A vote for Peters is a vote for a Labour Government

August 28th, 2008 at 12:31 am by David Farrar

One News summed things up well last night I thought. They picked up the significance of effectively ruling Peters out. It removes NZ First as a kingmaker who chooses the Government.

They concluded that what this means is that a vote for NZ First is effectively a vote for a led Government.

And if NZ First make 5%, it is almost impossible on current polling for Labour to form a Government, without Winston.

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58 Responses to “A vote for Peters is a vote for a Labour Government”

  1. sagenz (30 comments) says:

    Helen knows it is all over. The reason she keeps backing him is not to retain her kingmaker for the next government. It is so she can get the ETS passed. That stepping ahead of other countries in climate change legislation is designed to get her a big UN job.

    It really is a shame that New Zealand has sunk to such levels. Even Muldoon did what he did out of a genuine but misguided belief he was doing what was right for the country. Clark and Peters are merely in this for their own aggrandisement.

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  2. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    So true.

    What a disgrace to the country both Winston Peters and Helen Clark are.

    At least both of them will be gone on 8 November. That day can’t arrive soon enough.

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  3. adc (595 comments) says:

    conversely, since Helen needs Winston to form a government, Labour voters should consider that a vote for Labour is a vote for Winston in parliament (if he passes the threshold that is).

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  4. entertain-me (15 comments) says:

    Many commentators try to classify Winston but he is essentially in a class of his own. He is the last of the great New Zealand political characters who are “larger than life”. He is a devastating debater with lightning reflexes in the arena of Parliament. Some of his performances are pure theatre, according to even his most vocal critics.

    Winston is a champion of traditional values and a strong supporter of the people’s interests, fighting for them against shonky government and big business. During the 8-year saga of the “Winebox Affair” he fought corporate corruption and tax-dodging at huge personal cost. He was berated and persecuted by the mainstream media and the vested interests of the day who were left licking their wounds when his stand was finally vindicated. He has a particularly soft spot for the old and young, and believes that government has a special obligation to these groups.

    Winston is of Māori and Scottish descent. His iwi affiliations are Ngati Wai and his clan is McInnes. After attending Whangarei Boys’ High School and Dargaville High School Winston studied history, politics and law at Auckland University, graduating BA and LLB before working both as a teacher and a lawyer.

    He was a member of the University Rugby Club in Auckland and captain of the Auckland Māori Rugby team. He also played in the Prince of Wales Cup trials for the Māori All Blacks and played twice in a Māori invitation side. He maintains his interest in sport and his favourite hobbies are reading and fishing.

    Before entering politics Winston led a successful campaign with other members of his Ngati Wai iwi to retain their tribal land in the face of the Labour government’s plan to create coastal land reserves for the public. The result was that virtually no ancestral land was taken by the government of the day in the Whangarei coastal areas, and the initiative helped inspire the 1975 Land March led by Dame Whina Cooper.

    Winston first entered Parliament as National MP for Hunua in 1978. After losing the Hunua seat in 1981 he re-entered national politics as the National MP for Tauranga in 1984. In 1987, he was elevated to National’s front bench, acting as spokesperson for Māori Affairs, Employment, and Race Relations.

    After National won the 1990 election, he became Māori Affairs Minister and developed the Ka Awatea report – a blueprint for Māori development. This was followed by a series of disagreements with the party leadership over economic and foreign ownership policies, culminating in being sacked from Cabinet in October 1991. As a backbencher he remained in National until March 1993 when he resigned from parliament and stood as an Independent in Tauranga, gaining 90.8 percent of the votes.

    Shortly before the 1993 election, Winston established New Zealand First and retained his Tauranga seat and his fledgling party also won Northern Māori. In 1996 the new MMP electoral system delivered 17 seats to New Zealand First including all of the Māori seats. With Winston as Treasurer and Deputy Prime Minister, the party held the balance of power in Parliament and used this to reverse some of National’s unpopular fiscal, health and superannuation policies and introduced new measures including free medical care for children.

