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		<title>By: Tauhei Notts</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475470</link>
		<dc:creator>Tauhei Notts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was sadenned to read of Stephen Franks being placed so far down the list.
So far below Tisch and Goudie.
There is something unreal here.
National may suggest to TVNZ that they have a panel discussion involving all parties&#039; 60th candidates.  Franks would eat them all, then spit them out.  It would give us viewers a good understanding of the depth of a party&#039;s list.  Any outfit that has Franks at &quot;60&#039; must have many superb candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was sadenned to read of Stephen Franks being placed so far down the list.<br />
So far below Tisch and Goudie.<br />
There is something unreal here.<br />
National may suggest to TVNZ that they have a panel discussion involving all parties&#8217; 60th candidates.  Franks would eat them all, then spit them out.  It would give us viewers a good understanding of the depth of a party&#8217;s list.  Any outfit that has Franks at &#8220;60&#8242; must have many superb candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: icehawk</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475323</link>
		<dc:creator>icehawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce, David:

My 2cents worth:  I&#039;ve put your combined list below, and expanded it slightly.

I added &quot;or ECE worker&quot; to Teacher and added in a &quot;Engineer or Research Scientist&quot; category (a combination what would have most scientists and engineers I know spitting, but what the hey).  In memory of Rob Muldoon and to round out your list of traditional professions I also added &quot;Accountant&quot;.   I even found a polite phrase for  &quot;Writer, Painter, Artist, Potter, Musician or other arty-farty type&quot;.

I don&#039;t know what you meant by &quot;public sector&quot;.  There are public sector managers, public sector IT workers, public sector accountants...  if what you mean is &quot;public sector manager or policy analyist&quot; then you&#039;d best say so.

But people just don&#039;t pigeonhole well.  Take that both as a political philosophy and as a reason why this sort of thing is hard:

* Farmer
* Lawyer
* Accountant
* Journalist / broadcaster / Media worker etc.
* Teacher or ECE worker
* University lecturer
* Business Owner
* Private Sector Manager
* Public Sector
* Engineer or research scientist
* IT Professional
* Other Professional
* Unionist
* Other Community/NGO Manager/Staff
* Labourer
* Artist, Musician, Craft worker or similar 
* Home maker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce, David:</p>
<p>My 2cents worth:  I&#8217;ve put your combined list below, and expanded it slightly.</p>
<p>I added &#8220;or ECE worker&#8221; to Teacher and added in a &#8220;Engineer or Research Scientist&#8221; category (a combination what would have most scientists and engineers I know spitting, but what the hey).  In memory of Rob Muldoon and to round out your list of traditional professions I also added &#8220;Accountant&#8221;.   I even found a polite phrase for  &#8220;Writer, Painter, Artist, Potter, Musician or other arty-farty type&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what you meant by &#8220;public sector&#8221;.  There are public sector managers, public sector IT workers, public sector accountants&#8230;  if what you mean is &#8220;public sector manager or policy analyist&#8221; then you&#8217;d best say so.</p>
<p>But people just don&#8217;t pigeonhole well.  Take that both as a political philosophy and as a reason why this sort of thing is hard:</p>
<p>* Farmer<br />
* Lawyer<br />
* Accountant<br />
* Journalist / broadcaster / Media worker etc.<br />
* Teacher or ECE worker<br />
* University lecturer<br />
* Business Owner<br />
* Private Sector Manager<br />
* Public Sector<br />
* Engineer or research scientist<br />
* IT Professional<br />
* Other Professional<br />
* Unionist<br />
* Other Community/NGO Manager/Staff<br />
* Labourer<br />
* Artist, Musician, Craft worker or similar<br />
* Home maker</p>
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		<title>By: Reb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475224</link>
		<dc:creator>Reb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, so you&#039;re online this morning Jay Dee. So, about that evidence for this:

&lt;i&gt;JayDee (8) Says: Ross, The $80k donation offer has been made to ACT (foolishly in writing).&lt;/i&gt;

