Rodney Hide interview

May 9th, 2008 at 10:41 am by David Farrar

Scoop has an in depth interview with Rodney Hide. This is what I like about online media – one can see a full transcript. Some interesting extracts:

Campbell : So you consider yourself a libertarian?

Hide : Yeah.

Campbell : But you don’t regard taxation, in principle, as theft ?

Hide : I don’t see that argument helps. Saying that something is theft. Because technically. it isn’t. I understand that taxation is a compulsory taking – but its not theft in the sense that…however you look at it, Parliament has made it legal. It doesn’t make it right.

Campbell : So it is wrong in principle, but OK in law?

Hide : Having excessive tax of course is wrong in principle. But I don’t think saying that taxation is theft is correct. Our definition in New Zealand of what is theft is : what is against the law. And amazingly, our Parliament makes…you know, tax legal. I don’t think its on the cards that we could live in a totally voluntary society, where there is no tax.

Don’t tell Lindsay Perigo that Rodney called himself a libertarian, but I think he gets it right when he says some tax is okay, but excessive taxation is wrong. Taxation is a privilege, not a right!

Campbell : I’ll re-phrase. Do you see human beings as being responsible for the global warming that the IPCC sees as occurring right now ?

Hide : OK, that’s a better question. Um… whether its anthropogenic. I think there is an influence. I think its arguable how much. And that’s not clear. We do not know the exact influence that humans have had on the world’s climate. It requires a theoretical understanding largely based on models. If we accept the IPCC – which isn’t a bad starting point, right? The political question is what then do we do? I think that has two components. The first is that we have to worry seriously about our trade, and our international standing because we could find ourselves very easily shut out of the world. Which would be horrific. So we’ve got to be, to use the phrase, ‘ global citizens’ on this one. I think Kyoto One was a mistake.

It is worth reading the full exchange. Like the religion it has become, Rodney was asked if he “believes” in global warming. He refused to play ball and kept pointing out the wrong questions were being asked until a sensible question was asked.

Campbell : Some people use private schools and healthcare. Would give them a tax break for doing so, and why?

Hide : Better than that, we would actually provide the full amount for everyone. So we think the state shouldn’t have a preference for state schools over private schools. So we think we should fund every child and that means essentially a scholarship for every child. So those who are already sending their child to an independent school would basically receive the money they are saving today, by sending their children there. Parents currently sending their children to a state school would have the option of sending their child to an independent school, without the financial burden that’s there at present.

Campbell : Isn’t that just education by another name?

Hide : Sure.

Nice to see an MP not try and do an Orwellian spin.

Campbell : Can you tell me exactly how educational vouchers would lift everyone’s boat, and raise educational outcomes nationwide?

Hide : Sure. This is the experience since 1992 in Sweden. Which is hardly a shining bastion of . Or freedom. But they adopted Act’s policy in 1992. To show you how effective its been, all the political parties in their Parliament now support it. The only party to oppose it are the former Communists. Why they found was…only a small percentage, and I forget the number of students, took advantage of the opportunity to shift schools, But as soon as schools were in danger of losing their roll, they actually lifted their game and they took parents seriously.

Where new schools most appeared were in the disadvantaged areas – most obviously amongst the new immigrant areas. Which is quite logical. Where people are sort of well off, well heeled and well incomed even within the state school system they get schools that are, you know, good. Where you find poor areas you find it harder to maintain even a decent state school, And where you have minority cultural groups that don’t necessarily reflect their requirements for education….and so, that’s what happened in Sweden.

This hits the nail on the road. When you get stronger incentives to perform, then performance lifts. Anyone who argues that incentives don’t influence behaviour, has little experience outside a textbook.

Campbell : Could you clarify for me – is Sir Roger intimating to you that he’d like to be in an electable position on the party list?

Hide : Yes.

Campbell : So one could expect him to be two or three – not nine or ten?

Hide :Well, I’m thinking and not because I disrespect Roger…but I’m thinking five or six. Because I want people…if they want Roger in Parliament, to vote for the party. And I also want Roger to come back into Parliament and have some influence. And that requires we get more MPs. But that will be a decision for Sir Roger, and for other members in the board, not for the leader to dictate the list.