    The coalition lasted until Jenny Shipley became prime minister. After a dispute over the privatisation of Wellington International Airport he was sacked from Cabinet again in August 1998, leading New Zealand First back into opposition. The party suffered in 1999 for the rash of party-switching, gaining only 4.3% of the vote, but Winston held Tauranga by a slim margin. This allowed New Zealand First to win five seats. Still in opposition, he continued to promote his traditional policies and pointed out numerous problems and scandals in immigration policies.

    In 2002 Winston campaigned on three main issues – reducing immigration, a tough message on law and order, and ending the Treaty “grievance industry”. New Zealand First won 10% of the vote and 13 seats. Despite not being in government, the party made substantial contributions, including solving the serious dilemma that had emerged over disputed ownership of the seabed and foreshore.

    In 2005, New Zealand First went down to seven MPs after being disadvantaged by National moving into traditional New Zealand First policy areas and launching an all out assault on Tauranga.

    In 2007 Winston was bestowed with the chiefly Samoan title Vaovasamanaia, meaning “beautiful, handsome, awesome, delighted and joyful.”

    Finally, in 2008 Winston Peters will once again become kingmaker.

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  5. adc (595 comments) says:

    yawn @ bore-me

    spare us the verbatim cut and paste from the NZ first website sycophant

    http://www.winstonpeters.com/about

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  6. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Nice bio entertain-me.

    Winston has done his dash, I think even he, master street fighter that he is, must realise that.

    Kingmaker no more.

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  7. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    No more baubles for Winston.

    If both the Green’s and Winston First fail to make it back to parliament, November is going to rock.

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  8. dave (988 comments) says:

    It certainly will rock, the Maori Party will be the third biggest party in Parliament by a long shot, and if enough Green votes go to Labour, the MP could well hold the balance of power.

    But the Greens will get in. And it will poll more in the next poll, just you wait and see…

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  9. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    IF National cannot govern alone which must be Plan A then come on – who hasn’t seen the Nat and MP coalition?

    The Greens are too ‘right on’ to play with ‘the man’ – good ridance to the hair shirted commie sychophants.

    NZF are dead meat.

    ACT will play a good far right foil.

    Labour must be dreading the disabled mess they will be after this election.

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  10. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    What we really need post election is not only a Government of the Future, but an Enquiry into the past.

    NZ Politics has been reduced to Russian style credibility for democracy, governance, and Economic Prowess.

    Moreover we need to pick apart the truth, reality, and consequences of the last 9 years of mis-rule.

    It won’t happen because there is too much to fix right now.

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  11. sagenz (30 comments) says:

    Huge personal cost my arse. He never got presented with any legal bills according to his own testimony. Brian Henry is from a wealthy family and could afford to practice pro bono as far as Peters personally was concerned. As it turns out now whenever Peters could convince someone to donate for his legal fees he had it paid to Brian Henry.

    So he has made an entire career from grandstanding and obfuscation. I used to respect the stands he took over Wine Box, but it appears that was all about grand standing.

    The sooner he is booted out of parliament the better. Rimutaka is now a must win seat for National.

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  12. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,752 comments) says:

    Glutaemus Maximus says at 3:41 am:

    What we really need post election is

    A de-clarkfication process. Society must openly acknowledge the mistakes of the past in order to move on from the trauma of the last nine years. Only by recognising the mistakes of the past can New Zealand avoid repeating them.

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  13. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    But we aren’t allowed to ask the Chinese to tactically nuke WGN OECD – although they would probably see the rationale and the long term benefits.

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  14. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    oops – back in the box ‘far right expat’

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  15. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    What a delightful eulogy for Winston Peters posted by entertain-me at 1:30am. hahaha

    “…A de-clarkfication process. Society must openly acknowledge the mistakes of the past in order to move on from the trauma of the last nine years. Only by recognising the mistakes of the past can New Zealand avoid repeating them.”

