The Greens Party List
May 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pm by David FarrarThe Greens have released their party list. No Right Turn has it, along with changes from 2005.
What I thought I would cover is how it varies from the list the hierarchy drew up, and sent to the members. Not a lot of changes (ie most people ranked them in the order supplied) but a few:
- David Clendon up from 11 to 10 (+1)
- Gareth Hughes down from 10 to 11 (-1)
- Mikarere Curtis down from 13 to 16 (-3)
- Quentin Duthie from from 14 to 15 (-1)
- Rick Leckinger down from 15 to 17 (-2)
- Mojo Mathers up from 16 to 13 (+3)
- Jon Carapiet dropped out (was 17)
- Donna Wynd down from 18 to 20 (-2)
- Jeanette Elley up from 19 to 18 (+1)
- Richard Green dropped out (was 20)
- Virginia Horrocks up from 21 to 19
- James Redwood down from 22 to 23 (-1)
- David Hay up from 23 to 21 (+2)
- Diana Mellor up from 25 to 22 (+3)
- Jan McGlachlan up from 26 to 25 (+1)
- Mike Ward up from 27 to 14 (+13)
Mike Ward is the one who has changed most. Obviously the party members think a lot more of him than the hierarchy do. It will be interesting if will will roll over and allow Russel Norman to leapfrog him to become an MP in a few weeks.
On current polling the Greens would get seven MPs. Some months up to nine. So the likely Caucus at this stage is:
- Jeanette Fitzsimons
- Russel Norman
- Sue Bradford
- Metira Turei
- Sue Kedgley
- Keith Locke
- Kevin Hague
- Catherine Delahunty (possible)
- Kennedy Graham (possible)
May 12th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Interesting to see something missing from their updated site. Well not missing, but hidden away. The last mention being in November 2006.
Cannabis Law Reform – heck its even missing from Metira Turei’s page.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Much the same for nationals site, most policy is from 2005 and the newer stuff, well they change so much the web staff dont know what to put in case they are seen as disloyal.
Vote:As well see in melbourne , a web site devoted to attacking the Liberal leader was traced to State Liberal HQ. A junior guy went immediately a more senior guy later on.
Still looking for the burglar who got all of Dons emails though!
May 12th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Theyhave some excellent people on their list.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Kennedy Graham has heaps of diplomatic experience… Shame he’s such a global warming fanatic. I was in his class at Canterbury and he was very matter of factual about the seriousness of the impact our carbon footprints have on the world etc.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Any info on when other parties will release their lists? Particularly the big too. Labour will be interesting, as it could see 5 incumbent MPs or so loose their seats. Also interesting whether Heather Roy or Roger Douglas get the no. 2 slot on ACT’s list.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
Another thread jack from Comrade GWW…
As noted elsewhere there seems to be very few environmentalists in the first half dozen or so Green’s, I guess they really have become more of a party interested in “social justice” than Green issues.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
The do have some excellent people on their list. Shame there’s a whole lot of commie pinko interfering social engineers ahead of them on the list, thus meaning they’ll never get into Parliament and we’ll be subjected to more finger-wagging from those that do make it.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Big bruv … Once Jeanette retires the Greens will look like the Emperor with no clothes. As you say, lots of the extremely looney left but very few people who’re true environmentalists. The rabid lefties have taken over.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
God what a disgusting bunch of time-servers, bureaucrats and interfering old busybodies. The idea of these people representing the nation just makes me want to barf. Why does the media give these pieces of shit even a moment’s notice? I can just about see how 7% of the population are retarded enough to vote for weed-smoking abortionists like this gang but why the rest are willing to listen to them rant I just can’t understand. Perhaps even that 7% is questionable – would Labour throw a bit of its electoral corruption the Greens’ way?
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
WHO CARES boring tree bonkers and dak smokers
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
ANY party that wants to be taken seriously doesn’t have Keith Locke as its defence spokesman.
