A third policy released by Trevor

September 9th, 2008 at 11:20 am by David Farrar

This is getting rather untidy for . Trevor Mallard has released a third policy on behalf of National. Luckily for National all three – Environment, Conservation and Research Science & Technology have been pretty low key, but it is not at all a good look.

While one can’t know for sure, how Trevor got hold of the policies, his fanciful suggestions of an anti-Key faction in Caucus leaking to him are more a wet dream, than reality. And even if there was such a faction, they would never ever leak to Trevor – they would leak to journalists. Almost every National MP (and staffer) would rather cut off their left testicle/breast than leak to Trevor.

It is likely that all the policies were together and either left somewhere or maybe accidentally e-mail to a wrong recipient. This happens more often than you might think. It could be that some third party got hold of them accidentally and is feeding them to Mallard.

There is the possibility it is somone acting maliciously – for example someone with system administrative privileges to Parliamentary Service servers. I’m not saying it is, just that is one of a number of possibilities.

But regardless a nuisance and distraction National could do without.

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68 Responses to “A third policy released by Trevor”

  1. big bruv (14,156 comments) says:

    And that people is todays distraction released by the corrupt Labour party in an effort to divert attention from the Owen Glenn saga.

    If Key had any political nous he would be turning this straight back onto Labour and further cementing their connection with Peters, instead he will apologise and fall right into Labour’s trap.

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  2. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    DPF have you not considered the most likely possibility – that Labour are inappropriately using their control over the police and SIS to spy on National, and have been doing so for at least three years, since Don Brash’s emails were leaked? If I were John Key I would demand a full inquiry into the activites of the Wellington police and the SIS as regards the National Party in the last 9 years. I for one would be ready to bet that that is where all of this fortuitous information Labour has been getting its filthy fingers on is coming from.

    A chilling reminder of what abusive politicians can do when allowed to run rampant by effete liberals and a compliant leftist-biased news media.

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  3. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Come on guys be fair to Trev the Muss.

    He has to release National party policy, he, himself has bugger all else to do and Labour has no policy of its own to release.

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  4. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    big bruv Right ON Pushmepullme Also Right ON

    methinks it may be time for the Freedom Fighters to kidnap Trev and waterboard him until his fesses up to how he got the stuff.

    then terminate the source of the documents with extreme prejudice

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  5. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    There is the possibility it is somone acting maliciously

    More than possible

    - for example someone with system administrative privileges to Parliamentary Service servers. I’m not saying it is, just that is one of a number of possibilities.

    Not very likely & hard to cover up.

    DPF have you not considered the most likely possibility – that Labour are inappropriately using their control over the police and SIS to spy on National

    Ludicrous.

    That they were left lying around is the most likely (although it should be evident who left them lying around, surely & if more appear the likelihood that this is the case will diminsh), followed by a leak from a Nat staffer.

    [DPF: Llew the last time I checked Parl Serv has no monitoring or auditing of what files are viewed or copied by people with system access. ]

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  6. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    Dontchu worry gd Big Trev will get his post November when corruption and treason charges are brought… he will be looking at fifteen years.

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  7. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    national are giving every impression of being unable to run a piss-up in a brewery..

    ..key seems ‘not in control’..

    ..and national a bunch of competing factions jockeying for position..

    ..and if key can’t even run his party..

    ..how can anyone believe he could..both control those factions..and even run the place..?

    ..given what we are seeing here..

    ..and the pressure must be getting to key..

    ..he is increasingly developing a fixed-smile/dis-connect persona in public..

    ..phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  8. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    Ah Llew I am pleased to meet such a rare specimen… somebody who believes there are depths to which Labour will not stoop

    So tell me Llew did you have a nice time living in a cave for the last nine years?

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  9. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    If I were John Key I would demand a full inquiry into the activites of the Wellington police and the SIS as regards the National Party in the last 9 years.

    No need, he can look for himself when he’s in charge in a few months.

    I for one would be ready to bet that that is where all of this fortuitous information Labour has been getting its filthy fingers on is coming from.

    The most ridiculous explanation is rarely the right one.

    A chilling reminder of what abusive politicians can do when allowed to run rampant by effete liberals and a compliant leftist-biased news media.

    Or of an imagination fuelled by paranoia allowed to run rampant.

    It will be a simple explanation, a bit like that messenger who just handed copies of files to Telecom.