    This method is fine on a personal level and for personal issues, but at a national level it’s called social engineering, or more specifically, Treaty Negotiations. It’s what Labour has been attempting for the past 9 years and what everyone hates so much. Just because it’s used by a different bunch of politicians, it doesn’t make it right.

    The best thing is to move ahead constructively, building a strong economy and aptmosphere of success and growth – without a state enforced backward glance. The mood and perspective of the people will shift once they have temporal stability in their jobs and businesses, within their families and feel protected by the justice system. It’s the backward glance that fucks our political policies up. They just won’t look forward. The socialist past will crumble by itself and de-Clarkification will occur naturally because it was not based in truth, and everytime any individual looks back they’ll see the full extent of the wrongness our MMP system brought to this country.

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  16. clintheine (1,571 comments) says:

    Tsk tsk Expat – far right my ass :)

    Entertain_me – you are tripping. Winston has bought trouble for both main parties, killed the National coalition last time and will be part of the whitewash that will wipe Labour out in November. The only king making he will be doing is in Burger King.
    He has spent his life making trouble and yet never winning these so call principled attacks. He will be out of politics and I hope all this creditors and court cases all come at him at once. Maybe after the election when NZF is gone, they can PAY BACK the money they own the taxpayer?

    About time Key! Stick the sword in and twist it all about and don’t change your mind. Keep Peters out of the next National led government.

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  17. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    John Key has done the right thing. he has announced that he will not work with Winston peters post election, unless Peters clears his name over the Owen Glenn fiasco.
    Helen Clark has painted her prevarication as a ‘duty to be fair’ but few are fooled by this high-sounding bullshit – it is evident if this is about fair-play, then her continued employment of Winston is as effective as a sticking plaster over a severed artery.
    And still no election date announcement. Despite the fact we have endured restrictions over what we may or may not legally express since January 2008.
    Yesterday, it was suggested taht Labour must hold on as long as possible before an election as they have lots of legislation to pass first.
    I suggest that the only thing left for Helen Clark (if she wants to appear in possession of any ethical standing) will be to fast-forward the call for an election, it is the only way to blow this particular fiasco from the front pages.
    I thought that given the stacking of important positions with Labour-party ex-MPs and sympathisers would signal they are gearing up for this, coupled with the little things, like the Labour Party website now being chocka with policy announcements, and the judicious application of the ‘secret agenda’ mem now starting to bear fruit.
    The Labour-led Government (with apologies to the EC) is now like the Titanic in the hour after hitting the iceberg. It’s passengers all playing with the ice, on their ‘unsinkable’ vessel, the band in full swing, champagne on tap. While underneath them, the ship is silently shipping water.
    History has proven that when there is a scarcity of lifeboats, Helen Clark, rather than be pushed into the icey waters, will be first to grab one for herself.
    lee.monkeywithtypewriter.clark@gmail.com

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  18. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Hulun will be on the phone to Bananrama right now – Look mate, I know I was a bit hard on you but, on the quiet like, how’d you pull off the coup?

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  19. Al-Girta (60 comments) says:

    Currency trading time. Risk and reward. The capitalist John Key shows the socialist parasites how to operate in the real world.

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  20. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    A quiet word in the ear for someone to check up on.

    Word is the Peters family has not paid their rates on their land up North but the Whangarei mayor wants to keep it hush hush. I guess the mayor does not want to draw attention to the fact that the council rights off hundreds of thousands of dollars in rates because well-to-do maori think they don’t need to pay.

    Now, would that be the same Wayne Brown who Helen has funded into various little jobs like the DHB etc?

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  21. Viking2 (11,488 comments) says:

    Also interesting that on Morning Report key said the other party he wodld rule out is ACT because he does not want to work with a radical like Roger Douglas.
    Two ticks to Act or accept another version of the socialists shacking up with the Maori’s.

