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		<title>By: getoit</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-501196</link>
		<dc:creator>getoit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who dont know the GG is a kiwi born and bread not an Indian</description>
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		<title>By: virtualmark</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-450295</link>
		<dc:creator>virtualmark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 01:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Strutta about the $47m renovation of Government House.  Surely at that price it would be cheaper to run a bulldozer through the current Government House (an eyesore, so no great loss) and then rebuild from scratch???  Wellington has only a handful of houses worth more than $4.7m (a tenth of the renovation costs) and those valuations are probably mainly propped up by the land values rather than the building value.  

So how the f($k do you spend $47m on renovating even a large house???  Who signs off on these decisions???

DPF ... that $47m figure needs a lot of further investigation.  Seems like plenty of ammunition for an Opposition looking to point to profligate public spending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Strutta about the $47m renovation of Government House.  Surely at that price it would be cheaper to run a bulldozer through the current Government House (an eyesore, so no great loss) and then rebuild from scratch???  Wellington has only a handful of houses worth more than $4.7m (a tenth of the renovation costs) and those valuations are probably mainly propped up by the land values rather than the building value.  </p>
<p>So how the f($k do you spend $47m on renovating even a large house???  Who signs off on these decisions???</p>
<p>DPF &#8230; that $47m figure needs a lot of further investigation.  Seems like plenty of ammunition for an Opposition looking to point to profligate public spending.</p>
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		<title>By: poneke</title>
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		<dc:creator>poneke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 22:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Rob Muldoon drove himself to the Beehive each day in his Ministerial issue self drive car.&lt;/i&gt;

And home again afterwards, which was rather dangerous given the volume of drinking in Parliament in those days. On the night he announced the Schnapps Election, kindly Don McKinnon snuck down to the Beehive carpark and let the air out of all four of Muldoon&#039;s tyres, to ensure the roads were safe that night.

&lt;i&gt;Nowadays, of course, the incumbent would whoosh down the emergency lane with a police escort - unaware, naturally, of her speed or our plight.&lt;/i&gt;

What do you mean, your plight? Don&#039;t you live in Perth?

In any event, our politicians are not driven around with police escorts. The one time this happened, the outcome was such that it made it highly unlikely ever to be repeated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Rob Muldoon drove himself to the Beehive each day in his Ministerial issue self drive car.</i></p>
<p>And home again afterwards, which was rather dangerous given the volume of drinking in Parliament in those days. On the night he announced the Schnapps Election, kindly Don McKinnon snuck down to the Beehive carpark and let the air out of all four of Muldoon&#8217;s tyres, to ensure the roads were safe that night.</p>
<p><i>Nowadays, of course, the incumbent would whoosh down the emergency lane with a police escort &#8211; unaware, naturally, of her speed or our plight.</i></p>
<p>What do you mean, your plight? Don&#8217;t you live in Perth?</p>
<p>In any event, our politicians are not driven around with police escorts. The one time this happened, the outcome was such that it made it highly unlikely ever to be repeated.</p>
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		<title>By: pushmepullu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-450113</link>
		<dc:creator>pushmepullu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 10:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monty, Anderton is an electorate MP and thus cannot name a successor - if he were to resign there would be a by-election in his electorate.  My guess is that it would be won by the Labour candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monty, Anderton is an electorate MP and thus cannot name a successor &#8211; if he were to resign there would be a by-election in his electorate.  My guess is that it would be won by the Labour candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: peterwn</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-450112</link>
		<dc:creator>peterwn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 10:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Nobody

There was a time when the PM walked to work from 41 Pipitea Street, had haircuts at a Molesworth Street hairdresser (Maggies or predecessor?), and his 41 Pipitea St phone number was in the phone book.  Mat Rata took it over in 1972 and AFAIK it was subsequently used for offices.</description>
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<p>There was a time when the PM walked to work from 41 Pipitea Street, had haircuts at a Molesworth Street hairdresser (Maggies or predecessor?), and his 41 Pipitea St phone number was in the phone book.  Mat Rata took it over in 1972 and AFAIK it was subsequently used for offices.</p>
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		<title>By: 3-coil</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-450103</link>
		<dc:creator>3-coil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 09:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>big bruv - aaah Windy Wellington: home of Peter Jackson, &quot;Wellybobs&quot;, home of the (ahem) Hurricanes, the Caketin...um...did I mention Peter Jackson?

Tell us all what a cool place it is nowadays!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big bruv &#8211; aaah Windy Wellington: home of Peter Jackson, &#8220;Wellybobs&#8221;, home of the (ahem) Hurricanes, the Caketin&#8230;um&#8230;did I mention Peter Jackson?</p>
<p>Tell us all what a cool place it is nowadays!</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
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		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 09:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael

&quot;I’m concerned that this thread has turned into a let’s bash Lower Hutt.&quot;

Whats wrong with that? ...bashing the Hutt Valley is about the best thing the place has going for it, the sooner Wellington gets full independence from Upper and Lower bogan the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m concerned that this thread has turned into a let’s bash Lower Hutt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whats wrong with that? &#8230;bashing the Hutt Valley is about the best thing the place has going for it, the sooner Wellington gets full independence from Upper and Lower bogan the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 08:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m concerned that this thread has turned into a let&#039;s bash Lower Hutt.  

Perhaps you could all compare Lower Hutt&#039;s rate rises with your own - over the past four years we&#039;ve gone up at less than the rate of inflation without jacking up lots of debt.  And unlike Wellington, you can bike and walk everywhere because its flat.  And it&#039;s warmer, has better recreation facilities, more parks, more bush reserves, the best public transport in NZ. (I could go on for hours)

Although I can&#039;t deny that SH2 from Ngauranga to Upper Hutt needs major upgrading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m concerned that this thread has turned into a let&#8217;s bash Lower Hutt.  </p>
<p>Perhaps you could all compare Lower Hutt&#8217;s rate rises with your own &#8211; over the past four years we&#8217;ve gone up at less than the rate of inflation without jacking up lots of debt.  And unlike Wellington, you can bike and walk everywhere because its flat.  And it&#8217;s warmer, has better recreation facilities, more parks, more bush reserves, the best public transport in NZ. (I could go on for hours)</p>
<p>Although I can&#8217;t deny that SH2 from Ngauranga to Upper Hutt needs major upgrading!</p>
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		<title>By: big bruv</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-450044</link>
		<dc:creator>big bruv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 08:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it looks like we have had a procession of these wankers who decided that the houses WE provide for them are not to their liking.
No doubt they found somewhere else more to their taste and we paid for that bloody residence to be re decorated etc...

Its about time the bastards were told &quot;this is your place and you will like it or find something yourself at your OWN cost&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it looks like we have had a procession of these wankers who decided that the houses WE provide for them are not to their liking.<br />
No doubt they found somewhere else more to their taste and we paid for that bloody residence to be re decorated etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Its about time the bastards were told &#8220;this is your place and you will like it or find something yourself at your OWN cost&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-450036</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 08:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poneke says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Premier House had been the official PM’s house until Savage, who didn’t want to live there, so it was turned into a dental clinic&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So when politicians moved back in it went from giving people pricks to housing them? :-D

It &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a lovely house, far nicer than Premier House, which always seemed to me like the setting for a Stephen King horror film. As for PMs driving themselves, I recall sitting in the traffic on the Hutt &quot;motorway&quot; fuming at poor planning and Wellington&#039;s laughable roads when I glanced over and saw a bloke with an equally infuriated expression. It was Lange. Knowing that the high and mighty had to put up with it somehow made it easier to bear. Nowadays, of course, the incumbent would whoosh down the emergency lane with a police escort - unaware, naturally, of her speed or our plight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poneke says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Premier House had been the official PM’s house until Savage, who didn’t want to live there, so it was turned into a dental clinic</p></blockquote>
<p>So when politicians moved back in it went from giving people pricks to housing them? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It <i>is</i> a lovely house, far nicer than Premier House, which always seemed to me like the setting for a Stephen King horror film. As for PMs driving themselves, I recall sitting in the traffic on the Hutt &#8220;motorway&#8221; fuming at poor planning and Wellington&#8217;s laughable roads when I glanced over and saw a bloke with an equally infuriated expression. It was Lange. Knowing that the high and mighty had to put up with it somehow made it easier to bear. Nowadays, of course, the incumbent would whoosh down the emergency lane with a police escort &#8211; unaware, naturally, of her speed or our plight.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Nobody NZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-450031</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Nobody NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 07:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peterwn Said:
&quot;Rob Muldoon drove himself to the Beehive each day in his Ministerial issue self drive car. IMO a PM should NEVER do this, a prang regardless of fault would cause no end of trouble.&quot;

Looking at this with Modern Eyes I tend to agree with you however you must remember the time and how innocently naive we as a country were.  Personally I have very fond memories of Dave Lange doing exactly the same thing (driving his own vehicle) around Mangere along dropping off my Father at home after work, going to skating lessons with his kids at a public skating rink, and him even having him join us once or twice to have fish and chips.

I don&#039;t know if the Diplomatic Protection Squad were sitting outside somewhere (I doubt it) but either way I doubt these sort of ordinary and mundane events would ever be allowed to happen these days regardless of the actual person in that position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peterwn Said:<br />
&#8220;Rob Muldoon drove himself to the Beehive each day in his Ministerial issue self drive car. IMO a PM should NEVER do this, a prang regardless of fault would cause no end of trouble.&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking at this with Modern Eyes I tend to agree with you however you must remember the time and how innocently naive we as a country were.  Personally I have very fond memories of Dave Lange doing exactly the same thing (driving his own vehicle) around Mangere along dropping off my Father at home after work, going to skating lessons with his kids at a public skating rink, and him even having him join us once or twice to have fish and chips.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the Diplomatic Protection Squad were sitting outside somewhere (I doubt it) but either way I doubt these sort of ordinary and mundane events would ever be allowed to happen these days regardless of the actual person in that position.</p>
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		<title>By: Oswald Bastable</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-450025</link>
		<dc:creator>Oswald Bastable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 07:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a charming historic property on the top of Mt Crawford that has room for the lot of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a charming historic property on the top of Mt Crawford that has room for the lot of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-450012</link>
		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 07:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no matter what it is still in Lower Hutt.  I feel sorry for any poor prick who lives in that suburban shithole.  The GG who is a good guy does not deserve being kicked to Hutt Valley.