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  10. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    pushmegentlycaressyou is funny today..!

    wot with the ‘treason’/’filthy fingers’..?

    very ‘purple’..

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  11. Ross Miller (1,706 comments) says:

    Is it just possible that Labour might have done a “Watergate’ on National’s Parliamentary Offices.

    Impossible
    Surely Impossible
    Impossible Surely
    Surely
    Possible Surely
    Surely Possible
    Possible

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  12. slightlyrighty (2,475 comments) says:

    Nothing to see here. After 4.30 this afternoon this won’t be the big story anymore.

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  13. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    Ah Llew I am pleased to meet such a rare specimen… somebody who believes there are depths to which Labour will not stoop

    So tell me Llew did you have a nice time living in a cave for the last nine years?

    you misunderstand, I’m just commenting on what’s a likely explanation for Mallard getting his hands on the papers & what’s ridiculous.

    If you are right, how long do you think they could hide it? Till National are in charge? Wouldn’t be worth the humiation when it inevitably came out.

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  14. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    Occam’s razor* seems the best bet to me.

    “In the event of many possible solutions to a problem, the simplest is the most likely.”

    The simplest is that a Labour staffer has access to all files stored in the Leader of the Opposition’s hard drive.

    *”Every time my cat gets out of a closed up room I know for sure she walked through the wall” Lazarus Long reflecting on Occam’s razor!

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  15. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    Llew what you must understand is that Labour are truly desperate. They are literally doing everything they can to try to cling pathetically to power. Nothing is too criminal, too immoral or too debased. This is not even a product of the electoral oblivion they face – it is the strategy of the Left. You see for them power is an end unto itself and therefore performing the most base and vile acts to attain it is their preferred strategy.

    I think the idea that National, a party composed of experiences businessmen and women who have all proved extremely confident managers and workers prior to entering Parliament, would be consistently losing files – since 2005 – is much more ridiculous than the idea that Labour would continue to play the same dirty tricks.

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  16. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    Philu

    Sorry, I would love to respond to you but I have a pretty strict policy of only talking to people who don’t commit violent crimes.

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  17. Alistair (4 comments) says:

    Surely National Policies would be regarded as Intellectual Property – and I don’t know the law around this, but I would of thought possessing Intellectual Property without the express permission of the owner, would be illegal – and leaking it to the press even worse? I may be wrong of course – don’t let morals get in the way of politics…

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  18. pacman (51 comments) says:

    Every time this is brought up Key should remind the media of the telecom unbundling leak – $1.5 bn policy leaked from the PM’s office. Ask Trev who got fired over that one?

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  19. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    Yes dave but apply Ocams toothbrush we can blame it on the EB’s which is always good for a headline.

    Or we can go full noise and use von Danikens Razor and as theres no proof it wasn’t aliens then it clearly WAs aliens so we can write a book about and be on the talk circuit gravy train for life.

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  20. first time caller (384 comments) says:

    I do wonder that this sort of behaviour has the potential to backfire on Labour. Their poodle Peters is already damaged as are they by ethical and moral dilemas.

    I don’t think there would be many voters who think it’s good/moral to open or read or release information/mail that is not addressed to them.

    It may look untidy for National, but policy release is not something voters care about. They are more keen on the contents. Mallard is widely disliked by the public for being a bully and a buffoon. Him releasing these policies may do them more damage than good.

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  21. insider (1,028 comments) says:

    WHat Key should do is say “These policies were in the folder so expect trevor to dribble out x, y and z over the next few weeks.” Alternatively, release them all now.

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  22. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    are you talking about what i went to jail for..?..decades ago..?

    ..(and..nobody was hurt in the committing of that crime.btw…)

    but..whatever..eh..?

    oh..and it’s all no ‘secret’ to longterm readers of kiwiblog..eh..?

    you..know..!..

    ..you just come across as a bit of a self-pleasurer..

    ..eh..?

    phil(whoar.co.nz)

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  23. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    I think the idea that National, a party composed of experiences businessmen and women who have all proved extremely confident managers and workers prior to entering Parliament, would be consistently losing files – since 2005 – is much more ridiculous than the idea that Labour would continue to play the same dirty tricks.

    and yet, it would be easy to keep the files secure – off the parliamentary network. locked away, MPs & staff instructed not to take drafts into cafes – or out of their offices… it’s easy really and yet still the leaks occur.