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  22. bobux (349 comments) says:

    Viking

    If I recall correctly, there are some special rating exemptions for Maori land held under customary title. If it isn’t generating any income, and Council has no powers to force a sale irrespective of how much is owed in rates, it is wasting everyones time to keep sending rates demands. Not fair, but pragmatic.

    Someone who has worked in this area in the past decade can probably set us straight on this, my recollections are very patchy.

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  23. wreck1080 (3,923 comments) says:

    A vote for the greens is also a vote for labour.

    what a hick-town circus the country has become. outsiders would be laughing their heads off at the monkeys running this country.

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  24. Glutaemus Maximus (2,207 comments) says:

    Shouldn’t the IRd be asking for the relevant information reference potential ‘Gift Tax’ Liability, or would that be classed on the other

    side of the equation as ‘Income Tax’.

    Plus GST on fee notes never raised.

    The mind boggles. Plus Taxes, Plus Penalties.

    Hope that ‘Winston the Ethical’, has some pennies stashed away for a rainy day.

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  25. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    I thik Bobux is correct otherwise there’d be no maori land left!

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  26. Fisiani (1,039 comments) says:

    Watching Parliament yesterday I was irritated by the way John key was questioning Helen Clark. He was not going over the top and fulminating at her. I was disappointed that he was not making much progress. She batted back Keys questions easily and expressed her confidence in Winston, her Foreign Minister. When he announced his plans to ditch Winston it dawned on me that she walked right into his carefully laid trap. What a finesse.
    When JK pulled the plug on Winston she became forever linked at the hip with a man without integrity.
    She made the election National versus Labour/Winston.

    She committed electoral suicide.

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  27. Neil (588 comments) says:

    I write to suggest that this whole disaster,promoted by Peters and aided and abetted by Clark, is going to turn off large sections of the “soft” voters who “have the politicians are hellish” view.
    Talk back radio was awash with the voices of the angry once NZ First and ex-Labor voters last night. They have had a gutsful of the lot.
    The big winner I tip will be the non vote but I see Peter Dunne, who is a typical fence sitter, coming on TV looking so reasonable and “tut tutting” at the major parties, saying Trust us.I believe he will score big with the “soft” fringe National female voters He did that two elections ago !!
    National will win and have coalition with United Future and ACT. I hope that National does not win with over 50% for the sake of the country. As a National supporter I would like to see National get the 50% to implement real change. The good of the country is paramount for a wider government than just National.
    Clark is in a hopeless position, Peters has dragged her down while in the past National has sacked Peters when the going became impossible.
    Peters has blighted NZ politics since he first arrived. Go and don’t come back Mr W.Peters !!!!!!!!!!!

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  28. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    Good grief. Vote for NZ1 = Vote for Labour.

    TVNZ and DPF are saying now what ACT was saying six months ago!

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  29. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    The other side of the coin is a vote for Labour is a vote for a government at the mercy of Winston Peters.

    I think we’ve seen that arrangement before.

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  30. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    If TV1 says that a vote for NZ First is a vote for Labour, have they breached the EFA? :)

    Seriously though, Key has approached this matter in a calm, considered, and ultimately decisive manner. Sure he may not have acted as fast as some would like by making such a statement when this issue began to raise it’s head, but the mechanics of MMP demand a more considered approach.

    We now have a clear, delineated situation. Labour will continue to be tarnished by their continued support of a man who is continuing to be proved by evidence as the person most of us have thought him to be. Key and National have placed themselves at the moral highground that says we will not crave power at any cost, but have done so at a time where it seems most politically safe to do so.

    Labour and Peters continue to paint Key as politically naive. This only serves to illustrate a level of arrogance, particularly on the part of Peters. For we political junkies, this is manna from heaven! H2 must be apoplectic!

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  31. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Key is a smart guy and knows when you are junior (as he is to clark electorally and in the public mind) you need to softly softly catch the tiger.

    He is quite carefully using the ego’ of Winnie and Clark to bring them down.

