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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464689</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well folks it looks like a wrap on the inaugural EWO game and what a game it was.

It may well come back sometime. Imagine a Clark and Key election EWO. This has potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well folks it looks like a wrap on the inaugural EWO game and what a game it was.</p>
<p>It may well come back sometime. Imagine a Clark and Key election EWO. This has potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464269</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>33. Make that 33. After what he said about my wife, for which I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; waiting for an apology I&#039;d be only too happy to see the back of that odious little fuckwit. And after reading his comments about disabled people - yeah. The blog would definately be better off without Philip John Mason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33. Make that 33. After what he said about my wife, for which I&#8217;m <i>still</i> waiting for an apology I&#8217;d be only too happy to see the back of that odious little fuckwit. And after reading his comments about disabled people &#8211; yeah. The blog would definately be better off without Philip John Mason.</p>
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		<title>By: Nomestradamus</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464264</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomestradamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip John/Roger Nome

&lt;blockquote&gt;
You’re always pissing away your productive time by simultaneously threadjacking blogs and smearing people that you don’t know. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh sookywahwah.  The most prolific Kiwiblog commenter, who just happens to be the most discredited, doesn&#039;t have anything nice to say about me.  Oh diddums!  Well, Phillip John, I&#039;m not in the slightest bit intimated by your tummy-thumping.  You seem to fling &quot;far-right&quot; around as an insult; if it wets your nappies, I&#039;ll wear it as a badge of honour.

You claim to be a better person than me.  I&#039;ll let others be the judge of that.  Just to help them make up their mind, though, here&#039;s a recent example of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/tony_veitch.html#comment-461694&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bigotted Phillip John&lt;/a&gt; in action (karma -30):

&lt;blockquote&gt;
roger nome Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 10:20 am 
“I have to say I’m pretty sickened by the reports that Tony Veitch assaulted his former partner so badly she was temporarily in a wheelchair”
Typical right wing rugby head. No surprise here.
&lt;b&gt;[DPF: 30 demerits for politicising the thread and trying to smear all right wingers. Nice to see how you operate]&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow!  I think that&#039;s a case of Phillip John pissing away his non-productive time by simultaneously threadjacking blogs and smearing people that he doesn&#039;t know.  Hoist by your own petard, loser!

Feel free to provide a comment of mine that even comes close to that level of bigotry.  But I know you can&#039;t.  Diddums!

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Wrong. There was no waiting. I never wait to have a laugh at your expense POC - the “supa dupa rich lawyer guy” who spends his days trawling the internet looking for ways to threadjack blogs by entering into petty personal disputes.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t see anyone laughing with you, Phillip John, but &lt;b&gt;at&lt;/b&gt; you.

The reason you get negative karma, Phillip John, is because you&#039;re a bitter and twisted troll.  I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/owen_glenn_did_donate_to_nz_first.html#comment-463421&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DPF&lt;/a&gt; summarised the position very well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
David Farrar 
July 12th, 2008 at 11:40 am 