Source? I mean, you&#039;ve been relying on this throughout this entire thread. Just curious where you got this information, or whether you&#039;re just making shit up as you go along, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, so you&#8217;re online this morning Jay Dee. So, about that evidence for this:</p>
<p><i>JayDee (8) Says: Ross, The $80k donation offer has been made to ACT (foolishly in writing).</i></p>
<p>Source? I mean, you&#8217;ve been relying on this throughout this entire thread. Just curious where you got this information, or whether you&#8217;re just making shit up as you go along, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475200</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaulL, obviously 4 other people aren&#039;t too happy with my holding back either!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulL, obviously 4 other people aren&#8217;t too happy with my holding back either!</p>
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		<title>By: Vinick</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475198</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;BlairM, yes there is of course merit in a political party targeting a sector for votes, and the best of luck to ACT. The concern is where a donation from an interest group to a political party has strings attached. The public is very concerned about that as the Glenn and Peters donations scandals show.&quot;

You are saying that the ACT Asian Chapter is an &quot;interest group&quot; My understanding is that the Asian Chapter is just that, the Asian Chapter of the ACT Party - an internal component of the ACT Party like ACT on Campus. They are represented on the Board as a wing of the party. They are not an &quot;interest group&quot;.

I would also point out that (it is my understanding) that ACT is one of only two parties that allow their members to vote. All other parties have their Board or other powerful cliques process the entire list. I think it is admirable that ACT allows people to vote at all. I&#039;d love for National to do something similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BlairM, yes there is of course merit in a political party targeting a sector for votes, and the best of luck to ACT. The concern is where a donation from an interest group to a political party has strings attached. The public is very concerned about that as the Glenn and Peters donations scandals show.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are saying that the ACT Asian Chapter is an &#8220;interest group&#8221; My understanding is that the Asian Chapter is just that, the Asian Chapter of the ACT Party &#8211; an internal component of the ACT Party like ACT on Campus. They are represented on the Board as a wing of the party. They are not an &#8220;interest group&#8221;.</p>
<p>I would also point out that (it is my understanding) that ACT is one of only two parties that allow their members to vote. All other parties have their Board or other powerful cliques process the entire list. I think it is admirable that ACT allows people to vote at all. I&#8217;d love for National to do something similar.</p>
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		<title>By: JayDee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475188</link>
		<dc:creator>JayDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BlairM, yes there is of course merit in a political party targeting a sector for votes, and the best of luck to ACT. The concern is where a donation from an interest group to a political party has strings attached. The public is very concerned about that as the Glenn and Peters donations scandals show.

ACT does not disclose (even to its own candidates!) how members ranked the list placings. There is a very good reason for this; there&#039;s very little correlation between the Board list ranking and the members ranking. The ACT list is in effect done by appointment by a small Board, not selection by party members. If it were the latter, there would be no concern and no grounds to suggest impropriety. If ACT is to continue with this degree of non-disclosure about its selection process it needs to be more transparent about the source of its political donations. It needs to do what it is asking other parties to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BlairM, yes there is of course merit in a political party targeting a sector for votes, and the best of luck to ACT. The concern is where a donation from an interest group to a political party has strings attached. The public is very concerned about that as the Glenn and Peters donations scandals show.</p>
<p>ACT does not disclose (even to its own candidates!) how members ranked the list placings. There is a very good reason for this; there&#8217;s very little correlation between the Board list ranking and the members ranking. The ACT list is in effect done by appointment by a small Board, not selection by party members. If it were the latter, there would be no concern and no grounds to suggest impropriety. If ACT is to continue with this degree of non-disclosure about its selection process it needs to be more transparent about the source of its political donations. It needs to do what it is asking other parties to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Reb</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475185</link>
		<dc:creator>Reb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Bruceh… Thank you for confirming the $80k. You may be right.. it could all be a series of coincidences… it could be a coincidence that Mr Wang is now seeking the #2 slot on the list… a conincidence that in 2005 the Asian Chapter offered a donation of $250k for a high slot for the same candidate … and a coincidence that Mr Wang did receive a listing high enough to become an MP on Richard Prebbles retirement. Yes… I fully accept those could be a series of coincidences.&lt;/i&gt;

So where is the evidence of this 80k in writing again?

