Jordan vs Roger
June 9th, 2008 at 8:36 pm by David FarrarAn interesting post from Jordan Carter on Sir Roger Douglas, whom he will be up against in Hunua. Some extracts and comments:
He is the prime salesman of the concepts which created poverty in New Zealand for the first time in two generations.
Okay so there was no poverty under Muldoon. Must remember that.
He stands for an unfair society based on concepts of right and privilege that are abhorrent to ordinary New Zealanders.
Now note here he doesn’t just attack Sir Roger’s policies but says Sir Roger is motivated by privilege. He can’t possibly concede that Sir Roger (as someone who served in Labour for far longer than Jordan) wants the same outcomes as Jordan, but just disagrees on the way to do it. No, there is an inability to credit your opponent with noble motives. You disagree with them, so they must be bad people is what he is saying.
His agenda is the same agenda he had in 1988: it is pulled right out of the deep freeze, an obsolete, out of date prescription for the problems our country faced twenty years ago. Everything has moved on except the Year Zero fanaticism of Sir Roger Douglas, ACT and most of the National Party.
Nice allusion to Pol Pot there. And note that Jordan doesn’t just paint Sir Roger as that, but all of ACT and most of National.
So I appreciate ACT’s honesty: Sir Roger and friends know what they stand for and are prepared to talk about it. Which is why having him as an opponent in Hunua is just brilliant. We’ll be able to debate reality, not the faux shadowboxing that is my National Party opponent’s only offer.
What would be nice is if he debates policies, instead of slogans.
Related posts:
- Is Jordan a secret fan of Roger Douglas?
- Salient interviews Jordan Carter
- Roger Douglas
- Sir Roger’s return
June 9th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Roger wins every time.
Jordan is embarrassing himself. There is nothing like re-arguing the debates of the past when Roger Douglas has already won them. Roger did a tremendous service for New Zealand and it would be good if people actually recognised this.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
>He is the prime salesman of the concepts which created poverty in New Zealand for the first time in two generations.
And both Helen Clark and Phil Goff supported him while he did so. But Carter doesn’t denounce them. I wonder why not?
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
DPF, your post summarise all those that don’t vote ACT extremely well.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
From Rodney’s speech yesterday.
“But here’s the thing:
Neither Helen Clark nor John Key is prepared to change the policies that Roger Douglas introduced in the 1980s.
Roger Douglas ended the wage and price freeze. He floated the New Zealand dollar. He abolished supplementary minimum prices. He introduced GST. He halved the top tax rate. He introduced the State-Owned Enterprises Act to run government businesses as businesses. And he made the Reserve Bank independent to get inflation under control.
All political parties now subscribe to these policies. And neither Helen Clark nor John Key is promising to get rid of them.
The past has been won. Our task now is to win our future. Not with clichés and focus-grouped lines. But with policies of substance that will put New Zealand back on top and deliver an extra $500 a week to Kiwis.”
I don’t know Jordan and have only been reading his blog for about 9 months, but as a general assessment he is a light weight.
Vote:If this is the quality of New New Zealand Labour, looks like it will be a long long time in opposition for the poor little fellas.
June 9th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Does anyone think it would be worth watching Jordan against Douglas? What a waste of time. What sort of insight would come out of that other than a few derisory laughs at the boy’s earnest naivity
Put Douglas against Cullen with Leighton Smith moderating on TV for an hour on Sunday. That would get excellent ratings.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
What are the demographics like in Hunua? Will Carter get 3rd?
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Vinick,
Carter may be lucky to get third in Hunua.
If Hutchinson is high on the Nats list, the logical thing is to vote ACT electorate and National Party List.
reid……it will be quite embarrassing seeing Douglas eviscerate Carter. Douglas eviscerating his former associate Minister on the other hand……………priceless
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
DPF…I don’t see a reply here from Jordan saying he will gladly debate Sir Roger. Could it be he actually realizes he hasn’t the intelligence or education to make a single salient point?