    Email to someone by mistake is a possibility, but then National would be able to figure it out by having eveyone who emailed it check their distribution lists.

    They should be able to tell whose copy Mallard has even (simple security measures that competent managers employ all the time when they want to keep track of confidential drafts).

    So I’m favouring negligence on someone’s part, or a dreaded mole! :) There’s no way you’ll persuade me that the police and/or SIS are involved.

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  24. Spam (588 comments) says:

    I do recall someone commenting the other day that they tried to get info on the police investigation into Brash’s leaked / stolen e-mails under the OIA. Request was denied, because the case was still “open” even though not being worked on.

    Smells like something is obstructing the truth coming out here.

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  25. Brian Smaller (4,026 comments) says:

    National MPs woul dbe better off using Hotmail. Their emails sent through thte parliamentary system are not private. Nicky Hager knows that.

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  26. Murray (8,847 comments) says:

    No one hacked anything to get Dons emails. Being of less than a speedster on the information superhighway he printed them all off and kept them in a folder to read.

    Which he left laying about long enough for some monkey to photocopy.

    Jeeze you guys really love to complicate things.

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  27. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    National MPs woul dbe better off using Hotmail. Their emails sent through thte parliamentary system are not private. Nicky Hager knows that.

    Anyone know who runs the email there? It used to be Internal affairs, but I think it was outsourced to a big IT firm some time ago. It IS possible that a system administrator could access the emails, but pretty unlikely (I bet they’re not copied or saved anywhere & that just a log of when, where & who is kept somewhere, if that).

    In the old days (Bolger’s watch), system admins had access to each server in the complex, but not individual’s inboxes (unless they had the user’s password, but I never heard of that happening). I doubt security has got more lax in the last decade or two.

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  28. casual watcher (289 comments) says:

    The Nats are acting like incredible dullards in every respect at the moment. Key could turn this to his advantage very easily but instead they cringe in the corner and act like criminals who have been caught red handed. Mallard is an arsehole and most people know that – Key should have him on and make him look like an even bigger arsehole. We keep getting this kind of crippled behaviour from the Nats – is it McCully still in the background fucking things up or what ? Does anyone know who coordinates the battle or isn’t there anyone and that is the problem. I have decided to send the passport off for renewal – these pricks are making me nervous !

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  29. Bevan (3,924 comments) says:

    I think no matter how these particular policies were obtained by the fat duckwit. National needs to remove any and all confidential material from Servers and Computers that are not under direct control of their own IT staff. And I also think the head of Parliamentary Services need to have a little chat with the IT team regarding inappropriate file access.

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  30. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    ‘But regardless a nuisance and distraction National could do without.’

    Really? We aren’t talking about getting to the end of the driveway and realising you’ve forgotten the car-keys, David. We are talking about a bunch of people who want the public to seriously believe they are competent to run the frikkin country.
    As I may have tentatively opined last week:

    Hey, team! just a eentsy-weensy point, in case it has eluded you, guys. If you are seriously intending running the country, you really need to get your heads out of your asses, because otherwise, I would cordially invite you to leave them up there until you grow some fucking intelligence.

    (Ooooh, you don’t think I was an ickle widdy bit too hard on them do you?)
    http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/2008/09/quote-of-day_03.html

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  31. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    That’s right Phil I am talking about your terrorism of innocent civilians to fuel your despicable addiction.

    I suppose I should congratulate you since you were at least willing to front up to those you were stealing from, unlike your fellow Leftists whose practice is to steal with weasel words and disgusting lies.

    And you are quite right that all on Kiwiblog are familiar with your vile past, do you think this may have something to do with the fact that your credibility is zero here, you are uniformly despised, your pathetic arguments exposed for the flimsy tissues of lies that they are with mercilessly regularity and your continued ability to post is a result of a kind indulgence on DFP’s part after your multiple bannings?

    Face it Phil the fact that our absurdedly lenient justice system released you early despite the heinous gravity of your crime, let alone somehow committed the gross sin of putting an innocent child in your care, does not erase the stain of your crimes against the people of New Zealand.

    You can jabber away all you want but you are still a criminal and always will be.

    …eh?

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  32. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    The verdict is clear – theft by Labour and their tame stooges in the police and SIS.

    Sadly not even in the top ten crimes they have committed during their nine dark years

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  33. yl (31 comments) says:

    dave strings

    ““In the event of many possible solutions to a problem, the simplest is the most likely.”