&lt;b&gt;I am thinking seriously of banning Roger Nome. I am slowly starting to realise he is here only to troll. The lefties who are genuine are always welcome. JafaPete is a great example of that. But really it is becoming obvious Roger Nome is here just to disrupt and divert. His trivialisation of NZ First’s apparent actions is not a position anyone could hold in good faith.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Note the karma on that comment: +32!  So that&#039;s at least 32 Kiwiblog readers who&#039;d like to see you banned.  I think the laugh is on you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip John/Roger Nome</p>
<blockquote><p>
You’re always pissing away your productive time by simultaneously threadjacking blogs and smearing people that you don’t know.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh sookywahwah.  The most prolific Kiwiblog commenter, who just happens to be the most discredited, doesn&#8217;t have anything nice to say about me.  Oh diddums!  Well, Phillip John, I&#8217;m not in the slightest bit intimated by your tummy-thumping.  You seem to fling &#8220;far-right&#8221; around as an insult; if it wets your nappies, I&#8217;ll wear it as a badge of honour.</p>
<p>You claim to be a better person than me.  I&#8217;ll let others be the judge of that.  Just to help them make up their mind, though, here&#8217;s a recent example of <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/tony_veitch.html#comment-461694" rel="nofollow">bigotted Phillip John</a> in action (karma -30):</p>
<blockquote><p>
roger nome Says:<br />
July 8th, 2008 at 10:20 am<br />
“I have to say I’m pretty sickened by the reports that Tony Veitch assaulted his former partner so badly she was temporarily in a wheelchair”<br />
Typical right wing rugby head. No surprise here.<br />
<b>[DPF: 30 demerits for politicising the thread and trying to smear all right wingers. Nice to see how you operate]</b>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow!  I think that&#8217;s a case of Phillip John pissing away his non-productive time by simultaneously threadjacking blogs and smearing people that he doesn&#8217;t know.  Hoist by your own petard, loser!</p>
<p>Feel free to provide a comment of mine that even comes close to that level of bigotry.  But I know you can&#8217;t.  Diddums!</p>
<blockquote><p>
Wrong. There was no waiting. I never wait to have a laugh at your expense POC &#8211; the “supa dupa rich lawyer guy” who spends his days trawling the internet looking for ways to threadjack blogs by entering into petty personal disputes.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t see anyone laughing with you, Phillip John, but <b>at</b> you.</p>
<p>The reason you get negative karma, Phillip John, is because you&#8217;re a bitter and twisted troll.  I think <a href="http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/owen_glenn_did_donate_to_nz_first.html#comment-463421" rel="nofollow">DPF</a> summarised the position very well:</p>
<blockquote><p>
David Farrar<br />
July 12th, 2008 at 11:40 am </p>
<p><b>I am thinking seriously of banning Roger Nome. I am slowly starting to realise he is here only to troll. The lefties who are genuine are always welcome. JafaPete is a great example of that. But really it is becoming obvious Roger Nome is here just to disrupt and divert. His trivialisation of NZ First’s apparent actions is not a position anyone could hold in good faith.</b>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Note the karma on that comment: +32!  So that&#8217;s at least 32 Kiwiblog readers who&#8217;d like to see you banned.  I think the laugh is on you!</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464254</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>roger: &quot;...around 25% of potential voters are still undecided...&quot;

That&#039;s great news roger, for Emeritus Professor Keith Chapman developed a predictive model for elections in which the main predictor was the size of the undecided vote. The larger that was, the bigger the swing against the incumbent govt. I&#039;ve monitored that for six elections now and it has legs.

Oh dear.

Phil it&#039;s a shame you appear to have such a cynical mindset. See my first thought on Brian&#039;s interesting comment was how did Brian do that without counting? Maybe he used some code, I know one thing, he didn&#039;t count them by hand. OTOH phil, you leapt straight into speculation about the personal traits of someone I presume you&#039;ve never met. Which is often risky if accuracy of understanding is the objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>roger: &#8220;&#8230;around 25% of potential voters are still undecided&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s great news roger, for Emeritus Professor Keith Chapman developed a predictive model for elections in which the main predictor was the size of the undecided vote. The larger that was, the bigger the swing against the incumbent govt. I&#8217;ve monitored that for six elections now and it has legs.</p>
<p>Oh dear.</p>
<p>Phil it&#8217;s a shame you appear to have such a cynical mindset. See my first thought on Brian&#8217;s interesting comment was how did Brian do that without counting? Maybe he used some code, I know one thing, he didn&#8217;t count them by hand. OTOH phil, you leapt straight into speculation about the personal traits of someone I presume you&#8217;ve never met. Which is often risky if accuracy of understanding is the objective.</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464239</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..Interesting fact. In Philu’s posts in this thread to date there are 7,654 full stops and miscellaneous punctuation marks. Must be a record..&quot;

brian..brian..you counted..?

i..i&#039;m &#039;touched&#039;..

you..you..care..!

um..!..have you thought of macrame..?..y&#039;know..!..as a hobby..?

it&#039;s obvious detailed/counting type work is your forte..brian..

are you an accountant..?

or do you put little widgets together..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..Interesting fact. In Philu’s posts in this thread to date there are 7,654 full stops and miscellaneous punctuation marks. Must be a record..&#8221;</p>
<p>brian..brian..you counted..?</p>
<p>i..i&#8217;m &#8216;touched&#8217;..</p>
<p>you..you..care..!</p>
<p>um..!..have you thought of macrame..?..y&#8217;know..!..as a hobby..?</p>
<p>it&#8217;s obvious detailed/counting type work is your forte..brian..</p>
<p>are you an accountant..?</p>
<p>or do you put little widgets together..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464186</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting fact.  In Philu&#039;s posts in this thread to date there are 7,654 full stops and miscellaneous punctuation marks.  Must be a record.

