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Was anyone else expecting Paul Henry to ask Helen Clark about Winston Peters this morning on Breakfast after his big build up asking her whether she believed John Key had lied or made a mistake?
I for one was disappointed not to hear the question “if you are so certain that John Key has lied, why do you still believe that Winston Peters has been telling the truth after a majority of Priviledges Committee members from a cross-spectrum of parties have reported otherwise to Parliament, and had him censured on those grounds?”
Yes, she sticks to her story about bias, but it would have been nice to see her answer to that question immediately after she had been explaining why she was so certain John Key was a liar.
Also, I’m not sure I agree with any party using taxpayer money to dig up dirt on their political opponents. Surely this shouldn’t be what my taxes pay for? I would hope that some of them use their own funds, but I imagine if the taxpayer funds are available, they get used.
I have always defended Paul Henry simply because he seemed to be the one member of the media who is prepared to ask the hard questions of our politicians, I have no issue with the way he ripped into John Key last week and was looking forward to seeing him do the same to dear corrupt leader this morning.
Sadly it seems that Paul Henry has become another in the long line of gutless media hacks who cower in the face of dear corrupt leader.
While nobody could ever accuse Henry of being a pinko it does bring into question his aggressive attacks on Key, and why he gives Klark such an easy ride.
Anyone else see this in the weekend press? It seems that the Labour Party j=have got together with the Greens to get this bill a first reading! If it’s true, there are regular(s) on this blog that might need to rethink their voting strategy!
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>>Thousands of long-term beneficiaries are targets of a crackdown that threatens to cancel payments if they shun jobs or training opportunities.
The Government plans to send a “clear signal” to about 6000 benefit recipients that being “inactive is not an option”, Cabinet papers released to The Dominion Post under the Official Information Act reveal.
Those unemployed for more than two years will be targets because many face significant barriers to finding a job – such as drug and alcohol problems, poor work habits, poor literacy and numeracy or health problems, the papers say.
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perhaps Dave, but now that Parliament has risen for the year, and will not re-sit in it’s present format, isn’t this all a bit late?
For one, next year, when Parliament next sits, Labour might not be the “Government” so to come out saying you plan to send a clear signal at this late stage is a bit much don’t you think? The signal was sent some time ago, but not by Labour.
One thing I would have liked to have heard Rawdon say on Agenda yesterday is “I am sorry Mr Peters, but we do not allow people being interviewed to dictate what our panellists discuss.”
Just FYI, I have attached the National party survey results for my electorate. Whilst some are location specific, most are relevant nationally.
Interesting to see where the policies came from, or at least were tested before being announced eg. bonding of doctors.
Also, just how unpopular MMP is..in a safe national seat anyway.
East Coast Bays Electorate Survey 2008 – Results
1. Should tax cuts be:
Targeted towards low income earners 19%
Delivered across all tax payers 61%
Targeted towards company tax 3%
Targeted towards GST 17%
2. Do you see over 78,000 New Zealanders per year leaving this country permanently as:
A serious problem for New Zealand, which we should try harder to fix 78%
Not particularly serious 10%
Inevitable, so we might as well accept it 11%
3. Would you favour bonding for doctors, nurses, teachers etc requiring them to remain in this country for a fixed time?
Yes 83%
No 10%
Unsure 6%
4. Which of the following is your view of the NZ/China FTA?
In favour 37%
Opposed 29%
Unsure 33%
5. The Government now spends around 0.55% of the total Budget on science and research. Do you think this is:
About right 40%
Too little 42%
Too much 13%
6. Do you believe the use of mobile phones (including for texting) should be banned for people who are driving a vehicle?
Yes 88%
No 9%
Unsure 2%
7. Have you used the new North Shore busway?
Yes 36%
No 63%
If not is this because:
Routes don’t work for you 31%
Travel times too slow after allowing for connecting buses 7%
Need the flexibility of having your own vehicle 59%
8. Do you favour opening the new busway to other high occupancy vehicles?
Yes 60%
No 29%
Unsure 9%
9. Do you favour the establishment of a ferry service from Browns Bay?
Yes 67%
No 17%
Unsure 15%
10. Do you favour a second harbour crossing?
Yes 76%
No 14%
Unsure 9%
11. Which of the following models would be your preference for Auckland local government:
A single city 31%
Three large cities to replace the current seven 43%
No change 21%
12 Do you see the Mixed Member Proportional (MMP) system for electing governments as performing:
Top o’ the morning to ye! As promised, an update on Phil U’s academic credentials. Me colleagues confirm that a non-research MA in politics has not been offered in living memory. More to the point, the UoA offers a handy graduate search facility. Guess what, Phil U? Just as Dannyboy said, you graduated Bachelors (in 1996), but narry a Masters to be seen. So you’d better get in touch with the University to correct this, assuming you’re not lying, o’ course. And if you are, hope you haven’t been claiming that you have an MA on official documents and the like.
So, good luck with that defamation case. And see a doctor about whatever you caught from Winston Peters.
I too was very disappointed in Henry this morning. Has he shown himself to be a bully in that he will only attack those who won’t fght back? or are too well mannered to do so at least?
He is either scared of Clark or he was instructed not to attack. Either way it was a disgrace and he has tarnished his repuation. From now on, I’ll just scoff at the TV when he gets all high and mighty. Wimp.
I noticed that with Helen he couldn’t do the job.
Is it because he is afraid of her or is it because she is a woman?
I don’t know never having interviewed her, what she’s like.
He does seem a bit of a bully the way he takes the piss out of people around him and makes them look silly.
But when faced with the real deal in his job he can’t perform.
strange that.
maybe that has something to do with it.
he faced a bigger bully or as a bully he recognises someone more powerful than him
and can’t perform.
well Philu whether it is nosty or danny-boy he has uncovered some rather interesting information, do you care to comment on that at all? Or were you only informed of this information at 5pm today by your lawyer and new nothing previously?
You mean like on a CV? Cause I don’t think they have “highest academic achievement” on application to buy dope forms.
Nah, I’m thinkin’ more along the lines of Parliamentary submissions.
..(i see nosty is still pretending to be ‘danny boy’..weird/stalking lawyer that he is..)
Nah, I ain’t “Nosty”. Just an interested commenter with an initially benevolent disposition toward a fellow PG PS alum, who became increasing incredulous of your spurious responses to me gentle questioning, and finally, with me academic sensibilities well an’ truly offended, just a pissed-off Irishman.
Did anybody else watch the abysmal new political drama “the pretender” on TV One last night?
While the show was bad enough the thing that really got under my skin is that the show was made with our fucking money, it is time that we did away with “New Zealand on air” if that is the best they can come up with then I wish they would not bother.
Phil
If Danny Boy is lying then he needs roasting properly
But if you have misrepresented yourself then so do you.
Othewrwise how can you comment about Dear Winston with integrity?
PhilU, there were two parts to Danny-Boy’s questioning:
1. There has never been a non-research based MA offered, you claim to have done a coursework based MA
2. Your name doesn’t appear on the list of those who have one
I think it is a bit more than just getting in touch with the university – your story doesn’t add up at all. Or were you unable to tell the difference between a research MA and a coursework MA? And what does that tell us about your diligence and application to the education on offer (you know, if you think you’re doing a coursework MA but don’t notice that there are no lectures).
Should I assume that you did, in fact, enrol in an MA, but didn’t turn up at all? To the extent that you didn’t notice what the actual course content involved? For what reason would someone do this? Is there some advantage that someone living on a benefit could acquire from appearing to be enrolled in a university course?
“..“..So you’d better get in touch with the University to correct this..”
indeed..!..”
Philu, I’m completely on your side here! Seriously, how annoying must it be to have a University deny you a qualification that you’ve diligently earned?
You know, if you were to email me a scan or digital photograph of your degree, I’m sure I could post it on my web server for these other skeptics to see!
Phule, I have never denied you exist, I just do not believe that you are what you say you are; a benefit bludger. I believe you have a paid political job and trolling on this blog is one of your paid duties.
“..1. There has never been a non-research based MA offered, you claim to have done a coursework based MA..”
factually incorrect..they may not now..but they did then..
(and no..i’m not going to start naming lecturers/tutors..!)
