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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446969</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No 1. Give Steve a break how can he resign from been a MP when he&#039;s superglued to the public tit, the mans a socialist and socialists don&#039;t do their own money thing well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No 1. Give Steve a break how can he resign from been a MP when he&#8217;s superglued to the public tit, the mans a socialist and socialists don&#8217;t do their own money thing well.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 06:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right wing commentators seem to be equally capable of unreasonable vitriol, as I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve noticed. I agree with Rex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right wing commentators seem to be equally capable of unreasonable vitriol, as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve noticed. I agree with Rex.</p>
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		<title>By: labrator</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446908</link>
		<dc:creator>labrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;staff who’d “publish and be damned” no matter whose agenda was favoured by the facts they uncovered&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The only problem I see with this is that anybody who did this would just get hung out and dried as a non-caring, own agenda pushing right winger. All you need to do is look at the sort of vitriolic statements that come from some of the left learning commentors on this blog to see why you wouldn&#039;t want your name attributed to a publication like that. What I seem to have noticed over the last decade is that more and more &quot;rich pricks&quot; like to pretend to be every day joes, no Ferraris, no Porsches, modest house and no way of really telling how much they earn because being in the limelight or being obvious is a good way to get noticed for what seem to be the wrong reasons these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>staff who’d “publish and be damned” no matter whose agenda was favoured by the facts they uncovered</p></blockquote>
<p>The only problem I see with this is that anybody who did this would just get hung out and dried as a non-caring, own agenda pushing right winger. All you need to do is look at the sort of vitriolic statements that come from some of the left learning commentors on this blog to see why you wouldn&#8217;t want your name attributed to a publication like that. What I seem to have noticed over the last decade is that more and more &#8220;rich pricks&#8221; like to pretend to be every day joes, no Ferraris, no Porsches, modest house and no way of really telling how much they earn because being in the limelight or being obvious is a good way to get noticed for what seem to be the wrong reasons these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446891</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stephen says: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Doing something about it would seem to be an invitation for counter-bias.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could be, stephen. And that might appeal more to the people to whom my challenge is addressed, I guess. But if they &lt;i&gt;truly&lt;/i&gt; believe much of our media is biased toward a leftist perspective, then maybe there&#039;s one or two brave enough to establish a media outlet with an editor and staff who&#039;d &quot;publish and be damned&quot; no matter whose agenda was favoured by the facts they uncovered, and - most importantly, in my view - prepared to fund the time and manpower needed to produce investigative pieces.

I happen not to believe there&#039;s significant bias among journalists (though I&#039;d grant they&#039;re usually more liberal than a sample of the average population), but having worked in it during a time of change, when staff numbers were being slashed, I do believe there&#039;s now so much pressure on too few people working under unreasonable cost constraints that journalism can&#039;t possibly flourish. And I&#039;m tired of hearing this attributed to &quot;left wing bias&quot; by people who have it in their power to create and fund media that needn&#039;t struggle under those sorts of constraints - but don&#039;t.

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First time caller: They are about to. You clearly need to buy your quality NZ journalism fresh from the dairy, not wait for it to show up in your proctologist&#039;s waiting room six months later :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stephen says: </p>
<blockquote><p>Doing something about it would seem to be an invitation for counter-bias.</p></blockquote>
<p>Could be, stephen. And that might appeal more to the people to whom my challenge is addressed, I guess. But if they <i>truly</i> believe much of our media is biased toward a leftist perspective, then maybe there&#8217;s one or two brave enough to establish a media outlet with an editor and staff who&#8217;d &#8220;publish and be damned&#8221; no matter whose agenda was favoured by the facts they uncovered, and &#8211; most importantly, in my view &#8211; prepared to fund the time and manpower needed to produce investigative pieces.</p>
<p>I happen not to believe there&#8217;s significant bias among journalists (though I&#8217;d grant they&#8217;re usually more liberal than a sample of the average population), but having worked in it during a time of change, when staff numbers were being slashed, I do believe there&#8217;s now so much pressure on too few people working under unreasonable cost constraints that journalism can&#8217;t possibly flourish. And I&#8217;m tired of hearing this attributed to &#8220;left wing bias&#8221; by people who have it in their power to create and fund media that needn&#8217;t struggle under those sorts of constraints &#8211; but don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>edit:</p>
<p>First time caller: They are about to. You clearly need to buy your quality NZ journalism fresh from the dairy, not wait for it to show up in your proctologist&#8217;s waiting room six months later <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: first time caller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446889</link>
		<dc:creator>first time caller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad and Angelina have twins?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad and Angelina have twins?</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446879</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex, I figured that was your angle (Good to see that you&#039;ve expanded on it now though), and I agree with the tone of your first three paragraphs (who wouldn&#039;t).  It seems you aren&#039;t actually suggesting setting up an explicitly &#039;right wing&#039; publication (one might say that we have the NBR already), but simply one that does more digging? Not sure how you can say &#039;&#039;do something about it&quot; (&#039;bias&#039;) but then talk about publishing what they find without proprietorial influence - would seem to conflict a bit. Doing something about it would seem to be an invitation for counter-bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex, I figured that was your angle (Good to see that you&#8217;ve expanded on it now though), and I agree with the tone of your first three paragraphs (who wouldn&#8217;t).  It seems you aren&#8217;t actually suggesting setting up an explicitly &#8216;right wing&#8217; publication (one might say that we have the NBR already), but simply one that does more digging? Not sure how you can say &#8221;do something about it&#8221; (&#8216;bias&#8217;) but then talk about publishing what they find without proprietorial influence &#8211; would seem to conflict a bit. Doing something about it would seem to be an invitation for counter-bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446865</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investigative reporting is a substantial cost on any newspaper, TV or radio proprietor, stephen. It&#039;s cheaper to cut-and-paste crap on Angelina and Brad&#039;s twins than to maintain a stable of journalists who&#039;re only expected to write when they have something important to impart.