I have long suspected he would be placed at around No 6, to encourage people to give ACT 5%. Whether they will, is quite another matter.

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80 Responses to “Rodney Hide interview”

  1. James W (271 comments) says:

    Good interview, thanks for the link David.

    Somehow, I don’t see many Nats being so open. But then, I guess the Nats aren’t polling at 2.4%! :)

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  2. GPT1 (2,122 comments) says:

    This has to be my favourite exchange:
    Campbell : Isn’t that just education vouchers by another name?

    Hide : Sure.

    Certain policies/words seem to be treated as an attack on the policy per se rather than actually debating the merits of a policy. Sadly, I expect that question would have a National MP on the defensive. Simply acknowledging it means that the interviewer, shock horror, has to address the policy on its merits.

    Good fun.

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  3. Paul W (266 comments) says:

    Good interview indeed, clear and unequivocal responses from Hide. I don’t agree with his approach, but I entirely commend his candor. On the placement of Douglas however, while I understand the thinking, do they really think retreading Douglas will treble their party vote (wasn’t it 1.5 per cent in 2005)? What does it say about the health of the party that they’ve so little talent they need to recruit Douglas?

    I think Hide’s a much more respectable and credible character now than he was 3 years ago and it’s good he’s retained his essential style but I still think the only way ACT have a chance is by looking to the future and presenting a new approach, not a return to Douglas’s incredibly divisive approach.

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  4. infused (656 comments) says:

    Since the EFB I think he’s had a change of heart on a lot of things. At first I thought it was pure polls, but it seems a bit more genuine than that. Maybe I’m falling for his plan ;P

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  5. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    i dont think the “douglas factor” will treble their vote.

    but it wont need to.. ACT! lost a tonne of votes because they were polling under 5 and the media convinced everyone rodney wouldnt win epsom. ya even had that idiot locke saying he would walk down the main street naked etc.

    question is, come election time, will people be brave enough to vote act!

    cause im not sure Dime is :(

    id love too! but god i don’t wanna have my vote not count!

    when does polling start in epsom?

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  6. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Like the religion it has become, Rodney was asked if he “believes” the world is round. He refused to play ball and kept pointing out the wrong questions were being asked until a sensible question was asked.

    Campbell : I’ll re-phrase. Do you see the world as round as most leading scientists say?

    Hide : OK, that’s a better question. Um… whether its round? I think there is an oval shape in some way. I think its arguable how much. And that’s not clear. We do not know the exact degree of roundness. It requires a theoretical understanding largely based on models.

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  7. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    i love when the left compare global warming to the world being round.

    like only a total idiot would not BELIEVE in global warming or climate change or whatever marketing term they are using this week.

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  8. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    “like only a total idiot would not BELIEVE in global warming”

    You said it mate!

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  9. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Campbell : Isn’t that just education vouchers by another name?”

    Campbell is just another socialist mainstream media plant- an advocate for extreme left positions who just brings the craft of journalism into further disrepute. Do many people watch this Soviet stye retard at all??

    “Somehow, I don’t see many Nats being so open.”

    Agree. They’re hopelessly intimidated by partisan interviewers like Campbell. I once hoped they would grow the balls to argue from a truly right wing perspective, but it seems further away than ever. There are a few good people in the party, but at the moment, it seems to be dominated by inarticulate politically crippled leftist appeasers.

    There should be an organisation formed and aimed at getting NINOs (National in Name Only) out of the National Party. It is the undermining of what National once stood for that is behind the current dominant status of leftist ideas in NZ. People who cannot stand up for what they believe in should be replaced by those who can. Compromisers and quitters and surrender monkeys should be told to fuck off and join Labour. NZ needs real choice, not just the sham alternatives of Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber.

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  10. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    lol, the interview was useless then Redbaiter?! jeez

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  11. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    sonic – you go to the michael moore editing school?

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  12. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “lol, the interview was useless then Redbaiter?! jeez”

    Leftists are just unable to see things from a right wing perspective. Therefore you’re only ever going to get half of the story. Right wingers (most of them were once left wingers who long ago awoke to what bullshit that ideology is and moved on) have much broader political perspectives and therefore make better journalists/ reporters. Look at the success of FOX news as opposed to the failure of Air America, MSNBC and other attempts to force left wing crap down the public’s throat.

