See if you can’t see that in this case the Israeli’s are not being the good guys, they are being the aggressors, then you’re missing the same thing that appeasers missed in WWII.

According to the NIE Iran is not about to go nuclear, although the people who are aggressive towards Iran have put out more disinformation in relation to that. Some people like you, who are ready to believe, are fooled by that.

You and many others who appear to believe it’s impossible for the US or Israel to do anything wrong and must be supported regardless, have been badly misled in the last 9 years especially, and you really need to adjust your blind loyalties and smell what’s really happened.

Clark has acted outrageously over the last nine years and the only position his administration should be taking is that Clark is persona non grata. John Key will call the shots in three and half months and it is imperative that Clark is not allowed to represent New Zealand in any way or manner. He must pursue a “wither on the vine” policy as regards to Clarks future political ambitions. She can fade away just like David Lange only having achieved less and being more unpopular than him. A fitting end to New Zealand’s most divisive politician of recent years.

As for human rights and this scaby arse government, give me a fucking break, the only rights a leftwing government understand is the right of government to tell the people how to conduct their lives, fuck them and fuck the people that say it is so. Serve the people, the government are our servants not our masters, unless they understand this then we shall not advance as a country let alone a human race..

Riiiight. Actually there was nothing in those “insights” that I have not read in several dozen left-wing authored books, countless articles, and probably thousands of blog comments over the last few years. Nothing new at all – heard it all before. Conventional wisdom in this country for the last 20 years. In a word – boring.

But of course in your world it just has to be you with a hammer and crowbar prying open a fracture in the wall-to-wall pro-American, pro-Israeli attitude of NZ society because you can never be part of the status quo.

Were that possibility ever to be entertained you’d have to wonder if you’re actually just a boring member of the herd bleating the same shit as the rest, a shill, a conformist afraid to speak up against the crowd, possibly a kneejerk reactionary. Nah – that’s just not possible for the likes of you or Riki, or Philu or Sonic or……. You always have to be the outsider, powerless, with few others thinking like you!

Thank you for the compliment Riki but I don’t think I’m too enlightened. I just live in a very small south island town and was driven to the local library by boredom and went from being a left wing something to a anarchist leaning (don’t like big government) something. Horribly I think my rants are a bit of a ego trip but some of the things I read make my mind boil (blogs and books) so I just can’t resist

Cheers

So you would have just stood by and let Adolf process more and more of the people of Europe through his death camps? How admirable. Those who were rescued from certain death by the arrival of the allied army would have a slightly different viewpoint on war to you I would guess, spouting your pathetic piss weak hate America Marxist revisonist bullshit so typical of the left wing academia that have controlled education in the west for the last few decades.

I live about 30 km from a nuclear power plant and I cant say anyone seems particularly concerned about it.’

I basically thought that here in New Zealand, Nuclear power has been discouraged because there would be no justification in keeping power prices high. But an American has told me power bills are relatively equal whether nuclear or conventional.

No point going nuclear.

Kiki,, where are you from, your insights are very enlightenend.

In 1952 Iran had a democratically elected government same as Algeria had in 1991, who organised or supported their overthrow? Pakistan has nuclear weapons along with India neither have signed the non-proliferation treaties and both have been rewarded by the US. Democratically elected Salvador Allende was deposed and murdered by Pinochet, supported by who? There are many unmarked graves (as noted in another comment) scattered around the globe with the bones of idealist who believed in freedom but who were seen as a threat to the cozy status quo

Iran is an interesting example. I didn’t see too many Iranian names among the 9/11 bunch but the west is actually supportive of Saudi getting nuclear facilities? If you take an interest in Iran you would find their biggest problem at the moment is not finding space for the graves of their enemies but unemployment, inflation and a youth that is disgruntled with the religious oppression. The only thing that gets Ahmadinejad voted back again (yes they have elections) is the US threats that allow him a convenient diversion. Did you know that Los Angles is called little Tehran as there are so many Iranians living there yet there were none in the 9/11 (opps sorry for repeating)

Did the iron curtain fall because of an armed attack or was it because the wealth of a free world permeated the barrier and people just got sick of their drab life and oppressive regimes? Is the iron curtain going back up because people want oppressive regimes or the expanding military neighbours trying to push their borders out?

But back to Iran, as a final warning I have it on good authority ( a friends friends brothers sister) that if America attacks Iran the whole gulf region will go up as the Shiites make up a majority in several states and will take it upon themselves to impose majority rule unlike the little undemocratic states that exist with our support that they currently happen to endure.

Also any strike on Iran would have to be BIG (yes I used capitals!!) with over one thousand intense strikes and possible nuclear strikes. If Iran has done nothing but follow the law (which it has mostly) then the US will look very bad and lose all credibility as well as create a great climate of fear around the world this could very well see America isolated and rapidly very poor.

All you war mongers should realise that war is a failure of politics and no war has ever been won just suffered.

I live about 30 km from a nuclear power plant and I cant say anyone seems particularly concerned about it.

This may have escaped Fran and DPF’s attention, but New Zealand is a signatory of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty and this obliges us to uphold the right of Iran to pursue all avenues and benefits of peaceful nuclear technology.

And until someone provides evidence that Iran’s nuclear program is not peaceful and the IAEE admit they have no evidence to the contrary to date – then we are obligated by international law to support Iran.

The last episode showed Persia (Iran) ahnihilate Rome (America) three times. Each time a Roman emperor was executed.

History will repeat.