Comments on: Shortland Street via Internet http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html DPF's Kiwiblog - Fomenting Happy Mischief since 2003 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:42:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: iiq374 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-445116 iiq374 Sun, 11 May 2008 04:44:05 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-445116 RRM: Of course under a Labour Government led by Our Heroin [sic] Mrs [sic] Helen Clark you would get a tax hike, a few SOE's would expand (buying an ISP in the process), private property rights would be subsumed by law making, and straight away the state has managed to sort out the problem. Just like how LLU has made Fibre to the home and mobile internet cheaper and faster. Oh no, wait, I forgot... RRM: Of course under a Labour Government led by Our Heroin [sic] Mrs [sic] Helen Clark you would get a tax hike, a few SOE’s would expand (buying an ISP in the process), private property rights would be subsumed by law making, and straight away the state has managed to sort out the problem. Just like how LLU has made Fibre to the home and mobile internet cheaper and faster.

Oh no, wait, I forgot…

]]> By: aj http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444649 aj Fri, 09 May 2008 00:22:23 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444649 The reason nobody guessed it "right" is because the answer is wrong. No way in hell does it cost $120bn to deliver Shortland St over the Internet. I build big FTTH, FTTN, and xDSL networks that deliver (amongst other things), TV - it's my job to know how to do this. Our biggest network to date, with more than 20 million TV subscribers, cost 1/10th of that. And delivers more than one show. I'm assuming TVNZ wasn't talking about building dedicated infrastructure to every house (which we already know costs circa $5bn for NZ), so what WERE they talking about? Is the presentation public? The reason nobody guessed it “right” is because the answer is wrong.

No way in hell does it cost $120bn to deliver Shortland St over the Internet. I build big FTTH, FTTN, and xDSL networks that deliver (amongst other things), TV – it’s my job to know how to do this. Our biggest network to date, with more than 20 million TV subscribers, cost 1/10th of that. And delivers more than one show.

I’m assuming TVNZ wasn’t talking about building dedicated infrastructure to every house (which we already know costs circa $5bn for NZ), so what WERE they talking about? Is the presentation public?

]]> By: PaulL http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444493 PaulL Thu, 08 May 2008 10:31:29 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444493 RRM: privatising Telecom did make phones cheaper and the internet faster. Doing it badly made the internet less cheap than it could have been. Don't mistake a sub-optimal privitisation for all privitisation being bad, and don't mistake sub-optimal for being worse than public ownership. Do you even recall how things used to be under the post office? RRM: privatising Telecom did make phones cheaper and the internet faster. Doing it badly made the internet less cheap than it could have been. Don’t mistake a sub-optimal privitisation for all privitisation being bad, and don’t mistake sub-optimal for being worse than public ownership. Do you even recall how things used to be under the post office?

]]> By: RRM http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444486 RRM Thu, 08 May 2008 09:25:12 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444486 Under a National Government led by Our Hero Mr John Key you would get a tax cut, a few SOEs would be sold, and straight away the market would sort out the problem. Just like how privatizing Telecom made phones cheaper and the internet faster. Oh no, wait, I forgot... Under a National Government led by Our Hero Mr John Key you would get a tax cut, a few SOEs would be sold, and straight away the market would sort out the problem. Just like how privatizing Telecom made phones cheaper and the internet faster.

Oh no, wait, I forgot…

]]> By: rupert http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444465 rupert Thu, 08 May 2008 08:49:13 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444465 ok.... I was out by a factor of 100, so my calculation of $11,392,000,000 is actually $113,920,000, still a frak load of money ok…. I was out by a factor of 100, so my calculation of $11,392,000,000 is actually $113,920,000, still a frak load of money

]]> By: Dismal Soyanz http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444412 Dismal Soyanz Thu, 08 May 2008 06:19:09 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444412 You sure he said NZ$ and not the Zim$? You sure he said NZ$ and not the Zim$?