    The interview would have been much improved without Campbell’s frozen in time communist mindset. Interviews of left wing politicians too would be much more effective and comprehensive if conducted by an objective or right wing interviewer. Leftists like Campbell are just narrow minded blinkered bores. Bill O’Reilly is streets ahead. Just look at the viewing figures.

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  13. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    “Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber”.

    Don’t you mean TweedleDumb and TweedleKey?

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  14. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    “Bill O’Reilly is streets ahead. Just look at the viewing figures.”

    How many viewers does Bill O’Liely get in NZ?

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  15. Alces (285 comments) says:

    Rodney must be reading Dunleavy….

    Poor Hulun…..posturing has its price.

    “New Zealand produces about 0.2 per cent of the world’s man-made production of CO2. Even if NZ totally eliminated CO2 emissions, the difference would be to reduce the annual rate of increase in the atmosphere by 0.2 per cent of 1.5ppm, equalling 0.003ppm which equals 3 parts per billion. This of course is a far lower amount than can even be detected.

    Are we seriously going to shatter our economy, restrict ourselves to a fragile electricity system, cost every family in the land $1000 to $1500 per year in electricity expenses alone, seriously damage our agriculture industry, etc. by trying to reduce New Zealand’s minuscule CO2 contribution?

    But it’s worse than that. The Government’s stated goal is to reduce our CO2 emissions by 20 per cent. So if we were to succeed in this, and thereby reduce New Zealand’s 3 parts per billion contribution to 20 per cent of this figure, the reduction in global CO2 arising from our action would amount to 0.6 parts per billion per year.”

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  16. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “How many viewers does Bill O’Liely get in NZ?”

    Oh gawd, he’s off with the stoopid questions agin.. now its going to be (whining child type voice) “Why haven’t you answered my question yet???” or “because you can’t, naah naah naah” all fucken afternoon.

    Becasue it’s fucken daft and irrelevant you moron. Only significant in one way, and that is that it is symbolic of your crippled and dysfunctional thinking patterns. If you took the silly little wing nutted commie nitwit Campbell, and put him on Prime Time TV in the states, up against O’Reilly, how many viewers do you think he’d get??? Nobody, not even the most dedicated leftist propagandist would gamble money on that tired little commie dropkick. Only amongst the wall to wall leftists that dominate NZ media would he get a guernsey.

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  17. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Alces IMHO NZers could stop doing and using everything that supposedly contributes to global warming and the effect on NZ and the world would be zilch.

    What we have is a bunch of loonies with a death wish determined to take away our freedoms and wreck our lives all in the name of a maybe or possible problem that they cant quantify or define.

    these people are true definition of command and control freaks. they tell us what we must and must not do and threaten dire punishments if we dont comply. Forget Godwins Bloody Law these people are the 21st Century Nazis and a look back at Germany in the early 1930s shows frighten paralells.

    Dont be like the frog on the pot Stand up to these bastards before its too late. Tell them loudly to FOXTROT OSCAR

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  18. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, what is wrong with that rabid leftie interviewing a right wing politician like Hide then?? I have the impression that O’reilly just likes yelling and name calling – haven’t seen many, but in an interview with the editor of Reason magazine a while ago…

    Have no idea how those very short interviews are any use, at least Campbell’s was able to get into depth WITHOUT interrupting Hide over and over!

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  19. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    NZIER said we’d only be as rich in 2025 as we would have been in 2024 if we hadn’t had an ETS – shattering. Maybe the Kyoto countries could all divide themselves into blocs of 4 millions people, and then none of them would have to take any responsiblity! yay!

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  20. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “at least Campbell’s was able to get into depth”

    Like this you mean??

    “Isn’t that just education vouchers by another name?”

    Yeah man, that’s deep- real deep…

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  21. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    i was gonna say not many communists in nz watch o’rielly cause they cant afford too..

    then i remembered that they can afford sky, because we are paying for their lifestyle.

    either way – what redbaiter said :)

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  22. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    redbaiter:

    “If you took the silly little wing nutted commie nitwit Campbell, and put him on Prime Time TV in the states, up against O’Reilly, how many viewers do you think he’d get???”