Rogered nome &quot;ad whatever else it is that pricks like you do with their spare cash/time.&quot;

As a matter of interest what do bludging socialists do with their free time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting fact.  In Philu&#8217;s posts in this thread to date there are 7,654 full stops and miscellaneous punctuation marks.  Must be a record.</p>
<p>Rogered nome &#8220;ad whatever else it is that pricks like you do with their spare cash/time.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a matter of interest what do bludging socialists do with their free time?</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464182</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>POC

&quot;tell me where your support base is&quot;

Well, you&#039;ve got the support of various fanatical right-wing loonies. I&#039;d say having no support base is better than that.

&quot;You’re a total waste of bandwidth and my productive time.&quot;

That&#039;s a bit disingenuous POC. You&#039;re always pissing away your productive time by simultaneously threadjacking blogs and smearing people that you don&#039;t know. Think about it, you could be away at a tropical resort, pissing beach goers off with your obnoxiously loud, rented jet-ski, being a condescending arsehol to the waiters and cleaners at your hotel, and whatever else it is that pricks like you do with their spare cash/time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POC</p>
<p>&#8220;tell me where your support base is&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, you&#8217;ve got the support of various fanatical right-wing loonies. I&#8217;d say having no support base is better than that.</p>
<p>&#8220;You’re a total waste of bandwidth and my productive time.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a bit disingenuous POC. You&#8217;re always pissing away your productive time by simultaneously threadjacking blogs and smearing people that you don&#8217;t know. Think about it, you could be away at a tropical resort, pissing beach goers off with your obnoxiously loud, rented jet-ski, being a condescending arsehol to the waiters and cleaners at your hotel, and whatever else it is that pricks like you do with their spare cash/time.</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464174</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>POC- Where&#039;s the love song? It&#039;s a satirical piece, which caricatures people like you, who come from a very sheltered and privileged background, and just lack character and a realistic view of society because of it (thus your far-right views). Though of course, it&#039;s hardly surprising that you lack the self-consciousness to be cognisant of these things.

&quot;That’s why you always get negative karma here.&quot;

From what i&#039;ve seen, anyone who posts from a left-wing perspective gets negative karma here. I have seen D4J get upwards of 30 positive karma points though. Yep, kiwiblog, the ultiamte arbiter of an argument&#039;s veracity! :-)

&quot;Phillip John waits until the threads come to the end of the road before piping up.&quot;

Wrong. There was no waiting. I never wait to have a laugh at your expense POC - the &quot;supa dupa rich lawyer guy&quot; who spends his days trawling the internet looking for ways to threadjack blogs by entering into petty personal disputes.

I would have thought you&#039;d find something interesting to do with all that money. Or are you just so bored/boring that you&#039;ve got nothing better to do? Kind of sad when you think about it like that hey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POC- Where&#8217;s the love song? It&#8217;s a satirical piece, which caricatures people like you, who come from a very sheltered and privileged background, and just lack character and a realistic view of society because of it (thus your far-right views). Though of course, it&#8217;s hardly surprising that you lack the self-consciousness to be cognisant of these things.</p>
<p>&#8220;That’s why you always get negative karma here.&#8221;</p>
<p>From what i&#8217;ve seen, anyone who posts from a left-wing perspective gets negative karma here. I have seen D4J get upwards of 30 positive karma points though. Yep, kiwiblog, the ultiamte arbiter of an argument&#8217;s veracity! <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Phillip John waits until the threads come to the end of the road before piping up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong. There was no waiting. I never wait to have a laugh at your expense POC &#8211; the &#8220;supa dupa rich lawyer guy&#8221; who spends his days trawling the internet looking for ways to threadjack blogs by entering into petty personal disputes.</p>
<p>I would have thought you&#8217;d find something interesting to do with all that money. Or are you just so bored/boring that you&#8217;ve got nothing better to do? Kind of sad when you think about it like that hey?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Starr</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464163</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread has to be the biggest bitch slapping of all time. Philu gets his arse handed to him – (and Roger Bigot jumps in to cop a feel)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread has to be the biggest bitch slapping of all time. Philu gets his arse handed to him – (and Roger Bigot jumps in to cop a feel)</p>
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		<title>By: Nomestradamus</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464160</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomestradamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
(and have you noticed that peoples’ eyes glaze over when you attempt to engage them in commercial law/management ’small talk’..)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, Phil, read back the thread and tell me where your support base is - apart from the highly discredited Phillip John.  Go on.  Chop chop.

