All about Winston
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:03 am by David FarrarSo many articles, so where to start. First is the Herald editorial on racing:
When Winston Peters was appointed Racing Minister in 2005, he was warmly welcomed by leaders of the industry. “He’s going to be good for racing,” said high-profile breeder Sir Patrick Hogan. Even he, however, may not have realised the degree of beneficence.
To the contrary it is possible the degree of beneficence was precisely known!
Then we have Fran O’Sullivan who calls Peters a coward basically:
If Winston Peters was man enough he would apologise to leading New Zealand political journalists for the outrageous way he attacked them for questioning whether Labour’s major donor Owen Glenn had contributed anonymous funds to New Zealand First.
New Zealand now knows the vile allegations and innuendo that Peters accused journalists of spreading early this year were not that far off the mark. But Peters’ continuing reliance on bravado and counter-punches instead of confronting the real issues means his political reputation is punctured.
Peters actually suggested the NZ Herald had fabricated the e-mail from Owen Glenn.
It’s abundantly clear that Peters’ political interests and those of his party have been served by plenty of cash from wealthy donors, contrary to the public picture he has painted.
The claims he made early this year that New Zealand First had had no big-business backing since its inception have been exposed as fatuous.
Indeed, it is quite possible the NZ First receives a greater proportion of its income from big business than any other party, if you include the Spencer Trust and Brian Henry in the mix.
The cost of the Selwyn Cushing lawsuit has been estimated to be $445,000. Where did the money for that come from?
But unfortunately the Peters donations furore does obscure the real scandal the NZ First leader continues to duck. The party’s refusal to send a cheque to the Crown for the $158,000 in unlawful spending at the 2005 election is breathtakingly cynical.
Doling out this money – which rightfully belongs in taxpayer’s coffers – to a swag of unnamed charities doesn’t cut it for a politician who made his name on challenging commercial malfeasance. He should not be let off the hook.
Indeed. And now John Armstrong:
He answered questions with questions. He deemed questions which he considered outside the committee’s terms of reference to be irrelevant and therefore not to be answered.
It was less the Spanish Inquisition and more like A Game of Two Halves.
As always, everyone else made allowance for Peters’ verbal pugilism – just as the teams on the television sports quiz tolerate Matthew Ridge’s exhibitionism. MPs are so accustomed to Peters’ stroppiness that no one on the committee would have found his behaviour out of the ordinary.
Yet any member of the public delivering the string of insults to committee members which Peters did would have been called to order.
Peters claims of a Spanish inquisition just shows how unused he is to the idea of accountability. He has for 15 years run his party without question. He has secret trust funds which his staff solicit money for, and his party president and deputy leader know nothing about.
He was not bound by the normal laws of politics. He freely broke them without penalty. That has changed – dramatically so in the last month as NZ First has been found to be as solicitous of donations from the wealthy as other parties that it so long accused of being venal and corrupt.
If Peters tries to take the moral high ground again, then laughter is the only appropriate response.
The Dim-Post also sums things up well:
What is interesting about this arrangement is that Brian Henry is a scion of the famous Henry family who, along with the Fletcher’s and the Todd’s, were one of the wealthiest and most influential industrial dynasty’s in New Zealand history. Wikipedia has an extensive entry on the family.
So this is yet another case of Peter’s benefiting from the largese of the super-rich, a group he still claims to be waging a one man war against. There’s no way of knowing the value of Mr Henry’s legal services to Peters over the years but it seems reasonable to assume the amount runs to many hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Winston Peter’s claims to have been the prey of a conspiracy of secretive, elite businessmen but with the New Zealand First leader recieving clandestine donations from Owen Glenn, the Vela family and Sir Robert Jones and free legal services from an industralist heir it looks more and more as if Mr Peters is a member of a covert super-rich conspiracy rather than a victim.
What more can one say?
Related posts:
- What you have to believe in to believe Peters did not know
- Peters has breached the Register Rules
- Clark also damns Peters
- Pathetic
August 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 am
“Winston Peter’s claims to have been the prey of a conspiracy of secretive, elite businessmen but with the New Zealand First leader recieving clandestine donations from Owen Glenn, the Vela family and Sir Robert Jones and free legal services from an industralist heir it looks more and more as if Mr Peters is a member of a covert super-rich conspiracy rather than a victim.”
