institutional memory of being totally screwed over by previous ‘privatisation-experts/advocates’..?

..could go some way to explaining this..

oh puzzled heine..

(does that help..?..)

phil(whoar.co.nz)

If the government entering into the petrol station business would be both profitable and help reduce petrol costs why on earth should they not do it?

You could then argue that all enterprise should be in the hands of the state, because they can use our taxes to fund these businesses a competitive advantage. The government has a few core responsibilities:

1. Safety and security of it’s citizens across the world
2. Ensuring diplomatic ties and negotiating agreements on behalf of it’s citizens
3. Providing infrastructure (To a degree)
4. Providing a social safety net for people who have temporary setbacks and need assistance

The government is not there to make a profit. It is not a free enterprise. It is simply a vehicle through which we, as New Zealanders, communicate and negotiate with the world.

Kiwibank should be sold. So should plenty of other state owned assets.

Why do Kiwis trust politicians, most without any business skills or experience, to buy and run businessess that could be run by experts – and are already run by private interests. What is our fetish for Kiwi branded state operations?

Taxes are not a right, they are a privilege – and yet Labour think we should be priviledged to have our own money.

to ‘sort it out later’..how ‘to take away’ from workers etc..the rest of us..

eh..?

yeah right..!

phil(whoar.co.nz)

So you’re a National/ACT voter then phil?

Hallelujah mate, you’ve seen the light at last…

this one has ‘legs’..

that should run all the way up to the election..

the next polling after this will confirm this..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

What’s more 100% of the off-the-street interviewees was aghast at the impending sale (like it was confirmed..!). And this is somehow a major policy conflict between Key and English.

This is the MSM seizing on this minor matter to try to bring some bad-press equity to National after the unfolding sleaze that is Winston Corruption Peters, Owen Glenn etc. Must be hard for the MSM to be judicious like this. So little beat-up content on National that they’ll probably need leap on difference in Keys’ & Englishs’ favourite jam flavours to ‘create’ conflicts to report on

CEO of Consumer NZ thinks so too

“Kiwibank plays a significant role in keeping mortgage rates down and has kept some of the bigger banks from closing their branches outside the cities, said Consumer New Zealand CEO Sue Chetwin.

She said if Kiwibank was sold to an off-shore company, the internationally owned banks would have “an even more cosier relationship then they do now”.

“Kiwibank mainly targets more modest or low income people but it has actually been very competitive in what it does,” Ms Chetwin said.”

Supermarkets are unlikely to enter into unofficial cartels like banks can

Petrol stations and their supply chains?

Because its profitable and because it creates pressure and competition on the banking sector to the benefit of the New Zealand consumer, economic performance and competitiveness?

Supermarkets are unlikely to enter into unofficial cartels like banks can.

plse explain/elucidate..

i consider myself a deep green vegan humanist..

..what this means is protection for the environment..other living creatures..other humans..free speech..etc..etc..

..how you can attempt to wed this to a mega-polluting/human rights destroying state dictatorship..

..is sorta beyond my ken..

..and leads me to the conclusions..that those who attempt such contrived connections..

..don’t really have a clue what they are talking about..

..and seem to have an audio/comprehension issue..

..when they interpret support for communal/co-op actions..

..as evidence of planning another gulag…and a restoration of the soviet union..

..here in lil’ ol’ new zealand..

i mean..w.t.f. is the dairy industry..?

if not a ‘commie-co-op’..?

(which incidentally..has more of those polluting etc soviet-style abuses going on than any gathering of greens..eh..?

..however you view it..there is no connection between a modern/humanist/liberal/social democrat belief system..

..and the abuses of that failed soviet union..

so..if you could clarify what you see as these connections..?

..i may well be able to disabuse you..as to the errors of your conclusions..

this is a conversation that is well overdue..

..you lot seem to have that false-connection..as a ‘given’..

phil(whoar.co.nz)

EDIT; oh, well said, Kimble, I missed that as I was writing this.

Just how drunk are you right now, phule, that you can’t see the connection/similarity between the ideology that failed so horribly in the Soviet Union and the ideology that is driving the “humanist” political agenda?

..why do you keep banging on about the soviet union..?

..you had may as well be talking about the time of charlemagne..

..both as relevant to now as each other..

so..you hate the soviet union..we get it..!

w.t.f. does the soviet union have to do with a modern/current humanist/green political agenda..?

(as just one example..)

you seem somewhat mired in an hysterical mid-50′s reds-under-the-bed/mccarthyist mindset..

..i think things have moved on since then..eh..?

(and reading horowitz makes watching paint drying seem compelling..

..eh..?)

..phil(whoar.co.nz)

So Jeanette Fitzsimons is supposedly biased because it’s was her party’s policies that were being commented

Let’s see. What does Zentiger have to gain from an accurate analysis of the Green Party policies? At most a bit of blogosphere credit. What does Jeanette Fitzimmons / Green Party have to lose from the Exclusive Brethren analysis of their policies? And what possible interest could they have in deflecting what was warranted criticism?

Don’t let your political bias cloud your thinking, Toad.

So Jeanette Fitzsimons is supposedly biased because it’s was her party’s policies that were being commented on (in her opinion, lied about) by the EB. But ZenTiger is an independent and disinterested commentator!!! I can feel a Tui ad coming on, Pascal.

“The Road To Nowhere”, By David Horowitz.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/guides/The%20Road%20to%20Nowhere.htm

Anyone who likes reading up on their historical political analysis, this is one of the best things you’ll ever read. Philu: you’ve got all day. Please, instead of more frivolous mockery yet again, read it, and tell me if, and why, you think Horowitz is wrong.