Fran on National’s business vision

June 21st, 2008 at 1:03 pm by David Farrar

Fran describes the vision John Key and are spreading to business audiences:

Picture a New Zealand where profit is not a dirty word and where those who make it are not called “rich pricks”.

Picture a New Zealand deeply focused on international competitiveness, where risk-taking is again exciting, where young people are enticed to stay and with a greater discipline on government spending so the private sector can play a bigger role in the country’s fortunes.

Picture a New Zealand where rolling tax cuts, possibly even indexed to inflation, become the norm just like in Australia.

Sounds a good start!

English met visiting Australian Finance Minister Lindsay Tanner and Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese at last weekend’s Australia New Zealand Leadership Forum. He reckons the programme the new Australian Labor Government has up its sleeve would be regarded as extremist in New Zealand.

The fact that Australia’s Labor is pursuing big public/private sector partnerships and kept the increase in government spending to a mere 1 per cent in its debut Budget shows how out of step New Zealand’s Labour-led Government has become with international norms, leading New Zealand into a cul de sac, he says.

People have no idea how true this is. Not all left wing Governments are like this one.

Within Australian senior circles, the NZ Treasury is seen as something of a wallflower – a department that is publicly whipped into submission by Cullen whenever it has promoted obvious economic boosters like personal tax cuts.

Sadly a fair degree of truth in this.

Consider the Peters factor. English is crystal clear that the monetary policy targets agreement between the Government and the Reserve Bank should not be altered again if wins the election (Peters wants changes). He’s also indicated will not buy into Labour’s “what Winston wants Winston gets” approach.

Taking English’s messages at face value, it seems National retains considerable hostility to Peters.

Would Labour’s Helen Clark be prepared to concede the prime ministership to him?

This refers to Winston on Agenda giving the example of George Forbes in 1932 becoming PM even through his party was not the largest one making the Government. Winnie sure doesn’t lack ambition.

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24 Responses to “Fran on National’s business vision”

  1. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i called it by asking w.t.f. o’sullivan had been smoking..

    http://whoar.co.nz/2008/would-labours-helen-clark-be-prepared-to-concede-the-prime-ministership-to-himpeters/

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  2. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    Facinating to see Labours diehard supporters foam about the filthy right wing politics advanaced by National (to say nothing of ACT), when pretty much everything proposed by them is at, or left of, policies of other socialist governments. Oh how our electoral frog has been boiled slowly.

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  3. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Its not Peters lack of desire for baubles – which is evidently being maistaken for “ambition” – that is his problem. As a natural born leader its his lacking a horde of natural born followers thats going to keep him out of our Parliament.

    phool extreme irony day was last week if YOU are going to be asking who has smoked what you’ve picked the wrong day.

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  4. ghostwhowalks3 (387 comments) says:

    The rich prick tag is not because slippery has umpteen houses but because his slur about Helens lack of children.
    But it certainly opened doors very very quickly for him in national. They couldnt wait to kiss his hem and hope some of the gold would rub off

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  5. big bruv (13,317 comments) says:

    Ghost

    And of course you can provide proof of this “slur”…

    Of course there are those of us who will think that again you are talking shit, perhaps Key made a statement of fact but I am not sure how anybody (apart from a Labour fuckwit) could describe it as a “slur”

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  6. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Winnie for PM! Yeah …… ok. Has it really come to this? What a glorious epitaph that would be to Helen’s Career, given that she likened Winnie to Jean-Marie Le Pen in a BBC interview this year!
    Except:
    I think that Winnie is past his sell by date and he knows it. So he has a policy of ‘speaking the unspeakable’ in the hope that it will win enough votes from the older constituency who admire Winston because ‘at least he tells the truth’, when in fact what he tells is bullshit designed to make him look like a loveable maverick. He isn’t a loveable maverick, he’s a borderline sociaopath who is intersted in two things only – continued prestige and a secure salary. The electorate – are ‘morons’ as far as he is concerned, he insults denigrates and attacks, and is clearly content with his role as ‘court jester’ in the house.

    This is the man who people once tipped as a possible PM. He is the Orson Welles of NZ politics. He started out as contemporary, cutting edge and groundbreaking with his unorthodox personal vision and ended up flabby, isolated and only fit to advertise Sherry. that’s when he isn’t appearing on Question-Time sounding dangerously close to having been tasting the merchandise prior to endorsing it…

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  7. Zippy Gonzales (485 comments) says:

    Yep, it’s old news that NZ Treasury has been got to. It would be good to have more statutory independence for Treasury. A public disclosure regime similar to Dept of Statistics would be an enema that would alleviate government throttling too.

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  8. Ross Miller (1,664 comments) says:

    Lee C …. ain’t that the truth but the sad thing is that I suspect that Helen would cave in and offer him the premiership just to retain power. Winston has a feral dislike of National and it is reciprocated with bells on.

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  9. Steve Withers (98 comments) says:

    This sentence came through loud and clear:

    “with a greater discipline on government spending so the private sector can play a bigger role in the country’s fortunes.”

    Sounds like privatising state functions. We’ve been there before. You end up paying more for less and the funder / provider split leaves the users of the service with no one accountable to them for it. “We only fund it” / “They didn’t give us enough money”.

    Been there a hundred times – ARTA and private operaters in Auckland’s public transit mess are merely the latest example I’ve directly suffered – and I’m frankly sick to death of that crap. It’s a recipe for full pockets for insiders and avoiding accountability.

    I guess we will get see once again why National isn’t fit to govern New Zealand: Faith in markets wins over reason and evidence far too often.

    Evidence is what you ignore on the way to way to trying to make markets do what they do not do well: provide reliable, accountable public services at reasonable cost.

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  10. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Shit Ghost the view must be great perched on the bow of the H.C. Titanic as it lifts above the waves, I hope you can swim.

    Winnie for PM?. No way, he’s all piss and wind. He would poo his pants if he had to say something that actually meant something.

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  11. getstaffed (9,189 comments) says:

    accountable public services…

    Quite a bit depends on what one includes in the list of ‘accountable public services’. Accountable is good, but shouldn’t accountability also include an assessment of necessity?

    I think it should.

    We have legions of policy analysts and media staff working in the public service. I’d contend that few are accountable, and fewer still are necessary.

    Out they go.. chop chop. Health and education bureaucrats? Cull them. Don’t just shuffle their functions elsewhere, stop them altogether. Focus resources liberated from ending this failed social engineering experiment on things that improve the education, wealth, health and international competitiveness of all NZers.

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  12. MacDoctor (66 comments) says:

    Steve: You end up paying more for less and the funder / provider split leaves the users of the service with no one accountable to them for it.

    Sounds like a really good description of the current state of the health services. The non-privatized ones…

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  13. Murray (8,838 comments) says:

    Ghostie is here all alone while the rest of the Clarktanic crew are below decks hacking holes in the hull to let the water out again with such briliant ideas as cracking down on bottle stores for daring to robbed making Dear Leaders keystone cops look bad.

    Here ghostie, take this cement lifering.

    It’ll float. Trust us.

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  14. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (762 comments) says:

    BB says
    “Ghost

    And of course you can provide proof of this “slur”…

    Of course there are those of us who will think that again you are talking shit, perhaps Key made a statement of fact but I am not sure how anybody (apart from a Labour fuckwit) could describe it as a “slur””

    of course you have no problem assuming that Cullen referred to Key as a “rich prick” to point out that rich people are pricks
    rather than Key being a prick for his comment and rich being a throw in

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  15. STC (52 comments) says:

    People have no idea how true this is. Not all left wing Governments are like this one

    While that is true, I disagree that Kevin Rudd leads a left wing Government. More to the left than the Liberal/National coalition, but centre-right by any balanced analysis

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  16. tim barclay (886 comments) says:

    There is not that much difference between the John Key National PArty and the Australian Labour Party, which shows just how extremist the NZ Labour Party has become. The NZ Labour Party under Clark has never managed to get over 40% of the vote. They will have to do much better than that if they wish to get back into Government. It seems maori are leaving Labour in droves especially those who aspire to something more than a life of dependancy on welfare, drugs and prison.

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  17. May (24 comments) says:

    Fran writes:

    The Australian Treasury under Ken Henry’s leadership plays a much more powerful role in its country’s economic fortunes than its New Zealand counterpart. It vigorously promotes an economic policy suite that it believes will underpin Australia’s success.

    Sadly, true.

    New Zealand Treasury, wake up!

    Gone are the days when New Zealand Treasury was highly regarded — when it had incredibly intelligent, extremely energetic, economically knowledgeable, courageous and influential individuals like Graham Scott, Roger Kerr and Murray Horn.

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  18. Hagues (711 comments) says:

    “People have no idea how true this is. Not all left wing Governments are like this one

    While that is true, I disagree that Kevin Rudd leads a left wing Government. More to the left than the Liberal/National coalition, but centre-right by any balanced analysis”

    Well no wonder Aussie is doing so much better than us. Even their lefties are right-wingers.

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  19. valeriusterminus (247 comments) says:

    So Fran describes a “Vision” – what about the “Policy”?
    Just a big Void eh?
    I laugh.. – Polls without policy! – how stupid? – or just a Vindication of the bell curve of stupidity!!
    Good on ya John Key. May your professed “technical” ascendant glory ascribe you a place in the pages of history. I’m sure it will be erased one day.

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  20. side show bob (3,660 comments) says:

    Fair enough Valeriusterminus, please enlighten us on your version of “what should be”.

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  21. artemisia (209 comments) says:

    Steve: You end up paying more for less …

    Umm, Telecom? Definitely paying less for more than in the old Post Office days.

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  22. kiwi in america (2,437 comments) says:

    Short Shrivelled and Slightly to the Left
    Doesn’t matter how you parse it-Cullen’s “rich prick” comment revealed the deep seated loathing in Labour’s ranks (and that of its apologists on the left) of capitalism and its successes. I constantly get asked in the US “Why would you leave such a beautiful country like NZ?”. My answer, after agreeing with NZ’s beauty, is to say that in NZ, if you succeed in business, there is a depressingly large number of people who whisper under their breath that somehow something crooked must’ve happened for you to become so successful-this attitude is wedded to a hostility to the notion of capitalist profit, an automatic assumption of corporate malfeasance and a smug assertion that socialism is a higher and holier state. In the US, if you succeed, people admire you, seek to emulate you and don’t care a fig if you want to buy a new Cadillac every year. On the flip side, in NZ, if you stumble in business, there is a chorus of tut tutting and “I told you so” – an attitude of “well he had it coming” coupled with a tendancy to never forget and to continually raise prior mistakes long after they were erased by future success. Again in the US, the converse is true. There is little stigma attached to business failure – the overwhelming attitude is “pick yourself up and have another go – most of our most successful businesses involved founders who made mistakes before their successes.”

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  23. valeriusterminus (247 comments) says:

    Is karma -11 significant??
    That’s at least 9 (gutless) readers not prepared to leave rebuttal or comment, but just “click on da dthumb”
    No less than expected.
    Oh SSB – thanks – let me just describe my Vision as a manifestation of “Open Source” vs Microsoft. Non-competitive collaboration will always triumph over Corporate secularism.
    Is this an “Open Source” blog – or not??

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  24. valeriusterminus (247 comments) says:

    KIA – just read you appalling diatribe – please stay there – what did David Lange say? – need not be restricted to Australis.
    1/ Do you include Petrevic and Bryers and Alexander in your list of people that we should not “tut tut” about, “sorry that was just a stumble”??
    2/ So – if the Cadillac is at the expense of defrauded investors should we still “say yay”?
    3/ Americans are becoming aware that their “Goldenites” are often a product of corruption. Tease me to list the malfeance!!

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