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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471619</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how quickly Power, the Chair, can move this along?

Not to ignore the inevitable inertia from Cullen, the Deputy Chair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how quickly Power, the Chair, can move this along?</p>
<p>Not to ignore the inevitable inertia from Cullen, the Deputy Chair.</p>
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		<title>By: gd</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471513</link>
		<dc:creator>gd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas  whilst my heart tells me that the PC will do the right and honourable thing and act in an ethical and moral manner my head tells me we are now dealing with politics in New Zealand in 2008 where good governance principles are no longer the order of the day and the citizens right to view the Parliament as an honourable institution is now in tatters.

There are now a shrinking minority of inhabitants in the House that any good decent citizen can have any respect for and that is a very sad thing.

When the citizens come to view those who would be their representatives as unworthy  then those same citizens will switch off and regard the Parliament as a irrelevancy to their lives.

If this is the case then all Members stand guilty of bringing the Parliament into disrepute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas  whilst my heart tells me that the PC will do the right and honourable thing and act in an ethical and moral manner my head tells me we are now dealing with politics in New Zealand in 2008 where good governance principles are no longer the order of the day and the citizens right to view the Parliament as an honourable institution is now in tatters.</p>
<p>There are now a shrinking minority of inhabitants in the House that any good decent citizen can have any respect for and that is a very sad thing.</p>
<p>When the citizens come to view those who would be their representatives as unworthy  then those same citizens will switch off and regard the Parliament as a irrelevancy to their lives.</p>
<p>If this is the case then all Members stand guilty of bringing the Parliament into disrepute.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex Widerstrom</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471511</link>
		<dc:creator>Rex Widerstrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent set of questions DPF but I&#039;m concerned by Simon Power&#039;s seemingly already laying the groundwork for nothing to happen because of the imminence of Parliament rising for the election. That would suggest the Committee need convene immediately, and get as much as possible into the open in the next five to seven weeks.

Indeed it&#039;s possible that, having survived todays &quot;confidence vote&quot; the PM will see value in an early election. It shuts down the Peters-related investigation, allows her to go at a time when &quot;National&#039;s secret agenda&quot; is on everyone&#039;s lips and, from her perspective, Labour&#039;s own performance and reputation can only get worse.

Equally disappointing is the head of the SFO implying there&#039;s not enough evidence to mount an investigation. Perhaps he missed the class at Plod College where it was pointed out that the purpose of an investigation is to &lt;i&gt;uncover&lt;/i&gt; evidence.

My own experiences suggest the coppers don&#039;t need a whole lot of &quot;evidence&quot; before they boot your door down at dawn and haul you off, making sure the media know they have a high-profile captive so they look good on the news. Any investigation of the Peters matters won&#039;t involve anything like that level of trauma to those under investigation, so why the reluctance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent set of questions DPF but I&#8217;m concerned by Simon Power&#8217;s seemingly already laying the groundwork for nothing to happen because of the imminence of Parliament rising for the election. That would suggest the Committee need convene immediately, and get as much as possible into the open in the next five to seven weeks.</p>
<p>Indeed it&#8217;s possible that, having survived todays &#8220;confidence vote&#8221; the PM will see value in an early election. It shuts down the Peters-related investigation, allows her to go at a time when &#8220;National&#8217;s secret agenda&#8221; is on everyone&#8217;s lips and, from her perspective, Labour&#8217;s own performance and reputation can only get worse.</p>
<p>Equally disappointing is the head of the SFO implying there&#8217;s not enough evidence to mount an investigation. Perhaps he missed the class at Plod College where it was pointed out that the purpose of an investigation is to <i>uncover</i> evidence.</p>
<p>My own experiences suggest the coppers don&#8217;t need a whole lot of &#8220;evidence&#8221; before they boot your door down at dawn and haul you off, making sure the media know they have a high-profile captive so they look good on the news. Any investigation of the Peters matters won&#8217;t involve anything like that level of trauma to those under investigation, so why the reluctance?</p>
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		<title>By: freethinker</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471482</link>
		<dc:creator>freethinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Peters is not a beneficiary of The Spencer Trust what are the ramifications of any payments made to him by said trust?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Peters is not a beneficiary of The Spencer Trust what are the ramifications of any payments made to him by said trust?</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471412</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Better a yellow jacket than a yellow belly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Better a yellow jacket than a yellow belly.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471385</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;... which is not a good look.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This from a man with a yellow jacket ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230; which is not a good look.</p></blockquote>
<p>This from a man with a yellow jacket <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471379</link>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Owen Glenn has been honoured by the NZ Govt for his contribution to NZ, has a business school named after him etc and is seeking a diplomatic appointment - it is unthinkable that he would not co-operate and agree to testify by way of video-conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Owen Glenn has been honoured by the NZ Govt for his contribution to NZ, has a business school named after him etc and is seeking a diplomatic appointment &#8211; it is unthinkable that he would not co-operate and agree to testify by way of video-conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed eight rifles, seven live rounds, one blank and a blindfold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed eight rifles, seven live rounds, one blank and a blindfold.</p>
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		<title>By: dave strings</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471310</link>
		<dc:creator>dave strings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;
&gt;&gt;Strictly speaking a client has no contract with his Barrister