    The simplest is that a Labour staffer has access to all files stored in the Leader of the Opposition’s hard drive.”

    You have to be kidding, they would give a paid employee for the Government access to the Opp Leaders hard drive. Have another go Dave, keep the explanations realistic. There is more chance that the Government have been spying.

    Although i am unsure of what the actual answer is, or what the most simplest explanation. I am positive that this is not it.

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  34. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    The verdict is clear – theft by Labour and their tame stooges in the police and SIS.

    My verdict is that one person saying it’s the SIS does not make it so. They are ‘bonkers’.

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  35. Ed Snack (1,927 comments) says:

    There certainly are well known methods to track leaks, using a subtly different version for each copy that is circulated being one. Then look at which copy gets leaked. Certainly National look like bumblers over this, why have they not made at least reasonable efforts to find out who is responsible even if “only” for leaving confidential briefing papers lying around in public. However because of the continued volume of these items, I would suspect a “mole” type operation. There is someone who can legitimately get hold of papers from time to time and probably photocopy them without being noticed. They would be motivated by ideology probably, and be of a trotteristic nature, “no crime involved in stealing to thwart National…”

    But for Christ’s sake National, at least make an effort to appear vaguely competent. These things do hurt and are (unless the more lurid speculations are correct) entirely preventable by people of reasonable intelligence and sense.

    I would myself discount the factional explanation almost entirely, such things would get leaked to the media not the government (hence my suspicion of a mole type operative) and that the damage is too significant, it would be an extremely stupid faction who would want to drive National into a 4th term as the opposition.

    So an internal leak from a staffer or employee. Find them and fire them.

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  36. pushmepullu (686 comments) says:

    Absolutely agreed. The idea of an anti-Key faction is bullshit. National is united behind their leader and have no criticisms of him, something we have frequentrly heard.

    However, even if these non-existent people DID exist, I am pretty sure they’d rather be dislking Key from inside government than from outside of it.

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  37. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    I think the simplest answer here is that of the two political parties, National simply don’t ‘want it’ the same as Labour do. Because if National actually ‘wanted it’ that badly, they would have prepared, planned and practiced for an election campaign, rather than this situation, in which they have clearly mistaken ‘election campaign’ for ‘a day at the zoo’.

    On the basis of competence alone, I would vote Labour at this moment in time.

    If National want to play at silly buggers, fine, but right now, ‘spy’ or no spy. ‘mole’, or no mole’ ‘leak’ or no leak. I wouldn’t trust them with any sharp objects, let alone the key to the Treasury. It is their job to make sure leaks don’t happen. Not to have a bit of a chuckle about it when they do.

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  38. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Some random questions and answers regarding Owen Glens appearance before the Priviledges Committee this afternoon.

    1. Will he produce an email from Brian Henry who confirms Peters telephone call to Glen? Yes

    2. Will that email also set out the bank account details of Henrys account and a request for the funds to be lodged into that account? Yes

    3. Will Glen also reveal that a senior Labour Party person asked him to agree to Peters request for the donation? Possibly

    4. Will Glen reveal the identity of that person? Possibly

    5. Will Glen also say that he was of the clear understanding that he would be appointed the Honourary Counsul for Monaco?

    Yes.

    6. Will Glen reveal that a senior Labour Party person asked him to offer the Maori Party a donation of $250K if they supported Labour after the 2005 election/ Possibly

    7. Will Glen reveal who that person was? Possibly

    8 Will Peters be stripped of his portfolios? Probably after he appears tomorrow evening and is unable to rebutt the evidence Glen presents today?

    9. Why? Well Clark will be in a corner and desparate especially if the possible answers above become Yes answers and she is fingered in one or more of them

    10. Is that really likely? Well maybe just maybe she got involved in this one as she was so desparate to ensure nothing went wrong

    11. What do you mean? Well if Peters hadnt got the Glen donation then Bob the Builder was going to start bankruptcy proceedings. And you cant be a bankrupt and an MP all at the same time

    12. So she might have broken her long time policy of never getting her hands dirty? Maybe just maybe

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  39. Brian Smaller (4,026 comments) says:

    So even if there is a leak in the National Party what does it prove? Clark leaked remember, even if, by her own definition, she could not.

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  40. damocles (83 comments) says:

    Umm — another simple explanation: Labour has received the materials via time machine, made possible by tomorrow’s switch on of the Large Hadron Collider.