    No backlash – all ammo supplied by the victims, and thats why Clark hates his guts.

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  32. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    Hey, guys, I wouldn’t get too excited over this, although it does significantly improve the Greens’ negotiating position post-election.

    But I suspect Clark will wait till the Privileges Committee reports, and then cut Peters loose. She is not stupid, and will have learned from the Benson-Pope experience that standing by a Minister who is being economical with the truth is bad for polling. That was the start of Labour’s decline in support.

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  33. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    The dodgy scout master B(aden) P(owell) didn’t hold the balance of power or the office of foreign minister.

    H1 is tarred with the Winnie brush by close association.

    The greens are as likely to hold the balance of power as Sue Bradford is to wax her bikini line

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  34. getstaffed (9,186 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, over at The Slanderard [otherwise know as The Average (Inventory2); The Substandard (anon); The Standardnistas (bobux); The Stranded (Murray); The VDS - Very Double Standard (Lee C); The Heleban (big bruv); The Squandered (Patrick Starr)] …

    … we have Ostrich-style commentary thus: “70 years ago (more or less) and The Standard was correctly predicting a Labour victory as the ‘Nationalists’ ramped up…”

    Oi! Wake up and smell the ashes of impending defeat today … rather than harp on about the past !

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  35. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    It might be worth considering how Winston will fight back now that he is cornered, I do not think for one second that Winston thinks he is finished and in many ways the revelations of yesterday can only help him in his fight to gain 5% of the electoral vote.

    It was suggested on TV this morning that Labour might collapse their vote in Tauranga in an effort to help Winston win an electoral seat but I just cannot see that happening, Labour will need all the votes they can gather and even they will not risk further reminding the voters that they are the ones who want Peters back in the house.

    The reality is that this is a fight Winston has to battle on his own, the question that remains is how will be do it or how can he achieve 5%.

    I predict that he will revert to type, you can expect to see wholesale attacks on Asian immigration, these attacks will be far more vicious and nasty that anything that has gone before, yes he will alienate 95% of the population with these attacks but he will be a magnet for the red neck voter.

    He will also go on an all out offense for the senior vote, expect to see outrageous vote grabbing promises from Winston in the area of pensions and a pandering to the senior vote along the line of “the young people owe the seniors a respectable living and I will deliver that respectability, I will raise the pension to 75% of the average wage”

    We will also see Winston up the claims of persecution and conspiracy, in typical Winston fashion he will use and abuse parliamentary privilege to further his claims of a conspiracy, he will blame big business and “outside forces”.

    As mush as I hate to admit it Winston will still be a part of our next Parliament.

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  36. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    big bruv – out of interest, which city or town do you live in?

    My grass roots feeds say winnie is toast

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  37. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Meanwhile,

    while everyone is going on about whineston peters, no-one but no-one (not the media, not the other pollies, not even the blogosphere) is pressuring the PM to:
    a) define an election date
    b) release any policy
    c) release the Labour List
    d) say or do anything that is not an easy shot at the Nats.

    Am I the only one who thinks he is being manipulated big-time?

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  38. big bruv (13,929 comments) says:

    Expat

    I rather value my anonymity, lets just say that I live in a medium sized rural north Island town, it is currently a safe National seat but the boundary changes will make this seat a hotly contested one.

    Don’t get me wrong, very few would like to see the demise of Winston more than I however I just do not have enough faith in the senior and red neck vote to do what is right.

    Recently I was traveling back from Wellington, early in the morning I stopped for a petrol and a coffee at a BP station, while I was waiting to pay I glanced at a copy of the newspaper, on the front page was a picture of Winston and Condi Rice, an elderly lady noticed me looking and commented that they looked like a “lovely couple”, I replied that one of them was fine and the other was nothing more than a liar and a crook, this elderly lady took offense at my comment and berated me for not supporting Winston as he was “the only honest politician in NZ”

    You just cannot argue with people like that.

