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	<title>Comments on: NZ Bloggers Union</title>
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		<title>By: President Loudmouth</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467239</link>
		<dc:creator>President Loudmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 12:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you to all my members for your many questions and suggestions. Our agenda isn&#039;t hidden, we will collectively fight as one voice for the 2008 election - on the direct whims of your executive, who have no obligation to follow members wishes.  This was decided during our IGM, which we already had - in which plenty of alcohol was consumed. 

Tane - we especially look forward to representing you as we have been made aware you enjoy compulsion and unionism. 

I understand, like the rest of the world, that compulsion does mean we may misrepresent our members wishes now and then, but like our brothers and sisters in NZUSA and member unions, they seem to see past that - and we shall as well.

Love and regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to all my members for your many questions and suggestions. Our agenda isn&#8217;t hidden, we will collectively fight as one voice for the 2008 election &#8211; on the direct whims of your executive, who have no obligation to follow members wishes.  This was decided during our IGM, which we already had &#8211; in which plenty of alcohol was consumed. </p>
<p>Tane &#8211; we especially look forward to representing you as we have been made aware you enjoy compulsion and unionism. </p>
<p>I understand, like the rest of the world, that compulsion does mean we may misrepresent our members wishes now and then, but like our brothers and sisters in NZUSA and member unions, they seem to see past that &#8211; and we shall as well.</p>
<p>Love and regards.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467201</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many members makes a quorum for any meeting?  And if we don&#039;t have a quorum, are we still permitted free drinks courtesy of the bloggers union fees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many members makes a quorum for any meeting?  And if we don&#8217;t have a quorum, are we still permitted free drinks courtesy of the bloggers union fees?</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467136</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheres the HQ and is there a handy set up point for a trebuchet within 200 meteres?

I wish to register a &quot;vote&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheres the HQ and is there a handy set up point for a trebuchet within 200 meteres?</p>
<p>I wish to register a &#8220;vote&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Political Busker</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467100</link>
		<dc:creator>Political Busker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me,

Is this where I ask about special rates for triple dipping or double time for introspecting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me,</p>
<p>Is this where I ask about special rates for triple dipping or double time for introspecting?</p>
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		<title>By: davidp</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467050</link>
		<dc:creator>davidp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a member of this union, I&#039;m wondering...

Does one of our office holders automatically get to be a Labour Party vice president?

And will we be bypassing the EFA by running an advertising campaign on behalf of the Labour Party while pretending that the union&#039;s and Labour&#039;s advertising messages are identical because of some freaky coincidence, and are not even slightly due to our president being their vice-president and a Labour Party candidate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of this union, I&#8217;m wondering&#8230;</p>
<p>Does one of our office holders automatically get to be a Labour Party vice president?</p>
<p>And will we be bypassing the EFA by running an advertising campaign on behalf of the Labour Party while pretending that the union&#8217;s and Labour&#8217;s advertising messages are identical because of some freaky coincidence, and are not even slightly due to our president being their vice-president and a Labour Party candidate?</p>
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		<title>By: gd</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467046</link>
		<dc:creator>gd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to see the Winding Up clause of the NZ Bloggers Union.

Hopefully it will state that upon a petition of one or more of the RIGHTWING members the LEFTWING members can be terminated with etxreme and I do mean extreme prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to see the Winding Up clause of the NZ Bloggers Union.</p>
<p>Hopefully it will state that upon a petition of one or more of the RIGHTWING members the LEFTWING members can be terminated with etxreme and I do mean extreme prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: Michaels</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467011</link>
		<dc:creator>Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All sounds very fair to me.
Now pay your dues David and remember..... bend over and get shafted on a whim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All sounds very fair to me.<br />
Now pay your dues David and remember&#8230;.. bend over and get shafted on a whim.</p>
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		<title>By: bharmer</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467008</link>
		<dc:creator>bharmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you think about it, we could set up a compulsory union of voters. You won&#039;t have to register (just think how much advertising expenditure this alone would save), and we are happy to represent you regardless of your political persuasion, religious conviction, convictions for other crimes, sexual orientation, etc. We will represent you all. You won&#039;t have to worry about anything ever again, we will do it all for you. We won&#039;t bother to set up exemption processes, because so few of you will be allowed out that it won&#039;t make any difference anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you think about it, we could set up a compulsory union of voters. You won&#8217;t have to register (just think how much advertising expenditure this alone would save), and we are happy to represent you regardless of your political persuasion, religious conviction, convictions for other crimes, sexual orientation, etc. We will represent you all. You won&#8217;t have to worry about anything ever again, we will do it all for you. We won&#8217;t bother to set up exemption processes, because so few of you will be allowed out that it won&#8217;t make any difference anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: boomtownprat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467007</link>
		<dc:creator>boomtownprat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tane said

&quot;I’m not too worried, like all compulsory unions the NZ Bloggers Union will suffer from a lack of membership buy-in and eventually collapse under its own weight when confronted with a challenge.