    A distant descendent of a Labour Party supporter will, at some time in the future, gather up National Party archive material and send it back to Labour 2008 in a desperate attempt to avoid the legendary “Labour Party Corruption Meltdown of ’08” which ruined the party as a political force for decades.

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  41. Patrick Starr (3,674 comments) says:

    “Almost every National MP (and staffer) would rather cut off their left testicle/breast than leak to Trevor”

    And similarly would cut off their left testicle for the opportunity TO leak on Trevor

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  42. NeillR (351 comments) says:

    There has been enough “leaks” in the last few years for there to be a parliamentary inquiry – if only to assure the public that there isn’t any illegal activity going on. It’s shameful that Labour has not sought to put our minds at ease over this issue, but has preferred to play “party politics”. I notice there was never much said about the burglary of John Key’s home, which falls in the same category.

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  43. virtualmark (1,537 comments) says:

    I’m with Llew and Murray in thinking that the most plausible way that Trevor Mallard got hold of 3 of National’s policies was carelessness on National’s part, rather than a convoluted conspiracy involving a significant number of parliamentary staff, policemen and the SIS.

    I’d have expected National to insist that all as-yet-unreleased policy must:
    (i) be developed & stored on National Party owned & controlled computers, not on computers controlled by others such as Parliamentary Services,
    (ii) be reviewed and worked on only within carefully controlled locations, not taken to public areas such as cafes,
    (iii) all electronic copies be stored on a central repository, like a source code management system or a legal office’s document management system, and
    (iv) all hardcopies be independently numbered, recorded as to who printed them, and then checked in and out by whoever wants to view them.

    It seems evident though that those sort of precautions haven’t been taken.

    Despite an earlier comment about National’s MPs and staff being successful businesspeople who’d understand that sort of stuff my own (admittedly external) view has been that the National Party seems very amateurish, uncoordinated and somewhat bumbling. I haven’t seen any signs of a killer instinct, of political aggression, of being several moves ahead of the chess game etc etc. Would love to be proven wrong on that, but I’m struggling to think of examples of a precise honed professional machine.

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  44. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    If it is so acceptable for Mallard to release stolen/found National Party Policy documents instead of returning them, why is it not acceptable for National to crucify the little shit?

    Why is Key (or his delegate) not ripping into Labour on their lack of ethics?

    Personally I think Mallard looks like the lying scumbag he is when he behaves this way, but please oh please, National, start looking aggressive and determined. Whether or not they have broken any law in obtaining these documents is immaterial. It looks like they COULD have, so throw the mud. This is yet another opportunity to decry their lack of ethics, so make a NOISE. If they deny any wrong doing ,then they may have to say where this is coming from just to defend themselves.

    Why is Clark being treated with velvet gloves. National had the opportunity to roast her ass over her knowing for months about the 100k from Glenn and they let her off………and she publicly called them pathetic for doing so.

    I would love to see an election fought on the issues, but Labours honesty & ethics are huge issues. So stop pissing around and do your job on my behalf. Get rid of the lying corrupt ass wipes that used to be called the Labour Party.

    Go talk to Rodney, ask him what he would do in this situation, then do it.

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  45. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    of being several moves ahead of the chess game etc etc.

    Exactly, I’d have everyone sent slightly differently worded or punctuated copies (details of who gets which logged) and maybe a couple of bogus policies out there. Then see what Trev turns up with.

    I’d be talking to the parliamentary messengers too, they’ve got a history.

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  46. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    What can you do when your own policies are either really really bad or non-existent? Release someone elses.

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  47. siobhan (278 comments) says:

    “If it is so acceptable for Mallard to release stolen/found National Party Policy documents instead of returning them, why is it not acceptable for National to crucify the little shit?”

    The question I have that worries me more, is, if these policies were found by Mallard then why have the Nats sat there with their thumbs up their arses.

    If they had a clue, they would have known from day one that more than one policy was taken (found), they would have/should have known what those policies were. Therefore, they should have been on the front foot before policy #2 and policy #3 were released by the biggest tosser in parliment. From this one can only deduce that the Nats don’t have a clue, which is maybe why the aren’t crucifying anybody.

    On the flip side, I do note that the biggest tosser in parliment may release the policies, but hasn’t been able to rubbish the policies.

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  48. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    CraigM, what if the policies were being released to a journo, and the journo wrote about them? Would that be unethical? Not like anyone is lying about what the policy actually is .

