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		<title>By: paradigm</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-461622</link>
		<dc:creator>paradigm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the question becomes are we good enough at controlling the supply to keep it at exactly zero inflation, and what happens when it slips to either side of zero. We know what happens when it is slightly above zero, that is the normal situation in most countries. But if it drops below zero we should get falling prices and wages, however both are often somewhat downwardly immobile so instead of downward prices and wages we get downsized production and employment; the reduced employment leads to a drop in spending power, further reducing demand which is further responded to by more downsizing, forming a deflationary spiral. It is a matter of history that deflation has been more damaging than moderate inflation, so it is perhaps useful to tolaerate the latter as a buffer against the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the question becomes are we good enough at controlling the supply to keep it at exactly zero inflation, and what happens when it slips to either side of zero. We know what happens when it is slightly above zero, that is the normal situation in most countries. But if it drops below zero we should get falling prices and wages, however both are often somewhat downwardly immobile so instead of downward prices and wages we get downsized production and employment; the reduced employment leads to a drop in spending power, further reducing demand which is further responded to by more downsizing, forming a deflationary spiral. It is a matter of history that deflation has been more damaging than moderate inflation, so it is perhaps useful to tolaerate the latter as a buffer against the former.</p>
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		<title>By: NZD.JPY</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-461133</link>
		<dc:creator>NZD.JPY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely no need to apologise paradigm.
I still don&#039;t understand why you think that zero inflation would lead to underutilisation of resources though. If money supply increases at the same rate as the economy expands then there would be no more or less utilisation than there is now? In other words the dollar would maintain its current value. You&#039;d be better off because you had some productivity growth and older goods would be cheaper because of new replacements but no more or less purchasing power per dollar. If there were more dollars in circulation without corresponding productivity growth you&#039;d be nominally better off because you had more dollars in the hand but in fact each dollar is worth less in purchasing power terms. In that sense I don&#039;t know why central banks tolerate inflation. I can&#039;t see the benefits. The sticky price effect is a bubble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely no need to apologise paradigm.<br />
I still don&#8217;t understand why you think that zero inflation would lead to underutilisation of resources though. If money supply increases at the same rate as the economy expands then there would be no more or less utilisation than there is now? In other words the dollar would maintain its current value. You&#8217;d be better off because you had some productivity growth and older goods would be cheaper because of new replacements but no more or less purchasing power per dollar. If there were more dollars in circulation without corresponding productivity growth you&#8217;d be nominally better off because you had more dollars in the hand but in fact each dollar is worth less in purchasing power terms. In that sense I don&#8217;t know why central banks tolerate inflation. I can&#8217;t see the benefits. The sticky price effect is a bubble.</p>
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		<title>By: paradigm</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460906</link>
		<dc:creator>paradigm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My appologies NZD.JPY and others. My comment about restricting money supply was with reference to doing so strongly as to remove all inflation, rather than just control it. Attempting to remain at this position for any length of time would lead to a general underutilisation of resources available to the economy. This is presumably why central bankers choose to tollerate a degree of inflation - as it is needed for the efficient utilisation of resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My appologies NZD.JPY and others. My comment about restricting money supply was with reference to doing so strongly as to remove all inflation, rather than just control it. Attempting to remain at this position for any length of time would lead to a general underutilisation of resources available to the economy. This is presumably why central bankers choose to tollerate a degree of inflation &#8211; as it is needed for the efficient utilisation of resources.</p>
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		<title>By: NZD.JPY</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460782</link>
		<dc:creator>NZD.JPY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll shut up soon. The higher interest rates attract foreign demand for the NZD which increases its price from a demand side which is a deflationary pressure. This all subsidises the decrease in productivity and causes those on the receiving end (i.e. those who got wealthier without being productive) to wonder what all the fuss is about. Their house prices have climbed for no extra effort on their part which makes them feel richer and now that they&#039;re used to this wealthy feeling they won&#039;t sell their house for what they&#039;re offered because that would mean they&#039;re not rich after all. In fact they aren&#039;t in real terms, only nominal. They still only own a house which people have done for eons. 