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  39. david (2,557 comments) says:

    And another thing,

    when are the naton’s newsrooms going to start looking at the logic of what they breathlessly report and call nonsense for what it is.

    This morning, ZB reported that HC is using the whinestone peters saga to justify repeating her call for state funding of political parties.

    Well, bless her little cotton socks, there is NO COMMONALITY between whinestone’s contempt for the truth, dodgy financing of court cases and general sleaze and either party funding or campaign funding. But no, the newsroom dutifully repeated her presser and logic goes straight out the window to lie in the same pile of detritus as logic, common sense and honour.

    Bah humbug

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  40. david (2,557 comments) says:

    oops, rather a lot of logic in that pile of castouts

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  41. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Recently I was traveling back from Wellington, early in the morning I stopped for a petrol and a coffee at a BP station, while I was waiting to pay I glanced at a copy of the newspaper, on the front page was a picture of Winston and Condi Rice, an elderly lady noticed me looking and commented that they looked like a “lovely couple”, I replied that one of them was fine and the other was nothing more than a liar and a crook, this elderly lady took offense at my comment and berated me for not supporting Winston as he was “the only honest politician in NZ”

    How did she know which one you were referring to?

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  42. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    david, truth is not required in NZ’s version of politics and the media no longer have the capability to think critically or offer real analysis. What you’ll find nowadays is one part fact, five parts opinion, three parts assumption and a dollop of prediction for good measure. You’ll go blue in the face arguing for what is right, how it all should have been done right, from the beginning, by proffesionals who should know better. The horse has bolted, and has a few years headstart on anyone with sensible considered conclusions.
    The only person coming close to publishing journalism these days is Ian Wishart with his TGIF Edition. He still suffers from his ovious bias, but at least he is using six days of the week to find out what is factually correct and writing one story to cover it all, as opposed to a daily that has 17 fifty word articles on the topic, several of them rewrites of previous assumptions and continally factually incorrect.

    I agree that Labour is beign let out of running a campaign by playing with Winston. The MSM haven’t run a policy release story for Labour for months.

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  43. jackp (668 comments) says:

    Labour could be setting a trap for National. Glen Owen is a Labour supporter. Why would he not support labour when he knows nz first is a labour supporter. He could change his letter and say he forgot and Winston was right the whole time. That would leave John Keys open. But like Helen Clark said, the voters will be the judge. She has to go and her corrupt government with her.

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  44. mudmum (31 comments) says:

    I believe I heard on the news last night, WP comment that ‘he wasn’t at the sales at Karaka”. How does that wok, when the news this reports the existence of a photograph of him at that place? Gone, Winnie, gone!
    Congratulations John Key, hopefully, the timing will be perfect.

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  45. jackp (668 comments) says:

    David, the truth has no bearing with the news. Goodgod is right, I am blue but that won’t change things. If you remember, about 4 or 5 years ago, the Engineer, printing and Manufacturer union came out and publicly “declared war” on National. The EPMU make up the written, radio, and tv news. I have made several comments and you are catching on to what the news is doing., Labour will be protected while National will be clobbered with negative headlines. The union is Labour and there is a terrific amount of conflict of interest going on in the news… hope this helps.

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  46. GJ (329 comments) says:

    It is certainly shaping up to be a fascinating election. Don’t leave the country until it is over. I agree you can’t write Winston off yet, he is a master showman and this is part of the challenge. Will people vote for the best show or will they vote for what we need to turn the country around? Time will tell.
    It would not surprise me to see a real swing back to some traditional roots again. It happened in 2002 with UF when they were the 1st to mention family and then proceeded to back away from supporting the traditional family which has been to their demise. And lets face it families are hurting again big time!
    Winston had also been reasonably good on supporting tradition so if he goes there will be a gap to be filled.
    Act is great for the economy and fairly useless on family/tradition. National is suffering from not wanting to rock the boat and is coming across very wishy washy which they need to address. People love and respond to strong leadership.
    I see the family party has done a facelift on their website http://www.familyparty.org.nz and have been working hard to take the Mangere electorate from Labour. With all that is happening I certainly wouldn’t write them off yet.
    It will certainly be a fascinating election and may produce more than a few surprises. The undecided voter percentage remains fairly high. The silent majority in this type of environment will often surprise even the most profound political analyst. I will wait and watch with great interest.