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  49. virtualmark (1,537 comments) says:

    stephen, you’re right in that no one’s lying about what the policy is. And to be fair, the Nat’s have probably got more media coverage of their policy as a result of this “leak” than they would have by just releasing them in the normal course of events … so maybe it’s a deliberate strategy to get the MSM to give the Nat’s policies media coverage :-)

    But it just looks clumsy.

    I want to believe the Nat’s are organised men with a plan. But most of the time that’s hard to feel confident about.

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  50. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    Agree completely with the people who are saying

    1) That it is just sickening that Labour continues to get away with whatever means it is they are accessing National’s confidential information. They got away with it over Don Brash’s e-mails, all the media did was obligingly call for Don Brash’s head, not one editor was noble enough to condemn the “Watergate” nature of the direction of NZ’s politics, and not one yet has done so. Why should Labour continue to get “the benefit of the doubt” over this?

    2) The Nats themselves are looking increasingly absurd over all this, surely by now they could have either tightened up their security or run some kind of “sting” to catch the culprit? Not to mention their lack of spine and balls in failing to condemn the Watergate nature of what the government is doing, and in going meekly along with the media in giving Labour the benefit of the doubt.

    I sincerely believe that Labour is actually capable of anything, and it will take an amazing total exposure, somehow, someday, to wake the Nats and the majority of Kiwis up.

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  51. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    I want to believe the Nat’s are organised men with a plan.

    Heh – it’s not them with the plan.

    They Evolved.

    They Look and Feel Nats.

    Some are programmed to think they are Nats.

    There are many copies.

    And they have a Plan.

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  52. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Philbest, Watergate like, had ‘proof’. Obviously you have faith in Labour being total assholes, but as we know that doesn’t equate to proof. You going to show it to us or just be a pushmepullu and come in for a gentle mocking?

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  53. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    Damn sci-fi freaks

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  54. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    Well it’s as feasible as pushmepullyou’s theory.

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  55. CraigM (694 comments) says:

    Stephen – Fair point . Let me ask you, if those policies were to do with national security for example, what should the journalist do with them?

    In answer to your question, IMHO – the journalist should return the documents and advise the owner he will be running a story tomorrow on the contents and ask do they have any comments to make for his article?

    Of course, in an age where “journo’s” are there to sell papers and /or TV advertising and not report the news, this would be way too much to expect.

    If an MP , remember that Mallard is an MP, highest court in the land, warranted etc”…comes into what he even suspects are stolen documents, surely the RIGHT thing to do is return them.

    If Mallard had told media he had them in his pocession, criticised their content but had returned them to the rightful owner, he could have done as much damage to National without “releasing” them, and maybe even made himself look reasonable, instead of looking like a scumbag.

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  56. KevOB (267 comments) says:

    If someone left printed docs lying around accidentally, courtesy says to return them, unread, although it can be commented on. Unfortunately the Brash e-mails haven’t been explained satisfactorily. The ongoing saga of ‘leaked documents’ suggests electronic interception. An early version of this elewhere was the theft over the telephone of a program to control an airline being sent. That theft was worth millions. They learnt to secure their transmissions subsequently
    National needs to take elementary precautions like setting up their own encrypted servers and encrypting all sensitive documents and communications. The software is readily available free, and many activists are using it in places where political dissent is not tolerated.
    Documents can be sent in encrypted form and printed out or acted on only by the intended recipients
    The Nats are being gentlemen in a world of thieving thugs.

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  57. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    The ongoing saga of ‘leaked documents’ suggests electronic interception.

    See, I disagree, it suggests carelessness or manual theft to me (I’ll call deliberate leaking “theft” for the purposes of today’s discussion).

    Knowing a little of the parliamentary network, and some of the people who have worked on it, I’d be very, very surprised if there was a high tech explanation. Gobsmacked. Knocked down with a feather. Flabbergasted. Etc.

    If someone left printed docs lying around accidentally, courtesy says to return them, unread

    And I totally agree, but considering who had them, the courteous option would gobsmack me, flabber… etc.

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  58. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    CraigM, yes I think your national security example has happened somewhere – the US – too. ‘Public interest’ seems to be the way these things are judged, and I think reporters go to their editor for things like this anyway. Obviously some things are right to bust people on (Watergate, Iran-Contra) and some not so much (like…troop movements or something).