Answer - move to a more productive, frugal country where you can earn loads more and keep it and not subsidise academics who specialise in political science who accuse you of being miserly or greedy when in fact they are the ones who are better off at your expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll shut up soon. The higher interest rates attract foreign demand for the NZD which increases its price from a demand side which is a deflationary pressure. This all subsidises the decrease in productivity and causes those on the receiving end (i.e. those who got wealthier without being productive) to wonder what all the fuss is about. Their house prices have climbed for no extra effort on their part which makes them feel richer and now that they&#8217;re used to this wealthy feeling they won&#8217;t sell their house for what they&#8217;re offered because that would mean they&#8217;re not rich after all. In fact they aren&#8217;t in real terms, only nominal. They still only own a house which people have done for eons. </p>
<p>Answer &#8211; move to a more productive, frugal country where you can earn loads more and keep it and not subsidise academics who specialise in political science who accuse you of being miserly or greedy when in fact they are the ones who are better off at your expense.</p>
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		<title>By: NZD.JPY</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460773</link>
		<dc:creator>NZD.JPY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually having re-read MacDoctors post I no longer agree. Government spending in unproductive areas is probably the main cause of our decline in productivity not inflation. If money supply hadn&#039;t increased then there would have been an even sharper decrease in productivity due to a reallocation away from productive areas (via taxes) but this has been counteracted by an increase in money supply and sticky prices. I.e. when you print more money you actually are richer in the period it takes for the market to fairly reassign value to the dollars in circulation. (Dollars are only a token representing a share in the economy of issue). The government uses this grace period to fund their unproductive spending and get away with it at the expense of savers and the productive sector. Savers are then compensated by an increase in interest rates so the cost falls to the productive sector. That&#039;s why unproductive voters vote for unproductive governments. They don&#039;t carry the cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually having re-read MacDoctors post I no longer agree. Government spending in unproductive areas is probably the main cause of our decline in productivity not inflation. If money supply hadn&#8217;t increased then there would have been an even sharper decrease in productivity due to a reallocation away from productive areas (via taxes) but this has been counteracted by an increase in money supply and sticky prices. I.e. when you print more money you actually are richer in the period it takes for the market to fairly reassign value to the dollars in circulation. (Dollars are only a token representing a share in the economy of issue). The government uses this grace period to fund their unproductive spending and get away with it at the expense of savers and the productive sector. Savers are then compensated by an increase in interest rates so the cost falls to the productive sector. That&#8217;s why unproductive voters vote for unproductive governments. They don&#8217;t carry the cost.</p>
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		<title>By: NZD.JPY</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460766</link>
		<dc:creator>NZD.JPY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use &quot;Cullen&quot; above as a label for governments who overspend in unproductive areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use &#8220;Cullen&#8221; above as a label for governments who overspend in unproductive areas.</p>
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		<title>By: NZD.JPY</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460763</link>
		<dc:creator>NZD.JPY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 08:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mac Doctor except where he agrees with Paradigm.
Paradigm - &quot;As I suggested earlier, increase in price from high demand will inevitably cause labour to demand higher wages....Workers are now paid more for the same production output AND it now costs more for to purchase the same goods, services. In short the value of money has decreased &quot;

This is not inflation with reagrd to the value of the dollar, but only a rise in price for the good in question which is entirely different. 
Like Owen implied if there is greater demand for a good, there must be either a reallocation of preference toward it or some other external means of funding this new preference. The value of money hasn&#039;t decreased in aggregate rather the price of this one good has increased. Paradigm is ignoring the other micro-markets that fall out of preference in order to fund an increase in demand for his rising good.
None of this explains why in aggregate the dollar is worth more or less.

I don&#039;t like Brash&#039;s idea. Why tamper with &quot;legitimate&quot; demand for a good or service because it is in the basket of goods used to measure inflation? (it&#039;s in this basket for good reason though i.e oil has low elasticity of demand and is cruicial for our economic health but even so this basket is only a proxy for inflation). All this does is hide true inflation which I agree comes about entirely because of the amount of $ chasing the amount of goods. Inflation has only been good for Cullen.