    Probably not too many, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

    And the more you watch the Rupert Murdoch-owned Fox News channel, in particular, the more likely it is that your perceptions about the war are wrong, adds the report by the University of Maryland’s Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA).

    Eighty percent of Fox viewers were found to hold at least one misperception, compared to 23 percent of NPR/PBS consumers. All the other media fell in between.

    A whopping 45 percent of fox viewers believed all three misperceptions, while the other commercial networks scored between 12 percent and 16 percent. Only nine percent of readers believed all three, while only four percent of the NPR/PBS audience did.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EJ04Ak01.html

    Now we wait for redbaiter to dismiss the study as being “communist propaganda” by “socialist academics” :-)

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  23. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    “Becasue it’s fucken daft and irrelevant you moron”

    I agree, so why did you bring it up?

    Oh I forgot daft and irrelevent is whats written on your passport under occupation.

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  24. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, I was talking about the *whole* interview. Necessary question too, I thought, sounded like Rodney was presenting his idea as something new before it was asked.

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  25. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    sonic, matron says you guys are both bringing the tone down somewhat and could you please stop

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  26. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    yea dont try this shit at the standard sonic! tane will ban you for life!

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  27. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Now we wait for redbaiter to dismiss the study as being “communist propaganda” by “socialist academics””

    Same old Nome psychotic pattern and same old narrow perspective – a couple of paragraphs of uninformed leftist bigotry followed by a URL referencing the work of some troglodytic fellow travellers of the left. You don’t even know of the reality that confronts that bogus study do you you lame brained narrow little fuckwit?

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  28. Owen McShane (1,226 comments) says:

    I don’t know why the Labour people are so hostile to vouchers.
    They invented them.
    Even they knew that after the war it would not be a good idea to have the MOW build all the houses needed at that time.
    So they invented the capitalised family benefit – a voucher worth the family benefit capitalised up to present value.
    You could this voucher along to any building company (school) and buy the house (school) of your choice.
    They houses had to be to a standard (curriculum) but within that the builders could provide variety to suit the customer.

    It worked well. They could do worse than allow families with children to capitalise their working for families grants.
    And then apply the housing voucher to schools.

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  29. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    “referencing the work of some troglodytic fellow travellers of the left.”

    and there we are :-)

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  30. Jim (398 comments) says:

    Sonic,

    The world is not round. Earth, on the other hand, is approximately spherical with a bulge around the equator. The earth is also flat – particularly on the Canterbury plains. I understand the earth is very flat at Bonneville too. Many years ago almost everyone thought the earth was flat because that was the model that best fit their observations.

    “Do you believe in Global Warming?” is a loaded question which presupposes that the world is divided into “believers” and “deniers”. You are smart enough to understand that, and you know that reality is not that simple. Rodney was right to avoid the question.

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  31. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    Barack Obama now supports education vouchers.

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  32. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Rodney handled himself well. He did not avoid the tough questions and answered clearly and honestly and showed that ACT is standing for it’s principles, not bending over for tax cuts ala Labour or lowering itself to the idiocy of the left like National. It’s more than we can say for a lot of our “confused” politicians.

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  33. BlairM (2,341 comments) says:

    There should be an organisation formed and aimed at getting NINOs (National in Name Only) out of the National Party.

    It’s called ACT. We’re starting with Paul Hutchinson in Hunua :oP

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  34. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Jim, Rodney is caught in a dillema. If he rubbishes the science of climate change he will be laughed at , if he agrees with it he might lose the support of the loonies who think the whole concept is a leftist plot to take their SUV’s.

    So he dodged it.

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  35. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Dime, if you guys threw abuse about on my blog the way you do here I’d ban you as well.

    If it’s your blog it’s your rules, so stop crying about it.

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  36. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “So he dodged it.”

    Haha, yeah sure.. if there’s one thing I’m enjoying its watching you socialist loons jump around on this issue like cats on hot tin, as the truth catches up with your alarmist bullshit. What’s the latest on sea level rises?

