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	<title>Comments on: A good suggestion from Laila</title>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491177</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Both Clark and Key would (should) lose votes to the minor parties for their arrogance,&quot;

Heh, everybody says that (including me) but if people were that responsive to the actions of politicians, Labour would probably be polling at...er, much much lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Both Clark and Key would (should) lose votes to the minor parties for their arrogance,&#8221;</p>
<p>Heh, everybody says that (including me) but if people were that responsive to the actions of politicians, Labour would probably be polling at&#8230;er, much much lower.</p>
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		<title>By: side show bob</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491162</link>
		<dc:creator>side show bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal, &quot;Dear Leader is accountable to me. To you. To Philu. To Redbaiter. To all of us.&quot;, very good Pascal and how&#039;s the weather in the alternate universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal, &#8220;Dear Leader is accountable to me. To you. To Philu. To Redbaiter. To all of us.&#8221;, very good Pascal and how&#8217;s the weather in the alternate universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491132</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would National be in the right wing debate? ACT are the only party with right wing policies :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would National be in the right wing debate? ACT are the only party with right wing policies <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mr Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491129</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 00:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clark and Key are being pretty arrogant over this. We minor party debates instead. Bring in Richard Lewis (shamless plug!) and others if they like to bolster the numbers. Both Clark and Key would (should) lose votes to the minor parties for their arrogance, especially if there were more minor party debates than Clark/Key debates. This would result in better informed voting and a greater diversity of representation in parliament after the election, rather than people just picking between Labour and National.

Left/right won&#039;t work, Dunne, Peters and the Maori party would argue too much about which side to go on. Keep it simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark and Key are being pretty arrogant over this. We minor party debates instead. Bring in Richard Lewis (shamless plug!) and others if they like to bolster the numbers. Both Clark and Key would (should) lose votes to the minor parties for their arrogance, especially if there were more minor party debates than Clark/Key debates. This would result in better informed voting and a greater diversity of representation in parliament after the election, rather than people just picking between Labour and National.</p>
<p>Left/right won&#8217;t work, Dunne, Peters and the Maori party would argue too much about which side to go on. Keep it simple.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491081</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*snort*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*snort*</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491071</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw it, Election &#039;08 THUNDERDOME!

Two candidates enter, one candidate leaves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Screw it, Election &#8217;08 THUNDERDOME!</p>
<p>Two candidates enter, one candidate leaves!</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491067</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Especially if you restrict them to left / right groups, because there is no incentive to anger future coalition partners.&quot;

But the thing is, they&#039;re all competing for the votes of the coalition partners - no party really wants to be in a coalition, they&#039;d much rather govern alone. Course maybe they&#039;re all a bunch of self interested pricks who might stitch up a deal beforehand, and just spend the debate having a go at the &#039;enemy&#039; parties, I dunno.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Especially if you restrict them to left / right groups, because there is no incentive to anger future coalition partners.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the thing is, they&#8217;re all competing for the votes of the coalition partners &#8211; no party really wants to be in a coalition, they&#8217;d much rather govern alone. Course maybe they&#8217;re all a bunch of self interested pricks who might stitch up a deal beforehand, and just spend the debate having a go at the &#8216;enemy&#8217; parties, I dunno.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491053</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, the pollies will say all sorts of crap in debates as well. Especially if you restrict them to left / right groups, because there is no incentive to anger future coalition partners. I still think this is wrong though. Politicians debating other politicians? Is Helen Clark accountable to John Key? No. Helen Clark is accountable to me. To you. To philu. To Redbaiter. To all of us. 

If you have to have a debate then the minors should be included as well. Like it or not this is a MMP system and all of them have a say. But, this is New Zealand. Labour has turned this into one of the more undemocratic countries in the world so I&#039;m not surprised that both Key and Clark are willing to have a solo debate. They willingly lock out the others.