&lt;i&gt;JayDee (8)  Says: Ross, The $80k donation offer has been made to ACT (foolishly in writing).&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bruceh… Thank you for confirming the $80k. You may be right.. it could all be a series of coincidences… it could be a coincidence that Mr Wang is now seeking the #2 slot on the list… a conincidence that in 2005 the Asian Chapter offered a donation of $250k for a high slot for the same candidate … and a coincidence that Mr Wang did receive a listing high enough to become an MP on Richard Prebbles retirement. Yes… I fully accept those could be a series of coincidences.</i></p>
<p>So where is the evidence of this 80k in writing again?</p>
<p><i>JayDee (8)  Says: Ross, The $80k donation offer has been made to ACT (foolishly in writing).</i></p>
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		<title>By: OECD rank 22 kiwi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475182</link>
		<dc:creator>OECD rank 22 kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we can take it as given that the National party has &lt;b&gt;BLACKBALLED&lt;/b&gt; Stephen Franks.

Voting National is hardly a vote for change.  Only ACT is going to deliver New Zealand economic salvation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can take it as given that the National party has <b>BLACKBALLED</b> Stephen Franks.</p>
<p>Voting National is hardly a vote for change.  Only ACT is going to deliver New Zealand economic salvation.</p>
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		<title>By: Payne</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475165</link>
		<dc:creator>Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JayDee said &#039;and a coincidence that Mr Wang did receive a listing high enough to become an MP on Richard Prebbles retirement&#039;

I thought Kenneth became an MP after Donna was removed? Did Richard not stay a MP until the election?

This is a rather borning list, which is a very good idea for National. It has some talent further down and will not scare the horses. It was also great to see Franks down so low, he would have been a pain in the ass in cacus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JayDee said &#8216;and a coincidence that Mr Wang did receive a listing high enough to become an MP on Richard Prebbles retirement&#8217;</p>
<p>I thought Kenneth became an MP after Donna was removed? Did Richard not stay a MP until the election?</p>
<p>This is a rather borning list, which is a very good idea for National. It has some talent further down and will not scare the horses. It was also great to see Franks down so low, he would have been a pain in the ass in cacus.</p>
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		<title>By: BlairM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475161</link>
		<dc:creator>BlairM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JayDee, I think you will find that ACT are keen to court the vote that a fluent Mandarin speaker and prominent Chinese New Zealander such as Wang could campaign for on their behalf.  It may well be that this also brings donations for ACT, but obviously the point is to get votes.  You pick candidates that can get those votes and you rank them on your list so as to maximise your vote.  ACT is a political party, not a cartel or a business.  Do you have a problem with ACT maximising its vote so it can implement its policies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JayDee, I think you will find that ACT are keen to court the vote that a fluent Mandarin speaker and prominent Chinese New Zealander such as Wang could campaign for on their behalf.  It may well be that this also brings donations for ACT, but obviously the point is to get votes.  You pick candidates that can get those votes and you rank them on your list so as to maximise your vote.  ACT is a political party, not a cartel or a business.  Do you have a problem with ACT maximising its vote so it can implement its policies?</p>
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		<title>By: bruceh</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475160</link>
		<dc:creator>bruceh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I suggested, JayDee is a happy conspiracist, enjoying his own closed circuit world. What psychopathology is he needing to feed by continually bringing this thread off topic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I suggested, JayDee is a happy conspiracist, enjoying his own closed circuit world. What psychopathology is he needing to feed by continually bringing this thread off topic?</p>
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		<title>By: JayDee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475153</link>
		<dc:creator>JayDee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruceh... Thank you for confirming the $80k. You may be right.. it could all be a series of coincidences... it could be a coincidence that Mr Wang is now seeking the #2 slot on the list... a conincidence that in 2005 the Asian Chapter offered a donation of $250k for a high slot for the same candidate ... and a coincidence that Mr Wang did receive a listing high enough to become an MP on Richard Prebbles retirement. Yes... I fully accept those could be a series of coincidences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruceh&#8230; Thank you for confirming the $80k. You may be right.. it could all be a series of coincidences&#8230; it could be a coincidence that Mr Wang is now seeking the #2 slot on the list&#8230; a conincidence that in 2005 the Asian Chapter offered a donation of $250k for a high slot for the same candidate &#8230; and a coincidence that Mr Wang did receive a listing high enough to become an MP on Richard Prebbles retirement. Yes&#8230; I fully accept those could be a series of coincidences.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinick</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475149</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$80k for a number 2 placing JayDee? Are you serious?! 

What a joke. $80k is nothing, and I would have thought such a suggestion would be laughed at.