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  37. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    abuse?

    what about trolling? thread jacking? youd be happy with that?

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  38. Alces (285 comments) says:

    Now here’s a bit of social engineering Rodney may agree with.

    The Aust Labor govt is introducing a debit card system for mendicants.

    Approved purchases only….almost like an engineered tuck shop.

    Good to see Hulun will be supporting her Labor brothers in Aust…

    It does seem like an excellent way to eliminate grog, tobacco, poker machines and refined sugar from the dumbsters in need of direction from the State.

    Why stop at tuck shops?

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  39. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    sonic – what happened to the 1970 version of you? the one that was crying about global cooling?

    how can people be so arrogant??? the climate may be changing, but we ain’t doing it!

    the really sad thing about this global warming BS, is that its hurting the people the communists pretend to care about!

    food riots anyone??

    “sorry, we turned that food into fuel”

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  40. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Ratbleater, you still living under the delusion that anyone cares what you think.

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  41. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    I wasnt born in 1970 Dim, what are you gibbering about?

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  42. dime (9,980 comments) says:

    ill make it easier for you to understand then.

    in the early 70’s, the loony left came up with “global cooling”. Time magazine had it on their cover etc. they tried to make it a big deal.

    an idiot like yourself would’ve eaten it up.

    oh, i care what redbaiter thinks. he makes some good points.

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  43. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    or “Most predictions of an impending ice age came from the popular press (eg – Newsweek, NY Times, National Geographic, Time Magazine). As far as peer reviewed scientific papers in the 1970’s, very few papers (7 in total) predicted global cooling. What surprises is that even in the 1970’s, on the back of 3 decades of global cooling, more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming due to CO2.”

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s.htm

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  44. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Ratbleater, you still living under the delusion that anyone cares what you think.”

    Oh yeah of course Sonny, you don’t care-

    Maybe if you and the rest of the rabid left weren’t always trying so desperately and so constantly to discredit me I’d believe it.

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  45. radar (319 comments) says:

    I could feel my IQ dropping while I was reading this thread! Talk about lowering the tone. Redbaiter adds nothing and sonic is not much better. Jabbering at each other like children.

    I thought it was a good interview. It is a shame that there are not more like it done on a regular basis in the media. It’s good to know what MPs think outside of the five second soundbite on the television news.

    It’s a shame Rodney wasn’t asked about ACT’s law and order policy and beliefs, expecially in regard to gangs.

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  46. Dressed To The Left (48 comments) says:

    Meh, nice and polite and all that but I still prefer the old-school, RATM Rodders.

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  47. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    radar, I agree with you. Scoop IS the media, but not mainstream I suppose. Technically he did ask him about gangs, but would have been good to know if he wanted longer sentences for those with gang affiliations for example. It was only partially a ‘whats your policy interview though was it – Shouldn’t be too hard to find out policy specifics later.

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  48. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Shame radar, your sanctimonious posing may have come off a bit better if you hadn’t indulged in the same kind of “jabbering” yourself. Your comment could easily have been written without the first paragraph, but like most of the clueless left, you just couldn’t help yourself. I guess the low and falling lower IQ don’t help much either. Keep reading Redbaiter, you might be able to coax it up again. Although at 70, you’ve got a long way to go to get to square one.

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  49. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    “Maybe if you and the rest of the rabid left weren’t always trying so desperately and so constantly to discredit me ”

    FYI Ratbleater, we are not laughing with you.

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  50. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “FYI Ratbleater, we are not laughing with you.”

    FYI Sonic, I couldn’t give a fuck..

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  51. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    I’m sure anyone who watches you froth at the mouth every time I comment would be sure to agree Bleater.

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  52. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    *sigh*

    Great, yet another thread about the self-indulgent, attention-seeking, rabid ego-maniac redbaiter.

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  53. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    the loony left came up with “global cooling”. Time magazine had it on their cover etc

    Time magazine was part of the loony Left? I always thought they were of the loony Right.

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  54. tom hunter (4,897 comments) says:

    I wasnt born in 1970

    Dime

    He was born yesterday. Like a Phoenix, freshly hatched from the ashes of the previous socialist disaster but with his mouth open and eager for morsels of the next ‘new’ socialism, the one that will be different to all previous models -the one that, this time, will work.

