The UK rugby players and the Kiwi girl

June 22nd, 2008 at 7:43 pm by David Farrar

The allegations against the UK players are dominating the front pages over here in London. Even The Times has the lurid story as its lead.

An interesting story in the Herald on Sunday. I have to say there is a high degree of cynicism about the allegations, but that due process needs to be gone through, so unless people were in the room, no-one knows for sure what happened. A key issue will be whether charges are laid obviously.

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46 Responses to “The UK rugby players and the Kiwi girl”

  1. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Was she really dressed as Alice in Wonderland?

    How weird is that, on how many levels?

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  2. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    If the criteria was “he keeps going and going and going” it must be Mike Tindall for all the yellow cards he received

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  3. dad4justice (8,309 comments) says:

    Is this another case of false allegations orchestrated by a pissed off boyfriend or a sordid incident of culpable criminality? Whatever, this needs immediate closure so the pommy dirty laundry media brigade can return back to the motherland for another sex story!

    To big blouse and Toad, sorry about the exclamation mark as my ANGER is classified madness in your distorted eyes. Been called a rapist lately?

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  4. BlairM (2,364 comments) says:

    Well who knows what happened? All we do know right now is that the Herald’s coverage of this story has been disgusting. Is there nothing a professional rugby player cannot get away with in this country?

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  5. Michaels (1,318 comments) says:

    What I find more interesting with this story is what do OUR journo’s do here?
    The rape side of things were broken by UK papers.
    Do ours just sit on the arse’s waiting for the story to unfold then write something??

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  6. tim barclay (886 comments) says:

    Stupid girl she asked for it.

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  7. kisekiman (219 comments) says:

    How dare those English cads debauch our innocent and pure kiwi women. Outrageous! Damn and blazes to their insolence!

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  8. clintheine (1,571 comments) says:

    We’ll see in due course if it was true or not. W

    hy is it that any time anybody famous sleeps with anybody, it turns into a sordid allegation.

    Also, I feel embarrassed that she is called a “model”. The British press are talking about her being a hottie… excuse me but shes far from good!

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  9. BlairM (2,364 comments) says:

    Geez, can we leave our prejudices at the door for five freaking seconds? There was a complaint. That’s serious shit. Everybody here knows that there is a history in New Zealand of rugby players getting away with murder. Yeah sure, maybe it was some groupie that freaked out, but could we at least entertain the possibility that these guys are no angels?

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  10. clintheine (1,571 comments) says:

    Blair, I agree that sportsmen get away with murder, just as often as the allegations that run thick and fast whenever sportsmen go out for a drink. I am waiting to see if she presses charges. If it was like the media said – then she would have no lack of support from fellow Kiwis to make sure she carries through with them.

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  11. bearhunter (853 comments) says:

    UK rugby players, David? You mean there were Northern Irish, Welsh and Scots players in the team too? I thought you’d know the difference between England, Great Britain and the UK at least…

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  12. LabourMustBeLiquidated (290 comments) says:

    With the “advances” of feminism, women have won the right to be whores. But when they are treated like whores they don’t like it. They can’t have it both ways. Further to that, kiwi women have a well deserved reputation world wide for being easy.

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  13. Captain Crab (351 comments) says:

    I’d suggest going home with sore bits and being caught by the boyfriend lead to the “complaint”.Was it rape? Dont know. With over 30 million + sheep, perhaps the English thought it was ok to spit roast a lamb.
    Still, pretty sordid behaviour all round and the English should not be proud. Its a fine line to things going too far.

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  14. JiveKitty (778 comments) says:

    It does seem pretty suspicious. I don’t have a lot of faith going from what is known thus far.

    1) They were at the Pony Club. This is a club underneath a strip club and owned by the same guy, I’m pretty sure. So, it’s not exactly going to be the classiest establishment with the classiest patrons, however they try to dress it up otherwise. Sordid people gravitate to sordid places.

    2) The girl went back to the Hilton with the rugby players. Okay, you’re at a pretty sordid place, and you go back to the hotel with the rugby players. It is fairly obvious that something sexual is going to occur.