    Yup (though not like the Nats don’t have another copy somewhere).

    Yup.

    ‘Stolen’ is hard to prove, but if he had a pretty good idea, yeah of course. But leaked or ‘left around’ wouldn’t be a reason to not to release policies himself.

    If he criticised them without releasing them, that would give room to the Nats to change the policy…that would seem not out of the question going on how spineless National have been over all these policy release gaffs. My GOD there’s been a few now. I don’t think he looks like a scumbag, but using the opportunity to go on about the ‘fact’ that National will sell Kiwibank makes him look like an dick.

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  59. virtualmark (1,537 comments) says:

    I’m not there on these papers being found by a journalist and then handed to Mallard.

    Surely if a journo found these policy papers they’d want to try to use them to the benefit of their media outlet, rather than hand them to Mallard to then release to all the media? I’d have thought any journo finding these would be writing their own story about it, not giving the story to the Duckmeister.

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  60. radvad (772 comments) says:

    The Gnats are pathetic and Key is starting to look like a deflated punch bag.
    People do sometimes leave stuff lying around, everybody knows that. The trick is to use any and every situation to advantage.

    Instead of “boo hoo, we lost the folder” how about “The Labour party are dealing in stolen property, something they have a lot of experience in considering the $800,000 they stole last election. Oh, and it is good to see them finally releasing policy, even if it is not their own”. How hard is that.

    I am rapidly coming to the conclusion Key is a wimp and if he does somehow get enough votes to govern the blood sport would be painful to watch.

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  61. llew (1,533 comments) says:

    If he criticised them without releasing them, that would give room to the Nats to change the policy

    What he should have done was release them as Labour policy. Heh. None of us (‘cept maybe david) would be any the wiser.

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  62. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    radvad, if National whined about stolen property again, there would be one of two outcomes: they look like idiots for being careless, or they look like idiots who are just paranoid.

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  63. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    yes radvad – they do appear to lack the street-fighter quality. Perhaps they should be sent a packet of ‘Ignite’ because this performance is starting to look a little anti-climactic. n’est-ce que pas? Perhaps they need to go paintballing ofr the weekend or something…

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  64. jackryan (34 comments) says:

    I’m glad Mallard released the RS&T policy, it just confirms I am going to vote for the right party! Its about time an NZ government actually thought long term (more than 1 election cycle) about RS&T. The Nationals are going to invest more into primary sector science through broad base collaboration than that ridiculous Fast Forward thing. Secure funding for CRI’s, less time writing funding applications, science advisor (rather than waiting for journalists to tell you what to think), PM’s science prize, peer review of science funding platforms. For a leaked policy document looking at the issues it reads more like Labour spin doctored press release. More leaks like this an National will be the next government.

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  65. stephen (4,063 comments) says:

    The fact that they are leaked wouldn’t inspire too much confidence.

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  66. Dr Robotnik (533 comments) says:

    Let’s face it, Mallard is a fucking buffoon. A fat, intellectually challenged bully.

    National have policy, what a surprise. Big Fat Trev got his hands on it, Oh no, what’s he gonna do? Copy their homework? Tell the public what the policy is? Weren’t the National party going to do that anyway? The fact that the useless arseholes charged with running this country deem it fit to spend their time crowing about getting their filthy hands on someone elses work rather than getting off their stupid arses and doing their jobs speaks volumes.

    Maybe someone should ask the fat fuckwit if he found a wallet stuffed with cash on the street would he pocket it? He’s a fat dishonest scumbag who should have been prosecuted for being thug a long time ago.

    I saw a story on stuff about some psycho shooting ducks with a crossbow in west auckland. I know one mallard that would look good with a crossbow bolt in his neck.

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  67. PhilBest (5,125 comments) says:

    KevinOB, nice one-liner:

    “………The Nats are being gentlemen in a world of thieving thugs.”

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  68. virtualmark (1,537 comments) says:

    Now Labour’s released another of the Nat’s policies … this time Health.

    I’m afraid National are some sort of Gilbert & Sullivan comic theatre version of the political party. Leaving unreleased policy lying about in a public place is inexcusable. As is the other alternative explanation of having it stolen from the party’s internal systems.

    National aren’t the gentlemen in a world of thieving thugs. They’re the Marx brothers in a world of thieving thugs. Or maybe Larry & Mo. They’re certainly not organised men with a plan.

    Amateurs.

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