Im sure most people in every political Party also eat dairy food, but cant see how that would affect their support of the ETS. The ETS is a dog and will destroy our economy

the point is when you take the moral high ground: “At least the Greens stand by what they believe” you have to make sure they do

I see John Key has directorships or controlling interests in dairy farming. Wonder if there’s any connection between that and the Nats’ flip-flop on the Emissions Trading Scheme?

Anyway, s 5(2) of the EFA:

(2) The following are not election advertisements:
…
(g) the publication by an individual, on a non-commercial basis, on the Internet of his or her personal political views (being the kind of publication commonly known as a blog).

So even if some of those websites were non-compliant, it wouldn’t take much work to make them compliant. I suspect there is another reason they have been taken down completely, and it likely has something to do with revamping Labour’s digital strategy for the election.

According to some on the right, the EFA is responsible for climate change and oil price increases too, by the way!

Do not get sucked into their attempts to divert you away from the corrupt actions of our current government. The Greens and Labour are the problem. Not National.

-http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/A823A6F4-088C-4A8E-8577-16687DFA0F8B/82759/register2008_1.pdf

Patrick, put that to Jeanette. I don’t know anything about her investments. Her address is jeanette.fitzsimons@parliament.govt.nz. She doesn’t have the time to regularly monitor this (or any other) blog, but email her, give her the url of your post, and I’m sure she will respond.

So if my contibutions don’t realise their expected return because of Government intervention, then I lose.

Sorry, I thought you guys on the right were into the level playing field of the market. Obviously not, because you are now asking for, and applauding, government intervention to undermine what I, and many others, understood were the rules the savings market would be playing by – after we have started investing on the basis of those rules.

We’re talking retrospectivity here – the most abhorrent abrogation of constitutional propriety. If this happens, it will be just as great a constitutional travesty as Muldoon’s Western Samoan Citizenship Act that stripped thousands of people of their pre-existing right to be citizens of New Zealand.

You reckon we’ll get used to economic rigor mortis then?

Employer Contirbutes.
The funds once invested achieve returns which will usually be positive but at times may be negative.

Therefore if your employer stops contributing you will have less money available to invest but unless you change the asset allocation of the fund into which you are investing your returns will not change.

Green, without a doubt Patrick.

Ed Snack said: So you’ve been had by a confidence trickster, Cullen’s his name, have it out with him.

Possibly, Ed. But if Key legislates to change the scheme, which he originally supported, then he’s no better, or possibly worse, than Cullen.

Another good reason to vote Green – the rest of the polies have no principles that withstand the pragmatism of potential electoral victory. At least the Greens stand by what they believe, even though some of it might be unpopular in the short term.

So Toad wouldn’t invest if it wasn’t for the fact that others were forced to contribute to his savings, nice touch that Toad, I reckon you deserve to get a lower return with an attitude like that. And you do know, I guess, that you could contribute the extra yourself, from the extra pay increase your likely to get if there’s no compulsory employer contribution. Except in the public service of course, there, you’re likely to get both because the public service, at least under this government, is not paid by those in charge, but by the poor sods who don’t have a choice about “contributing”, the net taxpayers.

You signed up Toad, to a political scheme, based on the the fact you thought you could get other people to provide you with extra, and not voluntarily either. So you’ve been had by a confidence trickster, Cullen’s his name, have it out with him.

I like the way your talking these days Toad. Come November you may be voting……..?

Actually, there would be for me. I wasn’t going to sign up for Kiwisaver until after the employer contributions were announced and legistated for. If some future government abolishes that provision, there is real risk for me. I could have put my money where it would have got a better return, had I known.

If the Nats, should they be in Government, now keep my money locked in, but deny me my expected return on the basis I signed up to Kiwisaver on, this will be a very grumpy toad indeed.

Promotion of view points should be free and open with minimal restriction. There are a bunch of exisiting options in law, in counter response, in a free press and in public opinion censure to manage taste, lies and slander.

The twin issues behind all previous restrictive law and the EFA are 1. market control advantages to the two dominant parties for when each has their turn in the electoral sun and 2. the never dying ‘power bloc’ mentality of the marxist world view – that Capital and the Blue Blood classes have some kind of innate power over the proletariat and therefore real power must be won and maintained by force or in democracies, by biased legislation, to ‘balance up the power gradients of society’

This belief was behind much of Margaret Wilson’s legislative activism in the first term of this govt and explains any number of the tendencies of Clark and co to legislate the way they have and operate the govt machine the way they do.

This belief in the need to bias the rules never dies because of an unwillingness to appreciate the subtle virtues and efficacy of the common rule of one law for all, the the hard won protective institutions of civil society and the freedom opportunity of all people to associate, to trade, to speak out, to progress their lives, to become educated and to believe as they choose.

Academic socialist critique, including honking and snorting, of capitalism, markets and the civil institutions of freedom continue unabated yet the lot and lives of ordinary folk the world over have only *ever* improved under more-market, more -freedom conditions.

This is why the protest against the EFA continues, because this type of proscription starts to go to the heart of the eons old battle between freedom and state control of lives for the state’s own ends. People like John Boscawen deeply understand this and will never ever rest until EFA is dismantled. This is why the National Party would be unwise to think anti-EFA activism is just anti Labour activism.

How is Ruth Dyson doing nowadays?

I hope she’s taking Salvation Army singing lessons.