Not necessarily true, I have had a direct client/Barrister relationship where the invoices were sent directly to me - my Barrister understood my reluctance to explain a complicated business transaction indirectly, and my usual Solicitor (who doesn&#039;t - of course - solicit) had no problem standing out of the loop and not collecting fees for collecting fees.


FillYou - does anyone but you read your blog?


Folks - why do some of you use the term &quot;final confidence vote&quot;?  It&#039;s my understanding that there is one more supply vote needed in this parliament, but a confidence motion can be put at any time can&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;Strictly speaking a client has no contract with his Barrister</p>
<p>Not necessarily true, I have had a direct client/Barrister relationship where the invoices were sent directly to me &#8211; my Barrister understood my reluctance to explain a complicated business transaction indirectly, and my usual Solicitor (who doesn&#8217;t &#8211; of course &#8211; solicit) had no problem standing out of the loop and not collecting fees for collecting fees.</p>
<p>FillYou &#8211; does anyone but you read your blog?</p>
<p>Folks &#8211; why do some of you use the term &#8220;final confidence vote&#8221;?  It&#8217;s my understanding that there is one more supply vote needed in this parliament, but a confidence motion can be put at any time can&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Hide</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471292</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney Hide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Privileges Committee has the power to require people to appear and to produce records.  It is the only committee with that direct power. All other committees have to exercise that power through the Speaker.

The relevant standing order is 391(2) : &quot;The Committee has the power to send for persons, papers and records&quot;.

Someone who refuses needs a reason that will satisfy the Committee otherwise they can be found in contempt of Parliament, which is not a good look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Privileges Committee has the power to require people to appear and to produce records.  It is the only committee with that direct power. All other committees have to exercise that power through the Speaker.</p>
<p>The relevant standing order is 391(2) : &#8220;The Committee has the power to send for persons, papers and records&#8221;.</p>
<p>Someone who refuses needs a reason that will satisfy the Committee otherwise they can be found in contempt of Parliament, which is not a good look.</p>
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		<title>By: Vinick</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471260</link>
		<dc:creator>Vinick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DPF,

Can the Committee compel Glenn to appear? What powers do they have with the general public? I read somewhere that they can jail fellow MPs!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DPF,</p>
<p>Can the Committee compel Glenn to appear? What powers do they have with the general public? I read somewhere that they can jail fellow MPs!?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Marsden</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471248</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Marsden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...So Henry thinks this will be a bit of fun, eh?  (Jeez, being reading too much of philu!)

Anyway, hardly the right choice of public speak for a barrister, one would have thought??  But then, being a joint member of the AEO club (arrogant/egotistical/obnoxious), its hardly surprising.