I suggest we vote to make it voluntary at the Initial General Meeting, though of course we reserve the right to negotiate a bargaining fee for non-members who wish to benefit from any gains we make as a collective.

Rob, I/S, etc, what do you reckon?&quot;


What is this! Is this an official leak from the 9th floor.............Labour supports Voluntary Student Union Membership!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tane said</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m not too worried, like all compulsory unions the NZ Bloggers Union will suffer from a lack of membership buy-in and eventually collapse under its own weight when confronted with a challenge.</p>
<p>I suggest we vote to make it voluntary at the Initial General Meeting, though of course we reserve the right to negotiate a bargaining fee for non-members who wish to benefit from any gains we make as a collective.</p>
<p>Rob, I/S, etc, what do you reckon?&#8221;</p>
<p>What is this! Is this an official leak from the 9th floor&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Labour supports Voluntary Student Union Membership!</p>
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		<title>By: dave strings</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467005</link>
		<dc:creator>dave strings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they had a type in their promotional material!  Wasn&#039;t that U supposed to be an O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they had a type in their promotional material!  Wasn&#8217;t that U supposed to be an O</p>
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		<title>By: aardvark</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467002</link>
		<dc:creator>aardvark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of NZ&#039;s longest-running bloggers (I was blogging while your dial-up modem was still in nappies) I demand honorary membership or there will be serious trouble! :D  (reaches for launch controller of low-cost cruise missile).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of NZ&#8217;s longest-running bloggers (I was blogging while your dial-up modem was still in nappies) I demand honorary membership or there will be serious trouble! <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   (reaches for launch controller of low-cost cruise missile).</p>
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		<title>By: bearhunter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-467001</link>
		<dc:creator>bearhunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how exactly will they make it compulsory? Will they take your computer away if you don&#039;t cough up? (please let this be true....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how exactly will they make it compulsory? Will they take your computer away if you don&#8217;t cough up? (please let this be true&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-466999</link>
		<dc:creator>Tane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not too worried, like all compulsory unions the NZ Bloggers Union will suffer from a lack of membership buy-in and eventually collapse under its own weight when confronted with a challenge.

I suggest we vote to make it voluntary at the Initial General Meeting, though of course we reserve the right to negotiate a bargaining fee for non-members who wish to benefit from any gains we make as a collective.

Rob, I/S, etc, what do you reckon?

[DPF: I&#039;m afraid the IGM can not make us voluntary - one needs a referendum of all bloggers and a minimum 50% turnout.

It is a very good point about the weakness from lack of membership buy-in but hey as long as people still get forced to fund us, we can survive]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not too worried, like all compulsory unions the NZ Bloggers Union will suffer from a lack of membership buy-in and eventually collapse under its own weight when confronted with a challenge.</p>
<p>I suggest we vote to make it voluntary at the Initial General Meeting, though of course we reserve the right to negotiate a bargaining fee for non-members who wish to benefit from any gains we make as a collective.</p>
<p>Rob, I/S, etc, what do you reckon?</p>
<p>[DPF: I'm afraid the IGM can not make us voluntary - one needs a referendum of all bloggers and a minimum 50% turnout.</p>
<p>It is a very good point about the weakness from lack of membership buy-in but hey as long as people still get forced to fund us, we can survive]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Salmond</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-466997</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Salmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet! When is the (presumably online) Initial General Meeting, when all members who bother to turn up (read: me and probably I/S) have the opportunity to set the fee structure, direct President Loudmouth what he can post on our official collective blog, etc?

[DPF: I&#039;m sorry Rob bot you missed the IGM - it was held before you became a member. It was well advertised on our noticeboard in Thorndon though :-)]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet! When is the (presumably online) Initial General Meeting, when all members who bother to turn up (read: me and probably I/S) have the opportunity to set the fee structure, direct President Loudmouth what he can post on our official collective blog, etc?</p>
<p>[DPF: I'm sorry Rob bot you missed the IGM - it was held before you became a member. It was well advertised on our noticeboard in Thorndon though <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> ]</p>
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		<title>By: PhilBest</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-466992</link>
		<dc:creator>PhilBest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, brilliant. Could this be the germ of a way around any future restrictions on free speech that don&#039;t apply to unions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, brilliant. Could this be the germ of a way around any future restrictions on free speech that don&#8217;t apply to unions?</p>
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		<title>By: jafapete</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/07/nz_bloggers_union.html#comment-466987</link>
		<dc:creator>jafapete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too! I&#039;m in for it.

Do the benefits include indemnity against lawsuits by right-wing political consultants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me too! I&#8217;m in for it.</p>
<p>Do the benefits include indemnity against lawsuits by right-wing political consultants?</p>
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