Whichever way you cut it, it&#039;s stuffed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, the pollies will say all sorts of crap in debates as well. Especially if you restrict them to left / right groups, because there is no incentive to anger future coalition partners. I still think this is wrong though. Politicians debating other politicians? Is Helen Clark accountable to John Key? No. Helen Clark is accountable to me. To you. To philu. To Redbaiter. To all of us. </p>
<p>If you have to have a debate then the minors should be included as well. Like it or not this is a MMP system and all of them have a say. But, this is New Zealand. Labour has turned this into one of the more undemocratic countries in the world so I&#8217;m not surprised that both Key and Clark are willing to have a solo debate. They willingly lock out the others.</p>
<p>Whichever way you cut it, it&#8217;s stuffed.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491006</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pascal, I&#039;d rather have some debates as it gives the participants the opportunity for an immediate right of reply to whatever the other(s) is saying about them. During a public engagement the pollies can say all sorts of crap, and get away with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pascal, I&#8217;d rather have some debates as it gives the participants the opportunity for an immediate right of reply to whatever the other(s) is saying about them. During a public engagement the pollies can say all sorts of crap, and get away with it!</p>
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		<title>By: Owen McShane</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-491003</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen McShane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other less radical proposal would be to have the Key Clark debate and then another one for the rest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other less radical proposal would be to have the Key Clark debate and then another one for the rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Pascal</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-490991</link>
		<dc:creator>Pascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we do away with these debates? I&#039;d much rather have the politicians be accountable to the people and have more frequent stops and public engagements, rather than just snuffling along with the other pigs in the trough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we do away with these debates? I&#8217;d much rather have the politicians be accountable to the people and have more frequent stops and public engagements, rather than just snuffling along with the other pigs in the trough.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-490986</link>
		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; You may also get some really informative discussions in the “left” and “right” debates as they talk about what pace or what blend of policies is best, rather than the normal we are good you are evil rhetoric. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah! I&#039;d much rather see left parties scoring points off of other left parties - if it means not hearing the phrase &#039;secret agenda&#039; during the debates, i&#039;m for it. Mind you, Clark would look pretty nutty going on about that during a debate - would probably get Anderton to do the dirty stuff like in 2005.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> You may also get some really informative discussions in the “left” and “right” debates as they talk about what pace or what blend of policies is best, rather than the normal we are good you are evil rhetoric. </p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah! I&#8217;d much rather see left parties scoring points off of other left parties &#8211; if it means not hearing the phrase &#8216;secret agenda&#8217; during the debates, i&#8217;m for it. Mind you, Clark would look pretty nutty going on about that during a debate &#8211; would probably get Anderton to do the dirty stuff like in 2005.</p>
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		<title>By: Murray</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-490984</link>
		<dc:creator>Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell has that slug Dunne got to do with the right?

Hell Key is on thin ice himself.

As always the left are by their nature not team players and fractional with their debates all being &quot;en masse&quot;. I understand theres a word for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell has that slug Dunne got to do with the right?</p>
<p>Hell Key is on thin ice himself.</p>
<p>As always the left are by their nature not team players and fractional with their debates all being &#8220;en masse&#8221;. I understand theres a word for that.</p>
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		<title>By: freedom101</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-490982</link>
		<dc:creator>freedom101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A smokescreen posting from DPF - but it can&#039;t hide the deeply anti-democratic nature of the Klark/Cey axis on this one.

The networks won&#039;t run with this for the same reason they have canned the minor party debate.  Not commercially viable - typical of Laila Harre to suggest something that&#039;s impractical and involves other peoples&#039; money. 