Its mental health spokesman maybe. But not defence.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
i see the top 8 being split 4/4 environmentalists/alliance refugees..
and the large jump by mike ward is merely an echo of how he got so high on the list in the first place..
in that greens are meant to be almost religious about their votes/rankings..
but ward ignored those strictures..and got the whole of nelson and environs to block-vote him higher up on the list than he would have got..
had nelson etc been kosher in their voting..
politics..it’s a dirty business..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
WITH THE PRICE OF TRANSPORT LOOMING, i would suggest in six months time, greenies keep your heads down , you will be blamed, and hung, by the general public
Vote:but then BP will made more money that people can understand 2009 annual report XXXXXXXXbillions, BUT ITS GOING TO BE THE GREENIES FAULT, tree bonkers, dont wear your badges
May 12th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Phule politics is a dirty business, and the Greens better change their attitudes to personal hygiene, given the amount of Labour’s shit that will stick to them.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Not a very multicultural list. (It reads like a national party list. Ha!) In fact the Green list is a great advertisement for PI, Asian and Indian immigration.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Phil
You make a good point about the Alliance refugees, why have the true Greens let this lot infiltrate your party?, you would have a lot more widespread support if you went back to the core Green issues such as clean rivers and lakes, hell even I would vote for that.
You are turning the public off big time with all this social justice crap, middle NZ has had a guts full of paying for other people to do nothing or paying for the upkeep of other peoples kids, people like Sue Bradford, Comrade Norman and Keith Locke only harm your (the Greens) chances of reelection
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
philu said: i see the top 8 being split 4/4 environmentalists/alliance refugees..
Well, Jeanette, Russel and Keith were in the Alliance – because the Greens were in the Alliance as a strategic decision to help get a proportional electoral system. Sue Bradford, having been a founding Green member in the early 90s, didn’t rejoin the Greens until after they left the Alliance. Sue Kedgley, Metiria Turei and Kevin Hague never were in the Alliance as far as I know. Not sure about Catherine Delahunty, but if she were in the Alliance, she certainly didn’t have a high profile there. I don’t think any of the next four had anything to do with the Alliance.
You make the mistake, philu, of assuming that because some MPs don’t have environmental spokesperson responsibilities, they don’t care about the environment. Someone has to take on the non-environmental portfolios. Because Sue Bradford and Keith have expertise outside strictly environmental areas (such as Sue’s in industrial relations, social development and employment, and Keith’s in foreign affairs and defence) they have been allocated those spokesperson roles. But I’ve also seen both of them debating environmental issues in a very informed and articulate manner – just you don’t often see it in the media, because the key environmental spokesperson roles are not theirs.
And the list below the Co-Leaders and MPs has excellent environmental credentials too:
Kevin Hague who has a long history of advocating for cyclists,
Catherine Delahunty who has campaigned for years against mining in the Coromandel, and been a leading voice defending rivers and water quality on the East Coast,
Ken Graham who as written a book on climate change and sustainability from an international perspective,
David Clendon who lectures on environmental sustainability,
Gareth Hughes who campaigns on climate change for a living,
Steffan Browning who is an organic farmer and envirinmental campaigner.
And Mike E, the Greens, like all political parties, release policy with a strategic timeframe to try to make the most impact. So most of what you see on the website at the moment will still be 2005 stuff. Doesn’t mean there hasn’t been a lot of work done since – just it’s not in the public domain yet.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
big bruv said: Phil You make a good point about the Alliance refugees, why have the true Greens let this lot infiltrate your party?
Well, BB, I think I answered the bit about Alliance refugees above. The Green Party made a strategic decision to be part of the Alliance for several years, and then made a strategic and principled decison to leave, so of course there will be people on the list who were once in the Alliance.
But referring to the Greens as your [Phil's] party is totally off-beam, BB. Phil is not a Green member, and hasn’t been for several years.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/05/smelter-puts-government-on-notice.html
I’m sure they’ll all be celebrating if Tiwai Point smelter closes…..
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Did any body notice the Rayna Fahey lives in Melbourne, have they considered her carbon footprint…At least she has a qualification in Gender Studies… Another Winner
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
ah toad..!..rewriting history..eh..?
the actual timeline is..
the environmentalist ‘greens/green part left the alliance..
bradford/locke/norman etc didn’t leave at that time..
they stayed in the alliance..
then..either anderton ‘saw them off’ (bradford)/the alliance disintergrated..
that was when ‘the alliance refugees’ arrived back in the green party..
and systematically took over the party..stacking ‘their people’ in all key positions..
(with their biggest success/confirmation of their ‘takeover’ being the election of norman..over the ‘natural’ successor..tanczos..)
the alliance refugees saw/see the green party as their fallback vehicle..
that it is the green party is a secondary thought/consideration..
and yes..i do blame them for the culture of sidelining ‘green/environmental issues..in favour of their policies/priorities..