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  47. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Which rock has the member from Ohariu-Belmont been hiding under during the ructions of the past few weeks? Not even a “no comment” Strangely silent one would have to observe.

    Perhaps he is waiting to see which colour smoke comes out of the Privileges Committee chimney before establishing his “long and firmly held opinion”!

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  48. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Random Questions and Answers for the day

    Is the Prime Minister looking forward to hearing Owen Glens explanation of events to the PC?

    No No No Sehe is having nightmares about it

    Why is that?

    Well shes worried he might tell the truth

    And what might that be?

    Well that Mikey offered to guarantee Owen a big Gong for the half million donation?

    And how could Mikey do that?

    Well the PM and Cabinet get to have input on the Honours List

    And what about the Monaco Consulate?

    Well that was the really big prize for Owen

    Why?

    The NZ Consul gets to all the soriees and an intro the really big players to do the business

    So Owen would have been mightily pissed off when Liugi agreed to secure the post in exchange for the hundred K and the PM turned him down?

    You bet See Owen had already stumped up seven and a half million for the naming rights to the four hundred million Auckland Uni Business School

    Then he was asked for the half mill by Mikey and then an extra hundred K by Luigi

    So Owen had parted with a total of eight million one hundred K?

    Exactly

    But wasnt the Gong enough?

    Get real An obscure gong that even kiwis dont understand aint gonna cut the mustard in Monaco they have Dukes and Duchesses there No the prize was always the Consuls job.

    So Owen has every reason for utu against Liugi and the PM?

    Right

    But cant the PM stop him giving evidence to the PC?

    Alas the SIS dont stretch as far as Monaco so an unfortuneate accident is really a bridge to far

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  49. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    entertain-me (13) Add karma Subtract karma –55
    August 28th, 2008 at 1:33 am

    ……………

    DPF, is this a record for negative karma?

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  50. David Farrar (1,899 comments) says:

    Shit I think it might be.

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  51. Retardinator (7 comments) says:

    Aha!!! Entertain-Me must be Dail Jones?! That is the blinded and stupid shit he would do surely?!

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  52. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Hey David ‘just for a laugh’ I just tried to give you a negative Karma after remarks about negatives for ‘entertain-me’ and my computer wouldn’t let me. Censorship! Is this deliberate? Or am I the first to try?
    ps re Glenn, he would do well to check his moorings and make sure there are no slippery surfaces on his boats, given that someone in the Scampi scandal is ‘in fear for his safety’ according to Rodders!

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  53. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    -67 with a lead brick.

    Some staffer desperate for a job by the look of it. Stop pissing about on the net idiot and head for the lifeboats.

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  54. polemic (460 comments) says:

    A vote for Winston = a vote for Labour = a vote for corruption.

    Oh its so good to see this heading – some of us have been chipping away at this same slogan for a very long time.

    Remember I and others put it at the bottom of many postings just like this :

    A vote for Winston First is a vote for Labour!!

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  55. goodgod (1,348 comments) says:

    Clark has just admitted she knew Glenn had donated $100,000 to Peters in February. Clark’s just whistled for National to release the hounds. Wow, if she’s baring her soul voluntarily, Winston must have real dirt on her.

    A vote for Winston or Clark is a vote for secret donations, backroom deals and corruption. Tell me again about transparent processes. Tell me again how wonderful MMP is.

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  56. Nomestradamus (3,344 comments) says:

    entertain-me (13) –69 Says:
    August 28th, 2008 at 1:33 am

    Karma is -69 and sinking like quicksand… or like Winston First’s political credibility :)

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