blog while you can. Your days of political and social supremacy are fading fast.
May 18th, 2008 at 4:11 am
Rb: You asked about ‘censorship’ on the standard. I gave a straightforward description of the bounds of behavior. There are certainly have been more transgressions by the right leaner’s there. The left-leaner’s tend to take notice of the warnings and the bounds. For some reason they seem to like to continue commenting on the site more than boasting that they got booted.
I’m not particularly interested in the popularity of the blog – it isn’t relevant. I seldom even look at the stats. I’m interested in level of debate and discussion. That is because I have to at least scan, and preferably read a high proportion of all comments to achieve the task I laid out for myself.
Most of the rest of your rant is about things that don’t apply to me. There seems like an awful lot of blind supposition and assumptions.
For your information, I’m currently a programmer and have been for about 15 years. I write code for export, and have helped kick-start companies for that purpose. Previously I’ve worked in management which is where most of my family tend to have jobs. I have a number of degrees including an MBA. I’ve been in the top 5% earners and taxpayers for most of my working life.
I’ve supported Labour for a long time, mainly because the Nat’s have a lousy record of managing the economy and country for the long term.
I fail to see how that makes me a marxist or even a socialist. I just think you have some some kind of weird phobia about people supporting the left.
Anyway, I only came over here to have a look at the comments about Clint. It is time to put the code I’ve been playing with, and myself, to bed.
I must look at this re-edit code on here tomorrow. It is rather cool – some kind of ajax code by the look of the source.
May 18th, 2008 at 7:00 am
illumintatedtiger: People on The Standard have stated on numerous occasions that they don’t give out their real names because they have families and don’t want to be the target of politically motivated attacks for expressing their opinions.
And yet the majority of them support a law that requires anyone wishing to make a political comment to publish their full name and home address on it. It just goes to show – one law for you, one law for the rest of us.
[DPF: And many of them make politically motivated attacks on people who do not hide their identities yet express their opinions- total hypocrisy.]
May 18th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Kiwiblogblog was set up for one reason only and that was to attack and denigrate Kiwiblog and Mr. Farrar. As long as it exists, and especially under that name, it stands as unshakable testament to the arrogance, hypocrisy, deceit and cowardice of the left.
May 18th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Rb:
I don’t run kbb.
P:
There is a good reason for the anonymity – the one that Craig Ranapia alluded in the comments above. If anyone needs help tracking down the source of any e-mails of that type, then I’d be very happy to assist. I detest that particular use of the net.
Even under the EFA there is only a requirement for the financial agent’s name and address to be published. Mine has always been available along with my e-mail address. That is because the only expense we had in the early days was a domain name, and the net’s rules on publishing contact info for domains are very similar to the EFA’s.
DPF:
There has always been the option to complain to me. I’ve been reducing personal attacks in the comments since early this year. They make for mind-numbing reading. I’ve been known to go in and control the posts when I feel it is appropriate.
I just looked up the WP AJAX Edit Comments. Been reading the code. Very elegant. It is a pity that they haven’t fully upgraded it to use the WP 2.5 wp_register_script/wp_enqueue_script and localized the script load to comments pages. But I guess that they wanted to maintain backward compatibility to WP 2.1
May 18th, 2008 at 11:56 am
“Rb:I don’t run kbb.”
A cop out. You have since its conception given enthusiastic support, and the reality is that the Standard and Kiwiblogblog and most of the same group of partisan leftists who frequent those blogs all project the same mindset- ie that right wing political ideas are illegitimate, that those who advocate them are either insane or driven by greed and self interest, and are therefore fair targets for hate and denigration. There is no contest of ideas. There is only sneering and smug superiority and lies and propaganda and malice. By the bucketful.
If there was any real contest, the left would have faded a lot sooner, because there’s hardly one leftist argument that isn’t based on untruth, misrepresentation and distortion of reality. Their only objective is political power and the more of it the better and if the truth gets in the way of that objective, too damn bad. ..and if anyone comes along and wishes to present the truth, then too damn bad for them too. Which is why almost every leftist blog is fully censored. Much more so than Kiwiblog.
One only has to compare the growth of government over the least few decades and see how it aligns with the ascendancy of socialism to be aware of what the real objectives of the left are. Big all powerful government and a one party state. Its what they always want. Its what they have where ever they are socially ascendant. Its what they want for NZ. ..and you’re enthusiastically helping them with that objective Lprent, whether you know it or not.
(IMHO you know it well enough. Perhaps your denial is evidence that you’re one of the few leftists around who still understands shame.)
May 18th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Rb: I read kbb even less than I do here.
I don’t think I’ve mentioned Kbb in any of my comments anywhere. It’d be easy to check on the standard because I upgraded the search engine.
I can remember leaving only one or two comments on Kbb, whereas I’ve left 20 or 30 here.
To paraphrase: Have you no shame, sir? Do some research rather than just making crap up.
May 18th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
“To paraphrase: Have you no shame, sir?”
I’m not the one trying to personally distance myself from my friends and political allies because I’m feeling a bit of heat on the issue. The unavoidable reality is that you are a staple of the Standard, and the Standard is an ardent supporter of KBB, and expresses similar political sentiments to KBB.
When have the proprietors of the Standard ever posted anything critical of KBB? Why do the proprietors of the Standard allow posters from KBB to post hate directed at rightists on your site and yet penalise rightists severely for merely expressing understandable contempt for leftist ideas? I’ll tell you why. Because they agree with and support the words and actions of those leftist posters.
There is a gang of hate driven totalitarian leftists in the blogosphere whose ambition is to destroy Kiwiblog and denigrate Mr. Farrar and destroy his media credibility. The Standard has a choice as to whether to be part of this campaign or to distance themselves from it. From where I sit, I reckon the course of action the Standard has chosen is pretty clear.
BTW- hows that Redbaiter robot going??? A bit more script to write than you thought??