]]> By: mawgxxxxiv http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444386 mawgxxxxiv Thu, 08 May 2008 04:58:38 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444386 http://www.influxis.com/flash_video_streaming_enterprise2.aspx Using the most expensive published Influxis FMS plan as a base it would cost around $1million NZ dollars a month. http://www.influxis.com/flash_video_streaming_enterprise2.aspx

Using the most expensive published Influxis FMS plan as a base it would cost around $1million NZ dollars a month.

]]> By: DanielM http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444372 DanielM Thu, 08 May 2008 04:31:27 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444372 Interesting. Funny how people seem to be trying to poke holes. If there was no broadcast or other means but distribution via internet throughout a day, then delivering the content to 500,000 people every night would be $120 billion? Thing is, the figure could be calculated as "per night" or for an entire series (year), which isn't really clear from what you've said David (or what TVNZ said). If it was the cost of delivering 500,000 views per night per year, then that sounds a bit more realistic. A bit. Interesting. Funny how people seem to be trying to poke holes.

If there was no broadcast or other means but distribution via internet throughout a day, then delivering the content to 500,000 people every night would be $120 billion? Thing is, the figure could be calculated as “per night” or for an entire series (year), which isn’t really clear from what you’ve said David (or what TVNZ said). If it was the cost of delivering 500,000 views per night per year, then that sounds a bit more realistic. A bit.

]]> By: davidp http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444359 davidp Thu, 08 May 2008 04:13:47 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444359 >Call me old fashioned, but I’d prefer it hand delivered by a stripper. You'd prefer to be handled by a stripper? In that case, $120billion could probably pay for strippers and lap dances for every Kiwi bloke for life. Which would mean full employment for Kiwi women... the good looking ones, at least. >Call me old fashioned, but I’d prefer it hand delivered by a stripper.

You’d prefer to be handled by a stripper? In that case, $120billion could probably pay for strippers and lap dances for every Kiwi bloke for life. Which would mean full employment for Kiwi women… the good looking ones, at least.

]]> By: Graeme Edgeler http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444358 Graeme Edgeler Thu, 08 May 2008 04:12:00 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444358 Close, Rupert - but the Telecom rate to which you link appears to be 1.78c per MB, not $1.78. Perhaps he made the same mistake? Close, Rupert – but the Telecom rate to which you link appears to be 1.78c per MB, not $1.78.

Perhaps he made the same mistake?

]]> By: ghostwhowalks3 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444357 ghostwhowalks3 Thu, 08 May 2008 04:11:33 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444357 Is TVNZ confusing 'viewers ' with 'households'. My guess is that 250,000 households is a lot cheaper AND if you are using the US cable style system which you could build for say $5 billion. Just as well TVNZ isnt in the ISP business Is TVNZ confusing ‘viewers ‘ with ‘households’.

My guess is that 250,000 households is a lot cheaper AND if you are using the US cable style system which you could build for say $5 billion.

Just as well TVNZ isnt in the ISP business

]]> By: llew http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444353 llew Thu, 08 May 2008 04:00:59 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444353 <blockquote>Using the Internet to deliver pornography… I bet no one has thought of doing that before!</blockquote> Call me old fashioned, but I'd prefer it hand delivered by a stripper.

Using the Internet to deliver pornography… I bet no one has thought of doing that before!

Call me old fashioned, but I’d prefer it hand delivered by a stripper.

]]> By: rupert http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444351 rupert Thu, 08 May 2008 04:00:26 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444351 If TVNZ wants to make some money from this, then they'd have to include advertisements, this would be 30 minutes of programming/advertisement or 2.5GB(ish) using the formula above. At the Telecom rate of $1.78 per MB (http://www.telecombusinesshub.co.nz/Internet/Broadband/Pages/Pricing.html), this would be around $4556.60 for TVNZ to allow this to download from their servers. multiply this by 500,000 watchers is $11392000000 so getting close to the $120 billion. And then they have to think about servers to host all this! If TVNZ wants to make some money from this, then they’d have to include advertisements, this would be 30 minutes of programming/advertisement or 2.5GB(ish) using the formula above.