Also Paradigm, please back up your assertion that restricting the printing of money will be economic suicide. The answer to the current credit crunch is not to print more money so banks have more to lend. The answer is to properly identify risk and lend accordingly. Highly risky lending is not necessarily good lending just because it has a high yield when it doesn&#039;t default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mac Doctor except where he agrees with Paradigm.<br />
Paradigm &#8211; &#8220;As I suggested earlier, increase in price from high demand will inevitably cause labour to demand higher wages&#8230;.Workers are now paid more for the same production output AND it now costs more for to purchase the same goods, services. In short the value of money has decreased &#8221;</p>
<p>This is not inflation with reagrd to the value of the dollar, but only a rise in price for the good in question which is entirely different.<br />
Like Owen implied if there is greater demand for a good, there must be either a reallocation of preference toward it or some other external means of funding this new preference. The value of money hasn&#8217;t decreased in aggregate rather the price of this one good has increased. Paradigm is ignoring the other micro-markets that fall out of preference in order to fund an increase in demand for his rising good.<br />
None of this explains why in aggregate the dollar is worth more or less.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like Brash&#8217;s idea. Why tamper with &#8220;legitimate&#8221; demand for a good or service because it is in the basket of goods used to measure inflation? (it&#8217;s in this basket for good reason though i.e oil has low elasticity of demand and is cruicial for our economic health but even so this basket is only a proxy for inflation). All this does is hide true inflation which I agree comes about entirely because of the amount of $ chasing the amount of goods. Inflation has only been good for Cullen.</p>
<p>Also Paradigm, please back up your assertion that restricting the printing of money will be economic suicide. The answer to the current credit crunch is not to print more money so banks have more to lend. The answer is to properly identify risk and lend accordingly. Highly risky lending is not necessarily good lending just because it has a high yield when it doesn&#8217;t default.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460758</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paradigm wrote:&quot;Respectfully, I must disagree: As I suggested earlier, increase in price from high demand will inevitably cause labour to demand higher wages. We can then describe the situation as follows: Workers are now paid more for the same production output AND it now costs more for to purchase the same goods, services. In short the value of money has decreased.&quot;

Respectfully, I must disagree. You cant disagree with the definition of inflation, thats simply what it is.

The flaw in your logic is that you are taking a microeconomic concept and agregating it to take a view on the entire economy, it simply doesnt work that way. Most macroeconomics is junk for this very reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paradigm wrote:&#8221;Respectfully, I must disagree: As I suggested earlier, increase in price from high demand will inevitably cause labour to demand higher wages. We can then describe the situation as follows: Workers are now paid more for the same production output AND it now costs more for to purchase the same goods, services. In short the value of money has decreased.&#8221;</p>
<p>Respectfully, I must disagree. You cant disagree with the definition of inflation, thats simply what it is.</p>
<p>The flaw in your logic is that you are taking a microeconomic concept and agregating it to take a view on the entire economy, it simply doesnt work that way. Most macroeconomics is junk for this very reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460757</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 07:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dime wrote: &quot;who controls the printing of money? which govt dept?

how much do they print per year? do they explain why they are printing said amount?&quot;

The Reserve Bank.

You can only control one of two things at once, the money supply or the price of money (interest rate). The RB sets the price of money (just like a Monopolist does) and then prints as much money as is demanded at that price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dime wrote: &#8220;who controls the printing of money? which govt dept?</p>
<p>how much do they print per year? do they explain why they are printing said amount?&#8221;</p>
<p>The Reserve Bank.</p>
<p>You can only control one of two things at once, the money supply or the price of money (interest rate). The RB sets the price of money (just like a Monopolist does) and then prints as much money as is demanded at that price.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460753</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of dealing with immediate inflation as an emergency measure, would this work?

Remove immediately all fuel taxes across all fuel types: excise, RUC, whatever.

Simultaneously commit to funding ALL existant and on-going transport programs from remaining govt revenue.

At one stroke you&#039;ve slashed both govt spending and a significant driver of the CPI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of dealing with immediate inflation as an emergency measure, would this work?</p>
<p>Remove immediately all fuel taxes across all fuel types: excise, RUC, whatever.</p>
<p>Simultaneously commit to funding ALL existant and on-going transport programs from remaining govt revenue.</p>
<p>At one stroke you&#8217;ve slashed both govt spending and a significant driver of the CPI.</p>
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		<title>By: dog_eat_dog</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460704</link>
		<dc:creator>dog_eat_dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MacDoctor, your analysis is spot on, minus one thing: Kiwisaver. Kiwisaver is woefully inflationary - the only way it could not be inflationary is if banks reinvest every single contribution dollar the government gives them in productive capital. They don&#039;t. 