    3) Girl has a boyfriend. Goes back to him the day after… Allegation of rape surfaces.

    What does this lead me to think?

    Well, see, I think (it’s not fact) that the person in question is probably a slut, who was, ahh, starstruck by the British rugby players, ended up going back to the hotel and having sex with at least one of them, without considering too strongly what her boyfriend would think, who then went home the day after, and told her boyfriend what happened, but either was mortified and played it off as rape, or the boyfriend was angry enough to make her, ahh, change her mind as to what it really was, or he just couldn’t believe that she could do such a thing as “she’s really a good girl, and wouldn’t do that kind of thing unless under duress!”, so guilted her into changing her story.

    But hey, this is all supposition by me. I could be wrong, and if it really is rape… Well, I’d like rapists to be castrated, but I don’t see it happening, chemically or otherwise (Can’t take away those rapists rights now, can we?), so I guess if it was rape, I’d like to see a harsh penalty.

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  15. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Blair what complaint?

    The boyfriend? His complaint is that his girlfriend is a loose slapper who would rather bang three stangers at once than come home to him.

    The girl has not made a complaint. Where the hell is this “due process” that you speak of David? No statment, no complainent, no crime. Yet the cops are still investigating.

    Do we no longer have a pile of actual rapes sitting on a desk waiting to be investigated?

    What a load of crap.

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  16. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    Girl has a boyfriend. Goes back to him the day after… Allegation of rape surfaces.

    Um… Is the party girl with the boyfriend the same woman that the possible rape allegations concern? I have a sneaking suspicion they’re different women.

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  17. JiveKitty (778 comments) says:

    If they are different women, the final aspect of my theory is invalidated. What I heard on the radio this morning, I’m pretty sure, gave credence to the women having a boyfriend, but I could have misheard. However, even if the final aspect is invalidated, the rest is still credible.

    Woman at what is essentially a seedy bar, in my view, where rugby players are located. Goes back to hotel with rugby players without expecting anything sexual? Seems unlikely. Morning after mortification could seem likely, especially if a player is not so nice as the night before… Woman bitter, and unhappy with outcome. And fill in the blanks. Note that this is a theory. And if it was rape, as I said, I’d like to see a harsh penalty.

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  18. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Lots of strange speculation here.
    There are two women. One, a model, goes back with a rugby player with the express intent of getting laid, by him. She does that, expresses her delight, gives him the complement of comparison to an energiser bunny, admits to trying every position know to either of them and enjoying it. This woman I have no problem with. She was dressed as Alice in Wonderland because there was a fancy dress competition. He liked what he saw, she liked what she saw. They clicked and off they went! What used to be the average single male’s most dear hope for a visit to a club is equally avaiulabler now to women. Good on her for not being coy or ashamed and just fronting up with honesty about her escapade. There was (asparently,) some fun and gamers in the morning, with a couple of the lads pulling douvets off sleeping people (some in couples) but again, no complaint from this girl – she laughs at it in the good humour it was probably intended.

    The other girl also went back to the hotel with “A” guy. She was probably of the same mind as the first, and up for a shag with the pick-up from the club. Again, a man’s dream come true, and probably hers as well. But now comes the problem. The guy sher wants, thinks sharing her with a few mates is OK, she doesn’t agree. He decides she’ll do what she’s told and, still saying no, she gets raped. WHen she gets out of the hotel she goes straight to the hospital for an examination, telling thre medical staff she has been raped. The medical staff call the police, the police take a note of her allegation, and somer preliminary enquiries take place. As is usual in a Rape case where there might be some ambiguity of what happened, the police do not enter a formal complaint, but tell her to get medical treatment and some emptia\onal support, there’s plenty of time for her to lay a formal complaint. There is a tacit acknowledgement by the English Union that there might be a case to answer, in which case they will make sure the guys front up (exactly the same as a situation not many years ago when the NZRU promised to deliver someone to South America, which they did!)

    Guys (and girls), it doesn’t matter when she said no, as long as it wasn’t after the deed was started. THere is no excuse for a gang bang when the lady says no. So let’s respect both these ladies’ right to chose to have sex with a guy they met in a club that night, and the second ladies right to say no to some mates joining in!