I got out of journalism when newspapers started telling their journalists that they were expected to supply x column centimetres a day. &quot;Never mind the quality, feel the width&quot; as they say.

I&#039;m sure many here will claim that it&#039;s capitalism in action and the fact that the decimation of newsroom numbers brings a few extra cents on the annual shareholders&#039; dividend (and a handy raise to the directors&#039; fees) is to be heralded (if you&#039;ll pardon the pun). But I hold this quaint old fashioned view that the media has another duty - to it&#039;s readership / listenership / viewership. And - to a greater or lesser degree - that duty has been sacrificed at the altar of &quot;cost control&quot;.

My challenge is to those people (mainly of the Right, though that&#039;s not to say I entirely agree with their critique) with wealth who moan that the media is &quot;too liberal&quot; or &quot;too left wing&quot;. To them I say: do something about it. Establish more media. Invest in staff. Let those staff publish what they find, without proprietorial influence or interference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investigative reporting is a substantial cost on any newspaper, TV or radio proprietor, stephen. It&#8217;s cheaper to cut-and-paste crap on Angelina and Brad&#8217;s twins than to maintain a stable of journalists who&#8217;re only expected to write when they have something important to impart.</p>
<p>I got out of journalism when newspapers started telling their journalists that they were expected to supply x column centimetres a day. &#8220;Never mind the quality, feel the width&#8221; as they say.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure many here will claim that it&#8217;s capitalism in action and the fact that the decimation of newsroom numbers brings a few extra cents on the annual shareholders&#8217; dividend (and a handy raise to the directors&#8217; fees) is to be heralded (if you&#8217;ll pardon the pun). But I hold this quaint old fashioned view that the media has another duty &#8211; to it&#8217;s readership / listenership / viewership. And &#8211; to a greater or lesser degree &#8211; that duty has been sacrificed at the altar of &#8220;cost control&#8221;.</p>
<p>My challenge is to those people (mainly of the Right, though that&#8217;s not to say I entirely agree with their critique) with wealth who moan that the media is &#8220;too liberal&#8221; or &#8220;too left wing&#8221;. To them I say: do something about it. Establish more media. Invest in staff. Let those staff publish what they find, without proprietorial influence or interference.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446856</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*who* is unhappy with the way the media operates? Didn&#039;t think it was the rich guys. I was under the impression that the &#039;considerable&#039; money was currently invested in the mainstream media. Thus presumably they would have invested in some diversity/investigative reporting if they thought it would make them some money...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*who* is unhappy with the way the media operates? Didn&#8217;t think it was the rich guys. I was under the impression that the &#8216;considerable&#8217; money was currently invested in the mainstream media. Thus presumably they would have invested in some diversity/investigative reporting if they thought it would make them some money&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: GPT1</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446854</link>
		<dc:creator>GPT1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rex said:
&lt;i&gt; Question(s) 11 - Since all of the above questions are not only of genuine interest but also of vital import to our democracy, why is it that the only place they are being asked repeatedly (as opposed to asked once and then dropped in favour of stories about prostitute newsreaders) is on a blog? &lt;/i&gt;

Ouch.  Harsh but fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rex said:<br />
<i> Question(s) 11 &#8211; Since all of the above questions are not only of genuine interest but also of vital import to our democracy, why is it that the only place they are being asked repeatedly (as opposed to asked once and then dropped in favour of stories about prostitute newsreaders) is on a blog? </i></p>
<p>Ouch.  Harsh but fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446849</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question(s) 11 - Since all of the above questions are not only of genuine interest but also of vital import to our democracy, why is it that the only place they are being asked repeatedly (as opposed to asked once and then dropped in favour of stories about prostitute newsreaders) is on a blog? 

Isn&#039;t it time NZ had an MSM outlet which actually served the public with robust investigative journalism rather than simply cut newsroom costs to improve its balance sheet? 