*Yawn*
I can&#039;t be bothered dealing with you anymore.  You&#039;re a total waste of bandwidth and my productive time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil:</p>
<blockquote><p>
(and have you noticed that peoples’ eyes glaze over when you attempt to engage them in commercial law/management ’small talk’..)
</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, Phil, read back the thread and tell me where your support base is &#8211; apart from the highly discredited Phillip John.  Go on.  Chop chop.</p>
<p>*Yawn*<br />
I can&#8217;t be bothered dealing with you anymore.  You&#8217;re a total waste of bandwidth and my productive time.</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464158</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 04:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the thing is..boring lawyer guy..

..is that you just &#039;don&#039;t get it&#039;..eh..?

..and people like you..never ever will..&#039;get it&#039;..

..face it..!..tis&#039; your cross to bear..!

and ..stop howling into the void/darkness that surrounds you..

(it&#039;s very undignified..eh..?..)

and just accept your lot..

we know you &#039;don&#039;t understand..&#039;do you mr jones..?&#039;

or..you could..say it loud..!..say it proud..!

&#039;i&#039;m a bore..!.....and now i will follow with a long explanation /my qualifications to be considered a &#039;bore&#039;..

(and have you noticed that peoples&#039; eyes glaze over when you attempt to engage them in commercial law/management &#039;small talk&#039;..)

&#039;listen to&#039; these hints/messages..eh..?

(and you do have our &#039;sympathies&#039;..eh..?..at the &#039;load&#039;/boredom curse you must carry..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the thing is..boring lawyer guy..</p>
<p>..is that you just &#8216;don&#8217;t get it&#8217;..eh..?</p>
<p>..and people like you..never ever will..&#8217;get it&#8217;..</p>
<p>..face it..!..tis&#8217; your cross to bear..!</p>
<p>and ..stop howling into the void/darkness that surrounds you..</p>
<p>(it&#8217;s very undignified..eh..?..)</p>
<p>and just accept your lot..</p>
<p>we know you &#8216;don&#8217;t understand..&#8217;do you mr jones..?&#8217;</p>
<p>or..you could..say it loud..!..say it proud..!</p>
<p>&#8216;i&#8217;m a bore..!&#8230;..and now i will follow with a long explanation /my qualifications to be considered a &#8216;bore&#8217;..</p>
<p>(and have you noticed that peoples&#8217; eyes glaze over when you attempt to engage them in commercial law/management &#8216;small talk&#8217;..)</p>
<p>&#8216;listen to&#8217; these hints/messages..eh..?</p>
<p>(and you do have our &#8216;sympathies&#8217;..eh..?..at the &#8216;load&#8217;/boredom curse you must carry..)</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: Nomestradamus</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464142</link>
		<dc:creator>Nomestradamus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 03:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip John/Roger Nome:

Oh my goodness - a whole comment dedicated to me!  And funny how Phillip John waits until the threads come to the end of the road before piping up.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
yeah, it certainly has been noted before phil U. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh really?  Who, apart from you and Phil, have a problem with my contributions to Kiwiblog?  Names and evidence please.

And look, I&#039;m blessed with one of Phillip John&#039;s love song ditties!  Such a badge of honour - Deity Nigel will be impressed!  The point seems to be to mock my educational credentials.  And it&#039;s all empty rhetoric - which is disappointing, Phillip John, as you aspire to be a &quot;high-paid academic&quot;.  Remember saying that?