(many of which i agree with..but..)
and with that green party culture of cooking/eating animals/bbq-ing at all green party functions..
and the ongoing derison of any who queried/questioned these practices..
and yes..toad..i have repeatedly told these people i have had nothing to do with the green party..(aside from voting for it/writing about it..)
..for many years now..
but that dosen’t mean..toad… i’ll stand by and let you get away with your exercise in revisionist history..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Phil. Hard to see what you’re hoping to achieve by that post.
Also, I don’t doubt that a lot of what you say is true, but obviously it’s a great deal more complex than that as well. i.e. environmental legislation is often harder to get through than the social legislation because it’s less popular with the electorate. And of course politicians are going to be more inclined to join parties that they see have a future. No surprise there.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
One question, why has Sue Kedgley dropped one place? Could it be that her persistent “ban this” “ban that” “make this compulsory” Nannying is less than a vote catcher?
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
roger..farrars’ latest poll-newsletter had ‘the environment’ as a top concern for 91% of those polled..
(maybe what you claim was true in the past..but ..if not now..?..when exactly..?
and you can’t see the reason for my comment/rebuttal of toads’ revisionist bullshit..?
i don’t really care if the bullshit is from the left or the right..if i see it..i’ll call it as such..
and i don’t ‘self-censor’ for/on ideological/partisan grounds..
(seeing as you asked..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
One question, why has Sue Kedgley dropped one place? Could it be that her persistent “ban this” “ban that” “make this compulsory”
Doubt it, that’s their one of their major platforms. I think it’s just Turei being more appealing to greenies and younger people.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
“Gareth Hughes who campaigns on climate change for a living”
You mean toad, that he is paid by Parliamentary Services to work in the Green office?
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
philu: It is your facts that are not correct, and you who are trying to rewrite history. If you still think it is me who is wrong, tell me which years Sue Bradford was in the Alliance? That will be difficult, because there were none. She was never in the Alliance to be able to leave it. Keith Locke left the Alliance with the Greens when they left. Admittedly, Russel Norman stayed in the Alliance for a short while after the Greens left, so I suppose there is a wee bit of truth in your assertions.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
James W said: “Gareth Hughes who campaigns on climate change for a living” You mean toad, that he is paid by Parliamentary Services to work in the Green office?
Currently he does work for Parliamentary Service assisting Green MPs on climate change, James W. But he’s also worked for Greenpeace on this issue.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
“Shame there’s a whole lot of commie pinko interfering social engineers ahead of them on the list”
wow that will tell them, will this go down in the anals of great moments in political analysis, oh not, it’s all pretty good stuff;
“At least she has a qualification in Gender Studies” is this a bad thing? Apparently? How the fuck this is a bad thing I’m not sure, well not if you aren’t a right wing extremist that is anyway, still the insightful analysis continues
“You are turning the public off big time with all this social justice crap”, yeah that’s right we’d hate for us to have egalitarian views, only every major poll about social values for the last 20+ years has shown that we put social values at the top of political agenda, time and time again. Still in this nice little incubator of haters and extremists, this would seem like a radical idea.
“what a disgusting bunch of time-servers, bureaucrats and interfering old busybodies”
So given that Clarkson said all he needs to fix the housing problems in NZ is “five minutes” and seemingly he was about to get three years, what a run away whimp. He told us he could fix housing and now he’s running away, who is the pork belly sucking the national tit time-server now.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Toad
If Russ and Keith are refugees from the Alliance then you must see that this would give weight to the accusation that your party has been hijacked by those with a hard left agenda, it also seems to confirm that Russ in particular is using the Greens as a vehicles of convenience to further his (almost) communist ideals.
What about going back to being a true Green party?
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Richard- You’re probably right that it’s more to do with Metiria being viewed more positively, rather than Sue and Keith having been “demoted”. Keep in mind that essentially any list position below 7 isn’t very important, anyway, as most parties that break the cutoff will hit 6 or 7 MPs. Do keep in mind as well that the Greens have commitment to Te Tiriti o Waitangi as one of their core priorities, and Metiria has put in a pretty decent amount of work on treaty issues, so that could’ve had a hand too.
I find it amusing that people here simultaneously attack the veteran Green MPs for not having enough environmentalist credentials, and then also attack the new candidates for advocating climate change. Which is it guys- are the Greens too red, or too green?
Bruv- get your facts straight. Keith was in the Alliance when the Greens were, and left with them. It’s hard to hijack a political party with values that it agrees with.