One position it might buy though - last. I heard that ACT candidates (used to?) bid on the last spot on the list - a perverse sort of honour. Garry Mallett coughs up quite a few thousand for it apparently :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$80k for a number 2 placing JayDee? Are you serious?! </p>
<p>What a joke. $80k is nothing, and I would have thought such a suggestion would be laughed at.</p>
<p>One position it might buy though &#8211; last. I heard that ACT candidates (used to?) bid on the last spot on the list &#8211; a perverse sort of honour. Garry Mallett coughs up quite a few thousand for it apparently <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: bruceh</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475132</link>
		<dc:creator>bruceh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets see, is JayDee a factionalist conspiracist type by any chance? Anyhow, maybe we can just do some facts, to set caring minds at rest. $80000 and Asian Chapter was mentioned. Yes, this is ACT Asia Chapter&#039;s proudly expressed campaign budget set earlier this year for which they are enthusiastically fund raising for to be used as part of ACTs party vote campaign.  

Any claimed association with a list position is just that - claimed. No it&#039;s less than that, just cheapshot scuttlebutt which says more about how the claimant does his or her bitter little life. It&#039;s factually false, worthy of ignoring except that in this instance I thought it was a slight against our Asian Chapter community, I have friends there and if you think I&#039;m taking this a little personally you could be right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets see, is JayDee a factionalist conspiracist type by any chance? Anyhow, maybe we can just do some facts, to set caring minds at rest. $80000 and Asian Chapter was mentioned. Yes, this is ACT Asia Chapter&#8217;s proudly expressed campaign budget set earlier this year for which they are enthusiastically fund raising for to be used as part of ACTs party vote campaign.  </p>
<p>Any claimed association with a list position is just that &#8211; claimed. No it&#8217;s less than that, just cheapshot scuttlebutt which says more about how the claimant does his or her bitter little life. It&#8217;s factually false, worthy of ignoring except that in this instance I thought it was a slight against our Asian Chapter community, I have friends there and if you think I&#8217;m taking this a little personally you could be right.</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Raider</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475131</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RRM how about Clark feeding incorrect information to the SST on the ex Police Commisioner.

All the Police reports and witnesses said that the breath tester was never visible and that the Commissioner never said &quot;that won&#039;t be necessary&quot;.

The SST journalist and editor both swore under oath in court that Helen told them these facts. And you can&#039;t claim the SST is a right leaning paper.

She got someone sacked because he didn&#039;t fit under her mould.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RRM how about Clark feeding incorrect information to the SST on the ex Police Commisioner.</p>
<p>All the Police reports and witnesses said that the breath tester was never visible and that the Commissioner never said &#8220;that won&#8217;t be necessary&#8221;.</p>
<p>The SST journalist and editor both swore under oath in court that Helen told them these facts. And you can&#8217;t claim the SST is a right leaning paper.</p>
<p>She got someone sacked because he didn&#8217;t fit under her mould.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475130</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stephen - now you have me wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stephen &#8211; now you have me wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475123</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deleted, can&#039;t be bothered bringing up that old chestnut</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deleted, can&#8217;t be bothered bringing up that old chestnut</p>
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		<title>By: PaulL</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475122</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jaydee: any evidence of that ACT/asian slur?  I haven&#039;t heard it before, and it doesn&#039;t really sound all that believable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jaydee: any evidence of that ACT/asian slur?  I haven&#8217;t heard it before, and it doesn&#8217;t really sound all that believable.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475121</link>
		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: 

&quot;I will not ever be bullied into defending accusations such as those you make in your second last paragraph&quot;

LOL :-)</description>
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<p>&#8220;I will not ever be bullied into defending accusations such as those you make in your second last paragraph&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/nationals_2008_party_list.html#comment-475120</link>
		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bb: But you&#039;re saying that I&#039;M the one who &quot;thinks a persons sexuality is that important in todays world&quot;

Southern Raider: Spit it out, man! 
WHAT about Clark&#039;s relationship with Davis would so horrify the voters that &quot;Labour would go down quicker than a Zepplin&quot;???</description>
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<p>Southern Raider: Spit it out, man!<br />
WHAT about Clark&#8217;s relationship with Davis would so horrify the voters that &#8220;Labour would go down quicker than a Zepplin&#8221;???</p>
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