His disclosure, discloses something to I hide, I strongly suggest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;So Henry thinks this will be a bit of fun, eh?  (Jeez, being reading too much of philu!)</p>
<p>Anyway, hardly the right choice of public speak for a barrister, one would have thought??  But then, being a joint member of the AEO club (arrogant/egotistical/obnoxious), its hardly surprising.</p>
<p>His disclosure, discloses something to I hide, I strongly suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471244</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chicken..little..or..should..I..say..large..?!

Agree, cluck orf phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chicken..little..or..should..I..say..large..?!</p>
<p>Agree, cluck orf phil</p>
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		<title>By: Chicken Little</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471241</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicken Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phule - why don&#039;t you comment on YOUR site about Keys appearance on Breakfast.

You know, your 2 million plus hits a week site that everyone reads.

Your going off subject on EVERY post on this site is just getting tiresome. And no its not tiresome because of your cutting analysis, its tiresome because your gibberish is BORING.

Don&#039;t bother to reply I have no interest in what you&#039;ll say.

edit  - what pascal said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phule &#8211; why don&#8217;t you comment on YOUR site about Keys appearance on Breakfast.</p>
<p>You know, your 2 million plus hits a week site that everyone reads.</p>
<p>Your going off subject on EVERY post on this site is just getting tiresome. And no its not tiresome because of your cutting analysis, its tiresome because your gibberish is BORING.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t bother to reply I have no interest in what you&#8217;ll say.</p>
<p>edit  &#8211; what pascal said.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471240</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m assuming that Helen will be able to &#039;reluctantly&#039; act on any PC findings after the final confidence vote. 

Appease the voters, while shedding crocodile tears to Winnie: &quot;Sorry about that. My hands were tied. Good luck and I&#039;ll work with you again post election. More scampi?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m assuming that Helen will be able to &#8216;reluctantly&#8217; act on any PC findings after the final confidence vote. </p>
<p>Appease the voters, while shedding crocodile tears to Winnie: &#8220;Sorry about that. My hands were tied. Good luck and I&#8217;ll work with you again post election. More scampi?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471239</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>philu: &lt;blockquote&gt;if not here..where..?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You sign it to all your posts. whoar.co.nz. If anybody is interested in reading and responding they will do so there. 

Now, what is the scope of this type of investigation and what are the possible results that can come from this? Is it possible that they will look into how donations from this same group of people flowed into other political parties or is this restricted only to Winston Peters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>philu:<br />
<blockquote>if not here..where..?</p></blockquote>
<p>You sign it to all your posts. whoar.co.nz. If anybody is interested in reading and responding they will do so there. </p>
<p>Now, what is the scope of this type of investigation and what are the possible results that can come from this? Is it possible that they will look into how donations from this same group of people flowed into other political parties or is this restricted only to Winston Peters?</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471236</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peters will get let off in another liarboe farce - it will be well known in years to come as the final straw that broke the camels back in election year 2008...the public will revolt.

God you liabore apologists disgust me - get a job, a real job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peters will get let off in another liarboe farce &#8211; it will be well known in years to come as the final straw that broke the camels back in election year 2008&#8230;the public will revolt.</p>
<p>God you liabore apologists disgust me &#8211; get a job, a real job.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostwhowalks2</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471235</link>
		<dc:creator>ghostwhowalks2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is total fantasy on your part.  Expert advice from the Law society on barrister fees ?  You really gone into cukoo land over this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is total fantasy on your part.  Expert advice from the Law society on barrister fees ?  You really gone into cukoo land over this</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471234</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>try the standard phil, thats &#039;your place&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>try the standard phil, thats &#8216;your place&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/08/preparing_for_privileges.html#comment-471232</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are we allowed to comment on keys&#039; appearance on breakfast this morning..?..here..?

(or is that a ten-pointer..?...)

if not here..where..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are we allowed to comment on keys&#8217; appearance on breakfast this morning..?..here..?</p>
<p>(or is that a ten-pointer..?&#8230;)</p>
<p>if not here..where..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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