Take a look at some of the finance company ads - one on TV now doing the rounds says &#039;Live the way you want to&#039;. New Zealanders are financially inept and finance companies prey on the weak and ignorant, with promises of instant satisfaction. It amazes me that a leftist government has let this market go largely unregulated with it&#039;s predatory advertisements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MacDoctor, your analysis is spot on, minus one thing: Kiwisaver. Kiwisaver is woefully inflationary &#8211; the only way it could not be inflationary is if banks reinvest every single contribution dollar the government gives them in productive capital. They don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Take a look at some of the finance company ads &#8211; one on TV now doing the rounds says &#8216;Live the way you want to&#8217;. New Zealanders are financially inept and finance companies prey on the weak and ignorant, with promises of instant satisfaction. It amazes me that a leftist government has let this market go largely unregulated with it&#8217;s predatory advertisements.</p>
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		<title>By: MacDoctor</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460660</link>
		<dc:creator>MacDoctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paradigm is absolutely right. The traditional definition of Inflation is &quot;too much money chasing too few goods&quot;. On one side of that equation is the money supply, on the other side is production. In order to prevent inflation, any increase in the money supply needs to be met with a corresponding increase in productivity. This is precisely why government spending is so inflationary, because it tends to be spent on non-productive items, when it is spent on anything other than infrastructure assets. This includes health, education, pensions and welfare, all of which tend to be inflationary (there are productivity gains in health and education but they are low and long-term). Obviously a government has to provide some sort of social infrastructure, and cannot (and should not) avoid spending on these things. However, the massive increase in government spending over the past 9 years, with no productivity gain, is the current main driver of our inflation rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paradigm is absolutely right. The traditional definition of Inflation is &#8220;too much money chasing too few goods&#8221;. On one side of that equation is the money supply, on the other side is production. In order to prevent inflation, any increase in the money supply needs to be met with a corresponding increase in productivity. This is precisely why government spending is so inflationary, because it tends to be spent on non-productive items, when it is spent on anything other than infrastructure assets. This includes health, education, pensions and welfare, all of which tend to be inflationary (there are productivity gains in health and education but they are low and long-term). Obviously a government has to provide some sort of social infrastructure, and cannot (and should not) avoid spending on these things. However, the massive increase in government spending over the past 9 years, with no productivity gain, is the current main driver of our inflation rate.</p>
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		<title>By: paradigm</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460643</link>
		<dc:creator>paradigm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Berend said:
&quot;increase in price due to demand and lacking supply isn’t inflation.&quot;

Respectfully, I must disagree: As I suggested earlier, increase in price from high demand will inevitably cause labour to demand higher wages. We can then describe the situation as follows: Workers are now paid more for the same production output AND it now costs more for to purchase the same goods, services. In short the value of money has decreased.

You are actually correct in that if one was to restrict the money supply, the scarcity of money should counteract inflationary pressures; however to do so would be economic suicide. If money becase scarce businesses and people seeking loans would often be outright turned down. New busnesses would then become difficult to start and current businesses could not finance capital aquisitions. Economic activity would grind to a halt. Currently we tollerate a degree of inflation as it allows the economy to operate efficiently. Draconian control of the money supply could prevent inflation but at the cost of shutting the modern economy down. One would also suffer a problem of knowing exactly how much to restrict the supply of money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berend said:<br />
&#8220;increase in price due to demand and lacking supply isn’t inflation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Respectfully, I must disagree: As I suggested earlier, increase in price from high demand will inevitably cause labour to demand higher wages. We can then describe the situation as follows: Workers are now paid more for the same production output AND it now costs more for to purchase the same goods, services. In short the value of money has decreased.</p>
<p>You are actually correct in that if one was to restrict the money supply, the scarcity of money should counteract inflationary pressures; however to do so would be economic suicide. If money becase scarce businesses and people seeking loans would often be outright turned down. New busnesses would then become difficult to start and current businesses could not finance capital aquisitions. Economic activity would grind to a halt. Currently we tollerate a degree of inflation as it allows the economy to operate efficiently. Draconian control of the money supply could prevent inflation but at the cost of shutting the modern economy down. One would also suffer a problem of knowing exactly how much to restrict the supply of money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460593</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic but &#039;Fiddling&#039; was the closest tag

It appears the Mystery man in Winston Peters life has been exposed !

&quot;Print one thing wrong, sunshine, and I will sue you,&quot; Mr Peters said before hanging up.” http://stuff.co.nz/4608002a19715.html

vintage Peters stuff -excellent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic but &#8216;Fiddling&#8217; was the closest tag</p>
<p>It appears the Mystery man in Winston Peters life has been exposed !</p>
<p>&#8220;Print one thing wrong, sunshine, and I will sue you,&#8221; Mr Peters said before hanging up.” <a href="http://stuff.co.nz/4608002a19715.html" rel="nofollow">http://stuff.co.nz/4608002a19715.html</a></p>
<p>vintage Peters stuff -excellent</p>
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		<title>By: OECD rank 22 kiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460590</link>
		<dc:creator>OECD rank 22 kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Labour conducting a scorched earth policy?