“..2. Your name doesn’t appear on the list of those who have one..
(i repeat..!)
can’t you fucken mewling idiots read..?
“..“..So you’d better get in touch with the University to correct this..”
indeed..!..”
and am i going to do it today..?..to jump thru some hoop for you fuckwits..
um..no..!
and danny will apologise..?
(don’t make me fucken laugh..!..eh..?
he is a cowardly slimeball..hiding behind a false name.
(it is interesting..how all of you ‘brave’/slandering righties are snivelling cowards hiding behind false names..
eh..?
(your ‘work’ is so important..you can’t be ‘known’..?
..or is it because you could never stand beside/behind the bile that pours from you..?..eh..?
and..hey..!..you had better have yourselves well ‘hidden’..eh..?
cos’..if i decide to come after you..(and can find employers/real names..etc..
darlings..!..i am going to blow your fucken anonymity out of the water..
i will complain to your employers..about you doing this in your working hours..(ouch..!..eh..?..)
i will post your real names..your aliases..and highlights of your bile..
..and then everyone who knows you all..will see what scum you actually are..
..and hopefully..(some) of you will get into real deep shit with employers/shed any respect people may have for you..eh..?
..but seeing as most of you are probably fat/sweaty onanists/mummys-boys anyway..
..you wouldn’t get much of that..would you..?….’respect’..
hey..!..guess what..!..soon you could have even less..
..there ya go..!
wash that puppy down withyour lunches..!
eh..?
(heh-heh..!..)
“..You know, if you were to email me a scan or digital photograph of your degree, I’m sure I could post it on my web server for these other skeptics to see!..”
y’know what..i never bothered picking it up..i never bothered with the cape and gown bullshit..either..
phil: I think you’ll find I’m posting under my real name, so not really much hope of “blowing my anonymity out of the water”. As for bile – sorry, I was just summarising to make it easy for you to respond. Didn’t see much bile in what I said, but I guess that is another eye of the beholder thing.
I’m interested that there was no coursework MA in “living memory” (claimed by Danny Boy – and corrected from my previous “never” – like John Key I can admit my mistakes), but your BA came in 1996. Did you do your MA before your BA? Was that also common practice in the past?
..You know, if you were to email me a scan or digital photograph of your degree, I’m sure I could post it on my web server for these other skeptics to see!..”
y’know what..i never bothered picking it up..i never bothered with the cape and gown bullshit..either..
cheers..!
Oh I see! That’s fair enough. So, how is that you prove your degree to potential employers? I’m assuming you do actually attend job interviews, as you should do since you’re currently on a benefit. Unlike these other people, I personally have complete confidence that you do genuinely detest being dependent on other people, and make continuous attempts to find work.
So, just send us the same proof you use for potential employers, and you an I can laugh at all these other fools! Ah Ha!
(it is interesting..how all of you ‘brave’/slandering righties are snivelling cowards hiding behind false names..
I hope you’re not including me in there Phil. See, I’m right-wing, but I don’t hide behind an alias…. I even provide a link to my personal website. There’s nothing much on there. In fact, the most popular post is a very short one saying goodbye to my murdered ex-girlfriend. I really only have the site because I like to mess around with wordpress.
But hey, feel free to visit it if you like, then call all my friends and tell them how right-wing I am. I’m sure they haven’t guessed by now.
phil, You’re lying. You have been for ages. That much is obvious. And to come out swinging at anyone who proves to you be lying just adds nastiness to your faults. Get a job and develop some personal integrity. It’ll be good for all of us.
Oh I get it… Philu is hoping to take Winnie’s place when he is in the slammer. He’s got it all, the stammering, the bluster, the attack those who dare question your lies, and the liers themselves of course. He is also recieving money from businesses and wealthy individuals (carefully launded through IRD and WINZ). Oh and of course a blog no one reads. It all makes sense now – the plan not Philu’s writing.
I have spirit level too!
Also just checked with the Auckland Uni site DB mentioned above and was pleased to see the degree hanging on the wall is not in fact a fake.
Lashing out a bit this morning are we Phil? As for the shaming – seems to me there’ll only be one person being shamed in this current incident. Why can you not just come out and answer: Did you get a coursework-based MA in politics from Auckland University since you got you BA from said university?
If you say you did, then it would seem that Danny-Boy must have wildly incorrect information when he says that no such thing has existed in living memory.
“Shit it’s only Monday and Philu is allready doing his nuts, miss out again over the weekend did you Philu?…”
What do you mean by that? Whoar never misses, because he’s busy baking and cooking non-stop all weekend: clients always come first in the Luddite’s addled existence.
If you were talking about something else he missed out on, don’t worry, he quit that department many years ago.
No Phil, clearly you cannot read. Quoting someone else in answer to a question is about as useful as holding up a “No” sign. The fact that you won’t answer the question is, I think, the answer.
All I want you to do is provide us with proof that you’ve got that MA we’re all talking about.
That’s no big deal, right?
I understand that you don’t want to lower yourself by providing proof to these dimwit righties, but surely, in the interests of showing them up, you’d be prepared to collect together a few official documents?
Heck, even an officially printed academic record will do!
Unless….. unless you don’t actually have the degree. But that’s not possible, is it Phil? You wouldn’t lie to us just to make yourself look more educated than you actually are, right?
You certainly would never stoop to attacking people, threatening to publicly shame them in some nebulous and indeterminate manner, would you?
You’d never, ever adopt Winston-like tactics in diverting attention away from your own lies towards the alleged, but totally unproven, wrongdoing of others, would you?
The sad fact is, you benefit-bludging little gobshite, you’re a lying, thieving, cheating drug addict, who deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule. You represent everything that I despise. You are so far beneath my contempt that I feel dirty even conversing with you. You disgust me from the height of my intellect to the depth of my soul, I blush red with embarrassment that I must call you countryman, and I rage with unknowable fury that good people die while scum like you survive.
The line between research-based and coursework-based can be pretty blurry.
A mate of mine has almost finished an MA at VUW and from the sounds of it none of what he writes involves any research…
(PS: good to see the hate never goes away around here!!)
RRM, remind me never to employ any person who claims to have an MA from Victoria.
Do they turn out surgeons who have never held a scalpel as well?
Back on topic, I’d laugh like hell if Phil produces an MA from a university other than Auckland. After all, back in those days you’d expect a true Amerrika hater to attend somewhere reputable, like Cuba or Roumania. The certificate might even be signed by Ceausescu. Could be worth a small fortune.
Fwiw, I’ve taught at 3 NZ universities and the regulations are quite clear on the differences between research-based and course-based master’s programmes. Indeed, thanks to the NZQA it is a requirement that your Master’s programme includes a significant, independent research element.
I didn’t pickup my PhD certificate either at graduation. But it got mailed to me anyway. So I’m not sure why Phil has not been in receipt of his.
I’m clearly a newbie here, but it does seem that there has been a genuine, independent effort to verify Phil’s claim. This has thrown reasonable doubt on Phil’s claims of academic achievement. It is entirely reasonable to expect Phil to assuage these suspicions at this point. And fwiw, bluster doesn’t count as a response.
From just another lentil-munching, cycling, greenie.
Chthoniid “I’m clearly a newbie here, but it does seem that there has been a genuine, independent effort to verify Phil’s claim. This has thrown reasonable doubt on Phil’s claims of academic achievement.”
No no no, all we have here is a conflict of evidence. I’m confident that there is an innocent explanation.
“…attend somewhere reputable, like Cuba or Roumania.”
Not a chance, Whoar can only be a graduate from two places: either University of Addis Abbaba, Ethiopia, (master-cum-laude on Cannabis Studies), or the Universty of Ping-Pen, China, (Profound Chemistry Professorship).
Notice the emphasis on the letter P.
Remember RogerNome? He had his reasons for trolling here…….he really was trying to make a case for his political beliefs…..I respect him for that…….he gave it away…….I respect him for that even more……….He wasn’t succeeding in convincing anybody, and onlookers following the arguments we were having were being turned into converts to his opponents side…….
What is it that keeps YOU coming back, running back, coming back, for more……..Phool?
could you please do something about this ..david farrar..!