Also, you’re not amusing anyone by playing the “but they’re communists!” card. Being Leftist doesn’t make someone a communist any more than being from the Right makes someone a fascist.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Paul
Seen the latest poll?, I would suggest that middle NZ (you know, the ones that pay the bloody tax) have had enough of the “social value” issue.
By the way, your bitterness is really showing through, yes you are going to lose the election but the sun will still come up the next morning…and as for Clarkson, is it really that hard for you to appreciate that a man who has real expertise in the area might be able to fix up the appalling fucking mess Labour have made of this problem?
I have no doubt that he can and will fix it in what amounts to “five minutes”, certainly if you are talking about a political time frame, after all your lot were going to…”close the gaps” get NZ into the “top half of the OECD”, make NZ “Carbon Neutral” and put an end to “golden handshakes”, they have not managed to do that in nine years so Clarksons “five minutes” should be a breeze.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Bruv- did you notice the Nats and Act are only up .5%? 1.5% if you add United Future?
Good luck hanging on to that when it comes time to actually disclose policies and principles to the public.
Also- are the golden handshakes you refer to in the public sector or the private sector? It’d take some pretty impressively wasteful economic intervention to shoot private-sector golden handshakes in the… hand. As for closing the gaps? I’d say they’ve made progress.
Although I agree with you that Labour have broken the other two promises quite handily, trying to gun for a bigger slice of the economic pie is stupid given how much more important climate change is. Not to mention National has done nothing to convince me they can manage either the economy or the climate any better than Labour.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Actuall Ari, they haven’t made any progress in closing the gap with the rest of the OECD. Last year we were passed by…Greece. Yes, GREECE.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
interesting toad..how you challenge one small fact..and nothing else..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
From the Greens’ own website: Work and life experience of the top ranked candidates:
Look, I’ve met Keith Locke, he’s a lovely guy. If I was considering him for a position of responsibility commensurate with that of an MP however, his CV wouldn’t make it past the first cut, and neither would any of the others. It seems to me the Greens are taking advantage of the fact there’s a body numbering approximately 5% of the population naive enough not to take such factors into consideration in their voting decision. In other words, by fielding such a poorly qualified bunch of mediocre achievers, the Greens are rorting the system, and exploiting the terminally naive to the detriment of us all. How awful. Why don’t they just give up and do the entire country a favour?
I bet they don’t though, which just goes to show that underneath it all they’re just venal selfish terrible people exploiting those less naive than themselves. What a bunch of vipers.
P.S. What’s an anarcho-feminist performance troupe, and are they available for parties?
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
“Kevin Hague who has a long history of advocating for cyclists”
If that is regarded as a suitable criteria to elect one of the 120 people to govern this country then God help us.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Big Bruv,
Clarkson is the epitome of an over inflated self opinion, one who’s perception of the size of his bollox is inversely proportional to his ability to do what he thinks he can.
He claimed on National Radio, he only needs “five minutes” to fix the housing problem in NZ. Only 5, not bad really. He’s possibly about to get 3 years, yet he’s deciding that he doesn’t want to do it.
More like he’s incapable of doing it and he still wants to look bravado. This is the definition of arrogance, this is the definition of looser. I had bugger all care for the man before that radio interview over the weekend, now I think what an arrogant prick. If the problem can be solved as easily as he claims, and yet if he’s about to get the chance to do so and won’t what a tosser, of the most ultimate. The consummate smart arse.
Of course, his perception of “fixing the problem” is different to others in the industry, which in turn will be different to others still.
At least none of the Greens have been this arrogant and bravado. This man is the consummate leech. He has been in government for x years now, sucking the tit as you folk on the right call it, he’s about to get his chance to actually do something with his time, and pop, like a blow up doll, all ability to stand-up for what he believes is false and gone.
I am furious at his words and actions, I think this makes him one of the biggest whimps ever in the history of the govt. We all know why he was put into Tauranga, and his actions have just proven it. No I am not bitter, I am bloody angry. If he really thinks there is a problem to be fixed, and is about to get the chance to “fix” it, yet walks away – shame shame shame.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
The only shame Paul, is that you ever made it into the classroom to infect children’s minds with your fucked up views.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
reid:
Wow what a popous speil that was. Now tell me. Did you vote for Jenny Shipley’s National Government?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Shipley
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Ried. Can you guess who this is?