It seems determined to commit economic sabotage.  That&#039;s impressive given all the damage it has already achieved over the last nine years.  New Zealand just keeps on sliding down the OECD ladder.  Don&#039;t people see the falling living standard in New Zealand or are high fuel costs preventing Kiwi&#039;s from travelling overseas and seeing for themselves?

Labour party MP&#039;s should be prosecuted for treason for what they have done to the New Zealand economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Labour conducting a scorched earth policy?</p>
<p>It seems determined to commit economic sabotage.  That&#8217;s impressive given all the damage it has already achieved over the last nine years.  New Zealand just keeps on sliding down the OECD ladder.  Don&#8217;t people see the falling living standard in New Zealand or are high fuel costs preventing Kiwi&#8217;s from travelling overseas and seeing for themselves?</p>
<p>Labour party MP&#8217;s should be prosecuted for treason for what they have done to the New Zealand economy.</p>
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		<title>By: berend</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460585</link>
		<dc:creator>berend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>paradigm, increase in price due to demand and lacking supply isn&#039;t inflation. That&#039;s the whole problem here: with a wrong definition of inflation, any countermeasures will have the famous unintended consequences for which governments are so well-known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paradigm, increase in price due to demand and lacking supply isn&#8217;t inflation. That&#8217;s the whole problem here: with a wrong definition of inflation, any countermeasures will have the famous unintended consequences for which governments are so well-known.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460578</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or are Duckman and PoodleBoy trying to flush the Nats policy re:reserve bank act out before the election so they can attack it?  Probably...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or are Duckman and PoodleBoy trying to flush the Nats policy re:reserve bank act out before the election so they can attack it?  Probably&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: paradigm</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460577</link>
		<dc:creator>paradigm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Berend, respectfully the other posters are correct in the assertion your analysis is flawed. You are quite correct that printing money will cause inflation, however this is NOT the only thing that will cause inflation by any stretch of the imagination. High demand relative to a low supply also causes inflation: If a quantity demanded outstrips the amount available then in the short term, suppliers will sieze the opportunity to make as much money as possible by increasing the price. This will cause some not to buy the good, however this is irrelevant to the supplier until the price gets so high that less goods are demanded than the total available for sale (the supplier will still be able to sell his entire stock until this becomes the case). Hence we establish that increases in demand or decreases in supply both cause a rise in prices; if either occur as a general trend inflation will result.

I take strong exception to the reasoning found in the not pc article:
&quot;If the price of oil goes up, and if people continue to use the same amount of oil as before, people will be forced to allocate more money to oil. If people&#039;s money stock remains unchanged, less money is available for other goods and services, all other things being equal. This of course implies that the average price of other goods and services must come down.&quot;

This is rubbish as it assumes we spend our entire income on consumption and do not save any. What will actually happen (especially to those in the middle class and above) is that the amount of money saved will decrease, the amount spent on consumption will increase. Also in the longer term higher prices tend to increase pressure for wage increases. When wages increase without a corresponding increase in production, more money is given for the same amount of worker output, ie the price of labour increases. This is in its self inflationary, however we should also consider that in order to pay for the wage increase, the employers are forced to increase their prices. Once again inflation happens.