What grates you, Phillip John, is your credibility on Kiwiblog has been shot to pieces so many times.  That&#039;s why you always get negative karma here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip John/Roger Nome:</p>
<p>Oh my goodness &#8211; a whole comment dedicated to me!  And funny how Phillip John waits until the threads come to the end of the road before piping up.</p>
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yeah, it certainly has been noted before phil U.
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<p>Oh really?  Who, apart from you and Phil, have a problem with my contributions to Kiwiblog?  Names and evidence please.</p>
<p>And look, I&#8217;m blessed with one of Phillip John&#8217;s love song ditties!  Such a badge of honour &#8211; Deity Nigel will be impressed!  The point seems to be to mock my educational credentials.  And it&#8217;s all empty rhetoric &#8211; which is disappointing, Phillip John, as you aspire to be a &#8220;high-paid academic&#8221;.  Remember saying that?</p>
<p>What grates you, Phillip John, is your credibility on Kiwiblog has been shot to pieces so many times.  That&#8217;s why you always get negative karma here.</p>
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		<title>By: Manolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464076</link>
		<dc:creator>Manolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Greens are like the battered spouse always coming back for more!”

True.  But they do it because the NZ Greens are also moles from the left prepared to to do whatever it takes to subvert democracy from within.  They have flexible principles and always operate fifth-colum style.

It&#039;s appeal to the young, naive, Luddites, unreformed old-hippies, and academics on the grounds of environmentalistm is a facade hiding the true socialist ideology they profess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Greens are like the battered spouse always coming back for more!”</p>
<p>True.  But they do it because the NZ Greens are also moles from the left prepared to to do whatever it takes to subvert democracy from within.  They have flexible principles and always operate fifth-colum style.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s appeal to the young, naive, Luddites, unreformed old-hippies, and academics on the grounds of environmentalistm is a facade hiding the true socialist ideology they profess.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464074</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger Nome: &lt;i&gt;The electoral system has been gerrymandered in the right’s favour for almost all of the last 100 years (i.e. FPP and “the country vote”), time for the left to have their turn I reckon!&lt;/i&gt;

Philip John Mason, willing to justify anything for the Party. At least it provides some context. The next time you bleat on about transparency in elections, fairness and so forth it would be good to remember that you are willing to manipulate elections to get the result you want - as long as it&#039;s your side.

So why the pretense of being objective and honest? Why not simply adopt your partisan colours Philip John? You&#039;ve been known as a partisan hack for so long now, why not just admit it? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Nome: <i>The electoral system has been gerrymandered in the right’s favour for almost all of the last 100 years (i.e. FPP and “the country vote”), time for the left to have their turn I reckon!</i></p>
<p>Philip John Mason, willing to justify anything for the Party. At least it provides some context. The next time you bleat on about transparency in elections, fairness and so forth it would be good to remember that you are willing to manipulate elections to get the result you want &#8211; as long as it&#8217;s your side.</p>
<p>So why the pretense of being objective and honest? Why not simply adopt your partisan colours Philip John? You&#8217;ve been known as a partisan hack for so long now, why not just admit it? <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464067</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 01:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing that&#039;s been overlooked on this thread is that around 25% of potential voters are still undecided as to who they&#039;ll vote vote for. Then there&#039;s the overseas votes, which always favour the left. It&#039;s just impossible to predict a result at this stage, though I&#039;d say a Labour lead government would be odds-on if Labour were to follow McCarten&#039;s advice. There would doubtlessly be a backlash in the media because of the use of gerrymandering, but I don&#039;t see that this would necessarily hurt the government in any material way. 

The electoral system has been gerrymandered in the right&#039;s favour for almost all of the last 100 years (i.e. FPP and &quot;the country vote&quot;), time for the left to have their turn I reckon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing that&#8217;s been overlooked on this thread is that around 25% of potential voters are still undecided as to who they&#8217;ll vote vote for. Then there&#8217;s the overseas votes, which always favour the left. It&#8217;s just impossible to predict a result at this stage, though I&#8217;d say a Labour lead government would be odds-on if Labour were to follow McCarten&#8217;s advice. There would doubtlessly be a backlash in the media because of the use of gerrymandering, but I don&#8217;t see that this would necessarily hurt the government in any material way. </p>
<p>The electoral system has been gerrymandered in the right&#8217;s favour for almost all of the last 100 years (i.e. FPP and &#8220;the country vote&#8221;), time for the left to have their turn I reckon!</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464050</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and isn’t that lawyer guy fucken boring..?&quot;

yeah, it certainly has been noted before phil U. He reminds me of this blur song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQhLtd58Jxc

&lt;blockquote&gt;Educated the expensive way
He knows his claret from his beaujolais
I think hed like to have been ronnie kray
But then nature didnt make him that way

He went....