“She was born and christened Jennifer Mary Robson in the southern town of Gore, New Zealand. In 1971 she gained qualification as a teacher, and taught in New Zealand primary schools until 1976. She also served in a number of educational and child-care organizations, such as the Plunket Society.”
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
Gee, if Turei is a public law expert, how come a pot-smoking social sciences grad is their spokesperson on constitutional issues?
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Further, Big Bruv, if we are to take the latest poll (which one in particular, you know the one with social values question, because the last one of those I saw at the end of last year was still the same, tax cuts came in 4th on the list – up, but still 4th), we are only taking a snap shot. We are not tracking trends, as DPF with political polls. “The ones who pay tax” funny I was of the assumption that we all have to pay tax? Is that the sound of a distant violin…
“The ones who pay tax” yeah like you are really concerned for them, and as if National is really concerned for them. National is going to borrow to pay for tax cuts, thus increasing our overseas debt, increasing inflationary pressures, keeping interest rates high, making our vulnerability to foreign pressures even greater – if that is for the “ones who pay tax” then I’ll accompany Lockwood Smith in a rendition of “Oh Danny Boy” – you know the singing National MP, they do exist.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
I think Shipleys qualifications as a teacher and childcare worker are quite appropriate, given she had to deal with people who a) yell “diddums” across the House, b) steal things off other people and then try to blame someone else, and c) fight in public.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
“pot-smoking social sciences grad” is this a bad thing, holly crap.
Well possibly because she knows more about constitutional issues than you could possibly imagine to know. Does one stop learning once they have left Uni? Is one not entitled to learn about their job and develop new skills as they go along. And you had better be bloody careful about allegations of pot smoking if it isn’t true.
What an arrogant attitude.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Paul, you waste of oxygen, if National has to borrow to pay for tax cuts, its only because that poisonous little fucker Cullen has spent the surplus on choo-choos and Kyoto liabilities. Hurry up and fuck off back to Canada.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
Roger don’t bother, it’s the old double standard rule of political discourse operating here.
Bloody liberal arts graduates, oh yeah but our liberal arts graduate is an exception.
Pathetic.
Vote:May 12th, 2008 at 11:58 pm
“She?” Is Nandor a woman? Dickhead.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Bug
is that it, is that the sum of your attempt at political argument, it’s a joke.
Abuse and lie, it’s all done with mirrors on the right isn’t it.
Key himself has said that would more than likely have to borrow to fund tax cuts. Mind you this is the same guy who described interest free student loans as morally reprehensible, yet has adopted the very same policy – is that a moral backbone i see melting away into the gutter.
If national has to borrow, his words sunshine not mine.
Still somewhere in that splurge of abuse is possibly a political opinion, just not sure where. Go on big balls lets see it, instead the size of your abusive vocabulary.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Introducing your Green candidates:
“In the early 90s we occupied Michael Fay’s front lawn in Auckland. We swam in his pool to show the contradiction of National cutting benefits while throwing money at the America’s Cup.”
I wonder if Ruth Dyson has a pool?
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Keep the abuse up bug, I can see your bravado increasing in size from here – does it really make you feel good, are the endorphins rushing about now, ah the cheap thrill of abuse over the blogosphere – still if that get’s you going.
I was of course referring to Shipley and Turei.
Seemingly on the right it’s a sin to be of the liberal arts educational background, until it is of course applies to past glorious liberal arts educated right wing Prime Ministers. It’s also a sin to be a (lesbian – feminist somehow by proxy???) female PM, whops unless that is you are talking about a past right wing female PM.
Double standards is the way to operate if you are a kiwiblogger of the right.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Introducing your National candidates
“I wear a grey suit, I have a comb over, I sing old time songs, I used to add numbers together”
orrrr the excitement and adrenalin of the rise of the bean counters in government.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 12:16 am
oh yeah, the old labour good, national bad argument coupled with putting words in others’ mouths. you’re an intellectual giant.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Bugger:
“you’re an intellectual giant.”
Nah, think Shipley. Now there was an intellectual giant
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 12:30 am
More so than Clark or Cullen, that’s for sure. And more rational and fair-minded.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 6:28 am
bwakile said:“Kevin Hague who has a long history of advocating for cyclists” If that is regarded as a suitable criteria to elect one of the 120 people to govern this country then God help us.