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Jordan is a lightweight – there would be nothing more amusing to see him get chewed up and spat up in a public meeting during the electon campaign. The old master who has a wonderful understanding of macro-economics will teach the young green socialist a lesson – but Jordan’s problem is that he will simply be too dumb to understand the clear logic of Roger’s wisdom.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
“No, there is an inability to credit your opponent with noble motives. You disagree with them, so they must be bad people is what he is saying.”
You nailed it. But wait- there’s more. The idea is not only to identify those who oppose leftist doctrine as bad people, but to use such allegations as a distraction.
“Brash met with the Brethren and lied. Bush lied. Cheney is a cronyist. Key pulled off some kind of shady fraud while he was trading dollars.” These are attempts to identify the opponents of leftism as “bad people” sure enough, but the allegations (false as they always are) also serve to distract from any argument on policy or strategy or direction. The argument simply becomes is this person a bad person or a good person”. Some mud always sticks, so the leftist is able to gain some ground whatever the outcome.
Leftist policies will never stand logical scrutiny or historical comparison/ research. That is why every election descends into the same series of events. The left dream up some kind of scandal wherein they attempt to show their opponent is a “bad person”, and presto, there’s your election.
I hope that not only the Nats but also the voting public wake up to this trick the leftists always play. The trick that is always enthusiastically promoted by their media plants.
Wait for it. It will come. Sure as hell, the left have some kind of “bad person” scam to try and pull on John Key. Anything to take the heat off the failure of their policies, and simplify the election down to the kind of terms the left’s brainless supporters can understand.
(The media are leftist plants/ suckholes/ agents. You can see this with their current faithful follow through on the idiotic suggestion that Key should release policies which is already a kind of “bad person” style attack. All the damn media in NZ are is a megaphone for leftist talking points.)
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Has Jordan Carter actually ever had a job? Or has he always been one of those public-tit sucking Labour activists?
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Douglas debating Carter on economics would be like Winston Churchill debating Helen Clark on National Security
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
It’s quite disappointing Jordan writes this when he is clearly more intelligent than this.
Roger Douglas abolished more privileges and *rights* (read: subsidies) than any other politician in a lifetime, all of which led to far more prosperity now than Jordan could ever imagine.
Douglas, and Act, stand for abolishing all privilege so that *all* citizens can have the chance to achieve prosperity, rather than just a few elite.
Unfortunately, the Labour Party cannot go near abolishing state privileges as they would poll about 3% if they did (most of their support base is reliant on state privileges).
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I see Mr Sheenan has thrown in the towell for Botany as well. Looks like all that hot air of his couldn’t be backed up with substance. Surprise surprise.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Couple of things; first, Sir Roger will be focusing on the Party Vote for ACT, leaving the electorate vote to National. Only a groundswell of sustainable support of him as electorate MP would change this approach.
Second, I don’t have any reason to slag Jordan. Simply ask him to read anything of Roger Douglas’s writings and he will see the deepest of antipathy ‘against privilege wherever it’s found’. And his whole policy platform and achievements reflect this.
If you are looking for the man’s heart rather than his head, this is what you will find in there. People who wonder what labour-lefty stuff was really inside the man need look no further.
As for Jordan, I don’t know him but I’ll put $500 to a charity we both agree on, that if he reads Roger’s 1989 speech to the Labour Party Conference he will not be able maintain his currently held and expressed beliefs about Roger Douglas and at the same time avoid a seriously delusional state.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
I joined ACT after I read Roger Douglas comment that he wanted to remove privilege. I then looked at what was privilege and realised it was one group taking from another. This could be farmers using a resource like water with out paying or a few government connected people controlling imports right through to the American farming corporations receiving subsidies that allow them to undercut poor African farmers and preventing them from earning a living even in their own countries.
Historically it is only when people are free and unburdened by taxes that they have lived good lives.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 10:20 pm
“It’s quite disappointing Jordan writes this when he is clearly more intelligent than this.”