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What are you so upset about, phool? This is one of your objectives you’re paid to achieve, isn’t it? Provoke the rightwingers into “hate speech”, so that you will have a pretext to take away our freedom of speech altogether, you and your fellow Stalinists? Spy on us, hack into our blogs and our websites, and prosecute us in your effing “Human Rights” Kangaroo Courts….
Me, paranoid? Hey, it’s already happening in Sweden and Norway and Canada. Phool is just following an established tradition on the Left……
You’ve done a good job, phule, eh? I bet Sue and Keith’s minions have added Glutaemus’ “death threats” to their treasure trove of “evidence”, eh, phool…….I bet you’ll be up for a bonus…….
I’m a newbie here, but from my experience on other blogs I have found that the best way to get rid of idiots is for everyone to totally ignore them. Don’t respond to any posts at all. This robs them of their oxygen of attention. Eventually, they will get sick of it and leave of their own accord.
…..and still not a shred of evidence regarding the MA.
I’m going to bring this up again and again until you give us an answer, Phil.
I’m going to make you an offer. You put up solid, concrete evidence of your MA, and I will unreservedly apologize to you for ever doubting you.
You have 48 hours.
If, in 48 hours time, you have produced no such evidence, then I shall deem myself to have called your bluff, and proclaim Glut, PhilBest, Big Bruv & Co (sorry if I missed anyone) the undisputed winners of this little controversy, and henceforth shall use it to cast doubt on the veracity of every one of your assertions.
If you do actually have the MA you claim to have, then this should be an exceptionally easy bet to win.
P.S. I’d avoid photoshopping any documentary evidence… I have a very good friend who shares an office with me who can spot a ‘shopped image ten miles away. Seriously, he’s an expert.
kimble; finished licking your wounds have you? think your up to it for another go?
and that was the best you could do?
i’m all for voluntary outing kimble.
my name is phillip ure; i am an ex junkie (15 yrs clean of junk; still use pot), ex con (armed robbery of chemist shop whilst going through smack withdrawels), vegan,dpb supported sole dad(thanks), environmental/animal rights activist/supporter.
my lineage is irish, scots, welsh; filtered through five generations in this wonderful country. (did anyone see connolly last night, whoar!)
i have travelled/lived in aust, usa, europe, china/asia and other parts of the planet.
i loathe racists with an intensity that is visceral.
i find that if you scratch a racist you will find an astounding lack of intellectual rigor. basically they are as thick as pigshit, (a trait you kimble, have excelled in)
i have a masters degree in politics, and have worked in broadcasting (radio) in usa, aust, and here.
i am currently developing a news/info/opinion/debate website; which is a component in a larger plan involving radio/tv broadcasting.
(if you want to have a go at me at home try http://www.whoar.co.nz; a basic model is up; the bells and whistle version in about a week).
so how about you kimble?; you’re a former high flying(?) national party official aren’t you?
i’m glad you’ve thrown down this gauntlet and am looking forward to you telling us who you are, so we can put a face to the bile that seeps through your lips.
by the way i loved the “needle dick” epiphet; heartiest chuckle i’ve had on this site, (and there have been a few) mainly because of the reaction i knew it would have amongst you right wing/racist needle-dicks; (you know who you are)
“my name is phillip ure; i am an ex junkie (15 yrs clean of junk; still use pot), ex con (armed robbery of chemist shop whilst going through smack withdrawels), vegan,dpb supported sole dad(thanks), environmental/animal rights activist/supporter. ”
And we all contribute to the dole this bludger collects every fortnight without lifting a finger, other than to open the oven.
No wonder NZ is falling behind with “people”, scum is the better term, of Whoar’s caliber.
Still at it and claiming intellectual credentials.
So do we now have a pathetice brain dead educated troll?
If we keep feeding him, he may burst and save the oxygen for someone who deserves it.
Manolo, I have been pursuing a theory about Philu for the last few days, I believe he is getting paid a lot more of our money than if he was just a welfare bludger. I believe he is the same type as the “Standard” – he is funded to do what he does, although his pathetic website is obviously not as prominent as the Standard; but he is up to some other game.
He won’t answer my question: how well do you know Nandor, Phool?
As I previously posted about phil… I know him..
Cmon phil…come out &; play with us some more..
You studiously ignored me the last time..
truth hurts …eh…phil…..eh??//
So Phil Stick, you’re sure copping some today.
I guess if there was anything positive about you, its your penchant for taking punishment. Into SM and B & D are you?
“I have been pursuing a theory about Philu for the last few days, I believe he is getting paid a lot more of our money than if he was just a welfare bludger.”
You may be proven right, Phil. Nonetheless, I do hate everything Whoar represents: mediocrity; intellectual laziness; an utterly false sense of compassion and concern for others (the bludger only looks after himself); a total disregard for the truth, even when confonted by it; a sense of moral superiority on environmental matters (acquired who knows from where);
an abhorrence for work, which makes him a parasite on our backs, as if we need another one in NZ, the land of bludgers.
I don’t care if he’s a former jailbird, we all make mistakes in life and in time are capable of redeeming ourselves. Phil Ure is not.
I just saw ‘Vote with Both Eyes Open’ at http://botheyesopen.org.nz/ With a name like that it should ideally cover every person standing, not just one party. Maybe a better name would be “I’ll choose how I want to be one-eyed”
“travelled lots, junkie for 15~20 yrs, did time, went to auck uni in 90′s and did masters in politics [possible, but someone check it out properly]. 20 yrs radio broadcasting experience. 2 nippers (27) and (9). currently living in auck city cheers. am running a newswire service/blog http://www.whoar.co.nz”
Essentially your credentials are not exactly inspiring, especially for a 57 year old. I almost feel sorry for you but you dont blog like in any genuine way so I’m not sure you deserve any sympathy. You are an outsider aren’t you, the kind of guy who expects people not to like him and has limited social skills & therefore has few friends.
The Glubbster strikes…
um…PhilU do you want to send us a pic as well since you are not anonymous anymore! Would make you assertions a little stonger..
I am also looking forward to rubbing it in when National are duly elected on 8/11/08. Since you have hassled everyone with your childlike predictions and your childlike posts all year (I can see why you were expelled in 5th form as you are barely intelligible) I’m sure we will have some good fun at your expense
According to Democrat Rep Barney Frank, these two financial entities are not facing any kind of financial crisis. They HAVE been criticised for exerting too much influence over their regulators who in turn regulate them more thereby forcing more pressure on rates people can’t afford which then produces foreclosures. This then sounds that the govt is covering up the foreclosures by inventing a crisis. This is because the government refuses to repeal financial investing into the two entities. The govt just keeps flooding them with money and now wants to pad them with billions.
Here are the scary quotes.
Barney Frank “”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.
funny that i’m the only one using my real name..eh..?
Bullshit. Some do not, but I use my real name. As do quite a few other posters. You’ve been outed as a liar, phil. You could do what Philip John should have done and apologize. But I strongly suspect you do not have the fortitude and integrity to do so. I’d be happily proven wrong though.
Phil: Given your broadcasting background and your surname, are you related to Mike Ure? (serious question, I used to work with the guy at Radio Pacific and lost touch ages ago. If so, tell him I said hi).
I’ve had multiple complaints about this thread today. Having just got home after eight hours of meetings, I’m not even going to bother reading this thread.
Advance notice that tomorrow I am home almost all day and handing out demerits in abundance if there is a repeat.
David Farrar is a lazy blogmaster! He posts controversial topics then heads off to sip chardonnay with the elite! (Just kidding btw – don’t demerit me).
Having said that, at the risk of causing a stir, I just want to say one thing: Wellington Street. Enigmatic for all but one
Buggerlugs: love the article and good luck – but PLEASE – teach your grandson about good clothing style too – that matters as much (if not more!) than environmentalism! Putting the poor thing in to a blue overall is just not good parenting! He should have matching gumboots and gloves at the very least! Anyway – I do wish you good luck in the campaign – I suspect that you will outdo the greens in your campaign. If I lived in Invercargill I would vote for you (but party vote ACT)
DPF
I think that whilst the robustness of the discussion got ugly and rough.
the issue of lying and lack of integrity is important for the free exchange of ideas.