That’s damn good DIM. Very good. (choke)
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 11:24 am
” There’s no way of knowing the value of Mr Henry’s legal services to Peters over the years but it seems reasonable to assume the amount runs to many hundreds of thousands of dollars. ”
Are these services which somehow bypass GST for tax purposes? Or is voluntary work exempt?
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 12:14 pm
“Are these services which somehow bypass GST for tax purposes? Or is voluntary work exempt?”
Well I seem to recall that Henry does get paid for this work. First he asks wealthy business people to donate directly to him on account of this work. And then apparently Winnie has ‘topped up’ this account to the tune of hundreds of thousands over the years. I would hardly call that voluntary work. Its only voluntrary in the fact he doesn’t send a bill, but he sure is heck is making sure he gets paid somehow.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Everything has been said about Winston that needs to be said. There is no more to say … except perhaps the words of Amery when demanding Chamberlain’s resignation, quoting from Cromwell to the Long Parliament, … You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go.
Although in Winston’s case I can’t think of any good he might have done. Winston First sez it all.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I recall talk at the time that Roger Bhatnagar had made a ‘donation’ towards the costs ($50,000) awarded to Selwyn Cushing. Coincidentally he was made a knight not long after, while Winston was PM. He was in turn nominated for his gong by another beneficiary, Prebble.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Hagues – Henry claimed in his interview with the NBR that he solicits donations to cover his ‘costs’- but his ‘fees’ are voluntary
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 12:55 pm
“Doling out this money – which rightfully belongs in taxpayer’s coffers – to a swag of unnamed charities doesn’t cut it …” says the mock outrage from La O’sullivan.
No word on which ‘charities’ ( the money went to TV companies who arent charities at all) benefited from nationals stealing of $112,000 of public money by not paying the GST
AS for the claim it was a mistake!!
“One email, a month before the election, from Rainmakers to Joyce, warned they would overspend their $900,000 allocation if they continued with their booked advertising. However, the National Party went ahead with it, and as a result received $112,493 in free advertising..”
The Police declined to prosecute since both parties told different stories and blamed each other.
Vote:getting Joyce and rainamkers to the privledges would have been interesting
August 23rd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
“Hagues – Henry claimed in his interview with the NBR that he solicits donations to cover his ‘costs’- but his ‘fees’ are voluntary”
Yeah I read that too, but I thought $100,000 would get you a lot of photocopying.
If Clarkson got awarded $40,000 which no doubt covered all expenses including his lawyers fees. I cannot see why Henry would need $100,000 to cover his ‘costs’ without including any ‘fees.’
If it walks like Bullshit and quacks like Bullshit…
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
GWW go troll somewhere else. FFS we have covered this ad nauseum.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Ross Miller, Cromwell’s entire speech is a GOODIE:
(I got negative karma last time I posted this quote, can anyone explain why?)
Oliver Cromwell, dissolving Parliament in April 20, 1653:
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone!
So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!”
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I usually wake about 4.30 and turn on the radio and listen to talkback, to hear whats happened to the world over night. There were 4 callers in a row, ladys of advanced age ( by the sound of their voices ) all fawning of the Winnie the Wonderful. It was nauseating, I had to arise. I would like to thank Winnie for making the wife and myself early to milk this morning.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Agree, Side show Bob, there have been letters to the editor too, from what seem to be old ladies who think their poor dear Winnie is being unfairly picked on, and of course they wouldn’t dream of not voting for him……..this is depressing.
The same phenomenon really works on an even larger scale for Hulun, only in her case the minimum support level is around 30%, not 5% like it is with Winnie. Note that in some parts of the world, the support level for politicians who are close to indistinguishable from dictators as far as their behaviour is concerned, like, say, Vladimir Putin, enjoy a materially crucial loevel of support. I find it a depressing thought that even a percentage of Kiwis with which I am surrounded, are that morally warped that it is a question just how far Hulun/Winnie would have to go to actually lose their support. Would these Kiwis be blindly/stupidly loyal even to the same extent as Putin’s supporters?