I don’t think so. Leftists love to feign intelligence. The further into the dogma they are, the more intelligence their peers credit them with. Conversely, they claim that anyone who doesn’t agree with “approved” leftist doctrine is stupid. However the reality is the mental state that leftists call intelligence is fake, like almost everything else about them. If they were truly intelligent, they wouldn’t subscribe to such an obviously flawed and corrupt ideology.
For an excellent example of fake intelligence, I haven’t seen better lately than the overly long narcissistic convoluted factless and pointless rubbish spouted by a certain guest editorial writer on the Standard a day or so ago attacking John Key. What an utter waste of oxygen these parasites are. They contribute nothing to the cake, but always want to control how it is distributed.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Why does Jordan have to tell outright lies? Roger Douglas abolished import licensing, a regime that was all about right and privilege. I guess Jordan is far too young to remember those bad old days when we had to put up with crappy, overpriced, poor quality NZ goods as often there was no alternative – or if there was it was hugely expensive. Those with the import licences had the right to rip the rest of us off and so did the protected NZ manufacturers.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Vinick – A very similar seat years ago was called ‘Franklin’ and was the third or so strongest National seat after Pahiatua (Kiwi Keith’s electorate) and Remuera. A Pukekohe market gardener called Wai Shing (I think) stood for Labour in Franklin a number of times and got thrashed each time. Bill Birch won it in 1972 when his predecessor retired and Bill had it (and its successors) until he retired in 1999.
Vote:June 9th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
I have been quite disgusted with labour’s reliance on catchphrase propaganda. For Brash, they never debated policy – just constantly repeated the “gone by lunchtime line”. For John Key, its “Slippery” combined with “no policy”. Now we see a similar tact for Roger Douglas, who apparently plunged the country into poverty to aid his illuminati mates.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Plain and simple, Jordan is running scared. All this hot air is nothing. He never expected he would be under this much scrutiny in his first campaign and now he is in at the deep end.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Yawn. Same old Labourite BS from Jordan. The sad thing is, he is pandering to people that will lap this up. It doesnt have to make sense. It doesnt have to even be true. All that matters is that it sounds good.
Should this surprise anyone? It isnt as if Labour has been a party with substance for the last decade.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 5:13 am
Aw man, this election is going to be so much fun. I always knew Jordan was a bottom.
D
For ACT to go for anything other than a two ticks message in Hunua would be missing a fantastic opportunity. The other two candidates are weak and it is eminently winnable.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 6:01 am
I second the election as having a fun outlook.
It would especially be good to watch Roger Douglas debate the direction of the New Zealand economy with Cullen. A classic example of the Master and the Apprentice.
I want to see Roger Douglas as the next Finance Minister of New Zealand.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 8:19 am
So Herr Rottenfuhrer goes for Sir Roger.
Ask Roger how it feels to be savaged by Bambi someone.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Roger Douglas- Sacked as finance minister
Ruth Richardson- sacked as finance minister
Doesnt that tell you something , these people are political pariahs.
Vote:the public doesnt want them, the parties dont want them.
June 10th, 2008 at 9:30 am
We will see who the public wants soon enough, ghostwhowalks3, and it isnt going to be Labour.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 9:45 am
It’s not often that I am in wholehearted agreement with a Nat, but here are Hutchinson’s comments reported in this morning’s Waikato Times:
National MP Dr Paul Hutchison says Sir Roger Douglas’ track record as a former finance minister will count against him when the pair contest the Hunua seat.
Dr Hutchison suggested the Act Party member’s performance in David Lange’s Labour Government of the 1980s was remembered with contempt by many voters…
“I think he has somewhat unrealistic and extreme views that won’t carry a lot of people with him,” Dr Hutchison said.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Jordan’s another leftie Labour loser who after supporting the nine years of Labour government has nothing but the more failed policies of tax and spend that are improvishing NZders.
When is Labour going to release new policy? All the same to do is to steal National’s and then release it.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 10:17 am
gww3: yep, failed the both of them. That’s why every finance minister since has fiddled around the edges without changing anything of significance. The way the changes were done might not have been ideal, but the changes themselves have stood the test of time. And remember that for both of them, the inheritance from the previous government forced them to act far faster than they would in the absence of the crisis (NZ about to go bankrupt in Roger Douglas’ case, BNZ crisis in Ruth’s case).