What I think we do need to differentiate between is supply driven inflation, which is caused by increasing scarcity of resources such as oil and demand driven inflation, often caused by cyclic booms in various sectors of the economy and/or the imperfect knowledge of consumers and producers. The latter should be smoothed by the monetary policy, however it may be more efficient to leave the former the way it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Berend, respectfully the other posters are correct in the assertion your analysis is flawed. You are quite correct that printing money will cause inflation, however this is NOT the only thing that will cause inflation by any stretch of the imagination. High demand relative to a low supply also causes inflation: If a quantity demanded outstrips the amount available then in the short term, suppliers will sieze the opportunity to make as much money as possible by increasing the price. This will cause some not to buy the good, however this is irrelevant to the supplier until the price gets so high that less goods are demanded than the total available for sale (the supplier will still be able to sell his entire stock until this becomes the case). Hence we establish that increases in demand or decreases in supply both cause a rise in prices; if either occur as a general trend inflation will result.</p>
<p>I take strong exception to the reasoning found in the not pc article:<br />
&#8220;If the price of oil goes up, and if people continue to use the same amount of oil as before, people will be forced to allocate more money to oil. If people&#8217;s money stock remains unchanged, less money is available for other goods and services, all other things being equal. This of course implies that the average price of other goods and services must come down.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is rubbish as it assumes we spend our entire income on consumption and do not save any. What will actually happen (especially to those in the middle class and above) is that the amount of money saved will decrease, the amount spent on consumption will increase. Also in the longer term higher prices tend to increase pressure for wage increases. When wages increase without a corresponding increase in production, more money is given for the same amount of worker output, ie the price of labour increases. This is in its self inflationary, however we should also consider that in order to pay for the wage increase, the employers are forced to increase their prices. Once again inflation happens.</p>
<p>What I think we do need to differentiate between is supply driven inflation, which is caused by increasing scarcity of resources such as oil and demand driven inflation, often caused by cyclic booms in various sectors of the economy and/or the imperfect knowledge of consumers and producers. The latter should be smoothed by the monetary policy, however it may be more efficient to leave the former the way it is.</p>
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		<title>By: kiki</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/fiddling_with_monetary_policy.html#comment-460575</link>
		<dc:creator>kiki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 11:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not zero income tax.  Taxes on other things like GST, capital gains and a little bit of company tax.  User pays for most things with the government helping the truly poor.

A large part of the problems we and other western nations are in is due (I think) to the ability of the governments to dip into the workers pocket virtually sight unseen and then spend.

This creates a situation where people don&#039;t see a connect between their actions and costs which encourage the government to keep on spending.  This isn&#039;t just things like working for family welfare but also business&#039;s who quietly line up to receive our cash.  If you look around a lot of business groups are starting to put their caps out so the tax payer can subsidize them.  

Where this burble is going is that if the tax system offers little benefit for gains such as claiming tax and projects that need doing are funded by actual charges then money would generally go to where the profit is with out tax distortion, project spending would be constained by the actual return, houses included.  The money just would not be there for the government to give away.

Another factor that no one seems to mention is the extra things that the gov has handed out.  Now as a worker I like flexi-time, four weeks leave, increases in minimum wage and removal of youth rates as well as maternity pay, OSH regulations and equal opportunities but (always a but) I would guess some one has to pay for these things, I can only guess how many percent this all adds to our costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not zero income tax.  Taxes on other things like GST, capital gains and a little bit of company tax.  User pays for most things with the government helping the truly poor.</p>
<p>A large part of the problems we and other western nations are in is due (I think) to the ability of the governments to dip into the workers pocket virtually sight unseen and then spend.</p>
<p>This creates a situation where people don&#8217;t see a connect between their actions and costs which encourage the government to keep on spending.  This isn&#8217;t just things like working for family welfare but also business&#8217;s who quietly line up to receive our cash.  If you look around a lot of business groups are starting to put their caps out so the tax payer can subsidize them.  </p>
<p>Where this burble is going is that if the tax system offers little benefit for gains such as claiming tax and projects that need doing are funded by actual charges then money would generally go to where the profit is with out tax distortion, project spending would be constained by the actual return, houses included.  The money just would not be there for the government to give away.</p>
<p>Another factor that no one seems to mention is the extra things that the gov has handed out.  Now as a worker I like flexi-time, four weeks leave, increases in minimum wage and removal of youth rates as well as maternity pay, OSH regulations and equal opportunities but (always a but) I would guess some one has to pay for these things, I can only guess how many percent this all adds to our costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than a petrol tax, BNZ economist Tony Alexander proposed a fixed mortgage rate levy last year.  In essence, all fixed rate mortgages would be like floating mortgages with increases and decreases set by RB policy.

When the Official interest rate / OCR was first instituted, most mortgages were variable and changed with Reserve Bank pronouncements.   So at the moment the effects of OCR changes take much longer as people take fixed term rates and could be 2-3 years before the rise hits in the pocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than a petrol tax, BNZ economist Tony Alexander proposed a fixed mortgage rate levy last year.  In essence, all fixed rate mortgages would be like floating mortgages with increases and decreases set by RB policy.</p>
<p>When the Official interest rate / OCR was first instituted, most mortgages were variable and changed with Reserve Bank pronouncements.   So at the moment the effects of OCR changes take much longer as people take fixed term rates and could be 2-3 years before the rise hits in the pocket.</p>
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