I mthink those who demanded accountability are correct in substance.
I actually thought it was a French name as a translator by the name of Jean Ure translated Sven Hassels novels from the
Danish, but she is actually English.
‘Jean Ure’ sounds such a more exotic name than an English one.
September 29th, 2008 at 8:19 am
Have some fun at Peter Brown’s expense today
http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2008/09/peter-brown-caption-contest.html
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Was anyone else expecting Paul Henry to ask Helen Clark about Winston Peters this morning on Breakfast after his big build up asking her whether she believed John Key had lied or made a mistake?
I for one was disappointed not to hear the question “if you are so certain that John Key has lied, why do you still believe that Winston Peters has been telling the truth after a majority of Priviledges Committee members from a cross-spectrum of parties have reported otherwise to Parliament, and had him censured on those grounds?”
Yes, she sticks to her story about bias, but it would have been nice to see her answer to that question immediately after she had been explaining why she was so certain John Key was a liar.
Also, I’m not sure I agree with any party using taxpayer money to dig up dirt on their political opponents. Surely this shouldn’t be what my taxes pay for? I would hope that some of them use their own funds, but I imagine if the taxpayer funds are available, they get used.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Is Peter Brown, Osama in hiding ?
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QetjxnJ7yfw/SN_dewYHtNI/AAAAAAAAAdU/tamszVUE1Iw/s400/nzf2.jpg
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/09/24/25W_OSAMA_narrowweb__300x389,0.jpg
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 8:56 am
I have always defended Paul Henry simply because he seemed to be the one member of the media who is prepared to ask the hard questions of our politicians, I have no issue with the way he ripped into John Key last week and was looking forward to seeing him do the same to dear corrupt leader this morning.
Sadly it seems that Paul Henry has become another in the long line of gutless media hacks who cower in the face of dear corrupt leader.
Vote:While nobody could ever accuse Henry of being a pinko it does bring into question his aggressive attacks on Key, and why he gives Klark such an easy ride.
September 29th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Maybe he’s envious he’s not as financially successful as John Key?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Anyone else see this in the weekend press? It seems that the Labour Party j=have got together with the Greens to get this bill a first reading! If it’s true, there are regular(s) on this blog that might need to rethink their voting strategy!
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>>Thousands of long-term beneficiaries are targets of a crackdown that threatens to cancel payments if they shun jobs or training opportunities.
The Government plans to send a “clear signal” to about 6000 benefit recipients that being “inactive is not an option”, Cabinet papers released to The Dominion Post under the Official Information Act reveal.
Those unemployed for more than two years will be targets because many face significant barriers to finding a job – such as drug and alcohol problems, poor work habits, poor literacy and numeracy or health problems, the papers say.
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Source
Vote:NATHAN BEAUMONT – The Dominion Post
September 29th, 2008 at 9:19 am
perhaps Dave, but now that Parliament has risen for the year, and will not re-sit in it’s present format, isn’t this all a bit late?
For one, next year, when Parliament next sits, Labour might not be the “Government” so to come out saying you plan to send a clear signal at this late stage is a bit much don’t you think? The signal was sent some time ago, but not by Labour.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 9:29 am
One thing I would have liked to have heard Rawdon say on Agenda yesterday is “I am sorry Mr Peters, but we do not allow people being interviewed to dictate what our panellists discuss.”
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Just FYI, I have attached the National party survey results for my electorate. Whilst some are location specific, most are relevant nationally.
Interesting to see where the policies came from, or at least were tested before being announced eg. bonding of doctors.
Also, just how unpopular MMP is..in a safe national seat anyway.
East Coast Bays Electorate Survey 2008 – Results
1. Should tax cuts be:
Targeted towards low income earners 19%
Delivered across all tax payers 61%
Targeted towards company tax 3%
Targeted towards GST 17%
2. Do you see over 78,000 New Zealanders per year leaving this country permanently as:
A serious problem for New Zealand, which we should try harder to fix 78%
Not particularly serious 10%
Inevitable, so we might as well accept it 11%
3. Would you favour bonding for doctors, nurses, teachers etc requiring them to remain in this country for a fixed time?
Yes 83%
No 10%
Unsure 6%
4. Which of the following is your view of the NZ/China FTA?
In favour 37%
Opposed 29%
Unsure 33%
5. The Government now spends around 0.55% of the total Budget on science and research. Do you think this is:
About right 40%
Too little 42%
Too much 13%
6. Do you believe the use of mobile phones (including for texting) should be banned for people who are driving a vehicle?
Yes 88%
No 9%
Unsure 2%
7. Have you used the new North Shore busway?
Yes 36%
No 63%
If not is this because:
Routes don’t work for you 31%
Travel times too slow after allowing for connecting buses 7%
Need the flexibility of having your own vehicle 59%
8. Do you favour opening the new busway to other high occupancy vehicles?
Yes 60%
No 29%
Unsure 9%
9. Do you favour the establishment of a ferry service from Browns Bay?
Yes 67%
No 17%
Unsure 15%
10. Do you favour a second harbour crossing?
Yes 76%
No 14%
Unsure 9%
11. Which of the following models would be your preference for Auckland local government:
A single city 31%
Three large cities to replace the current seven 43%
No change 21%
12 Do you see the Mixed Member Proportional (MMP) system for electing governments as performing:
Well 17%
Poorly 59%
Unsure 19%
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Top o’ the morning to ye! As promised, an update on Phil U’s academic credentials. Me colleagues confirm that a non-research MA in politics has not been offered in living memory. More to the point, the UoA offers a handy graduate search facility. Guess what, Phil U? Just as Dannyboy said, you graduated Bachelors (in 1996), but narry a Masters to be seen. So you’d better get in touch with the University to correct this, assuming you’re not lying, o’ course. And if you are, hope you haven’t been claiming that you have an MA on official documents and the like.
So, good luck with that defamation case. And see a doctor about whatever you caught from Winston Peters.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:08 am
I too was very disappointed in Henry this morning. Has he shown himself to be a bully in that he will only attack those who won’t fght back? or are too well mannered to do so at least?
He is either scared of Clark or he was instructed not to attack. Either way it was a disgrace and he has tarnished his repuation. From now on, I’ll just scoff at the TV when he gets all high and mighty. Wimp.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Danny-boy “hope you haven’t been claiming that you have an MA on official documents and the like.”
You mean like on a CV? Cause I don’t think they have “highest academic achievement” on application to buy dope forms.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I noticed that with Helen he couldn’t do the job.
Vote:Is it because he is afraid of her or is it because she is a woman?
I don’t know never having interviewed her, what she’s like.
He does seem a bit of a bully the way he takes the piss out of people around him and makes them look silly.
But when faced with the real deal in his job he can’t perform.
strange that.
maybe that has something to do with it.
he faced a bigger bully or as a bully he recognises someone more powerful than him
and can’t perform.
September 29th, 2008 at 10:23 am
i thought it was more a case of clarks’ mastery/confidence with the medium/media..
..there is no way you can say henry has ever favoured clark..
the reason he was so hard on key..is because he was so pissed at him..his man..screwing up so much..
..it’s as simple as that..
..(i see nosty is still pretending to be ‘danny boy’..weird/stalking lawyer that he is..)
“..So you’d better get in touch with the University to correct this..”
indeed..!
(have you given best the bad news..that i actually exist..?
he’ll be bummed..eh.?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:26 am
well Philu whether it is nosty or danny-boy he has uncovered some rather interesting information, do you care to comment on that at all? Or were you only informed of this information at 5pm today by your lawyer and new nothing previously?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:27 am
PhilU: not going to answer the question then I take it?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:31 am
come on lets get the real, info out there.
Vote:if you’ve been telling porkies about your qualifications get it out there.
we’ll be gentle
September 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am
The water, so dark, so cold.
The blinking, blinking, and constant blinking.
The pull
The sweet escape
Exfil
Gone, and forgotten
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Nah, I’m thinkin’ more along the lines of Parliamentary submissions.
Nah, I ain’t “Nosty”. Just an interested commenter with an initially benevolent disposition toward a fellow PG PS alum, who became increasing incredulous of your spurious responses to me gentle questioning, and finally, with me academic sensibilities well an’ truly offended, just a pissed-off Irishman.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Did anybody else watch the abysmal new political drama “the pretender” on TV One last night?