So when will some of the people who claim to be unhappy with the way the media operates put their (considerable) money where their mouths are and invest in increasing the diversity of NZ&#039;s media?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question(s) 11 &#8211; Since all of the above questions are not only of genuine interest but also of vital import to our democracy, why is it that the only place they are being asked repeatedly (as opposed to asked once and then dropped in favour of stories about prostitute newsreaders) is on a blog? </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it time NZ had an MSM outlet which actually served the public with robust investigative journalism rather than simply cut newsroom costs to improve its balance sheet? </p>
<p>So when will some of the people who claim to be unhappy with the way the media operates put their (considerable) money where their mouths are and invest in increasing the diversity of NZ&#8217;s media?</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446845</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question- why is the Dominion-Post doctoring photographs which could cause embarrasment?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/05/good-look-for-police.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question- why is the Dominion-Post doctoring photographs which could cause embarrasment?</p>
<p><a href="http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/05/good-look-for-police.html" rel="nofollow">http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/05/good-look-for-police.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446842</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NZ First has stated that the delay was due to &quot;auditing&quot; - what auditing does a nil return require????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NZ First has stated that the delay was due to &#8220;auditing&#8221; &#8211; what auditing does a nil return require????</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446826</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am confused about Winston First&#039;s nil declaration.   Didn&#039;t Dail Jones, NZF Past-President, say at the time of their supposed $155k &#039;donation&#039; that $90K had mysterously appeared in their bank account &#039;like mana from heaven&#039;.

So I guess I&#039;m not the only one that&#039;s &#039;confused&#039;.   How about ...

Winston
Dail
NZF Bankers
NZF Auditors
The Electoral Commission
and most of all, Joe Public

explaination required!!!!!! (but I&#039;m not holding my breath)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am confused about Winston First&#8217;s nil declaration.   Didn&#8217;t Dail Jones, NZF Past-President, say at the time of their supposed $155k &#8216;donation&#8217; that $90K had mysterously appeared in their bank account &#8216;like mana from heaven&#8217;.</p>
<p>So I guess I&#8217;m not the only one that&#8217;s &#8216;confused&#8217;.   How about &#8230;</p>
<p>Winston<br />
Dail<br />
NZF Bankers<br />
NZF Auditors<br />
The Electoral Commission<br />
and most of all, Joe Public</p>
<p>explaination required!!!!!! (but I&#8217;m not holding my breath)</p>
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		<title>By: burt</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446824</link>
		<dc:creator>burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ghost-who-spanks-himself-in-public

I suspect it won&#039;t be an issue once Labour pass &lt;b&gt;retrospective&lt;/b&gt; validating legislation and let all parties who broke the law have a get out of jail card. 

Move on! Others were doing it too! It&#039;s confusing! It&#039;s the way it&#039;s always been done!    

What other excuse will you happily accept from Labour but not tolerate from any other party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ghost-who-spanks-himself-in-public</p>
<p>I suspect it won&#8217;t be an issue once Labour pass <b>retrospective</b> validating legislation and let all parties who broke the law have a get out of jail card. </p>
<p>Move on! Others were doing it too! It&#8217;s confusing! It&#8217;s the way it&#8217;s always been done!    </p>
<p>What other excuse will you happily accept from Labour but not tolerate from any other party?</p>
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		<title>By: ghostwhowalks3</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostwhowalks3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 00:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SO ACT  were 3 weeks late after 3 months grace period to file ONE SINGLE DONATION.

I smell a rat, the money has gone to another entity which will try to sneak it in later</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SO ACT  were 3 weeks late after 3 months grace period to file ONE SINGLE DONATION.</p>
<p>I smell a rat, the money has gone to another entity which will try to sneak it in later</p>
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		<title>By: damocles</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446815</link>
		<dc:creator>damocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems somehow incredible that NZ First has reported no donations over $10K and yet they managed to scrape up the funds to offer to Starship et al.

Is no-one responsible for auditing these returns?

Rhetorical question, natch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems somehow incredible that NZ First has reported no donations over $10K and yet they managed to scrape up the funds to offer to Starship et al.</p>
<p>Is no-one responsible for auditing these returns?</p>
<p>Rhetorical question, natch.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446814</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was ANY time to donate big money to NZ First, it was when it legal to do so anonymously! ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was ANY time to donate big money to NZ First, it was when it legal to do so anonymously! ha!</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446813</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What a hoot! No-one has donated anything to NZ First!!!!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s what&#039;s been declared. Are they honest? Let the voters decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What a hoot! No-one has donated anything to NZ First!!!!!</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s what&#8217;s been declared. Are they honest? Let the voters decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Edgeler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme Edgeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no longer a three term MP&#039;s pension.

They got rid of that quite some time ago. Now it&#039;s just a subsidized pension scheme like any other employer might have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no longer a three term MP&#8217;s pension.</p>
<p>They got rid of that quite some time ago. Now it&#8217;s just a subsidized pension scheme like any other employer might have.</p>
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		<title>By: Inventory2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/some_questions.html#comment-446810</link>
		<dc:creator>Inventory2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/?p=19867#comment-446810</guid>
		<description>What a hoot! No-one has donated anything to NZ First!!!!!</description>
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