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
PB , yes labours climbing back to the 40% level they have maintained over the last 3 elections.
AS for how low a major party can go ask Bill English , he took national down to just under 21%!
And that was with tax cuts promised !! LOL and Laugh till it hurts
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Ross Miller says:
Perhaps, or perhaps there’s still buried bodies awaiting exhumation. But even if everything has already been said it must be repeated, again and again, ad infinitum at least until polling day. Because as the election approaches those parties with a legitimate agenda will understandably be making a lot of positive noises about themselves. But the electorate mustn’t be allowed to forget the negatives about NZF.
And if that shameful coward Ron Mark stands in Rimutaka, he might just find someone at every public appearance asking whether he’d like to repeat his comments about me when not protected by privilege, or when I can expect my apology.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Rex – could you drop me a line some time – inventory2@gmail.com
Cheers
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
“Yeah I read that too, but I thought $100,000 would get you a lot of photocopying”
I believe the PC have the power to ask any witness for any documents under Standing Orders:
“Powers to call for evidence; Persons, papers and records;The House has extensive powers to call for evidence The House has extensive powers to call for persons, papers and records (evidence). The powers are derived from the Legislature Act 1908, which gives effect in New Zealand law to parliamentary powers operating in the United Kingdom at the time the act was passed.Section 242 of the Legislature Act 1908″
I’m hoping they will use the limited amount of time wisely, like call his brother and obtain full disclosure of all records and accounts from both the ST and Henry.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Rex, dont get your ‘innocent’ clothes on yet.
As we all know a 14 year girl can look a lot older, especially if you are more than 3 times her age
[DPF: GWW can never resist the nasty jabs. That's 50 demerits and lucky not to be more. Next suspension is not far off and will be for two months]
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 7:49 pm
Ghost
You really are a gutless cunt, you epitomise everything that so many here detest about socialists.
When things do not go your way you play the man and not the ball, you are prepared to lie, cheat and steal to achieve your aims.
So far this week you have been exposed as a racist, a sexist, a ageist and a person who thinks it is hilarious to poke fun at people who are obese or those who wear glasses, now you are attacking Rex simply because you do not have the mental capacity to engage the man in a debate without embarrassing yourself.
By the way , make sure you introduce yourself at the next bloggers drinks, I would love to be able to put a face to the gutless and sniveling comments you make.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Ghost:
That’s a disgraceful and cowardly smear against Rex – and I note you’re too gutless to put your real name to it.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 7:56 pm
We appear to have been reduced to shaming Peters, but what do you do with a person who has no sense of shame? If he claws his way back to power, I will not blame old folk. That’s a road to nowhere. But I will feel bitter that Kiwis have no spine in legislation where it counts. We can ban smoking, smacking, happiness and fun but we cannot rid ourselves of rotten polititians.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 7:56 pm
GWW – normally you are just a lowlife troll, but that effort was straight out of the gutter. Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence? Rex has been upfront about this incident, unlike those like you who defame him anonymously, or like Ron Mark who made a gutless (and hypocritical) attack under Parliamentary privilege. You’ve certainly come out of the sewer tonight – why don’t you crawl back there.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Widerstrom was extradited to Australia, so there was prima facie evidence.
being found not guilty doesnt mean you didnt do it.
But wait all the attacks on Winston doesnt mean theres any evidence, and as Widerstrom said himself
“Perhaps, or perhaps there’s still buried bodies awaiting exhumation. But even if everything has already been said it must be repeated, again and again, ad infinitum ..”
repeat the allegations ad finitum….
happy to oblige, but Romeo Widerstrom should be more careful of the glasshouse he lives in
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Ghost
I find it interesting that those who seem to throw this type of abuse about are usually the same people who have convictions for the exact same offense.
Ron Mark is the gutless prick who had a crack at Rex under parliamentary privilege yet Marks has been convicted of having sex with an under age girl.
Vote:You are a gutless prick who has also had a crack at Rex….is there something you are not telling us Ghost?
