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	<title>Comments on: Trevor joins the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy</title>
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		<title>By: emmess</title>
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		<dc:creator>emmess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 23:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;One of the best illustrations of the superficiality of US reporting on politics is that even after all the fuss about the Reverend Wright

Nothing to see here 
Move along</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;One of the best illustrations of the superficiality of US reporting on politics is that even after all the fuss about the Reverend Wright</p>
<p>Nothing to see here<br />
Move along</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 22:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So does his father Grant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So does his father Grant.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant Michael McKenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant Michael McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best illustrations of the superficiality of US reporting on politics is that even after all the fuss about the Reverend Wright, a substantial group of voters still think that Obama is a Muslim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best illustrations of the superficiality of US reporting on politics is that even after all the fuss about the Reverend Wright, a substantial group of voters still think that Obama is a Muslim.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/trevor_joins_the_vast_right_wing_conspiracy.html#comment-450186</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most kids also crapped in their nappies at some stage.

Adults have grown out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most kids also crapped in their nappies at some stage.</p>
<p>Adults have grown out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friedman: &lt;blockquote&gt; &quot;By putting these pieces of the puzzle together, I&#039;m beginning to see something much bigger.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Haha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friedman:<br />
<blockquote> &#8220;By putting these pieces of the puzzle together, I&#8217;m beginning to see something much bigger.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Haha!</p>
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		<title>By: goodgod</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/trevor_joins_the_vast_right_wing_conspiracy.html#comment-450160</link>
		<dc:creator>goodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only kind of commie in NZ politics is one who &quot;was once a communist&quot;.

Most kids have communist leanings at some point.  Maybe the communists stole their ideas from the imaginary idealistic world of childhood.

But it takes a special kind of mind to go the extra step and actually become a communist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only kind of commie in NZ politics is one who &#8220;was once a communist&#8221;.</p>
<p>Most kids have communist leanings at some point.  Maybe the communists stole their ideas from the imaginary idealistic world of childhood.</p>
<p>But it takes a special kind of mind to go the extra step and actually become a communist.</p>
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		<title>By: NeilM</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeilM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My concerns about Obama is:
1. He’ll withdraw the troops from Iraq and put in jeopardy what the 4000 + US solider have died for.
2. He’s anti-free trade.
3. He’s pro-big government.
4. He’s a bit of a snob.&quot;

1. I don&#039;t really think any of the candidates know what they will do if they get to the White house. Both Obama and Clinton emphasise bringing the troops home ASAP but they haven&#039;t written anything in stone. What ASAP actually turns out to be will I think be influenced by advice from many quarters. But their best campaign option at present is to emphasise the ASPAP and fudge on the details. I don&#039;t believe any of them will pull out precipitously.

2. Sort of. He likes to keep his options open. He makes anti-free trade speeches when he has to - when going for the working class vote but if you read carefully what he says he&#039;s leaving himself plenty of room for manouver. It&#039;s part of his campaign strategy to appear protectionist since Bill Clinton signed NAFTA so it&#039;s a stick he can beat Hillary with - there&#039;s a bit of political posturing going on.

3. I wouldn&#039;t have thought so.

4. Hard to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My concerns about Obama is:<br />
1. He’ll withdraw the troops from Iraq and put in jeopardy what the 4000 + US solider have died for.<br />
2. He’s anti-free trade.<br />
3. He’s pro-big government.<br />
4. He’s a bit of a snob.&#8221;</p>
<p>1. I don&#8217;t really think any of the candidates know what they will do if they get to the White house. Both Obama and Clinton emphasise bringing the troops home ASAP but they haven&#8217;t written anything in stone. What ASAP actually turns out to be will I think be influenced by advice from many quarters. But their best campaign option at present is to emphasise the ASPAP and fudge on the details. I don&#8217;t believe any of them will pull out precipitously.</p>
<p>2. Sort of. He likes to keep his options open. He makes anti-free trade speeches when he has to &#8211; when going for the working class vote but if you read carefully what he says he&#8217;s leaving himself plenty of room for manouver. It&#8217;s part of his campaign strategy to appear protectionist since Bill Clinton signed NAFTA so it&#8217;s a stick he can beat Hillary with &#8211; there&#8217;s a bit of political posturing going on.</p>
<p>3. I wouldn&#8217;t have thought so.</p>
<p>4. Hard to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>goodgod you funny funny wee man.

ALL the Greens are communist party &quot;former&quot; members. Why do you think we call them the watermellon party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>goodgod you funny funny wee man.</p>
<p>ALL the Greens are communist party &#8220;former&#8221; members. Why do you think we call them the watermellon party?</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell Hillary I&#039;m not typing one word till her cheque clears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell Hillary I&#8217;m not typing one word till her cheque clears.</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was?</p>
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		<title>By: goodgod</title>
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		<dc:creator>goodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 18:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue Bradford was a communist once too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue Bradford was a communist once too.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 12:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At risk of repeating myself too much I would like to point out that Obama is the most liberal senator around. Even John Edwards ranked at 95.0 in the liberal ratings, while Obama was at 95.8. In addition, Obama supports infanticide, which would go a long way to explaning why he is somewhere far out on the extreme left wing.