Some of you really will grasp at straws! Kevin Hague also happens to currently be Chief Executive of a District Health Board (and one without financal scandal, at that), which I suspect is a greater achievement than you will ever make.
Anyway, Gerry Brownlee – woodwork teacher! I’m not putting him down for it, just making the point that you don’t have to have had some high-flying job to be an effective politician.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Meet Greens candidate, “Gareth Hughes. He’s 26 years old and 11th on the party list, He lists his qualifications as been involved with the Young Greens, is an environmental activist, has climbed tall buildings and unfurled a flag in Teanamin Square.”
I think every woodwork teacher would have a few more clues.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Actuall Ari, they haven’t made any progress in closing the gap with the rest of the OECD. Last year we were passed by…Greece. Yes, GREECE.
So what the fuck is wrong with Greece?
Great posts, Paul.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 7:34 am
Jenny Shipley is a hugely successful and well respected company director these days, wonder what the current cabinet will be doing this time next year?
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 7:57 am
The point in my previous post was to emphasize the singular background of the entire lineup. None of them have any experience in the management or creation of productive enterprise. Those of us who do, know that it takes years of practical experience before you truly understand how to build and manage organisations that work well. Many mistakes are made along the way.
When you’re in a job that involves designing the environment in which those organisations must operate, it’s vital to either have that experience yourself, or to draw it from others around you who have it. If you don’t have access to that experience then you risk becoming beholden to bureaucrats and political advisors who say things you want to hear, giving you the entirely mistaken impression that your wildest schemes are actually practical and workable.
We have seen this phenomena in action with the current govt’s management of the policy framework associated with AGW, starting with the denial of carbon credits to forestry owners which had the entirely forseeable consequence of conversion of land to dairy and running all the way through up to the latest debacle of the ETS, which is revealing again entirely forseeable consequences.
A particular Green example is the naive food labelling regime which won’t change consumer behaviour one iota but which costs businesses plenty and who pays for that? Let’s not even mention the Greens’ extremist ETS views.
I’m afraid that when you enter Parliament, you need more qualifications than mere good intentions. It’s an immense privilage and responsibility, but unfortunately some of the people there, including all of the Greens, seem to disregard those two aspects but rather appear to view it solely as an opportunity to impose their unworkable world view on others, and damn the consequences, which unfortunately, the rest of us have to live with.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 8:04 am
“ wonder what the current cabinet will be doing this time next year?”
Vote:Judging by the party conference it certainly wont be NZ Pop idol
May 13th, 2008 at 8:59 am
reid said: None of them have any experience in the management or creation of productive enterprise.
Jeanette Fitzsimons and her husband Harry have owned and managed a farm for the last 15 years.
Sue Bradford established and for almost 10 years chaired the Auckland Region Employment Resource Centre which provided the training, mentoring and business support services that helped hundreds of small businesses to establish themselves in Auckland in the 1990s.
Metiria Turei worked for several years as a corporate lawyer with law firm Simpson Grierson.
Keith Locke established the bookshop One World Books and managed it for over six years until he entered Parliament.
Kevin Hague is a former Chair of the Oneroa Business Association and is currently Chief Executive of the West Coast District Health Board.
David Clendon is currently an advisor with the Sustainable Business Network.
Steffan Browning has for 17 years been a successful organic horticulturalist employing up to 10 workers and operating NZ’s largest organic heated glasshouse.
No experience in management or creation of productive enterprise, eh reid? Don’t let the facts get in the way of the rhetoric!
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Guess everyone is all bagged out.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
James W- if you’d read more carefully, I acknowledged they’d done little to advance us in the OECD. I also said that I don’t really view getting New Zealand a bigger share of the economic growth pie as important- sustaining our excellent level of employment and lifestyle is far more of a priority, to me, and that doesn’t actually require unlimited material economic growth.
DPF- just a note, I linked this post recently in case you’re not getting pingbacks.
Vote:May 13th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
stephen said: Guess everyone is all bagged out.
Nah, just they’ve all been stonkered by my post that verifies that most of the top 12 on the Green list actually do have significant business experience. Suddenly, all the Nat/ACT pontificators that bag the Greens and arrogantly claim they alone know everything about business stopped posting. Do they now they acknowledge there are Greens with significant business credentials? Gotta assume so!
Wonder why the silence, guys? Run out of arguments?
Vote:May 14th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
yeah i was just having a dig at them. Managed to get a negative tho! I think Clendon’s experience is a bit of a stretch though.
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