August 23rd, 2008 at 8:25 pm
That shut them all up, except the blowhard.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Come on Ghost….tell us what you have been convicted for?
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 8:49 pm
“That shut them all up, except the blowhard.”
No GWW – some of us have lives. And as for Rex, IIRC all charges against him were withdrawn, and there was no trial for him to be found not guilty at. But facts don’t worry you do they?
As for Peters – he deserves all the flak he’s getting – all this crap about “keeping them honest” and “NZ First does not accept money from big business” is clearly a load of shite, and he’s rightly been called on it. Just as you have on your gutter stuff.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 8:57 pm
I’ve been out, GWW. I’ve been asked the same question – far more reasonably and without the clear intent to smear – on another thread and answered it with a complete account of the occurence. I’d also point out, as I did then, that when Michael Laws tried the same tired and disgusting “not guilty doesn’t mean innocent” smear the complainant responded by contacting the Wanganui Chronicle and stating quite unequivocally that she had lied. To her credit she admitted as much before the case ever got to court, so it was not a verdict of “not guilty” but a Nolle Prosequi with prejudice that settled the matter – which is as innocent as it is possible to be.
Now, having explained what is none of your business to you I expect you to:
1. Come out from behind that shield of cowardice and innuendo and tell me who you are (privately, if you like) RexWiderstrom [at] hotmail [dot] com will reach me – so we can let a court decide whether you’re correct, truth being a complete defence to defamation or
2. Apologise, with no reservations.
Well, blowhard?
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Does any one know if Ghost who walks is in fact another face of Cadmus or indeed another face of Winston Peters.?
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 9:13 pm
David Baigent:
Cadmus was more like a Winston First piss-take. Actually – and I’ve asked DPF to clear this up before – I believe Ghost previously went under the alias “Selma Bouvier” (see here for my anecdotal analysis). I have very strong suspicions about this. And, in view of the number of aliases being used, I also have very strong feelings that DPF should moderate Selma/Ghost much more rigorously. Or even better, given the clear case of defamatory innuendo above, enforce a permanent ban.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 9:16 pm
David Baigent:
Cadmus was more like a Winston First piss-take. Actually – and I’ve asked DPF to clear this up before – I believe Ghost previously went under the alias “Selma Bouvier” (my previous comment has been swallowed up – but I would otherwise provide a link). I have very strong suspicions about this. And, in view of the number of aliases being used, I also have very strong feelings that DPF should moderate Selma/Ghost much more rigorously. Or even better, given the clear case of defamatory innuendo above, enforce a permanent ban.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 9:18 pm
Let me try adding the link separately: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/04/car_caption_contest.html#comment-438834“.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Regarding Peters diehard supporters and for that matter those of all politicians and parties.
The answer as to why they are, lies within the emotional component. Humans aren’t just logical machines, all of our behaviour has an element of emotion in it. That’s where conviction lives – you just know you are correct. Some people call it gut feel and it’s around all the time not just when we bother to pay attention to it.
All successful politicians like successful salespeople have identified the emotional components in their key demographics and all play to them when they dress, write speeches and in everything they say and do (in public).
Take Peters’ diehard supporters who are mostly female 55 and over. Peters doesn’t have a strong male base in the same age groups because his actions and dress aren’t designed for them.
Once the politician’s got the emotional buttons of the base identified and built them up over a period of years, the base enters the investment stage: the more time and energy people have invested in developing and thinking about a certain world view the more they resist changing it. If they try to, then both cognitive and emotional dissonance arises and that means pain – in this case not physical but emotional – the pain of admitting to yourself and others you were wrong. People run a mile from any pain especially the elderly since they have no resources to fight it and anyway, in their perception “I’m too old to change.” How many times have you heard that?
That investment stage takes years to build but the more time it goes the stronger it becomes. It’s reached a point for Peters where he can and does get away with doing almost anything. The one thing that cannot happen is for the politician to do something that creates dissonance within the base: for example, if he called the husband of one of his base a wanker in a public meeting. Such actions have the potential to eviscerate the base overnight.