    I’d be less worried for him if it was not for the fact that his first question was: is there a plan and is it fair?

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  55. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    take’s two to tango roger

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  56. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I always thought they were of the loony Right.”

    You’re hopeless LLew. Are you seriously telling me you’re so far out of it you think Time is right wing? For fuck’s sake. Come out of the cave into the light. Time has been a prime source of the worst kind of left liberal propaganda for decades. Jezuz- read Newsbusters or something- you’re so out of it you must live in Paerangaroa.

    http://newsbusters.org/search/google?cx=000670030471699741183%3Aydh8bjxaqui&cof=FORID%3A11&query=time+magazine&op=Search&form_id=google_cse_results_searchbox_form#1038

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  57. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Great, yet another thread about the self-indulgent, attention-seeking, rabid ego-maniac redbaiter.”

    There you go Sonny, even your comrade is sick of your rubbish…

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  58. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    Cripes, I’m so out of it I don’t even know where Paerangaroa is!

    But OK – I stand corrected perhaps, I haven’t looked in a Time magazine since the 70s.

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  59. radar (319 comments) says:

    “Your comment could easily have been written without the first paragraph…”

    Same thing goes for about 95% of what you write, Mr Baiter.

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  60. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Same thing goes for about 95% of what you write, Mr Baiter.”

    ..and another line that (even if it made sense), someone who was truly concerned about “jabbering” would never have written. Y’know radar, you leftists are just so easy to expose as hypocrites it takes all the fun out of it. Gimmee a challenge some time will ya?

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  61. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    In 1969, environmentalist Nigel Calder warned, “The threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.”

    C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said, “The cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed.”

    In 1968, Professor Paul Ehrlich, Vice President Gore’s hero and mentor, predicted there would be a major food shortage in the U.S. and “in the 1970s … hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death.” Ehrlich forecasted that 65 million Americans would die of starvation between 1980 and 1989, and by 1999 the U.S. population would have declined to 22.6 million.

    Ehrlich’s predictions about England were gloomier: “If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000.”

    In 1972, a report was written for the Club of Rome warning the world would run out of gold by 1981, mercury and silver by 1985, tin by 1987 and petroleum, copper, lead and natural gas by 1992.

    Gordon Taylor, in his 1970 book “The Doomsday Book,” said Americans were using 50 percent of the world’s resources and “by 2000 they [Americans] will, if permitted, be using all of them.”

    In 1975, the Environmental Fund took out full-page ads warning, “The World as we know it will likely be ruined by the year 2000.”

    Harvard University biologist George Wald in 1970 warned, “… civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” That was the same year that Sen. Gaylord Nelson warned, in Look Magazine, that by 1995 “… somewhere between 75 and 85 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.”

    In 1885, the U.S. Geological Survey announced there was “little or no chance” of oil being discovered in California, and a few years later they said the same about Kansas and Texas.

    In 1939, the U.S. Department of the Interior said American oil supplies would last only another 13 years.

    In 1949, the Secretary of the Interior said the end of U.S. oil supplies was in sight.

    Having learned nothing from its earlier erroneous claims, in 1974 the U.S. Geological Survey advised us that the U.S. had only a 10-year supply of natural gas. The fact of the matter, according to the American Gas Association, there’s a 1,000 to 2,500 year supply.

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2008/05/07/environmentalists_wild_predictions

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  62. Pascal (1,969 comments) says:

    Roger Nome: Great, yet another thread about the self-indulgent, attention-seeking, rabid ego-maniac redbaiter.

    Better that than yet another thread about the self-indulgent, attention-seeking, rabid ego-maniac Roger Nome.

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  63. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    Fuck I’m over the hysterical idiocy of leftwing liberal journalists. If you don’t support their view, you’re portrayed as being secretly off murdering babies or some other similar crime. Can they ask a question that isn’t loaded with an answer they want to hear?

    How’s about they shut the fuck up, stuff their opinion of the world where there’s obviously plenty of room and actually find out what the person interviewed thinks. God they’re a fucking disgrace!