While the show was bad enough the thing that really got under my skin is that the show was made with our fucking money, it is time that we did away with “New Zealand on air” if that is the best they can come up with then I wish they would not bother.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:39 am
I was pretty unimpressed with the Paul Henry interview as well.
I have taken the time to e-mail him in this respect. Others might like to do the same:
breakfast@tvnz.co.nz
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:41 am
can’t you fucken mewling idiots read..?
“..“..So you’d better get in touch with the University to correct this..”
indeed..!..”
back with the death threats..
eh you fucken scum gluteinous..!
could you please do something about this ..david farrar..!
(i’ll phone you..shall i..?
)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:44 am
CraigM, that’s reason # 957 to get your news from the new media, not the ‘MSM’.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Phool
Have you been telling porkies again?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Death Threats?
What are you on?
Telling lies again?
Are you Greek?
Love having you here. You make every day a sunshine day!
We are all happy and contented.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Phil
Vote:If Danny Boy is lying then he needs roasting properly
But if you have misrepresented yourself then so do you.
Othewrwise how can you comment about Dear Winston with integrity?
September 29th, 2008 at 10:54 am
PhilU, there were two parts to Danny-Boy’s questioning:
1. There has never been a non-research based MA offered, you claim to have done a coursework based MA
2. Your name doesn’t appear on the list of those who have one
I think it is a bit more than just getting in touch with the university – your story doesn’t add up at all. Or were you unable to tell the difference between a research MA and a coursework MA? And what does that tell us about your diligence and application to the education on offer (you know, if you think you’re doing a coursework MA but don’t notice that there are no lectures).
Should I assume that you did, in fact, enrol in an MA, but didn’t turn up at all? To the extent that you didn’t notice what the actual course content involved? For what reason would someone do this? Is there some advantage that someone living on a benefit could acquire from appearing to be enrolled in a university course?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am
ooops
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am
The real reason that you post so heavily on this site is obvious. This is the busiest political blog in NZ.
Your blog is empty of sensible content, and visitors.
Over 3000 post on here to try and drive some traffic to your insane ramblings in no mans land.
No-one is interested.
you are a phool.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Philu, I’m completely on your side here! Seriously, how annoying must it be to have a University deny you a qualification that you’ve diligently earned?
You know, if you were to email me a scan or digital photograph of your degree, I’m sure I could post it on my web server for these other skeptics to see!
That wouldn’t be so hard, would it?
You do have the degree…… don’t you, Phil?
eh..?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Blink, blink, always the blink.
No comfort in a blue strobe.
Just an amber blink.
Everywhere.
Always.
Blink, blink, blink.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am
Another one bites the dust.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Glutaemus
Vote:you are so cruel.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Phule, I have never denied you exist, I just do not believe that you are what you say you are; a benefit bludger. I believe you have a paid political job and trolling on this blog is one of your paid duties.
How well do you know Nandor Tanczos?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:14 am
“..1. There has never been a non-research based MA offered, you claim to have done a coursework based MA..”
factually incorrect..they may not now..but they did then..
(and no..i’m not going to start naming lecturers/tutors..!)
“..2. Your name doesn’t appear on the list of those who have one..
(i repeat..!)
can’t you fucken mewling idiots read..?
“..“..So you’d better get in touch with the University to correct this..”
indeed..!..”
and am i going to do it today..?..to jump thru some hoop for you fuckwits..
um..no..!
and danny will apologise..?
(don’t make me fucken laugh..!..eh..?
he is a cowardly slimeball..hiding behind a false name.
(it is interesting..how all of you ‘brave’/slandering righties are snivelling cowards hiding behind false names..
eh..?
(your ‘work’ is so important..you can’t be ‘known’..?
..or is it because you could never stand beside/behind the bile that pours from you..?..eh..?
and..hey..!..you had better have yourselves well ‘hidden’..eh..?
cos’..if i decide to come after you..(and can find employers/real names..etc..
darlings..!..i am going to blow your fucken anonymity out of the water..
i will complain to your employers..about you doing this in your working hours..(ouch..!..eh..?..)
i will post your real names..your aliases..and highlights of your bile..
..and then everyone who knows you all..will see what scum you actually are..
..and hopefully..(some) of you will get into real deep shit with employers/shed any respect people may have for you..eh..?
..but seeing as most of you are probably fat/sweaty onanists/mummys-boys anyway..
..you wouldn’t get much of that..would you..?….’respect’..
hey..!..guess what..!..soon you could have even less..
..there ya go..!
wash that puppy down withyour lunches..!
eh..?
(heh-heh..!..)
“..You know, if you were to email me a scan or digital photograph of your degree, I’m sure I could post it on my web server for these other skeptics to see!..”
y’know what..i never bothered picking it up..i never bothered with the cape and gown bullshit..either..
cheers..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am
The Cullen fund has lost 880 million dollars last year.
Ooops! Might have been able to top that up if we hadn’t bought a dog of a railway!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:19 am
phil: I think you’ll find I’m posting under my real name, so not really much hope of “blowing my anonymity out of the water”. As for bile – sorry, I was just summarising to make it easy for you to respond. Didn’t see much bile in what I said, but I guess that is another eye of the beholder thing.
I’m interested that there was no coursework MA in “living memory” (claimed by Danny Boy – and corrected from my previous “never” – like John Key I can admit my mistakes), but your BA came in 1996. Did you do your MA before your BA? Was that also common practice in the past?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:20 am
Me thinkest thou dost deny a little too much. May I kindly request that you stop wasting everyones reading time please.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Oh I see! That’s fair enough. So, how is that you prove your degree to potential employers? I’m assuming you do actually attend job interviews, as you should do since you’re currently on a benefit. Unlike these other people, I personally have complete confidence that you do genuinely detest being dependent on other people, and make continuous attempts to find work.
So, just send us the same proof you use for potential employers, and you an I can laugh at all these other fools! Ah Ha!
I hope you’re not including me in there Phil. See, I’m right-wing, but I don’t hide behind an alias…. I even provide a link to my personal website. There’s nothing much on there. In fact, the most popular post is a very short one saying goodbye to my murdered ex-girlfriend. I really only have the site because I like to mess around with wordpress.
But hey, feel free to visit it if you like, then call all my friends and tell them how right-wing I am. I’m sure they haven’t guessed by now.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Blink that you are heading for a slight identity crisis!
Happen to believe that you are a paid for or expensed troll.
Take me to your leader!
I am retired, and very very happy.
MI5 pay well.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:24 am
phil, You’re lying. You have been for ages. That much is obvious. And to come out swinging at anyone who proves to you be lying just adds nastiness to your faults. Get a job and develop some personal integrity. It’ll be good for all of us.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Glut, would you mind sending me your email address? Nothing sinister, I just have a couple of questions!
Send it to: chris [at] chrislaing [dot] net
Thanks
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:27 am
I have never had anything to do with MI5!
Also I got 10 o-levels, 6 a-levels, and I also have a spirit level. Which I never use!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:28 am
ok..that’s two of you willing to be named/shamed..
..how about the rest of you..?
..feeling comfortable with/about that..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Oh I get it… Philu is hoping to take Winnie’s place when he is in the slammer. He’s got it all, the stammering, the bluster, the attack those who dare question your lies, and the liers themselves of course. He is also recieving money from businesses and wealthy individuals (carefully launded through IRD and WINZ). Oh and of course a blog no one reads. It all makes sense now – the plan not Philu’s writing.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Shit it’s only Monday and Philu is allready doing his nuts, miss out again over the weekend did you Philu?.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Christopher.
I only work on Hotmail.
I never go through proxies.
At the moment I am in the Northern Hemisphere.
Any other way to shake hands?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:31 am
“..but your BA came in 1996. Did you do your MA before your BA? Was that also common practice in the past?..”
don’t bother going to try-out night at the comedy club..eh..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:32 am
I have spirit level too!
Vote:Also just checked with the Auckland Uni site DB mentioned above and was pleased to see the degree hanging on the wall is not in fact a fake.
September 29th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Philu, why do you keep coming back here?