Anyhoo, this is why people can listen to all of the logic in the world and they still won’t change their view. It happens all the time and not just in politics.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 9:42 pm
reid: That’s an exceptionally astute analysis of why Winston’s base vote isn’t deserting him, and is even hardening up under the latest barrage of accusations (as John Armstrong notes in a part of the analysis DPF has linked to but not quoted).
There’s another factor too, which I explained on another thread – the “Stalin effect”. As Uncle Joe said, whilst one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic. Talk of secret trusts and barristers from wealthy families paying $40,000 bills and donations hundreds of thousands of dollars produces a cognitive disconnect – it’s so far removed from the life experience of the people whom you desribe it takes on an air of unreality and thus unimportance.
And it’s also why Tuku’s underpants had the exact opposite effect. That same base looked at their husband’s greying Jockeys with the frayed elastic that they were saving up to replace, figured out what they’d have to sacrifice to find $85 to spend on a single pair of underpants, and felt outraged.
Anyone thinking the Glenn / Vela / Jones etc matters will shake his foundation support is dreaming unless they find ways to explain the isues in a way that resonates with those people and, as you correctly state, outrages them enough to overcome the strong psychological barriers to change.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 pm
It appears its Ghostwhorunsaway?
Vote:“But wait all the attacks on Winston doesnt mean theres any evidence” -yeah right. Like you and 6% of Tauranga, pathetic
August 23rd, 2008 at 10:51 pm
But even if everything has already been said it must be repeated, again and again, ad infinitum ..”
So said sexy rexy.
Charges were dropped ?
Good! means they can be relaid.
Some deviant priests have had charges laid 20+ years, when the victims are no longer frightened children
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 11:09 pm
DPF – have just read this thread from top to bottom. Why you entertain GWW at all is quite beyond me. Threadjacking and cowardsly smears flow like the yangtze river. Every time he/she/it gets to their keyboard we’re all drenched in e-shit. Ah well.. takes all sorts I guess.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Here, here getstaffed
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 11:31 pm
‘We appear to have been reduced to shaming Peters, but what do you do with a person who has no sense of shame? If he claws his way back to power, I will not blame old folk. That’s a road to nowhere. But I will feel bitter that Kiwis have no spine in legislation where it counts. We can ban smoking, smacking, happiness and fun but we cannot rid ourselves of rotten polititians.’
So,,
is there anyone like me who believes winston won’t have his seat after november,,
or is that being naieve??
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 11:33 pm
I notice the poster is tagged GGW2
Not the original GGW
Some of us seem to be missing that.
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Perhaps GGW2 IS Winston !!!
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 pm
WOW !!!
‘Ron Mark is the gutless prick who had a crack at Rex under parliamentary privilege yet Marks has been convicted of having sex with an under age girl.”
You must be right, otherwise your IP would be traced and you’d have your ass sued… if you are indeed in NZ
So why does Mr Marks still hold his ‘honourable’ title?
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Totally agree with getstaffed. There was six posts by GWW and not a single one of them was on topic. Further, several of them were simply smears involving allegations that have been laid to rest many times. Time to ban GWW for good.
Not to mention that GWW’s logic is totally screwed…
“Widerstrom was extradited to Australia, so there was prima facie evidence.
being found not guilty doesnt mean you didnt do it.
But wait all the attacks on Winston doesnt mean theres any evidence”
So if Rex is extradited it must mean he is guilty on all accounts even if found not guilty, but the fact that Winnie must face the Privileges Committee doesn’t necessarily mean he isn’t an angel. GWW do you not see how stupid you are???
Vote:August 23rd, 2008 at 11:54 pm
“There was six posts by GWW ”
“There was six posts by GWW ”
“Not to mention that GWW’s logic is totally screwed…”
again, none of this is correct,
the poster is GGW2!
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 12:08 am
Riki:
In response to your 11:16 post: you seem unsure about Ron Mark’s background. His conviction is public knowledge – see this speech from Ron Mark himself, back in 18 May 2004, speaking to the Corrections Bill:
Also, your point about GWW and GWW2 is neither here nor there. See my 9:16pm post – Ghostwhowalks has used a number of aliases and has a distinctive writing style (not to mention unhealthy obsession with National Party leaders).