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  19. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    And there was me thinking the “she was asking for it” defence against rape was part of history.

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  20. JiveKitty (778 comments) says:

    Fair enough, Dave Strings, you’ve provided information I hadn’t heard, and it changes my opinion. Thank you.

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  21. Al-Girta (60 comments) says:

    No Sonic “asking for it” also describes the left’s current position on terrorism.

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  22. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (786 comments) says:

    Yeah Sonic!
    For example, “Iraq was asking for it”

    let you be warned everyone, keep your sisters away from Tim
    cos they could be “asking for it”

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  23. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    ““Iraq was asking for it”

    Indeed having all that sexy oil and a third world army, they wanted to be invaded the strumpets!

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  24. RRM (10,009 comments) says:

    Boozy slappers hanging around professional rugby players? Wow, there’s a surprise!

    There can’t be much actual evidence behind any of the more serious allegations, or else you would have to assume steps would have been taken to prevent the England players involved from leaving the country.

    Why is this even news?

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  25. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    Too right Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left – Why do people like Tim automatically assume that people who lay a rape complaint are lying? A guilty conscience perhaps?

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  26. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    drunk topless women follow drunk rugby team back to bedroom for

    what?

    tiddlywinks?

    Wake up. There is a such a thing as putting yourself in danger. These type of women would cry rape if they were actually involved in consensual intercourse and part way through changed their minds, changed it back, changed it again, then back again and then back again to cover the time they changed it back. And the people who squark about their rights to say no even as she bangs away quite happily, and support the view that 20 years from now the woman should still be able to change her mind, are dimwits.

    There would be very few women who would put themselves into such a situation and not expect someting to happen, and of that group, none of them would be the kind to go drunk and topless beforehand. Leave the slappers to their own stupidities. They waste everyone’s time. The law should not look out for the liberally retarded. Especially if they don’t even file complaints. Let them choose to split morals on the head of a pin as to who they do or don’t fuck, but they cannot cast off their responsiblity afterwards for situations they purposely got into and demand help cleaning up the mess.

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  27. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Shorter good god.

    These women are sl*ts who deserve everything they get, why should any man listen to a woman saying no?

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  28. roger nome (4,067 comments) says:

    good god good god – so let me get this straight. If you were to go back to to someone’s hotel room for sex you wouldn’t object to being forced to have sex with other people after saying that you don’t want to? Or is it just horny men that should be able to choose who they have sex with and not horny women?

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  29. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    ANGEL seems to be the second bag lady from (money or the bag) to hit the headlines.Whos next???? one a slut and one a P user

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  30. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    tim barclay said: Stupid girl she asked for it.

    Tim, you’re not a mate of Brad Shipton by any chance?

    If women are “asking for it” they say things like “Yeah”, “that’s nice”, and “ooh, do that some more”.

    If they are saying things like “no, not with that thing”, “hey, I was only interested in him, not you”, or just plain “no” they are clearly not “asking for it” – regardless of the setting or their state of intoxication.

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  31. Simon (760 comments) says:

    Good to see some Saddam Hussein hold outs still left.

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  32. sonic (2,818 comments) says:

    Indeed Simon, given the stunning success of the Iraqi invasion it’s now clear that those who predicted disaster must have had a hidden agenda.

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  33. JSF2008 (422 comments) says:

    sonic is a trier, i will give the liarbour lover that, do you wish sonic to taste the delights of angel or(CANDY) a better TRADE name ,a rampaging vibrator (BATTERY) lover who goes, on and on.,hell could you keep up with the needs of this SLUT, or do you want to???????, i bet her mother sighed,SLUT forever :)

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  34. paradigm (452 comments) says:

    Sonic:
    Iraq was asking for it: by ignoring UN Security Council rulings, by having a corrupt dictator as its head of state, violently oppressing civilians etc… The problems I have with the American led action is they didn’t come out and say this and instead tried to pass it off as part of the war on terror/response to weapons of mass destruction proliferation, and that they had an incredibly naive plan as to how to rebuild the country afterwards.