He thinks his educated airs
Those family shares
Will protect him
That well respect him
He moves in circles of friends
Who just pretend
That they like him
He does the same to them
And when you put it all together
Theres the model of a charmless man

He knows the swingers and their cavalry
Says he can get in anywhere for free
I began to go a little cross-eyed
And from this charmless man I just had to hide

He talks at speed
He gets nose bleeds
He doesnt see
His days are tumbling
Down upon him
And yet he tries so hard to please
Hes just so keen
For you to listen
But no-ones listening
And when you put it all together
Theres the model of a charmless man&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Kind of nails him don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and isn’t that lawyer guy fucken boring..?&#8221;</p>
<p>yeah, it certainly has been noted before phil U. He reminds me of this blur song.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQhLtd58Jxc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQhLtd58Jxc</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Educated the expensive way<br />
He knows his claret from his beaujolais<br />
I think hed like to have been ronnie kray<br />
But then nature didnt make him that way</p>
<p>He went&#8230;.</p>
<p>He thinks his educated airs<br />
Those family shares<br />
Will protect him<br />
That well respect him<br />
He moves in circles of friends<br />
Who just pretend<br />
That they like him<br />
He does the same to them<br />
And when you put it all together<br />
Theres the model of a charmless man</p>
<p>He knows the swingers and their cavalry<br />
Says he can get in anywhere for free<br />
I began to go a little cross-eyed<br />
And from this charmless man I just had to hide</p>
<p>He talks at speed<br />
He gets nose bleeds<br />
He doesnt see<br />
His days are tumbling<br />
Down upon him<br />
And yet he tries so hard to please<br />
Hes just so keen<br />
For you to listen<br />
But no-ones listening<br />
And when you put it all together<br />
Theres the model of a charmless man</p></blockquote>
<p>Kind of nails him don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: roger nome</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-464046</link>
		<dc:creator>roger nome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; agree with Matt that the Greens are guaranteed to go with Labour despite their protestations. They’re like the battered spouse always coming back for more!&quot;

Well, if Labour are wife beaters, then I dare say National are prospective murder-rapists! Which would you choose DPF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; agree with Matt that the Greens are guaranteed to go with Labour despite their protestations. They’re like the battered spouse always coming back for more!&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, if Labour are wife beaters, then I dare say National are prospective murder-rapists! Which would you choose DPF?</p>
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		<title>By: Chicken Little</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-463928</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicken Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just keep on giving phule. 

On this thread you have had your arse handed to you, as noted by several commenters.

Now, if several other commenters jump on here and say they don&#039;t think you&#039;ve had your arse handed to you then I shall dutifully canvas the archives of this site to find one of the many examples of you being a dickhead. Other than that happening we&#039;ll just let public opinion stand shall we?

I notice you still haven&#039;t give any answer to Nomestradamus as to your achievements and profession phule. Wonder why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just keep on giving phule. </p>
<p>On this thread you have had your arse handed to you, as noted by several commenters.</p>
<p>Now, if several other commenters jump on here and say they don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve had your arse handed to you then I shall dutifully canvas the archives of this site to find one of the many examples of you being a dickhead. Other than that happening we&#8217;ll just let public opinion stand shall we?</p>
<p>I notice you still haven&#8217;t give any answer to Nomestradamus as to your achievements and profession phule. Wonder why?</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-463927</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phools little nappy wetting outbursts a just a taste of how his idol is going to go off come election night when we fire sorry ass. 

She and the drug abuser are going to go spastic on the conspiracy express after that.

Shame no one will give a crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phools little nappy wetting outbursts a just a taste of how his idol is going to go off come election night when we fire sorry ass. </p>
<p>She and the drug abuser are going to go spastic on the conspiracy express after that.</p>
<p>Shame no one will give a crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/mccarten_on_how_labour_can_win.html#comment-463925</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil. This entire fucking thread shows you making a complete idiot of yourself. We can&#039;t help it that you&#039;re too doped up on marijuana, P or whatever your drug of choice is today to notice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil. This entire fucking thread shows you making a complete idiot of yourself. We can&#8217;t help it that you&#8217;re too doped up on marijuana, P or whatever your drug of choice is today to notice.</p>
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