    Grow some balls and vote ACT.

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  64. emmess (1,428 comments) says:

    “I always thought they were of the loony Right.”

    This is typical the sort of idiotic thought patterns of the left have

    It’s American and it’s part of “corporate” media, therefore it must be right wing
    Never mind that Ted Turner has called Bush worse than Hitler

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  65. tom hunter (4,897 comments) says:

    Actually my favourite comes from one of the mentors of Bill Clinton:

    “Bell bottoms have to be worn to be understood….They give the ankles a special freedom as if to invite dancing on the street.”

    – Charles Reich, The Greening of America

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  66. Billy (121 comments) says:

    Humans do seem to have this desire believe that the world is always about to end. I remember, as a kid, reading the front page of the Herald telling me that we were entering an ice age and that, as a result, the world would end. And don’t get me started on that Y2K lunacy.

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  67. vto (1,131 comments) says:

    I’m with you Billy, there is always some impending doom.

    Reality is … history tells us that we have been here some hundreds of thousands of years or more so if you were a betting man you would have to bet that we will be here tomorrow and in a hundred years. That is simply the odds. Anyone want to place a bet?

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  68. radar (319 comments) says:

    “Gimmee a challenge some time will ya?”

    Hmm, let me think… I know, write a sentence that does not incorporate the work “leftists”, “socialists”, or “communists”. See if you can do that. You have such a victim complex that you cannot recognise your own B.S. Do yourself a favour, stop blaming everything on leftists and recognise that you are unsuccessful because you are a bit dim.

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  69. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    Gee radar.. all that concern you expressed about jabbering must have been completely false. Don’t you commies ever feel any shame???

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  70. radar (319 comments) says:

    Yes, I have fallen into the Redbaiter trap of carrying on like a child! I’m so angry at myself. By the way, you failed that challenge as I knew you would – you used the word commie. Why are you so quick to label me a leftist anyway? I hope it’s not because I think you are a knob. That is not exclusive to leftists. You infest this blog like a parasite.

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  71. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    He might’ve seen a hammer and sickle in the clouds this morning…

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  72. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I’m so angry at myself.”

    Well, I guess its all that jabbering.

    Don’t be angry. Be strong. Sing ‘The Internationale’ to yourself when you get down.

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  73. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    “Why are you so quick to label me a leftist anyway?”
    “I could feel my IQ dropping while I was reading this thread!”

    just a guess I suppose ?

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  74. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I have long suspected he would be placed at around No 6, to encourage people to give ACT 5%. Whether they will, is quite another matter.”

    Maybe we could cease the “jabbering” and get back on topic here. Y’know, I doubt ACT is going to go that well. Normally, I’d say they’d take a few votes of National after that party’s lurch to the left, but I think there’s just too many people with intelligence and intitiative who have left the country.

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  75. Alces (285 comments) says:

    Is the radar kiddie going to be a fixture here?

    roggy needs playmates at recess…..

    He won’t get angwee I pwomise.

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  76. capills_enema (194 comments) says:

    “you used the word commie. Why are you so quick to label me a leftist anyway? I hope it’s not because I think you are a knob. That is not exclusive to leftists.”

    Welcome to kiwiblog, radar!

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  77. first time caller (384 comments) says:

    You rabid lefties have yet again gone off on some self indulgent tangent.

    Maybe you should go and fine yourselves another blog to play with…

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  78. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    Top stuff from Rodney Hide.

    It’ll ge great to see Roger Douglas back in Parliament.

    Ironic that Roger will be coming into parliament just as Hels and Mickey will be leaving it. 2009 is going to be a good year.

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  79. Julian D (2 comments) says:

    David,
    Rodney is not a libertarian as can by his response “Excessive tax is wrong in principle” and his repair to an argument that because there is a law permitting tax so it is not theft – clearly illustrates this.

    Theft is the taking of private property without the consent of the owner. Whether or not the taking has been made legal by the government is irrelevant. I would not expect to see anyone arguing that killing someone (outside of self defence) should not be defined as “murder” if the government had legalised such behaviour. They why the difference? Why do you consider that it is OK (and moral) to hold a gun to someone’s head and take their property?

    Julian

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