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 11:05 am
is it true wot someone told me..that douglas is/was a (failed) pig farmer..?
and that since ‘strewth’ richardson has been booted out of govt..
..that she has been running one of those finance companies..
..that is now in deep doo-doo/going down the gurgler..?
(‘strewth..!’..eh..?..)
could one of you rabid righties possibly explain for the rest of us..
..just what makes/how these two are ‘economic-gurus’..?
..(in your little/addled minds..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 11:21 am
philu: you mean as opposed to a history professor? Perhaps we could agree that qualifications aren’t the be all and end all? Whilst lack of qualifications shouldn’t preclude appointment, we should be sceptical until we see the results. With Ruth and Roger the results were pretty clear (remembering nobody has reversed their reforms, and that the lefties complain about only a very small number of them – we don’t hear about all the bits that underpin our economy today). With Cullen – well, let’s just say he’s about to hand over to English an economy in the same failed state, and English will be asked to perform as Ruth and Roger had to – deal with the crisis and then get the economy back onto a sound footing. Having Roger in parliament to advise him will help English a lot.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 11:31 am
“and that since ’strewth’ richardson has been booted out of govt..
..that she has been running one of those finance companies..
..that is now in deep doo-doo/going down the gurgler..?”
Don’t know about finance companies, but she has been involved with the start-up of dairy company Synlait.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
oh..!..so she’s peddling ‘white-death’ as well..
(way to go..!..)
http://whoar.co.nz/2008/the-blue-zonesthose-parts-of-the-world-where-people-live-the-longesthealthiest-livesguess-whatthe-one-thing-they-have-in-commonis-not-eating-meatdairygo-figureeh/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Don’t drink milk then Phil? My, you must have been an irritable child…
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Good on Jordan for standing I admire everyone who puts them self up for an election thats what a democracy is about.
Sadly Jordan is on a hiding to nothing As others have stated the obvious How many of Rogers policies have been reversed in the past 20 years.
IMHO the good people of Hunua might surprise and vote for Roger and Paul H .
the joys of MMP for me would be to have Roger as a counter balance to JK trying to move towards the LEFT.
Heaven forbid but until the LEFT are exorcised like the Commies have been then we the good citizens are not safe in our beds
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
“Don’t drink milk then Phil? My, you must have been an irritable child”
That might also go some way to explaining his writing style. Irritable Vowel Syndrome.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
heh..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
and another heh! for this..
“..Having Roger in parliament to advise him will help English a lot..”
(has anyone told english yet..?..)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
ghostwhowalks3 said:
“Roger Douglas- Sacked as finance minister
Ruth Richardson- sacked as finance minister
Doesnt that tell you something , these people are political pariahs.
the public doesnt want them, the parties dont want them.”
All it tells you is that their gutless prime ministers didn’t want them, nothing more.
The public clearly DID want Douglas to finish the job he started. That’s why they returned Labour with an increased majority in 1987.
After he was sacked, the same public gave Labour the biggest drubbing ever, even though they had no love for Bolger.
Both Douglas and Richardson – and also Brash – can console themselves that they’re in demand as consultants to countries all round the world wishing to know how to grow their economies.
Hard to imagine the likes of Bill Birch and Michael Cullen being inundated with calls.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
is douglas still advising pig farmers..?
..and richardson finance companies..?
do/don’t they know..?
(together tho’..they could offer ‘wicked’ advice on how to create a permanent underclass..and a low-wage economy..
eh..?
..and they are both really good/experienced at ripping away supports from the poorest/weakest in any society..
..so..if any of that’s your ‘bent’..they’d be the consultants to go to..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Paul Hutchison is a real gentleman. He’s probably a first rate doctor as well.
Having expressed his views about Sir Roger Douglas, perhaps he would now be good enough to provide us with a list of the things he himself has achieved for his country – or even one idea he has had – in the time he has been in Parliament.