Think that you must be on a huge retainer.
Last week I was in Barcelona.
The week before in Crete.
The month before in Germany.
But I am the small man.
A bit stupid.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:40 am
“..# side show bob (889) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Shit it’s only Monday and Philu is allready doing his nuts, miss out again over the weekend did you Philu?…”
and how many animals have you tortured/killed today..?
…bloody-hands-bob..?
dairy-futures..(esp in asia..looking good..?
and did you look up that cancer-causing link from that auck uni (dairy-industry-funded) research result from last year..?
..that proved the clear link between milk/cheese/dairy..and heart attacks/strokes..etc..?
..eh..?
..and silly old us..eh..?..such high rates of those deaths..and only one country (iceland) consuming more dairy per head of pop..
..eh..?
how long do you think it will be untill that penny drops..eh..?
(and thanks for giving me the opportunity to tell/remind everyone just what poisonous muck it is you flog..eh..?..)
dairy..a ‘sunset’ industry..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Lashing out a bit this morning are we Phil? As for the shaming – seems to me there’ll only be one person being shamed in this current incident. Why can you not just come out and answer: Did you get a coursework-based MA in politics from Auckland University since you got you BA from said university?
If you say you did, then it would seem that Danny-Boy must have wildly incorrect information when he says that no such thing has existed in living memory.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:47 am
“Shit it’s only Monday and Philu is allready doing his nuts, miss out again over the weekend did you Philu?…”
What do you mean by that? Whoar never misses, because he’s busy baking and cooking non-stop all weekend: clients always come first in the Luddite’s addled existence.
If you were talking about something else he missed out on, don’t worry, he quit that department many years ago.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am
……just a pissed-off Irishman.
I thought that needed repeating
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Philu, perhaps an orderly retreat to your own space will help your mental health!
Or in Military parlance, fuck off and leave us all alone!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
paul..
i repeat..again..
“..can’t you fucken mewling idiots read..?
“..“..So you’d better get in touch with the University to correct this..”
indeed..!..”
and am i going to do it today..?..to jump thru some hoop for you fuckwits..
um..no..!”
got that now..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
No Phil, clearly you cannot read. Quoting someone else in answer to a question is about as useful as holding up a “No” sign. The fact that you won’t answer the question is, I think, the answer.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
You must be on huge bucks!
You light up our lives, and we appreciate your incoherent ramblings.
Are you Greek?
Can you swim?
Ever had a seizure?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
See, now Phil, I’m trying to be reasonable here.
All I want you to do is provide us with proof that you’ve got that MA we’re all talking about.
That’s no big deal, right?
I understand that you don’t want to lower yourself by providing proof to these dimwit righties, but surely, in the interests of showing them up, you’d be prepared to collect together a few official documents?
Heck, even an officially printed academic record will do!
Unless….. unless you don’t actually have the degree. But that’s not possible, is it Phil? You wouldn’t lie to us just to make yourself look more educated than you actually are, right?
You certainly would never stoop to attacking people, threatening to publicly shame them in some nebulous and indeterminate manner, would you?
You’d never, ever adopt Winston-like tactics in diverting attention away from your own lies towards the alleged, but totally unproven, wrongdoing of others, would you?
The sad fact is, you benefit-bludging little gobshite, you’re a lying, thieving, cheating drug addict, who deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule. You represent everything that I despise. You are so far beneath my contempt that I feel dirty even conversing with you. You disgust me from the height of my intellect to the depth of my soul, I blush red with embarrassment that I must call you countryman, and I rage with unknowable fury that good people die while scum like you survive.
Philip Ure, you make me sick.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Christopher, please don’t hold back!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
The line between research-based and coursework-based can be pretty blurry.
A mate of mine has almost finished an MA at VUW and from the sounds of it none of what he writes involves any research…
Vote:(PS: good to see the hate never goes away around here!!)
September 29th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Philu,
The water is always cold, deep and dark.
The lights blink, and blink, and blink.
We are all very happy. Is the money worth it?
Why does nobody care for you? Lonely?
Hard in the head. mental Health is so very important.
Blink, blink, blink
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
And in other news… Bullrush is back for some lucky students!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4704093a7694.html
Good to see there may be some hope yet.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
gotcha..!..eh chris..?..
(you do hate being called by the (more ‘common’) chris..don’t you..?..)
have a nice afternoon..eh..?
and..watch that blood-pressure now..!
..you didn’t ‘bite’ any furniture/carpet then..?..did you..?
..and the ‘height of your intellect’..eh..?
..brilliant..!
christopher whoever..
eh..?
chin up..!..luv..!
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
RRM, remind me never to employ any person who claims to have an MA from Victoria.
Do they turn out surgeons who have never held a scalpel as well?
Back on topic, I’d laugh like hell if Phil produces an MA from a university other than Auckland. After all, back in those days you’d expect a true Amerrika hater to attend somewhere reputable, like Cuba or Roumania. The certificate might even be signed by Ceausescu. Could be worth a small fortune.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Phool
Given you have lied about your educational qualifications is there anything else that you might like to admit?
Best get it all out in the open don’t you think?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
no adolf..i bought in on-line.
(u.s. $39.95..)
much easier than doing those years of study…
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Hey phool, I’m getting an MA too. And a Phd.
http://www.fakecertificate.eu/
Cool… eh?..
Vote:..eh?
September 29th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I’m feeling the love.
Fwiw, I’ve taught at 3 NZ universities and the regulations are quite clear on the differences between research-based and course-based master’s programmes. Indeed, thanks to the NZQA it is a requirement that your Master’s programme includes a significant, independent research element.
I didn’t pickup my PhD certificate either at graduation. But it got mailed to me anyway. So I’m not sure why Phil has not been in receipt of his.
I’m clearly a newbie here, but it does seem that there has been a genuine, independent effort to verify Phil’s claim. This has thrown reasonable doubt on Phil’s claims of academic achievement. It is entirely reasonable to expect Phil to assuage these suspicions at this point. And fwiw, bluster doesn’t count as a response.
From just another lentil-munching, cycling, greenie.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
or the m.a. could just stand for my porn-name..
‘michael adonis’..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Chthoniid “I’m clearly a newbie here, but it does seem that there has been a genuine, independent effort to verify Phil’s claim. This has thrown reasonable doubt on Phil’s claims of academic achievement.”
No no no, all we have here is a conflict of evidence. I’m confident that there is an innocent explanation.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
i should have bought the phd..but that was $59.95..
..and i needed the twenty bucks for a tinny..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
“…attend somewhere reputable, like Cuba or Roumania.”
Not a chance, Whoar can only be a graduate from two places: either University of Addis Abbaba, Ethiopia, (master-cum-laude on Cannabis Studies), or the Universty of Ping-Pen, China, (Profound Chemistry Professorship).
Vote:Notice the emphasis on the letter P.
September 29th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Philu, can’t you just feel the love?
So warm in here.
So who is paying you so handsomely?
The Dwarf?
The Tyrant?
The cosmic twinky brigade?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
and hey..you strange little (obessed with my education) floozies..
..haven’t you noticed the ‘new world order’..seems to be..um..!..crumbling..?
but hey..!
..Economics expert Simon Johnson talks with NPR’s Scott Simon about the state of Wall Street and the U.S. economy.
Johnson is a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund..
..a professor at Sloan School of Management at MIT..
..and a senior fellow with the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington.
Johnson says the presidential candidates both avoided questions about the bailout in their Friday debate.
The U.S. has to look outside itself — “This is a global problem,” he says..
..and it’s worrisome that other nations haven’t wanted to step up and help find a solution..”
(recommended-(5 min.)-listen..)
http://whoar.co.nz/2008/fiscal-cracks-extend-beyond-us/
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
have you seen any of my ‘work’,..?..as ‘michael adonis’..?
(n.s.f.w..!..eh..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
(n.s.f.w..!..eh..?..)
just like you apparently
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Philu, you must be on even more danger money than me!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Phool, you’re not answering my question: How well do you know Nandor Tanczos?
Who is paying you, is it out of the Green Parliamentary Staffer alocation, or from the MoE, or from Pacific Ecologist Mag, or from a Uni?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
We’re a good team, Danny-boy and me…..he’s Danny-Boy, I’m Phil the Fluter.