At the Telecom rate of $1.78 per MB
(http://www.telecombusinesshub.co.nz/Internet/Broadband/Pages/Pricing.html), this would be around $4556.60 for TVNZ to allow this to download from their servers. multiply this by 500,000 watchers is $11392000000 so getting close to the $120 billion.

And then they have to think about servers to host all this!

]]> By: infused http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444349 infused Thu, 08 May 2008 03:56:13 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444349 Seriously though, wouldn't cost more than $50k to set it up and $20k a month to produce on the connection I quoted above. Seriously though, wouldn’t cost more than $50k to set it up and $20k a month to produce on the connection I quoted above.

]]> By: davidp http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444345 davidp Thu, 08 May 2008 03:52:48 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444345 >Its full of sex too, I am told by my teen grandaughter!!!! Using the Internet to deliver pornography... I bet no one has thought of doing that before! >Its full of sex too, I am told by my teen grandaughter!!!!

Using the Internet to deliver pornography… I bet no one has thought of doing that before!

]]> By: Buggerlugs http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444344 Buggerlugs Thu, 08 May 2008 03:52:46 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444344 Perhaps the $120 billion figure came from Toll Holdings. After all, they're good at pulling numbers out of their arses and getting silly old ex-history lecturers to believe them. Perhaps the $120 billion figure came from Toll Holdings. After all, they’re good at pulling numbers out of their arses and getting silly old ex-history lecturers to believe them.

]]> By: davidp http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444343 davidp Thu, 08 May 2008 03:51:22 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444343 I'm guessing there would be around 1million households in NZ. $120billion is $120k per household. Easily enough to bring fiber to each household's living room AND buy them a giant plasma TV AND a couch to sit on while they watch it. With change available to buy each household a new BMW and a jacuzzi. It was bad enough that Cullen just spent $700million on $400million worth of trains. Just wait for him to announce that he's going to spend $120billion on about $3.50 worth of television program. I’m guessing there would be around 1million households in NZ. $120billion is $120k per household. Easily enough to bring fiber to each household’s living room AND buy them a giant plasma TV AND a couch to sit on while they watch it. With change available to buy each household a new BMW and a jacuzzi.

It was bad enough that Cullen just spent $700million on $400million worth of trains. Just wait for him to announce that he’s going to spend $120billion on about $3.50 worth of television program.

]]> By: Paulus http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444339 Paulus Thu, 08 May 2008 03:49:08 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444339 Who the hell wants to watch "Shortass Street" - although I am told its good social history - with great gender and ethnic balance. Its full of sex too, I am told by my teen grandaughter!!!! Who the hell wants to watch “Shortass Street” – although I am told its good social history – with great gender and ethnic balance. Its full of sex too, I am told by my teen grandaughter!!!!

]]> By: PaulL http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444338 PaulL Thu, 08 May 2008 03:46:12 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444338 Of course, if Telecom peered locally instead of forcing all our traffic to go over the Southern Cross cable to the US and then back again, the cost would come down astronomically. We should keep pointing out that this is naked anti-competitive behaviour on their part, and that it is one of the most deserving cases of market regulation. Hopefully they'll decide to do it themselves before the regulation turns up. Of course, if Telecom peered locally instead of forcing all our traffic to go over the Southern Cross cable to the US and then back again, the cost would come down astronomically. We should keep pointing out that this is naked anti-competitive behaviour on their part, and that it is one of the most deserving cases of market regulation. Hopefully they’ll decide to do it themselves before the regulation turns up.

]]> By: mawgxxxxiv http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/shortland_street_via_internet.html#comment-444337 mawgxxxxiv Thu, 08 May 2008 03:46:01 +0000 http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19812#comment-444337 PaulL: It's on five nights a week ? Next you will be telling me that it gets Creative NZ funding. My calculation then becomes $115 million pa. PaulL: It’s on five nights a week ? Next you will be telling me that it gets Creative NZ funding. My calculation then becomes $115 million pa.

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