I’m looking forward to the debate when Jordan Carter’s socialist ‘abuse and confuse’ strategy runs headlong into Roger’s wall of substance.
Now for both candidates, some questions:
Which of Roger’s reforms do you think were wrong?
Why do your party leaders not intend to reverse them?
What would you have done had you been in charge in 1984?
Which of the policies on Sir Roger’s 20 Point Plan do you not think will produce the results stated for New Zealand – and why?
What is your plan to reverse the decline in living standards that the present Labour and previous National government have presided over?
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
“..runs headlong into Roger’s wall of substance. .”
oo-err..!..
wodgers’ ‘wall of substance’..
eh..?
who knew..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Phil
Look, just fuck off!
..eh..?
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
um..!..bb..no..!
eh..?
(am i ‘getting to you’/crimping your douglas/richardson-worshipping bullshit..?
good..!..eh..?)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Richardson was sacked after the 92 election.
Vote:Bolger saw his huge majority dissapear in an instant. And thats was with the FPP sytem they had to get a Labour guy to become speaker so they didnt have a tied vote every week.
Douglas was a failure running his own business and can only make a living with his snout in the public trough
June 10th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
phul
Nah, you never get to me, given that you are the lowest form of life it would not be worth the effort.
However I will think of you and laugh when there is a new govt, the thought of you losing your benefit and being made to find work is something that I cannot wait for.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Douglas did the right thing in changing many of our policies in
Vote:NZ, But his TINA argument that there was no alternative to
rush was wrong.
How many farmers committed suicide because of the sudden
change in policies ?
And the statement that one has to break a few eggs used by some
is just sick.
National saying Douglas will be it’s finance person, jeez, what a
gift to Labour.
June 10th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
“Roger’s wall of substance”?!? Sounds like something out of the swamp in a B-grade horror movie.
GWW3, It was the 1993 election I think, but your point is correct. The result was so close that Mike Moore did his victory whoop on election night and looked even sillier than usual the next day.
Douglas did quite well out of advising the Russians for some years, though you couldn’t say 99% of Russians did very well. But now the Russians are luxuriating in oil wealth, most of them, they’ll probably chalk this up as another Douglas miracle. Sigh.
Anyway, in March, on ACT’s announcement that Douglas was to stand, DPF pontificated that, “This is smart politics. The people who hate Roger Douglas will never vote ACT anyway, but it is a fairly strong symbolic gesture to those who supported the 80s reforms.”
I think that there may have been a little blip in ACT’s support in mid-March, and ACT may even have doubled its support in the polls, much as I predicted at the time (to a torrent of negative kharma), but it’s hard to tell on most graphs without enlargement.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
I don’t think tooo many people have a problem with the policies that Douglas enacted (although the consensus seems to be that lot of people suffered at the time as a because of them), but people will have a problem with all the things that he WANTS to do – ‘finish the job’, if you will.
Maybe no one wanted the policies that he got through at the time either, and this is a parallel situation, but this time he actually has to convince people BEFORE the election, as opposed to after being elected…Jordan might not beat him, but Hutchison will.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Grumpyoldhori – yup, I’m afraid it’s not enough to simply blame previous National administrations for that one and move on. The weaning off subsidies should have been more gradual. Then again, were there actually farmers who committed suicide, or is that just one of those urban legends?
I likewise think Hutchison would make an excellent doctor. He may well have the opportunity to go back to that profession. Sightseeing in Pukekohe on Sunday and looking at all the new Holdens on the road tells me all ACT has to do is remind people how they got to be driving them. I’m not sure Hutchison has a rejoinder for that.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
BlairM, the past is done! There would be no point going on about what he did 20 years ago – he would have to say what ACT WILL do. And what Roger would actually do for the Hunua electorate, seeing as he wants to be their MP and all…
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
stephen – which of the 20 policies that ACT put out do you think NZers won’t agree with?
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
If they know who he is, or lived through the reforms, probably all of them based on reflex…’OMG profits before people’…that sort of thing. Pity there hasn’t been more coverage of the 20 points, I’d like to see them debated a bit more…
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Yes, PaulL, when will people answer our simple questions?