Can you hear the hounds baying, philu? They’ve got your scent. Shall we add Glutaemus to our team?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Hagues “No no no, all we have here is a conflict of evidence. I’m confident that there is an innocent explanation.”
I’m sure it will all be cleared up in 5 minutes.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Now now Phool, the diversion tactics will not work today.
All you need to do is prove that what you say is true or admit you are lying, its fairly easy really, put up or apologise.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Remember RogerNome? He had his reasons for trolling here…….he really was trying to make a case for his political beliefs…..I respect him for that…….he gave it away…….I respect him for that even more……….He wasn’t succeeding in convincing anybody, and onlookers following the arguments we were having were being turned into converts to his opponents side…….
What is it that keeps YOU coming back, running back, coming back, for more……..Phool?
What do we hafta do to get YOU to say “uncle”?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
i already told you..!
i am but a pawn/minion of the vast left wing conspiracy..
(deep/dark/(vegan)/green..(sub)-branch..
..and..how well do we know anybody..?
..eh..?
and phil-the-inferior..
..what is your real name..?
..and where do you ‘work’..?
..and..are you also a porn-star..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
..phil-the-inferior..?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
“..What do we hafta do to get YOU to say “uncle”?..”
it’s quite simple..
..offer me money..
(surely you free-marketeers can understand/relate to that..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
“What do we hafta do to get YOU to say “uncle”?”
Show him a bag full of crystals, ……sugar crystals, of course.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
it’s quite simple..
..offer me money..
I was under the impression we were already giving you a few hundie a week.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Philu:
“…….back with the death threats..
eh you fucken scum gluteinous..!
could you please do something about this ..david farrar..!
…….”
What are you so upset about, phool? This is one of your objectives you’re paid to achieve, isn’t it? Provoke the rightwingers into “hate speech”, so that you will have a pretext to take away our freedom of speech altogether, you and your fellow Stalinists? Spy on us, hack into our blogs and our websites, and prosecute us in your effing “Human Rights” Kangaroo Courts….
Me, paranoid? Hey, it’s already happening in Sweden and Norway and Canada. Phool is just following an established tradition on the Left……
You’ve done a good job, phule, eh? I bet Sue and Keith’s minions have added Glutaemus’ “death threats” to their treasure trove of “evidence”, eh, phool…….I bet you’ll be up for a bonus…….
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Phil Best has a certain notion.
For me, it is important to get to the basal realities of the problem.
I am a ringer.
Able to act quite independently. Plausible deniability changes the mindset.
Philu, do you want a group hug? A Valedictory prose? Or do you prefer to look for the:
Blink, blink, blink!
Amber, my favourite colour. Nightswimming. Best track of REM, Automatic for the People
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
now..don’t say i never do anything for you..eh..?
here is a roundup of rightwing cartoons..
http://whoar.co.nz/2008/right-wing-cartoon-watch-32-72108-%e2%80%93-92508/
(they aren’t that ‘funny’..more mean/nasty..
..but ..y’know..that’s that rightwing sense of humour byepass at birth thing kicking in/proving itself..again..
..eh..?
go..feast on this carrion..!
..you vile creatures..!
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
uh..oh..!
phil-the-inferior is having a paranoia-meltdown..!
..again..!
brilliant..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Hey, all you other “researchers” into Phool’s academic achievements……….
He doth protest too much……..but try this: at least MY name really IS “Phil”……..
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
I’m a newbie here, but from my experience on other blogs I have found that the best way to get rid of idiots is for everyone to totally ignore them. Don’t respond to any posts at all. This robs them of their oxygen of attention. Eventually, they will get sick of it and leave of their own accord.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Philu, the death threat queen.
Very odd.
Paranoia is a wonderful place to be.
Did you realise that everyone hates you?
Not at all. We are happy and content. Feel the love!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
…..and still not a shred of evidence regarding the MA.
I’m going to bring this up again and again until you give us an answer, Phil.
I’m going to make you an offer. You put up solid, concrete evidence of your MA, and I will unreservedly apologize to you for ever doubting you.
You have 48 hours.
If, in 48 hours time, you have produced no such evidence, then I shall deem myself to have called your bluff, and proclaim Glut, PhilBest, Big Bruv & Co (sorry if I missed anyone) the undisputed winners of this little controversy, and henceforth shall use it to cast doubt on the veracity of every one of your assertions.
If you do actually have the MA you claim to have, then this should be an exceptionally easy bet to win.
P.S. I’d avoid photoshopping any documentary evidence… I have a very good friend who shares an office with me who can spot a ‘shopped image ten miles away. Seriously, he’s an expert.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
tknorris.
Don’t you know how how hard we have tried to delouse the blogs here.
This maniac comes back for more. Because he gets huge dollars for his cogent work.
Loads a money. He is only in cyberspace to try and divide and rule!
Not long now before he is pinged.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Did anyone else hear Marian Hobbs getting on her high horse on Natioanl Socialist Radio last night? Soooooooo precious.
http://kiwipolemicist.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/mp-marian-hobbes-makes-a-sanctimonious-attack-on-the-media/
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
For those who are interested, this is philus’ background by his own hand and recorded here
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2005/02/tame_iti.html
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Well pinged Gerit!
Philu is a wonderful human being!
Feel the love.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
“my name is phillip ure; i am an ex junkie (15 yrs clean of junk; still use pot), ex con (armed robbery of chemist shop whilst going through smack withdrawels), vegan,dpb supported sole dad(thanks), environmental/animal rights activist/supporter. ”
And we all contribute to the dole this bludger collects every fortnight without lifting a finger, other than to open the oven.
Vote:No wonder NZ is falling behind with “people”, scum is the better term, of Whoar’s caliber.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Good ol’ Philu.
Still at it and claiming intellectual credentials.
Vote:So do we now have a pathetice brain dead educated troll?
If we keep feeding him, he may burst and save the oxygen for someone who deserves it.
September 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
kiwipolemicist
I did hear that disgusting tirade from bo bo Hobbs, it is indeed a bit worrying that Labour are out to destroy the media.
Of course the ultimate goal of Labour is to control the media and control what the public hear and the fashion in which “news” is released.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
“i am an ex junkie (15 yrs clean of junk; still use pot)”
How can he be an ex-junkie if he still uses pot? This is typical if his own “astounding lack of intellectual rigor [sic]“.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
big bruv
Yes, Labour do find free speech and independent thought very inconvenient.
Did you also note Marian’s Marxist attack on big business?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Phil U has to come here. He needs us.
I scrolled through the front page of his blog looking for comments and got zip.
He’s got to come here to be loved and noticed.
Because we really, really care.
Feel the aroha.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Where is the Greek swimming champion when you need him?
Philu, who pays the ferryman?
Produced in Elounda.
Philu is tiresome, sad , and soon to be irrelevant!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
GM “Philu is tiresome, sad , and soon to be irrelevant!”
SOON?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Wind Rider sees the truth no one else has been smart enough to discern.
http://silentrunning.tv/?p=3219
Comic genius!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Wind Rider sees the truth no one else has been smart enough to discern.
http://silentrunning.tv/?p=3219
Comic genius!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Manolo, I have been pursuing a theory about Philu for the last few days, I believe he is getting paid a lot more of our money than if he was just a welfare bludger. I believe he is the same type as the “Standard” – he is funded to do what he does, although his pathetic website is obviously not as prominent as the Standard; but he is up to some other game.
He won’t answer my question: how well do you know Nandor, Phool?
Watch this space.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
As I previously posted about phil… I know him..
Vote:Cmon phil…come out &; play with us some more..
You studiously ignored me the last time..
truth hurts …eh…phil…..eh??//
September 29th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
The best thing about phule is he doesn’t know when to slink away like a whipped cur.
Giving and giving and giving.
I, for one, am loving it.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
how well do we really know anyone..?
phil-the-inferior..?
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Oh..Phools back, must have been away cooking up another batch.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Interesting to note Philu’s surname – *Ure*
In Maori, *ure* is a *stick*.
So Phil Stick, you’re sure copping some today.