If he gets the nomination I think he should be well and truely exposed for his extreme beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At risk of repeating myself too much I would like to point out that Obama is the most liberal senator around. Even John Edwards ranked at 95.0 in the liberal ratings, while Obama was at 95.8. In addition, Obama supports infanticide, which would go a long way to explaning why he is somewhere far out on the extreme left wing.</p>
<p>If he gets the nomination I think he should be well and truely exposed for his extreme beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Franks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Franks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey DPF, it is not so long since calling someone a Communist, even in their youth, could have launched a profitable law suit (lowered me in the eyes of right-thinking people). I&#039;m tempted to let the myth run in case it makes me seem more mysteriously interesting than I deserve, but Communism, even then, was too much to swallow. 
My first cell mate in Weir House was a PYM member. Trevor Loudon would be able to identify plenty of fellow travellers among my friends. I worked one day a week as a truck driver and seagulled (casual labourer) regularly on the wharf, but despite these credentials I doubt I&#039;d have been allowed in the CP even if I&#039;d wanted to join. I had too many suspect (normal frivolous) friends, and bourgeois pleasures like skiing and sailing.
When I went off to China to try to live on a commune, I think both Jenny and I saw it as a lark, a unique alternative to the more common kibbutz experience friends were trying, than a political apprenticeship. It turned out to be a shattering disillusionment.

[DPF: Heh how about wannabee communist then :-)]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey DPF, it is not so long since calling someone a Communist, even in their youth, could have launched a profitable law suit (lowered me in the eyes of right-thinking people). I&#8217;m tempted to let the myth run in case it makes me seem more mysteriously interesting than I deserve, but Communism, even then, was too much to swallow.<br />
My first cell mate in Weir House was a PYM member. Trevor Loudon would be able to identify plenty of fellow travellers among my friends. I worked one day a week as a truck driver and seagulled (casual labourer) regularly on the wharf, but despite these credentials I doubt I&#8217;d have been allowed in the CP even if I&#8217;d wanted to join. I had too many suspect (normal frivolous) friends, and bourgeois pleasures like skiing and sailing.<br />
When I went off to China to try to live on a commune, I think both Jenny and I saw it as a lark, a unique alternative to the more common kibbutz experience friends were trying, than a political apprenticeship. It turned out to be a shattering disillusionment.</p>
<p>[DPF: Heh how about wannabee communist then <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ]</p>
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		<title>By: NX</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/trevor_joins_the_vast_right_wing_conspiracy.html#comment-450110</link>
		<dc:creator>NX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 10:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really want to like Obama - for what he represents &amp; the barriers that he breaks down. 

BUT.... his policies!  One minute he&#039;s talking about pulling the troops out of Iraq, no ifs, buts or maybes.  Then the next minute he&#039;s talking about launching a preemptive attach against Iran and/or whoever if intelligence indicates a substantial threat.  HELLO!  

My concerns about Obama is:
1.  He&#039;ll withdraw the troops from Iraq and put in jeopardy what the 4000 + US solider have died for.  
2.  He&#039;s anti-free trade.
3.  He&#039;s pro-big government.  
4.  He&#039;s a bit of a snob.

But his stance of healthcare, &amp; race relations are moderate &amp; his management skills are impressive.  He&#039;s also sensible about the types of jobs Americans will have in the future.  I think he&#039;ll be great at restoring Americans tarnished international image.  

Just a shame he&#039;s not a liberal conservative.

Oh .. one last thing.  He would go a long way to winning over moderates like me if he selects Michael Bloomberg as his running mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want to like Obama &#8211; for what he represents &amp; the barriers that he breaks down. </p>
<p>BUT&#8230;. his policies!  One minute he&#8217;s talking about pulling the troops out of Iraq, no ifs, buts or maybes.  Then the next minute he&#8217;s talking about launching a preemptive attach against Iran and/or whoever if intelligence indicates a substantial threat.  HELLO!  </p>
<p>My concerns about Obama is:<br />
1.  He&#8217;ll withdraw the troops from Iraq and put in jeopardy what the 4000 + US solider have died for.<br />
2.  He&#8217;s anti-free trade.<br />
3.  He&#8217;s pro-big government.<br />
4.  He&#8217;s a bit of a snob.</p>
<p>But his stance of healthcare, &amp; race relations are moderate &amp; his management skills are impressive.  He&#8217;s also sensible about the types of jobs Americans will have in the future.  I think he&#8217;ll be great at restoring Americans tarnished international image.  </p>
<p>Just a shame he&#8217;s not a liberal conservative.</p>
<p>Oh .. one last thing.  He would go a long way to winning over moderates like me if he selects Michael Bloomberg as his running mate.</p>
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		<title>By: louie</title>
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		<dc:creator>louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 09:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>curious about the Washington Post article talking about Clinton&#039;s exit - given the gushing over Obama the writer is doing I guess that is wishful thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>curious about the Washington Post article talking about Clinton&#8217;s exit &#8211; given the gushing over Obama the writer is doing I guess that is wishful thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: southtop</title>
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		<dc:creator>southtop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 09:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;people become more conservative once they have something to conserve&quot; not sure what this says about obama, sonic, gww, goff etc. I was once keen on the values party until saw &amp; (more importantly) heard the calibre of the others attracted; made a quick exit. 
Hmmmm was the use of the term &#039;calibre&#039; a slip?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;people become more conservative once they have something to conserve&#8221; not sure what this says about obama, sonic, gww, goff etc. I was once keen on the values party until saw &amp; (more importantly) heard the calibre of the others attracted; made a quick exit.<br />
Hmmmm was the use of the term &#8216;calibre&#8217; a slip?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 08:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penn Jillette (who apparently considers himself a comedian... I always thought he was a cheesy and very unfunny &quot;magician&quot;) commented on a US network that Barack Obama did well in February because it was Black History Month and Hillary Clinton did well in March because it was &quot;White Bitch Month&quot;.

Then there&#039;s the pic I saw (Photoshopped I guess) of the KFC store with the &quot;Hillary Special - fat thighs, no breasts and a left wing&quot;.

If &quot;socialist Muslim&quot; is the worst Obama gets called this campaign, he&#039;s doing well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penn Jillette (who apparently considers himself a comedian&#8230; I always thought he was a cheesy and very unfunny &#8220;magician&#8221;) commented on a US network that Barack Obama did well in February because it was Black History Month and Hillary Clinton did well in March because it was &#8220;White Bitch Month&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the pic I saw (Photoshopped I guess) of the KFC store with the &#8220;Hillary Special &#8211; fat thighs, no breasts and a left wing&#8221;.</p>
<p>If &#8220;socialist Muslim&#8221; is the worst Obama gets called this campaign, he&#8217;s doing well.</p>
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		<title>By: Sushi Goblin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sushi Goblin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 07:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goff has a lot to answer for his silly indiscretions of youth, but I would also point out he lost a nephew in Afghanistan, which might suggest he&#039;s genuine about the respect he has for soldiers today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goff has a lot to answer for his silly indiscretions of youth, but I would also point out he lost a nephew in Afghanistan, which might suggest he&#8217;s genuine about the respect he has for soldiers today.</p>
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		<title>By: Whaleoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whaleoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 07:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Yeti you are wrong about Goff.

he was a member of he Maoist group Progressive Youth Movement and was one of the flingers of re paint and spitters on soldiers in May 1971 when 161 Bty RNZA marched down Queen St after returning from Vietnam.  He also set fire to prams and pushed then into the marching soldiers in order to disrupt proceedings.

Phil Goff is also the cretin that flew the North Vietnamese flag on top of the Cenotaph in Auckland in 1975 upon the fall of Saigon to Communist forces.

It is extremely ironic that both him and Clark, both in attendance at that protest against veterans are part of the government that will apologise to the veterans for the treatment they received upon returning from Vietnam. It is also extremely ironic that a Maoist so-called peacenik who lit prams, threw red paint and spat on soldiers is now the Defence Minister.

Actually it is sickening rather than ironic, but I am sure now that Sonic and the other apologists of communist dictatorships will jump in here and tell me how wrong I am about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Yeti you are wrong about Goff.</p>
<p>he was a member of he Maoist group Progressive Youth Movement and was one of the flingers of re paint and spitters on soldiers in May 1971 when 161 Bty RNZA marched down Queen St after returning from Vietnam.  He also set fire to prams and pushed then into the marching soldiers in order to disrupt proceedings.</p>
<p>Phil Goff is also the cretin that flew the North Vietnamese flag on top of the Cenotaph in Auckland in 1975 upon the fall of Saigon to Communist forces.</p>
<p>It is extremely ironic that both him and Clark, both in attendance at that protest against veterans are part of the government that will apologise to the veterans for the treatment they received upon returning from Vietnam. It is also extremely ironic that a Maoist so-called peacenik who lit prams, threw red paint and spat on soldiers is now the Defence Minister.</p>
<p>Actually it is sickening rather than ironic, but I am sure now that Sonic and the other apologists of communist dictatorships will jump in here and tell me how wrong I am about them.</p>
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		<title>By: NeilM</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeilM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 06:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you missed out one of the best bits David - 

&quot;But the star of the show was the ancient Herbert Romerstein, who once plied his trade for the House Un-American Activities committee in the 1950s. &quot;We decided to start going back and seeing what things influenced him even before he was born,&quot; Romerstein announced without a trace of irony, before tying Obama to the Communist Party of the 1930s in Hawaii and Soviet spies on the island. &quot;This is the atmosphere that young Barack Obama grew up in.&quot;&quot;

Not quite as sublte as what&#039;s been happening to Hillary lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you missed out one of the best bits David &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;But the star of the show was the ancient Herbert Romerstein, who once plied his trade for the House Un-American Activities committee in the 1950s. &#8220;We decided to start going back and seeing what things influenced him even before he was born,&#8221; Romerstein announced without a trace of irony, before tying Obama to the Communist Party of the 1930s in Hawaii and Soviet spies on the island. &#8220;This is the atmosphere that young Barack Obama grew up in.&#8221;"</p>
<p>Not quite as sublte as what&#8217;s been happening to Hillary lately.</p>
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