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 1:00 am
So today’s news says that Mark Blumsky met the 17 year old youth who beat him up in 2005, basically for trying to confiscate his marijuana:
The incident, and the mystery and insinuations surrounding it, were blamed for denting Mr Blumsky’s chances in the race for the Wellington Central seat.
Sorry this is off-topic but there wasn’t a recent General Debate thread… But I don’t get how Mark Blumsky getting beaten up screws up his election chances… In fact, wouldn’t it make people more sympathetic towards him? I suppose you’d have known about this for quite some time David.
Man, speaking of Blumsky… What a pathetic Parliamentary career. Same goes for Bob Clarkson, and all the other ‘fresh talent’ Nat MPs from the 2005 intake that ended up achieving absolutely nothing of notice.
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 7:11 am
I can confirm that Ghostwhowalks2 is the same as Ghostwhowalks etc..
Vote:The problems with the login after my monthly sabbatical means I have reinvent myself ever so slightly.
But I remain yours truly
August 24th, 2008 at 8:44 am
“But I remain yours truly”
if Rex finds out who you are I’m sure he’ll well and truly own your ass, so dont go trying to share clear title
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 8:45 am
“But I remain yours truly”…………………an A Grade Troll, Liar and Fuckwit
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Go on GWW, tell us who you really are.
Or are you a ‘dead man walking’?
Think you may well be, if you carry on posting here!
Now go away in short jerky movements!!!!
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 10:06 am
riki – each time after he/she gets banned, GWW changes the number after GWW – check the demerits page for his/her history.
And Nostredamus – your hypothesis re GWW = Selma could well be correct.
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 10:12 am
GWW said “So said sexy rexy.
Charges were dropped ?
Good! means they can be relaid.”
GWW – you lie again. Rex said the charges were dropped “with prejudice” – that means they CANNOT be laid again.
Were you so busy thinking of your next smear that you missed this?
“To her credit she admitted as much before the case ever got to court, so it was not a verdict of “not guilty” but a Nolle Prosequi with prejudice that settled the matter – which is as innocent as it is possible to be.”
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Nolle Prosequi !!!
His lawyer told him that when he gave him the final bill. Its just a fancy way of saying ‘they wont proceed’
So his lawyer was able to find a single mistake by a 13 year old girl, how clever
Hows this for latin, wheres theres smoke there is fire.
But back to Widerstroms maxim of repeating it ad infinitum
So he is saying he never contacted a 13 year on the internet?
And I wouldnt take his version as gospel, since a NZ judge found there was a case to answer when he was extradited all the way to WA.
I dont think romeo rex will want to dig up all the details of the australian police case again in NZ.
Such as
At the preliminary hearing, 39 year-old former-journalist, Rex Widerstrom, was charged with 13 child sex offences varying in seriousness from sexual penetration of, to indecent dealing with, a child under the age of 16.
All the charges stem from allegations that he began a relationship with a 14 year-old Perth girl in an Internet chatroom, later visiting her home city to pursue it physically. Police allege the offences took place over a six month period between June and July 2000.
Then again he might have a blood brother lawyer who can donate $150,000 of lawyers fees
[DPF: And that is another 50 demerit points]
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
DPF – GWW clearly isn’t worried by the 50 demerits you imposed last night, nor does the threat of a two-month ban seem to be a disincentive. He/she is repeating the lies and slurs that were made last night, and quite frankly, I (and I’m sure, many others) have had a gutsful.
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
For I am Dave Lennard – hear me roar.
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Maybe Ghostwhowalks should tell us what his name is so we can see what kind of a person he really is?
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
GWW… I suggest you have a little chat with whoever is giving you your talking points.
Nolle Prosequi = null prosecution, i.e. the prosecution was annulled. It’s not something prosecutors like doing, and will only do when the evidence of innocence is so overwhelming that it can’t be avoided.
My barrister didn’t “find a single mistake” by anyone. He didn’t have to. Let me explain again: The girl admitted she LIED, of her own volition (by swearing a statement to her own lawyer and submitting that to the DPP) months before the trial. You’re familiar with lying, surely, GWW? You spend most of your life doing it.