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  35. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    paradigm said: by ignoring UN Security Council rulings, by having a corrupt dictator as its head of state, violently oppressing civilians etc…

    As if Iraq isn’t and hasn’t been the only country to do this! And, if it were not for the fact that the US had a veto in the Security Council, they would themselves be guilty of all of the above, as would several of their client states.

    The Security Council veto is a “might is right” mentality. There is an urgent need for reform of the UN to ensure that it democratically represents world opinion and has the power to enforce that representation of opinion, rather than be controlled by 5 elite powers. But the US (nor China, the UK, France, or Russia) will ever permit that.

    International democracy is dead on the world stage folks, unless we promote it on the ground in our own countries.

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  36. big bruv (14,141 comments) says:

    Toad

    We all know that the UN is a complete waste of time and money, in reality it serves to do nothing more than push hard left political ideals.

    The ironic thing is that if the UN did have some genuine desire to do something about the despots of this world you and all the other USA haters would have to find some other reason to despise the Yanks.

    The UN should have been the ones to get rid of Saddam, they should be the ones who are charging into Zimbabwe as we speak and they should be the ones doing something about all the other problem areas of the world.
    The reality is that they sit ion their ever growing backsides sucking off the public tit as only left wingers know how to do, they justify their salaries by flying meaningless peace missions to the far flung corners of the world when the only thing they should be sending is guns and tanks to take out the likes of Mugabe and Saddam.

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  37. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    “International democracy is dead on the world stage folks, unless we promote it on the ground in our own countries.”

    Couldn’t agree more Toad – and the pollsters seem to be with us on that. Chuck the left out and get some democracy back to NZ

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  38. big bruv (14,141 comments) says:

    Anyway..back on topic.

    Why is this story (rugby players and slut) even news?

    There has been NO complaint made and therefore there is NO victim and NO crime, as dear corrupt maggot leader would say..its time to move on.

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  39. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    If they picked them up at showgirls the bastards should be charged with theft

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  40. JiveKitty (778 comments) says:

    It’s because they’re famous. It is usual for crimes to be reported on when charges are laid, isn’t it? You don’t usually hear about people who might have charges laid against them. That would be much too speculative normally. It’s sad that the media has an obsession with celebrity. Media should report on actual news. That said, if the allegations are proved…

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  41. Tauhei Notts (1,746 comments) says:

    Old time rugby enthusiasts will recall Kit Fawcett’s famous words before the 1976 South African tour.

    “We will score more off the field than on the field.”

    Those Poms – they should have read their own Churchill;
    “The man who does not study history will live to repeat history’s mistakes”.

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  42. big bruv (14,141 comments) says:

    Jive

    If the allegations are proved then the bastards should be shot or hung from the tallest ruby posts by their balls.

    However I don’t see that happening.

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  43. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    BB – and what if the allegations are baseless?

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  44. JiveKitty (778 comments) says:

    BB, did say “If”. If they are baseless, and the female in question actually makes a formal complaint then she should be charged with wasting police time. She hasn’t made a formal complaint, has she? So, we’ll see, I guess. Still not enough information either way.

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  45. Short Shriveled and Slightly to the Left (786 comments) says:

    Big Bruv says
    “The UN should have been the ones to get rid of Saddam, they should be the ones who are charging into Zimbabwe as we speak and they should be the ones doing something about all the other problem areas of the world.”

    well maybe your heroes the US of A should go in there and sort it out themselves
    after thats what they love to do right? free citizens from their despot leaders?
    no other reason to go into Iraq aye

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  46. paradigm (452 comments) says:

    toad said: “As if Iraq isn’t and hasn’t been the only country to do this! And, if it were not for the fact that the US had a veto in the Security Council, they would themselves be guilty of all of the above, as would several of their client states.”

    So because one country has commited an attrocity in the past, others should be allowed to as well? Perhaps you feel that we shouldn’t attempt to stop single occurances of such acts but simultaneously stop every single one?

    Too bad the world lacks the resources to do so. We should be happy that the leadership of any country is brought to account for their crimes, its a damn sight better than anything the UN has managed.

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