It’s certainly true that some of the actions taken in the 80s caused pain. But there was no painless way of going about those reforms. It was either pain now or more pain later. Roger chose bad over worse.
What would our other leaders have chosen, I wonder?
There are people in ACT who lost a fortune as a result of Rogernomics, but still know it was the right thing to do. Few of today’s farmers would dispute that.
If there were farmers who committed suicide, that’s awful. What do you say to that? Well, perhaps you have to say this…
To what extent should a politician deprive the vast majority of his people of positive benefits because of the possibility of extreme actions by a distressed few?
Sometimes being a politician must be the best job in the world. Other times it must be the worst. There are agonising decisions to be made.
History will judge Roger Douglas as having got the vast majority of his decisions right. Who among the current crop of leaders can point to such a record?
None of them has even had the fairly obvious idea of setting a SMART goal for New Zealand and creating a plan to achieve it. It’s what companies do every day, but in New Zealand politics it took Sir Roger Douglas to think of it!
We owe it to ourselves to use his instincts again.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
John Ansell
“We owe it to ourselves to use his instincts again”
Very well said, however I doubt that Kiwi’s are smart enough to realise it.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
we need him to give key ‘some spine’..
eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
I can feel a billboard coming on
“Vote Key, get Douglas”
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
or..
‘remember the 80′s..?
he’s back..!”
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Now you’re cooking philu and sonic.
How about…
Spin. Spin. Spine.
(Labour/National/ACT)
I think we’ll do that – thanks.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Wouldn’t it be ‘Vote Key, get Clark Policy’ sonic?
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
How about:
Spin. Spin. Spit. The Dummy.
Vote:Labour/National/ACT
June 10th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Nah, it would be “vote Labour, get copied National policy without the people who understood how to implement it.” Damn, not catchy enough. Ah well, lucky I’m not in marketing.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Look, Roger Douglas is not shy about challenging any comers to a full-on TV debate, and no-one has yet been prepared to take him up on it. The socialists, including the media, are absolutely paranoid about this guy actually getting connected with the AUDIENCE, they want to maintain their stranglehold on the sheeple’s minds with their propaganda bullshit, smearing and misrepresentation of the issues.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
yeah..it’s a shame..eh..?
if only the evil media would stop stopping the public from hearing the wit & wisdom of wodger..eh..?
if only they heard it..act’s poll rating would break 50%..
and there would be a spontaneous uprising..
oh..!..that evil evil media..!
eh..?
and ansell..keep up the bridge/spine-building sneers against national..eh..?
got something to do with act’s election campaign..?..have you..?
btw..have you ever worked on a winning campaign..?
or have they all been ‘losers’..?
(someone told me that..that you are zero for zero..
could you confirm/deny that..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
douglas is sorta encouraging key to ‘come on over for an abusive relationship’..eh..?
with douglas doing the abusing..and key the abused..
with ansell coming in behind with his (repeated) ‘spineless key’ comments..
sorta a novel method of/approach to coalition-building..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Shut up Phil. You’re a damn bludger, and if there was ever any real justice, people who receive handouts would automatically lose their right to vote. On the grounds that like you, they’ll never vote for anyone who might take their handout away. Giving bludgers like you money taken from NZers trying to raise a family on wages is nothing but a corruption of the democratic process. You have nothing against Douglas in reality, other than that he might force you to get off your fat useless arse and work for a living like the people on here who support you and your family as well as their own family. Get a job you useless arsehole, I’m sick of subsidizing you to spew hate and bigotry in the blogosphere.
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
gotcha..!
eh reddy..?
can i call myself redbaiterbaiter..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:June 10th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
“can i call myself redbaiterbaiter..?”
You certainly can, phil… I think quite a few of us can…
Vote:June 11th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Actually I think voters would be turned off by being suspicious at how much all this will cost once the private sector gets their hands on everything, as well as being suspicious of the tendency to create ‘winners and losers’ (on Rodney’s blog at the moment) in sectors like education.
Vote: