History either way
August 30th, 2008 at 10:45 am by David FarrarHistory will be made either way in November. Either the United States will have its first black President or it will have its first female Vice-President.
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August 30th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Go Sarah Palin!
Nothing quite like the sight of lefties sicking but in their own mouths at being outdone by the right.
Of course Lefties will be uncharitable to the last, refusing to acknowledge the momentous moment in history made by John McCain and the Republican Party.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Condoleezza Rice would have got both the black and the female vote linkage- but of course she doesn’t bring to the ticket the religious right, especially because of her unwillingness to drop her pro-choice views. Trig Palin’s mom secures that group, and they will vote.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:11 am
And a record number of dead dimocrats in Ohio will be registered to vote!
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Condoleeza Rice (deeply religious BTW) is rumoured to be ready to voice her endorsement of Barack Obama. Like Colin Powell already has. IMHO Rice is another weak and ineffective RINO. Palin is the real deal, and its not “the religious right” who are responsible for her 80-90% approval ratings in Alaska. Its the working middle class who are sick to death of having progressive political ideas shoved down their throat by a Democrat party dominated by the redistributionist far left and their unrelenting liberal media sycophants.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Murray …. I am reminded of the words of Mayor Tom Daley to the Democratic machine in Chicago in 1960 “Vote early and Vote often” …. and they did and Kennedy won by a fraud.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:33 am
And to paraphrase Dr Phil, “howd that work out for ya’ll Jack?”
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am
I thought Glenn Close was the first female Vice-President in “Air Force One”… surely the White House is the same as Hollywood…
But Palin is better looking than Close.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:53 am
LOOK AT THE DATE ON THIS: was this guy the first to make this pick?
May 21, 2008
“John McCain, here is your vice president”
By Nat Hentoff
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com
“In 2006, Sarah Palin became Alaska’s youngest and first woman governor after having earned a reputation as a determined and successful advocate of ethics reform in politics. In the primary, she defeated an incumbent Republican governor and then a former two-term Democratic governor.
During her first year in office, as reported by the Associated Press on May 10, she “distanced herself from the old guard, powerful members of the state GOP (and) stood up to the oil interests that hold great power in Alaska, and with bipartisan support in the statehouse, she won a tax increase on the oil companies’ profits.”
Last December, the mother of four children, Palin, four months pregnant, found she was going to have a child with Down syndrome, a condition characterized by moderate-to-severe mental retardation………
“Because of Palin’s reputation as a maverick, and her initial reduction of state spending (including pork-barrel spending), life-affirming Palin connects with voters and has been mentioned as a possible vice presidential running mate for John McCain.
She would be a decided asset — an independent Republican governor, a woman, a defender of life against the creeping culture of death and a fresh face in national politics, described in “the Almanac of National Politics” as “an avid hunter and fisher with a killer smile who wears designer glasses and heels, and hair like modern sculpture.”………”
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
This was a BRILLIANT tactical move by the Republicans. How many “conservatives” are there in the USA, that had no-one really representative of them on either ticket? (Hint: the USA is only a great nation because it has such a high proportion of conservatives). McCain’s biggest risk was these people staying at home on voting day.
I have always said I thought that the first Black President of the USA, and/or the first Woman President, will be a Republican. Sarah Palin is the perfect illustration of why I think this way. Nanny State liberal socialists are just too big a turn-off to too many of the population – yet women do tend to vote more on the basis of candidate gender than men do. (As do people of colour – but they do not have the same proportional impact). It is about time the Republicans worked this out and got the maths working in their favour, and as Redbaiter said on another thread, the National Party here in NZ desperately needs a Sarah Palin. I couldn’t agree more, Redbaiter – superb commentary and analysis all the way on that previous thread, by the way, take a bow.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
This obsesion the left have with religion is pathetic bigoted crap.
Vote:They don’t seem to be able to help themselve’s from this pathalogical paranoia.
McCain has made a master stroke with this decision and all the left can say is the left wing equivalent of “she’s of the devil I tells ya”.
August 30th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Just out from the distinguished political commentator Dick Morris:
SWEET PICK! KUDOS TO MCCAIN FOR CHOOSING SARAH PALIN FOR HIS VP
“McCain has reached for the stars and grabbed one. On a recent cruise to Alaska, I had the pleasure of spending an afternoon with Sarah Palin. She is brilliant and articulate and, in Alaska politics, is a breath of fresh air as an alternative to their corruption epitomized by Alaska Republican Senator Ted Stevens. Now Obama, who has spent two years preventing a woman from being president, will spend two months preventing one from becoming vice president — and hopes to do so with women votes. The entire premise of the Democratic convention was the fungibility of Bush and McCain. Now McCain has vividly demonstrated the difference. Sarah Palin is no Dick Cheney!”
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Yeah!! whats Obama got against women any way?, misoginist pig!!!!
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Obamas a gonna A slick words smith with no substance Just the same old same old Take from the rich pricks and give to the losers and no hopers and bribe bribe and more bribes
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
“History will be made either way in November.” Technically correct, but there’s significant history or insignificant history being made in November.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
And Bush will finally be gone too, which is worth celebrating in and of itself.
How exactly is Palin – who has been governor for 1 and a half years, qualified to be President, should the 72 year old McCain die?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
24th August 1873 on this spot… nothing happened!
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
PhilBest … you said “the National Party here in NZ desperately needs a Sarah Palin” Haven’t you met Judith Collins?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
I will wait patiently (probably forever) for all the conservaties who argued that Obama was too inexperienced to be President to say the same thing about Palin. Something tells me they won’t, though.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Also, a record number of black people in Florida will be disenfranchised for having similar names to convicted felons.
And a record number of voting machines will turn out weird results.
Yeah, I know I’m gonna get negative karma for this… I just like to keep the conspiracy theories fair and balanced.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
radar Obama started his presidential cmpaign after 12 months in office. Even he said that if he wanted to be president he’d need to start running from the moment he took office. Odly he said he wouldn’t that, then did.
Palin has been at it since 1992. Shes running for VP with a presidential candidate who waved Noah off on his first rafting trip.
Quick question here, are you stupid?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Its a chilling commentary on America politics that Palin has more experience of private business and direct executive experience than all that of the other three candidates combined and is the only candidate with direct links to blue collar America. Remarkably she’s the only one of the candidates who can be considered “outdoorsy” and comes from outside of the born to rule oligarchy that is the background of all the others.
Whether McCain made the right choice can be argued, but from where I sit she’s the only candidate that remotely resembles and represents the vast majority of Americans and the immensity of the North American continent.
JC
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
I am reminded of the words of Mayor Tom Daley to the Democratic machine in Chicago in 1960 “Vote early and Vote often” …. and they did and Kennedy won by a fraud.
ROSS …I could have sworn that was the message MS Clark gave to the electors in South Auckland in 2005, except that she added “Don’t worry if you are not eligible”.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
McCain is dead meat.
Nobody outside of Alaska knows this hussy, and it is obviously a sop to the disaffected women in the Democratic Party who wanted Clinton in. This is what McCain is saying:
“So here is your choice, Hillary supporters: Vote for a candidate who beat yours fair and square, or , because I know you are just cynical femonazis, vote for me and I’ll airlift a woman in to be my sidekick.”
I don’t think he will fool many.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Jesus hissy fit and spite much?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
“I will wait patiently (probably forever) for all the conservaties who argued that Obama was too inexperienced to be President to say the same thing about Palin”
Because she isn’t standing for President dipshit. Also because she has plenty of experience with five years of executive government before Obama even entered the Senate.
Always amuses me how the supporters of the ‘worker’s party” will go for effete elitists like Barack Obama who’s never had a real job in his life (community organiser for communist groups) and his Ivy League lawyer spouse, over a down to earth person like Sarah Palin, who has worked on fishing boats, can fly a float plane, and has a husband who works on oil production platforms and is a member of the Steel worker’s Union.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
“I will wait patiently (probably forever) for all the conservaties who argued that Obama was too inexperienced to be President to say the same thing about Palin. Something tells me they won’t, though.”
They won’t. Because Palin isn’t running for President (hint: VP stands for vice-president ) and Obama has spent exactly 140 days in the senate–Palin has actually been running a huge state and managing (very well) a multi-billion dollar resources expansion program.
Vote:She’s exposed corruption–even within Republican ranks–and faced down Big Oil.
Obama has given a few speeches.
She’d chew up the big-eared little boy and spit out the pieces.
August 30th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Redbaiter … re your 2.09. Well said.
To all. Did anyone else notice a certain similarity between the Obama speech and a Nuremburg Rally … fake Gothic columns (at least they were real at Nuremburg); messiah haranging from on high; chanting faithful on que. Gobbels take a bow.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Palin appears to be an awesome candidate. Very exciting times. The McCain campaign now has a lethal combination of experience and “history” on its side. For those voters looking for a historic first they can now have the best of both worlds. It may be shallow when thinking about respective policy decisions and the power that the President will have but I sense that having Palin on the ticket brings some of the excitement factor to the McCain campaign that Obama had in spades (not saying that is a good reason to vote but politics is a strange business).
The Obama camp are going to have to be very careful painting her as inexperienced. Firstly she is the only one of the four with political executive experience as a Governor and, of course, this simply highlights the fact that their top guy is a first term senator. What was Hilary Clinton’s quote? Something about McCain had the experience and the gravitas to be President, Obama had a speech he gave in 2002.
The donks will be on a hiding to nothing in the VP debates. Biden will be expected to win, pariticularly on foreign affairs, but who really cares? The McCain ticket owns foreign affairs and if Biden does too well it will just show up his boss.
The DNC has just had their convention but (in the US media at least – Stuff has nothing and NZHerald has a series of Obama articles on their respective front pages) McCain seems to be setting the talking agenda.
McCain 08!
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
The hypocrisy of the Obama campaign would be staggering if it was anyone else but the far left. Obama runs on the idea of change, and rejecting the Washington beltway status quo. So who does he pick as VP but Joe Biden, one of the old guard he professes to reject. Instead its John McCain who picks the Washington outsider, and suddenly all the people supporting Obama’s change strategy are saying Sarah Palin is the wrong pick. Gross hypocrisy.
Another funny thing: Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton, who today are enthusiastically supporting Obama as the best choice for President were only a few weeks ago saying he would be dangerous in the role due to his lack of experience. Now all of a sudden lack of experience is only an issue where Sarah Palin is concerned. As I said, anyone but the left and such stark examples of hypocrisy and irrationality would be surprising. When political power is at stake, they’ll do and say anything.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Now hear this! Now hear this! Incoming Intellectual Left wing attack.
In other words, the Left that so lovingly crafted certain themes as weapons to use against Republicans – have suddenly started turning those weapons on eachother inside the big tent of the Democratic Party – and the Republicans will try to take advantage of that.
Diddums!
Funnily enough another great left-wing intellectual – Maureen Dowd in the NYT – made a similar comment some time ago:
Tough choice for Democrats – perhaps less so for the rest of America.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Ross Miller Good point Yes I noted that too the Temple scene with Obama as the Black Messiah leading his people.
Scary stuff.
Although you are very naughty and will no doubt have the Godwins Law Wankers after you.
Then again they are licking their wounds after having their Dearly Beloved Heavenly Leader exposed as the fraud liar and corrupt person that she is.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
The contrast between Sarah Palin and Joe Biden – an aristocratic plum-in-his-mouth washington insider, born to rule from an old money family – is stark.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Biden’s middle name is “Robinette”
Isn’t that a girl’s name? Maybe Obama was hoping to get the girl vote with that? LOL
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Redbaiter
Powell has repeatedly and sternly denied that he will endorse Obama. Where did you see it reported that Rice was considering it?
Re the Palin pick, I love this from Noemie Emery at the Weekly Standard entitled
WHAT PALIN DOES
“1. Steps on the story of Obama’s speech (and convention), and possibly the bounce coming from them, and wipes them off the news cycle. The Sunday news shows will be all-Palin, all of the time.
2. Sends Republicans into their convention on a huge head of steam.
3. Wipes out the image of McCain as the crotchety elder and brings back that of the fly-boy and gambler, which is much more appealing, and the genuine person.
4. Revs up the base AND excites independents, which no one else in the party, or perhaps in the world, could have accomplished.
5. Puts youth, change, and history on both of the tickets.
6. May detach some young people, especially women.
7. May attach some women pissed off about Hillary.
8. As a pro-life super-achiever, puts feminists in a tizzy.
9. Revives some of the double-edged nature of the Democratic primary, which featured a black vs. a
female trail-blazer, and put both sides on notice on sensitivity issues. Democrats used to raising charges of racism against Obama’s critics may face charges of sexism and/or condescension if they try to diss her.
10. Steps on Obama’s claims to have been a reformer, as he reformed nothing (much less the corrupt mare’s nest of Chicago arrangements), while she was a dragon-slayer up in Alaska.
11. As a mother of five, one a Down Syndrome baby, helps her side take on the Democrats on abortion extremism and the Born Alive bill.
12. Reignites the deep and unhealed stresses inside the Democrats, some of whom will now wonder more loudly than ever why they didn’t pick Hillary.
13. Counters Michelle in a way Cindy couldn’t.
14. Counter-intuitively, makes the issue of Obama’s light resume more potent than ever. Her lack of experience is no more than his is. And he’s–to use a term from Alaska, and the Iditarod–their lead dog.”
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
pushmewanku is maintaining the usual high standards..
(i’ll say it slowly for you..)
biden has double ‘appeal’..
..long term washington experience..
..and..wait for it..!..’blue-collar roots’..
i know that those untidy facts mess up your narrative..but..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
..
[DPF: Phil I suggest you don't change his nick as you have done. It can only lead to a round of personal abuse]
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
btw..is presumptive first lady cindy still wired on uppers/downers/leapers/screamers..?
..or is she in rehab..
..i mean..check her eyes..!
..cindy’s either wired..or doing a really good impersonation of one who is..
..(can’t wait for her convention speech..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Time for you phuck off again phool.
Stupid little bedwetter.
[DPF: Also not helpful. Attack Phil's points, but please cut out these sort of posts]
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Smart move by McCain, gives him all those voters who vote by their religious
Vote:values rather than on issues.
Wonder how Palin will go against Vlad the impaler also known as Putin if McCain
snuffs it six months into his term.
At least all those bitter old women democrats who are past child bearing age will
have some where to go.
Hmm, wonder why the yanks have not put troops into Georgia to chuck those
Russians out ?
After all they do have WMDs, so need a regime change.
August 30th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Hey Phil, trying to get a real-life ban to go with your imaginary one by insulting me? Go for gold man
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
“Blah blah blah – have suddenly started turning those weapons on eachother inside the big tent of the Democratic Party – blah blah blah”
Didn’t hear the Clintons’ speeches, I take it?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Yeah, what a great country. Get your pick: race or gender.
Ideas are out, and it’s now downhill to socialist paradise.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
What points David, its an uniteligible random collection of punctuation marks.
Stop flogging the dead horse of 2nd 3rd and 4th chances. Its time to giver up and just cut him loose.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
‘president palin’..
does that send a (nasty) shiver down the spine..?..
..or what..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
are you getting upset muzza..?
..because you know you are looking defeat in the eyes..?
..just nattys/little-yellow-jacket/..and dunny-brush..
(..the ‘losers party’..)
(heh..!..)
..both feckin’ sad and funny..
..at the same time..
..eh..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
[DPF: And that is going seriously off topic for 10 demerits.]
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
I don’t know why I bother to respond to the likes of Redbaiter and his sidekick Murray, but here goes.
“Because she isn’t standing for President dipshit. Also because she has plenty of experience with five years of executive government before Obama even entered the Senate.”
Thanks for clearing that up. It may surprise you to read this, but in general the person chosen to be the running mate normally is someone qualified to be President if the actual President should die (ie Kennedy) or resign (ie Nixon). Does that help? You may pretent that there is a vast difference between the two positions, but I think you do this only because it serves your narrow worldview, ie Republicans = good, Democrats = evil. And she has been governor of Alaska for one and a half years. Get your facts right. Froth all you like, but please at least don’t lie.
“Palin has been at it since 1992. Shes running for VP with a presidential candidate who waved Noah off on his first rafting trip.
At what? So the Republican ticket is a man old enough to have been in the Old Testament and a former beauty queen who Redbaiter believes is fit for the office because she can fly a plane. A winning ticket if ever I’ve seen one.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
So what? Your side has big eared novice in nappys and another geratric. You argument seems rather circular.
And I’m no ones side kick.
I’ve beend at this since before DPF started thanks. I play my own game.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
“..I play my own game..”
(psstt..!!..it involves toys..dress-ups..and wargames..)
..muzza’s a weekend warrior..
..i think he feels he was born in the wrong era..
..or..y’know..!..reincarnation..?
..in a previous life..
..he was a member/practitioner of the arcane/ancient craft of lead-licking..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Radar- I’ll say it: Trig Palin’s mother is too inexperienced to be President, which is probably why she didn’t run to be President. The vice president is the President of the Senate, and casts tiebreaker votes in that chamber but has no executive powers whatsoever.
Vote:Nelson Mandela was 76 when he first assumed office. I don’t know if you said then that he was too old- did you?
August 30th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Actually, I think that he was 75 and then turned 76. The inauguration was May, and he was born in July. Anyway- was he too old? Senile, incapacitated, whatever?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
“I don’t know why I bother to respond to the likes of Redbaiter and his sidekick Murray, but here goes.”
Neither do I, because in every case your responses aren’t worth pig’s excrement. In fact I don’t even know why you come here with your cowardly smears and empty assertions, statements you can never back up and examples of blind political bigotry.
“in general the person chosen to be the running mate normally is someone qualified to be President if the actual President should die (ie Kennedy) or resign (ie Nixon). ”
So what’s Obama going to do if Joe Biden dies or doesn’t that logic fit with your dull and shallow attempts to malign the Republicans you simpleton?
“Froth all you like, but please at least don’t lie.”
I’m not lying and if you had even average comprehension skills you’d know that. I said she had five years of executive government experience (as a councillor and later Mayor of Wasilla city) prior to Obama entering the senate, not that she’s been governor for five years.
“Redbaiter believes is fit for the office because she can fly a plane”
A deliberate misrepresentation. I never said anything like that. I was attempting to highlight the left’s hypocrisy in posing as the party of the working class whilst simultaneously preferring elitist Ivy Leaguers to down to earth people as their leaders. Once again, your crippled and infantile comprehension skills make it evident that when it comes to debate, you’re a complete and utter waste of time.
You’ll come back with some off topic crap of course, but the truth is in all points you’re seriously wrong, and if you possessed even the slightest degree of integrity you’d apologise for your allegations of lying. (Don’t bother tho, from a time wasting twit like you it would be worthless. Like everything else you post here. Just go away- take your worthless assertions elsewhere, and stop wasting everyone’s time.)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
LOL you just got schooled by Redbaiter.
The indisputable fact is that Sarah Palin’s extensive executive experience, as Mayor of Wassila and then as Governor of Alaska, make her well qualified to be President.
Has Joe Biden been the Mayor of any towns? No. Has Joe Biden? No. Case closed.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
“Redbaiter- Powell has repeatedly and sternly denied that he will endorse Obama. Where did you see it reported that Rice was considering it?”
I had not heard/ read that Powell has denied that he will endorse Obama. I have read transcripts (CNN I think) wherein he has been pretty fulsome in praise of Obama and like Condi Rice, has said he/she has not decided who to vote for yet. I see there is some confusion about this due to a prediction from Bill Kristol that resulted in a lot of sources have reported it as having happened. I’m quite ready to be corrected on the issue. Nevertheless, if the reports are true that neither Condi Rice or Powell are prepared to state inequivocally that they’re voting Republican, its not a good look.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
phool was sodden barmat in his last life. Smelly, useless and soggy.
No real change for him I guess.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
radar, phil, charlie tan
What has Obama and Biden ever run? Nothing – being a legislator is never the same as being a CEO (of a city or State). Biden sat on Senate Committees where he is one of 18 votes and then one of 100 votes in the Senate. Obama when a State Senator in IL broke the record for not voting or voting “present” to avoid doing precisely what legislators are elected to do – vote on issues. Obama of course broke with that wimpish tradition when repeatedly voted against the IL version of the Infant Born Alive Protection Act – an extremist stance that was different from all in the Federal Congress and almost all State legislators nationwide. Of course there was one failed Foundation he did run – the Annenberg Foundation – a left wing education lobby group that tried to get Chicago High Schools to buy into their Marxist education methods. Despite telling the Philadelphia Democrat debate that Bill Ayers, the unrepentant prominent member of the Weather Underground terror organisation that bombed the Capitol and the Pentagon, was “just someone in his neighbourhood that he doesn’t associate with”, it appears that Obama and Ayers sat on this board together for some years up until 2002 and AFTER Ayers was published in the New York Times (on 9/11/01) saying that he wished he did more.
Obama has spent almost all his time in the US Senate running for President and never once held a committee hearing on the war in Afganistan because of his busy campaign schedule.
Now I’ll take Sarah Palin cutting property taxes in Wasilla, AK; dealing to the corruption in the AK GOP AND the Oil and Gas Commission and governing AK with the highest gubernatorial approval rating in America over Barack Obama’s community activism with the corrupt ACORN (convicted of frequent voter fraud in multiple states) and on a failed socialist foundation with radical Marxist terrorists as fellow board members any day of the week!
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
reddy said…
“..“in general the person chosen to be the running mate normally is someone qualified to be President if the actual President should die (ie Kennedy) or resign (ie Nixon). ”
So what’s Obama going to do if Joe Biden dies or doesn’t that logic fit with your dull and shallow attempts to malign the Republicans you simpleton?..”
brilliant..!..eh..?
and..
“..I said she had five years of executive government experience (as a councillor and later Mayor of Wasilla city) prior to Obama entering the senate,.”
wasilla..population..?..9,000..
..sorta like being a city councillor in taumaranui..
..w.t.f. were they thinking..?
..(double) brilliant..!..eh..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Quick phool write to John McCain and tell him hes made a mistake. I’m sure he’ll be grateful for your imput.
How can the Republicans possibly get by without the advice of some renadom beneficiary from a pissant backwater island at the bottom of the world.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
“Also, a record number of black people in Florida will be disenfranchised for having similar names to convicted felons.
And a record number of voting machines will turn out weird results.
Yeah, I know I’m gonna get negative karma for this… I just like to keep the conspiracy theories fair and balanced.”
you’re not the only one bud, but you go on Topix, no Americans answer these q’s.
Florida is a taboo subject to them. You can get away with anything when it comes to blacks in America.
Clinton apologised for poisoning a black communities water supply. America just shrugged its shoulders and carried on.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
“Now I’ll take Sarah Palin cutting property taxes in Wasilla, AK; dealing to the corruption in the AK GOP AND the Oil and Gas Commission and governing AK with the highest gubernatorial approval rating in America over Barack Obama’s community activism with the corrupt ACORN (convicted of frequent voter fraud in multiple states) and on a failed socialist foundation with radical Marxist terrorists as fellow board members any day of the week!”
How was one individual, let alone a woman, able to do all that without recrimination. where did she get the research and all the dirt. who was selling out to her. why was she the only person able to do it in recent times. Who questions her ‘abilities’
Shouldn’t there be a lot of people in the White House afraid of her. she’s like a one woman FBI.
I would also submit she’s been instructed to wear glasses and not contacts to keep her professional image intact.
Without them, she would look absolutely smoking hot.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
“..from a pissant backwater island at the bottom of the world..”
..a terminal case of cultural cringe there..eh muzza..?
..oh unpatriotic one..!
..or is your self-loathing all-encompassing..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
..and a correction on a previous comment..
..wasilla has a population of 6.715..
..and only recently received sealed roads..
..and a police force..
..brilliant..!
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I’ve got my 5 digit service number what have you got, track marks?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
mccain first spoke to her about this yesterday..(!!!)..
w.t.f..!
madness..!
tv ones’ reporter said he just came from denver on a plane full of democrats..
..and they were all rubbing their hands together in glee..
..and you can see why..
.(.heh..!..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
philu
McCains vetting team spent plenty of time with her and they did all the backgrounding. He spent as much personal face to face time with her over the issue of VP vetting as he spent with any of the others. It is the job of the vetting team to do all the background work.
Democrat political operatives would say that about any GOP pick – they are talking to a reporter and so its all spin. You obviously haven’t spent much time inside a campaign or spent time on the road in the presence of the media during a campaign. You assume everything is on the record and you are always careful to spin things your party’s way. But go ahead and clutch at that straw.
You still haven’t answered my question. Apart from the radical Annenberg Foundation, what has Obama actually run?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
If Redbaiter isn’t the angriest man in the NZ blogosphere I don’t know who is.
Palin was mayor of a town of 9,000 people. I would hardly call that “Executive experience”. All the people who said Obama was unqualified and inexperienced are defending Palin’s inexperience. McCain first sat down with her yesterday. This is a desperate pick by a desperate man. She was hardly chosen on merit.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
google it..kia..
when there have been half-brains like reagan/bush jnr doing the ‘job’..
..you can claim obamas’ ‘unqualified’..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Come on people, McCain is much better for NZ than Obama, if McCain’s people comes looking for troops our politicians will just tell him , sorry but due to domestic politics we cannot help because the majority of the punters believe that McCain is the mark two version of Bush.
Of course the Nats will need to keep Power locked up when McCain attempts to
Vote:take democracy to Iran.
August 30th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
philu
You are Obama’s champion so lets see you write down in your hallmark abbreviated form (with all the …. you want) precisely what he has actually run like a city, county, state, company. The Harvard Law review doesn’t count.
Palin runs America’s largest state (by size) – the only state bordering two foreign countries along with the largest oil reserves. She is the most popular governor in the country. Reagan was a two term popular governor of the largest state (by population) and Bush was also a popular two term governor of the 2nd largest state (also by population and size). Um – and Obama ran/governed ……
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
and aside from ‘running’ rich pill-addicted women..
..and being a war criminal..
..what has mccain ‘run/governed’..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
What the fuck would you know about war outside a commando comic dickless?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:57 pm
In what way is McCain a war criminal?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
you answer my question re Obama and I’ll answer yours re McCain
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Didn’t you know phool is a legal expert now and he can make declarations like this without recourse to facts or reality.
Pull the plug DPF. This guys amusment factor is long past hit zero.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
That’d be vaguely impressive if her country didn’t have lots o guns n stuff.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
mccain engaged in the war crimes of repeated bombings of civilian men women and children..
http://whoar.co.nz/2008/john-mccain-war-hero-or-north-vietnams-go-to-collaborator/
and this..
http://whoar.co.nz/2008/whats-so-heroic-about-being-shot-down-while-bombing-innocent-civilians/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
McCain is not serious.
Bugger.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
This woman will never do, how can anyone run for office that isn’t a lesbian, waiting for that two bob drone male sperm donor that believes socialism will save his sorry arse, God who threw the rules out the window. Fancy a woman that fancys a man, is nothing right in this world anymore.:-)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
y’know when you are going about your killing of ‘your’ animals..bob..
..do you ever think they are lesbians..?
..and..yknow..!
..get some of that pent up homophobic rage out of your system..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Oh come on Philu I could hardly upset you, yourself that lives in the big smoke and life is measured in who is the best dressed and gets their food in plastic wrap.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
As for animals being lesbians, for sure, thats how we find which cows are on heat as we watch for the cows that ride each other when they on heat, it’s a bit like watching the Liarbore party.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
I saw TV3′s rundown on Sarah Palin. Apparently she’s an ex-cheerleader and “hockey mom” with no experience in anything.
Christ almighty, who pays the wages of those idiot journalists? Do they not even have an internet connection?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Charlie Tan said
Did they at last define what the meaning of “is” is?
But to give an answer that your question does not deserve – no. Nor did I take any notice of the rest of the palaver from The Triumph Of The Hope. And I will also be ignoring the upcoming Republican squawk-fest.
Which is entirely preferable to you apparently missing the entire Democratic primary exercise in rawness, the Clinton presidency’s exercise in dissembling, Politics 101 lessons on keeping enemies closer than friends, and the last thirty years of feminism.
I must say that your use of the word “hussy” was quite revealing, given that over the last four days your living room probably rang to orgasmic cries of “Yes, We Can”. Oddly enough, that was the election theme of another thoroughly flawed peacock of overweening ambition – you seem to have a weakness for these characters.
But while I’m sure you replaced the couch, carpets and TV after the last such event, you might want to hold off for a few more days this time, since they’ll soon be covered in spit and bile.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
“If Redbaiter isn’t the angriest man in the NZ blogosphere I don’t know who is. ”
I’m the most patient man in the blogosphere, using my valuable time to respond to your worthless posts- one idiotic and rationally devoid pronouncement after another. Not satisfied with making an idiot of yourself twice, you come back for thirds.
“Palin was mayor of a town of 9,000 people. I would hardly call that “Executive experience”.”
What a halfwit like you might call it hardly matters. To rational people its executive experience, and combined with all of the other executive experience on various state administrative bodies, and her achievements in defeating the Republican candidate, big oil cronyists and stamping out corruption in the Alaskan government, she makes Obama look like a kindergarten teacher. ..and that’s leaving aside her considerable personal accomplishments.
“All the people who said Obama was unqualified and inexperienced are defending Palin’s inexperience.”
Sad whining little dipshit. “all the people” who said Obama was unqualified and inexperienced included Joe Biden and most of the Clinton faction of the Democrat Party. (and they’re still saying it). Whatever hapless smears you keep repeating, Sarah Palin’s experience eclipses the dawdling non achiever Obama who has nothing on his resume other than 140 days as a senator and a few years as a “Community Organiser” for shonky left wing groups existing on others people’s money.
“This is a desperate pick by a desperate man.”
Meaningless drivel.
“She was hardly chosen on merit.”
She was, but if you want to use that as the criterion, where’s Obama’s merit?? Now come back with more pointless waffle and cowardly smears loser. Same old same old. The best advertisement yet for the theory that leftism is a mental disease.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
mm..!!..first african american to edit the harvard law review..
..and a lecturer/teacher/assoc prof (?)..at harvard..
..(as just one segment of his life/experience..)
..vs the councillor/then mayor of a town of 6,713..
..who has served a half a term as a governor..
..who was elected on a wave of anti-corruption populism..
..(most of the alaskan republican senators/herachy facing institutional corruption charges/prison..
..alaska has long been the most corrupt state in america..
..bare-faced demands for kickbacks etc..)
..eh..?
..you’d like her as president when/if mccain was turned off..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
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August 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
I will wait patiently (probably forever) for all the conservaties who argued that Obama was too inexperienced to be President to say the same thing about Palin. Something tells me they won’t, though.
I’m not a conservative but I am right wing and I already have argued that Palin was a shit choice in the last thread. Read it meathead, that doesn’t make Obama any more experienced or qualified.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Go Rebaiter, sick the bastards. I’m tied of the left, the bastards need a holiday but sadly it will be the workers who pay for it.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Poor Philu, you are the voice of a true socialist. So please tell me how Wussell Norman can be a co leader in the Melons when he has no mandate, this good lady has people that back her by a vote, you should take note.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
you mean the good folks of wasilla..alaska..?
who entrusted her to be a town councillor..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Yes Philu atleast the good folks of wasilla wanted her. How many of the good folks in the Melons wanted Wussell. I just love your belief in democracy. Whats wrong with being a town counciller? .You deserve the big H phil you are always going on about how the little man has no hope against the system, get over yourself.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
“..Whats wrong with being a town counciller? ..”
..nothing..
..but from town councillior in some hick/cow-town/taumaranui..
..to vice-president of america..
…under a very old man..
..(i mean..would you trust daphne..?..from the taumaranui council..
..to run anything more than a cake-stall..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Town councilor whatever… Can anyone seriously imagine this woman being Commander in Chief?
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 10:59 pm
So Philu what do you hope for your life, town counciller?, political advisor?, Melon know it all?, family man?, father?. I would have to say that atleast in the USA you can be anyone and try for the top.I would say that in this little backwater it’s getting harder. So what would be the perfect leader, not 2 young, not 2 old, not 2 black, not 2 white, not 2 gay, not 2 happy?????. Good try Philu but Taumaranui is 3 hours and ten pubs from the farm gate.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
“Can anyone seriously imagine this woman being Commander in Chief?”
In the first place, she’s the VP for chrissakes. She’s isn’t going to be the CIC. Secondly, why do you guys keep asking these questions when (whether you like him or not), the only alternative is the non-achieving never been anywhere or done anything slippery all facade no substance Obama?? The jibbering idiot who says Iran is no threat to world peace? The appeasement moron who says he wants to talk to that little dirt bag tyrant Ahmadinejad without any pre-conditions? The naive peacenik dipshit who wants to downsize the US’s military and nuclear capabilities while China and Russia are building theirs up? Can you imagine him being CIC?? The narcissist who went to the gym rather than visit wounded soldiers. For chrissake, get some perspective and stop ranting on and on with the same old faulty logic. Jesus H Christ on a bike.
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Catch you later Philu, have to get some sleep, up in 5 hours and spend the next 6 or 7 hours working to pay for the Dear Leaders wealth redistrubtion and another 3 or 4 hours after that for the hell of it.
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 1:13 am
The fact that the Democrats are instantly spewing about the choice of VP gives me an inordinate sense of satisfaction.
The Clintons must feel very pissed. Bill made it but ‘never had sexual relations with that woman’. Hilary stood by her man, but actually
failed to get through to the important bit. And then they both stated that at some near point the ‘True Hottie’ Chelsea will be running
for President, and the Socialists say it is Nepotism that the Bush Family put themselves forward for the vote twice, and won.
Jeez. At least there are no H1 offspring to worry about.
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 1:40 am
Obama–hope change future yes we can Obama messiah–yeah right! Somewhere in Chicago a community is missing an “organiser”
Palin — shriek! Someone call Al Gore before she blasts the shit out of a polar bear. How dare she run for VP! I mean she’s only the Governor of Alaska, its not like its as big or wealthy or as important as Arkansas. How dare she consider such a thing when she never got into Harvard on affirmative action, isn’t a dyke, likes babies and doesn’t kill them when they don’t measure up in the chromosome stakes; worse she has a husband who works at exploiting Gaia in big oil and commercial fishing how could she possibly relate to blue collar people? I mean she wears skirts and not pant suits and her teeth are fixed.
Get me Philu! Only his incisive mind can right this travesty. Oh what, hes been drinking his bong water and is unavailable…?
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 1:44 am
makes you wonder why Charlie Tan launched into such an angry rant right away – Diddums Charlie. He obviously touched a nerve endorsing a strong female candidate.
McCains campaign team picked a good one – I hope she gets a good amount of airtime so she can wipe the floor with Biden and Obama.
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 8:24 am
Philu …. I have to say that some of the personal attacks on you leave me slightly uncomfortable. I would much prefer that posters played the ball, not the man. But then you come up with the ascertain that McCain was a war criminal. Well, as a Vietnam Vet I take considerable exception to that. You and people of your ilk just don’t comprehend the fact that servicemen and women go to war at the direction of their Government. That war is a shitty thing and its meant to be.
If you want to blame someone blame the politicians.
Withdraw and apologise please … but I won’t hold my breath.
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 8:38 am
“..If you want to blame someone blame the politicians..”
i do..am..
mccain is a politician..standing for the most powerful position in the world..
..the fact he engaged many many times in the carpet bombing of civilian centres..
..(and killed countless (innocent) men women and children..)..
..is indeed pertinent..
..and more importantly..far from showing any penance/insight for his crimes..
..mccain has ‘feasted’ on it..and is attempting to parlay those (undoubted..how can they not be..?) war-crimes into the presidency..
..so..i don’t see how highlighting these facts make me a (kiwi) vietnam vet ‘basher’..
..so i don’t feel i have anything to apologise for..
..anyway..you missed the juiciest bit of those stories/links i posted..
…namely the allegations of collaboration with his captors..
..it was very unusual for an american p.o.w. to be given ‘hospital-treatment’..
..now..that’s the real ‘untold story’ from the life of mccain..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 9:11 am
I would add to everything I have said here the following words of David Frum, who used to work for the Bush administration. No doubt Redbaiter will immediately attack him as some sort of rapid communist-lesbian-pinko-feminist-anarchist-leftist-muslim-elitist, but I thought his opinion was interesting none-the-less.
“The longer I think about it, the less well this selection sits with me. And I increasingly doubt that it will prove good politics. The Palin choice looks cynical. The wires are showing.
Here’s I fear the worst harm that may be done by this selection. The McCain campaign’s slogan is “country first.” It’s a good slogan, and it aptly describes John McCain, one of the most self-sacrificing, gallant, and honorable men ever to seek the presidency.
But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?”
Good question Mr Frum!
http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2VhOWE0N2VkOWI3MDdlODRlZWE4ODljMDc2NjliZDk=
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 10:06 am
philu
The question I asked was what has Obama run and you answered the Havard Law Review. This august institution comprises 90 part time editors and 3 full time staff. It is of course is light years away from anything remotely close to running the largest country in the free world and being its Commander in Chief. Of course you forgot to mention the Annenberg Challenge that unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers was instrumental in starting and that Obama chaired in the 1990s. The same Bill Ayers Obama claimed “lives in my neighbourhood but who I don’t associate with”. Recent examination of the Board minutes of the Annenberg Challenge reveal numerous meetings that Obama and Ayers attended together as they jointly pursued the leftist goals of this organisation.
Since you seem fixated on comparing Obama to Palin, Palin has run:
* The city of Wasilla
* The Alaskan Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (the largest in the US) – 3 Commissioners and 24 staff. She rooted out corruption on that board and faced down oil companies to get the best deal for Alaskans
* The State of Alaska – 25,000 equivalent full time employees with an annual payroll of $107 million
You asked what McCain has run – he commanded a US Navy Fighter Squadron – the complex organisation chart of which is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Navy_Squadron_Organization.png
18 aircraft worth $100′s of millions of dollars and usually 24 pilots and around 100 total full time personnel.
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 10:14 am
Ok Philu … I now break my rule. You are an arsehole and a shitty arsehole at that. So, by your twisted thinking every bomber pilot in history is also a war criminal. As for the allegations of collaboration. Good ‘leftie’ smear that even Palin hating Radar doesn’t buy into (see above).
Its people like you who convinced me that conservative politics was a cut above the lies, cant, hypocrisy and corruption so evident in your mob so I guess I have to thank you for that.
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 10:24 am
philu
Sorry for the delay – holiday activities at the lake. The question I asked was “What has Obama actually run?”. Your answer – the Havard Law Review. Wow – what a perfect institution to prepare to run the world’s largest government and to be the Commander in Chief of the world’s largest economy and military. Last I looked the HLR had 90 part time editors on its staff (mostly practising lawyers) and THREE full time office staff. Of course you neglected to mention the Annenberg Challenge in Chicago that Obama actually chaired in the 1990s – and his fellow board member – yes the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers. Minutes of the Annenberg Board recently reviewed reveal numerous Board meetings attended by both Obama and Ayers as they looked for ways to pursue this organisations left wing agenda. Of course Obama’s recollection of his association with Ayers was deceitfully described as being “someone who lives in my neighbourhood with whom I don’t spend any time”
You seem somewhat fixated on what Palin has run vs Obama limiting your description to her mayoral stint at Wasilla, AK. You of course neglected to mentioned that she has also run/runs:
* A very successful commercial fishing operation
* The Alaskan State Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (largest in the US in terms of oil/gas volumes administered) – she not only ran it, she cleaned up all its corruption and faced down the oil companies to get a better deal for all Alaskans
* The State of Alaska with 25,000 full time equivalent employees and a payroll of $107 million! Of but of course running a State pales in comparison to running the Harvard Law Review!
You asked what has John McCain run. He was the Commander of a US Navy Fighter Squadron. Typically there are 18 planes worth $500 million he was responsible for – 24 pilots and total support staff of 100.
Next questions – name one significant piece of Federal legislation Senator Obama has sponsored to the stage of Presidential signature and what Senate Committees he has chaired (you can only count the committees that have actually met as we know the one with responsibility for the war in Afganistan hasn’t met once because ….well Obama has been running for President since … well since he arrived in the Senate in 2005)
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 10:54 am
“But question: If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?””
Y’know I try hard to respect Mr. Farrar’s wishes and keep my postings here civil, but goddamn some of you idiots on the left make it difficult. Extremely difficult.
You just don’t get do you you sad uncomprehending moron?? Every time you attack Palin as being too inexperienced for VP, you shoot yourself in the foot because you’ve nominated a person of far less substance as candidate for the higher office of PRESIDENT. How could anyone with a brain not see this contradiction??? Post as much shit from as many similarly brain damaged leftist “commentators” as you like, it will never change that circumstance. Time waster.
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
kiwi in america..
you are the perfect choice to read..if there is a desire to find out what the american-rightwing ‘talking points’ are..
..this is your record.
..parrotting that over here..
..and cloaking yourpronounciations in a (faux)-expert context/imprimatuer..
..and this is what you are doing now..
..you have been so consistantly ‘wrong’..
..in the screeds of copy ‘n paste/assertions you have lodged here..
..do you think weare all sufferingfrom ‘groundhog-day..?
..and haven’t noticed..?
..sheesh..!
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 1:07 pm
and face it..mccain could have appointed a simian..
..and redbaiter would be here..
..pimping it..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 1:46 pm
philu
I note, as I’m sure most others reading this blog have, that you, once again, fail to address the facts that I posted. Labelling them talking points doesn’t render them false. Please enlighten the readers as to the inaccuracies contained in my last post.
Oh and please answer the questions about Sen Obama’s successful legislation sponsored and chairmanships since arriving in the US Senate. Inquiring minds want to know. Surely Kos has given you enough talking points on this subject since your own blog when it covers matters American consists of regurgitated material from lefty blogs in the US.
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
and face it..obama could have appointed a simian..
..and philu would be here..
..pimping it..
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 1:50 pm
“Y’know I try hard to respect Mr. Farrar’s wishes and keep my postings here civil, but goddamn some of you idiots on the left make it difficult. Extremely difficult.”
Redbaiter, that was not my quote you attacked. It was David Frum, former employee of the Bush administration. I believe you just called David Frum a “brain damaged leftist “commentator”. Oh my goodness. Compared to Redbaiter and his sidekick that chickenhawk Murray, everyone is a communist! Even former employees of the Bush administration!
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 2:03 pm
“Redbaiter, that was not my quote you attacked.”
You really do have shit for brains. I am well aware of that fact. I know well who Frum is, (even if he’s fresh news to a narrow little political ignoramus like yourself), and he was making the point that someone like Pawlenty may have been a better choice than Palin. Not Barack Obama. That is a fair comment to make. Pawlenty would have been a good alternative to Palin, but IMHO, Palin was the better choice given she is an antidote to long term upper level Republican political complacency. However Frum was not saying Barack was the better choice, as you so dishonestly attempted to imply. Go away pathetic time waster. Always groping for some way to restore your shattered self esteem, and failing every time.
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 2:04 pm
kia..i made a concious decision a while back not to bother doing that..eh..?
..i filed it under ‘waste of time/effort’..
and as i said..my news research means i have already heard them/know what they are….
..remember..you are just ‘parrotting’..eh..?
..you aren’t pretending to any original thought there..
..are you..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:August 31st, 2008 at 2:24 pm
nah..i haven’t pimped obamas’ v.p. choice..
my reaction to the biden-announcement..
..was ‘meh..!’
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
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