The Police can “allege” what they like – it makes it no more true than your smears. They were so desperate to claim a high-profile scalp they decided to endeavour to ruin my life with no more “evidence” than a single uncorroborated statement. Thus when it was withdrawn their case collapsed.
And lastly, if you knew anything about the law you’d know the granting of an extradition warrant is a purely administrative function. As a Magistrate explained recently:
If one country’s “paperwork is in order” that is, sadly, all it takes for someone to be extradited.
Now, I say again: I stand by my account of the events. And I can produce the complainant to back me up as I did when Laws tried his smear.
If you have reason to believe I’m hiding something or otherwise being untruthul, I invite you to reveal your identity and repeat your allegation.
I will then sue you for whatever happens to be your pathetic worth, and then some.
A court will then decide whether you are correct by virtue of having told the truth. Sounds fair to me. I’ll then give the money to my children, who’ve suffered more than anyone through all this and continue to suffer everytime some lowlife such as yourself repeats this smear against their father.
Well, blowhard?
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Come on Ghost, don’t be like all the usual gutless left wing wankers, tell Rex who you really are and then lets see this tested in court.
I am genuinely interested as to why you choose to be such a vicious and nasty little bully, is your life that pathetic that this is the only way you can get your kicks?
I suspect you are a failure in life, despite your worthless university degree you have not amounted to much and have spent some time festering on why you are a loser, you take this frustration out on those who have done well or those who are continuing to strive to better themselves, because you are such a lazy bastard and such a loser you feel that the only way you can gain your revenge on those who have done well is by supporting a corrupt left wing government, the politics of envy suit your failed life.
Oh..can you tell me what it was you were arrested for?
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
I2
Well said (1.10pm) GWW is obviously determined to earn a life time ban and given his pathetic and bully like behaviour DPF should given him his wish.
I also think that the very nasty nature of the attacks GWW has made should see DPF pass on GWW’s contact details to Rex so he can pursue this matter through the courts.
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Good stuff Rex, but GWW will never blow his cover.
Maybe I’m the wrong person to be blogging about hat, given that I too blog anonymously. But I guess the difference is that I don’t take advantage of my anonymity to tell lies and defame people – and worse, to repeat the lie when it has been exposed as a lie.
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
DPF – GWW began his litany of personal smears last evening at 7.29pm. The timing was such that readers might put his smear down to pre-dinner cocktails and treat it as a one-off aberration. But after persisting till 10.51pm, he was back on the job at 7.11am today, and compounded his original smear at 11.18am – deliberately repeating allegations that RW has told us were admitted by the complainant to be false.
GWW has cocked a snook at your earlier 50 demerit points, and is intent on using your blog to personnally denigrate a contributor who:
- openly uses his own name to argue his viewpoint;
- has fully (and courageously) set out a full explanation of relevant events; and
- has also recently been the object of character assasination attempts by NZ First.
While I support the tolerance you customarily show to contrary viewpoints expressed on your blog, GWW’s actions put you in a position of arguably protecting an anonymous libeller against attempts by his / her victim to defend himself. That situation is unfair and intolerable. I suggest, respectfully, that you now impose the promised lengthy ban on GWW.
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Big Bruv/Inventory:
Oh, believe me, Ghost isn’t untouchable – as this DPF post suggests:
I think Ghost should apologise forthwith to Rex (and retract the defamatory innuendo without qualification). I also think DPF should be much tougher on anonymous blowhards who abuse this forum.
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Hear, hear. Not to mention that all the posts are off topic. The thread “All about Winston” has become all about GWW and his smears/slander/lies.
Vote:August 24th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Calendar girl – agree wholeheartedly. The lies and abuse that GWW has put forward in the last 24 hours are on a par with those that earned Robinsod an indefinite ban. What makes his/her lies and smears worse is that they are repeated, even when they have been exposed for bullshit.
Far be it from me to tell DPF how to run his blog, but if I were in his shoes, I would be imposing a lengthy ban on this serial guttersnipe.
Vote:August 25th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Goodness me, where had Ghost gone? -:)
Vote:August 25th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
The Editorial this morning in the Dom states the Winnie the Fox case pretty succintly –
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