A commercially viable solution is to have two debates:
1/  All parties
2/  The two major leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A smokescreen posting from DPF &#8211; but it can&#8217;t hide the deeply anti-democratic nature of the Klark/Cey axis on this one.</p>
<p>The networks won&#8217;t run with this for the same reason they have canned the minor party debate.  Not commercially viable &#8211; typical of Laila Harre to suggest something that&#8217;s impractical and involves other peoples&#8217; money. </p>
<p>A commercially viable solution is to have two debates:<br />
1/  All parties<br />
2/  The two major leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: goodgod</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-490975</link>
		<dc:creator>goodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;‘Left’ and ‘right’ is so-o-o 20th century…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

how about 

&quot;emotional children&quot; vs. &quot;rational adults&quot;? 

&quot;insane&quot; vs. &quot;sane&quot;?  

&quot;common sense&quot; vs. &quot;liberal inability to decide&quot;?

&quot;corrupt&quot; vs. &quot;suggested to be corrupt&quot;?

the greens would get a lot of debating time using these measures :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>‘Left’ and ‘right’ is so-o-o 20th century…</p></blockquote>
<p>how about </p>
<p>&#8220;emotional children&#8221; vs. &#8220;rational adults&#8221;? </p>
<p>&#8220;insane&#8221; vs. &#8220;sane&#8221;?  </p>
<p>&#8220;common sense&#8221; vs. &#8220;liberal inability to decide&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;corrupt&#8221; vs. &#8220;suggested to be corrupt&#8221;?</p>
<p>the greens would get a lot of debating time using these measures <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Redbaiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-490959</link>
		<dc:creator>Redbaiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But but but, they&#039;re all centrist aren&#039;t they????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But but but, they&#8217;re all centrist aren&#8217;t they????</p>
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		<title>By: minette</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-490958</link>
		<dc:creator>minette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never thought I&#039;d agree with &#039;jocko&#039; but on this occasion he&#039;s correct.... surely the Greens, Janderton, the Maori party, ACT and United Future are all Leftist early adopter  Labour heresies...............while the Nats are fast followers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never thought I&#8217;d agree with &#8216;jocko&#8217; but on this occasion he&#8217;s correct&#8230;. surely the Greens, Janderton, the Maori party, ACT and United Future are all Leftist early adopter  Labour heresies&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;while the Nats are fast followers!</p>
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		<title>By: dime</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-490957</link>
		<dc:creator>dime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isnt Labour just a minor party now?

im all for key v clarke! all they need to do now is to put her in a booth so she cant drown key out by husterically screaming &quot;loss of jobs&quot; &quot;national will sell everything&quot; etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isnt Labour just a minor party now?</p>
<p>im all for key v clarke! all they need to do now is to put her in a booth so she cant drown key out by husterically screaming &#8220;loss of jobs&#8221; &#8220;national will sell everything&#8221; etc</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy Gonzales</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/a_good_suggestion_from_laila.html#comment-490952</link>
		<dc:creator>Zippy Gonzales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a place for debates between just Key and Clark. JC&#039;s memorable debate between Brash and Clark, when the definition of mainstream became an election decider, was sweet. But for Clark and Key to veto the Leaders Debate is reprehensible. It&#039;s not up to them. The leaders of all parties who want to control the next government should appear before the people. One of the great benefits of having all the leaders on one pulpit is to gauge the vibes between the whole lot of them. The jibes, the body language, the agreements and disagreements.

Score 10 points to H2 for fooling the Nats into flicking off the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a place for debates between just Key and Clark. JC&#8217;s memorable debate between Brash and Clark, when the definition of mainstream became an election decider, was sweet. But for Clark and Key to veto the Leaders Debate is reprehensible. It&#8217;s not up to them. The leaders of all parties who want to control the next government should appear before the people. One of the great benefits of having all the leaders on one pulpit is to gauge the vibes between the whole lot of them. The jibes, the body language, the agreements and disagreements.</p>
<p>Score 10 points to H2 for fooling the Nats into flicking off the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we have no debates and just hold the election this coming Saturday? I&#039;m ready to vote and I&#039;m free this Saturday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we have no debates and just hold the election this coming Saturday? I&#8217;m ready to vote and I&#8217;m free this Saturday.</p>
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