Is it true that very close to the election Andterton is going to retire (as he cannot stomach oposition) and he will instead try to annoint that Commie Robson as his successor?

That is why he does not mind giving up the house in shitty Lower Hutt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no matter what it is still in Lower Hutt.  I feel sorry for any poor prick who lives in that suburban shithole.  The GG who is a good guy does not deserve being kicked to Hutt Valley.</p>
<p>Is it true that very close to the election Andterton is going to retire (as he cannot stomach oposition) and he will instead try to annoint that Commie Robson as his successor?</p>
<p>That is why he does not mind giving up the house in shitty Lower Hutt?</p>
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		<title>By: peterwn</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-449991</link>
		<dc:creator>peterwn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 06:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob Muldoon drove himself to the Beehive each day in his Ministerial issue self drive car.  IMO a PM should NEVER do this, a prang regardless of fault would cause no end of trouble.  This is precisely why there are chauffeur driven Ministerial cars as Helen explained to her ministers after Ruth Dyson got pinged for drink drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob Muldoon drove himself to the Beehive each day in his Ministerial issue self drive car.  IMO a PM should NEVER do this, a prang regardless of fault would cause no end of trouble.  This is precisely why there are chauffeur driven Ministerial cars as Helen explained to her ministers after Ruth Dyson got pinged for drink drive.</p>
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		<title>By: JSF2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSF2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brothels cost money,heathcote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brothels cost money,heathcote</p>
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		<title>By: heathcote</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-449980</link>
		<dc:creator>heathcote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$47 million??  This has to be a joke,  doesn&#039;t it? (Quickly checks date, no it&#039;s not April 1st).

I heard it on radio this morning,  but I thought they said $4-7 million.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$47 million??  This has to be a joke,  doesn&#8217;t it? (Quickly checks date, no it&#8217;s not April 1st).</p>
<p>I heard it on radio this morning,  but I thought they said $4-7 million&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: JSF2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSF2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It could become a upmarket brothel filled with  whores as being a slut is a career option under helen davis nee clark, govt ,(THERE ARE LOTS OF EMPTY ROOMS) go helen its the govt house fill it with people who most people relate the govt to?.:)  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could become a upmarket brothel filled with  whores as being a slut is a career option under helen davis nee clark, govt ,(THERE ARE LOTS OF EMPTY ROOMS) go helen its the govt house fill it with people who most people relate the govt to?.:)  <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-449972</link>
		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another shocking example of the extreme socialists squandering MY money on their delusions of grandeur and the Baubles of Office. Scandalous. What real value is there in renovating &quot;our heritage&quot; anyway? It should be sold immediately and the funds put towards a tax cut. Vogel House too. 

In fact, while we&#039;re at it why don&#039;t we hock off the Parliament buildings for private development as well, and move the House and the ministerial offices and all the government departments out to the old Todd park complex in Porirua? Imagine the tax cuts that would pay for!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another shocking example of the extreme socialists squandering MY money on their delusions of grandeur and the Baubles of Office. Scandalous. What real value is there in renovating &#8220;our heritage&#8221; anyway? It should be sold immediately and the funds put towards a tax cut. Vogel House too. </p>
<p>In fact, while we&#8217;re at it why don&#8217;t we hock off the Parliament buildings for private development as well, and move the House and the ministerial offices and all the government departments out to the old Todd park complex in Porirua? Imagine the tax cuts that would pay for!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/05/vogel_house.html#comment-449970</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Julius Vogel sure sounds like a fully paid up member of the screeching sisterhood! (and a Maori appleaser to boot!)

On a more serious note, does any one have a picture of Vogel House, it sounds quite nice but I cant seem to find anything on line?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Julius Vogel sure sounds like a fully paid up member of the screeching sisterhood! (and a Maori appleaser to boot!)</p>
<p>On a more serious note, does any one have a picture of Vogel House, it sounds quite nice but I cant seem to find anything on line?</p>
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		<title>By: Strutta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Strutta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For that kind of money wouldn&#039;t it be better to tear it down and build something a bit more modern and up to date? And don&#039;t go on about how it is &#039;historical&#039;. If it&#039;s in such bad shape that it needs $47 mill to make it right, it is a dump and should be eliminated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For that kind of money wouldn&#8217;t it be better to tear it down and build something a bit more modern and up to date? And don&#8217;t go on about how it is &#8216;historical&#8217;. If it&#8217;s in such bad shape that it needs $47 mill to make it right, it is a dump and should be eliminated.</p>
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