I guess if there was anything positive about you, its your penchant for taking punishment. Into SM and B & D are you?
You are a great buddy for David Benson- Dope.
Smoke Up!
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
“I have been pursuing a theory about Philu for the last few days, I believe he is getting paid a lot more of our money than if he was just a welfare bludger.”
You may be proven right, Phil. Nonetheless, I do hate everything Whoar represents: mediocrity; intellectual laziness; an utterly false sense of compassion and concern for others (the bludger only looks after himself); a total disregard for the truth, even when confonted by it; a sense of moral superiority on environmental matters (acquired who knows from where);
an abhorrence for work, which makes him a parasite on our backs, as if we need another one in NZ, the land of bludgers.
I don’t care if he’s a former jailbird, we all make mistakes in life and in time are capable of redeeming ourselves. Phil Ure is not.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
i thought ure meant ‘penis’..
or ‘power’ .in maori..
(oh no..!..i just realised..!
..this will feed phil-the-inferiors’ paranoia-delusions..
..it could add a whole new facet/thread to them…
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
that’s why when i hear someone say..’he’s a real dick’..
..i will lift my head in recognition..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
What do you hear when someone says ‘show us your MA”?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
i think they must have seen one of my michael adonis porn-flicks..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I just saw ‘Vote with Both Eyes Open’ at http://botheyesopen.org.nz/ With a name like that it should ideally cover every person standing, not just one party. Maybe a better name would be “I’ll choose how I want to be one-eyed”
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Philu, do you declare your income from your “porn-flicks”? Or did you work gratis?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
and look..!..i’m really getting worried about you guys..
..the possibilities of you all getting r.s.i…
..from over-enthusiastic/excessive negative-karma-ing..
eh..?
phil;(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Phillip Ure, I am going to go out on a limb here and pick you are 57..;)
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:rbMMMyby6icJ:www.oldfriends.co.nz/school/Rosmini-College/6918.htm+%22phillip+ure%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=21
this shows you went to Rosmini (Catholic) School from 1961-1965. This would make you roughly 57-60.
You were addicted to drugs for 15 years so I doubt you are a young guy! Phillip Ure is too rare a name for it not to be you.
You are on the DPB but also get cash for your broadcasting technical stuff (but not much). Most of your time you waste on Whoar and trolling.
I have done some trolling myself.
This was found on old friends.
Phillip Ure
57 years old and living in Auckland.
“travelled lots, junkie for 15~20 yrs, did time, went to auck uni in 90′s and did masters in politics [possible, but someone check it out properly]. 20 yrs radio broadcasting experience. 2 nippers (27) and (9). currently living in auck city cheers. am running a newswire service/blog http://www.whoar.co.nz”
Essentially your credentials are not exactly inspiring, especially for a 57 year old. I almost feel sorry for you but you dont blog like in any genuine way so I’m not sure you deserve any sympathy. You are an outsider aren’t you, the kind of guy who expects people not to like him and has limited social skills & therefore has few friends.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Brian (Shadowfoot): if you want posters from the OTHER side (ie, the right side), check these out – large enough for printing on A3:
http://sites.google.com/site/savenewzealand/Home/cullenbanner.pdf
Vote:http://sites.google.com/site/savenewzealand/Home/helenbanner.pdf
http://sites.google.com/site/savenewzealand/Home/suebradford.pdf
September 29th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
it was the usual porn-exploitation-tale..
..i was young and beautiful..
an ‘adonis’..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Well done Glubbster
So it seems that Phool has no intention of EVER going back to work, it will be straight from the DPB to the Pension.
I wonder if the pension should have % deductions made for those who have sponged off the rest of us?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
“..but you dont blog like in any genuine way..”
funny that i’m the only one using my real name..eh..?
..wither the ‘genuine’..?
..eh..?
..cowardly children..saying naughty things..from behind hidden/false names..?
..and never ever saying anything even remotely interesting/intelligent/informative/relevant..
..that’s all most of you are..
..just setting new benchmarks in pathetic..
..eh..?..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
tonights simpsons is sorta relevant..
..homer is dennouncing flanders..
heh..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
got to love this line “went to auck uni in 90’s and did masters in politics [possible, but someone check it out properly].”
FFS I’m not sure if I done a masters, can someone check for me!!!!
Well we checked – you didn’t. Its a BA actually.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
gee..!..you are really incomprehendably ‘dumb’
..aren’t you hagues..
..(you’ve done a few of these..eh..)
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Philu went to Rosmini??!!!!
What an insult to Rosmini and all other Catholics – me included.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
The Glubbster strikes…
Vote:um…PhilU do you want to send us a pic as well since you are not anonymous anymore! Would make you assertions a little stonger..
I am also looking forward to rubbing it in when National are duly elected on 8/11/08. Since you have hassled everyone with your childlike predictions and your childlike posts all year (I can see why you were expelled in 5th form as you are barely intelligible) I’m sure we will have some good fun at your expense
September 29th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
you can be consoled…
i was expelled..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
oh..glubbster..still your beating heart..!
soon you’ll be able to see me..
..your dreams/wants will be answered
..on a weekly basis..and on demand..
..not long now..
..eh..?
..(it’s gonna be ‘unmissable-excitement’..)
..the return of michael adonis..
..’coming’ soon..!
..to a screen near you..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Very important reading folks
According to Democrat Rep Barney Frank, these two financial entities are not facing any kind of financial crisis. They HAVE been criticised for exerting too much influence over their regulators who in turn regulate them more thereby forcing more pressure on rates people can’t afford which then produces foreclosures. This then sounds that the govt is covering up the foreclosures by inventing a crisis. This is because the government refuses to repeal financial investing into the two entities. The govt just keeps flooding them with money and now wants to pad them with billions.
Here are the scary quotes.
Barney Frank “”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
”I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,” Mr. Watt said.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
“..I’m sure we will have some good fun at your expense..”
no darling..
..you will all be in a state of shock..!
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
philu:
Bullshit. Some do not, but I use my real name. As do quite a few other posters. You’ve been outed as a liar, phil. You could do what Philip John should have done and apologize. But I strongly suspect you do not have the fortitude and integrity to do so. I’d be happily proven wrong though.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Phil: Given your broadcasting background and your surname, are you related to Mike Ure? (serious question, I used to work with the guy at Radio Pacific and lost touch ages ago. If so, tell him I said hi).
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
“..You’ve been outed as a liar, phil…”
um..how..why..where..when..?
and rex..not as far as i know..but it is an unusual name..and that side of the family is scattered..
..i am also often asked about the actor..stephen ure..
..and once again..
..not as far as i know..but etc etc..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Are you related to the phool plant sold at Watermelon Patch?
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Look, guys, there are two ways in which “philu” could be shitting us. He doesn’t want to show us his M.A. – why?
Because he doesn’t have one?
Or because he DOES have one, and the name on it is NOT “Philip Ure”………….?
After all his bluster about anonymous posters……..? Eh?
Don’t keep changing the subject, phule……….
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
i already told you..it’s michael adonis..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I’ve had multiple complaints about this thread today. Having just got home after eight hours of meetings, I’m not even going to bother reading this thread.
Advance notice that tomorrow I am home almost all day and handing out demerits in abundance if there is a repeat.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
heh – stealing the greens’ thunder: http://www.ericroy.co.nz/?p=64
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Planting trees is always good. We haven’t had enough of that recently.
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
David Farrar is a lazy blogmaster! He posts controversial topics then heads off to sip chardonnay with the elite! (Just kidding btw – don’t demerit me).
Having said that, at the risk of causing a stir, I just want to say one thing: Wellington Street. Enigmatic for all but one
Vote:September 29th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Buggerlugs: love the article and good luck – but PLEASE – teach your grandson about good clothing style too – that matters as much (if not more!) than environmentalism! Putting the poor thing in to a blue overall is just not good parenting! He should have matching gumboots and gloves at the very least! Anyway – I do wish you good luck in the campaign – I suspect that you will outdo the greens in your campaign. If I lived in Invercargill I would vote for you (but party vote ACT)
Vote:September 30th, 2008 at 1:01 am
Labour still on to lose big on 8 November? Yes they are.
Good good.
Vote:September 30th, 2008 at 5:00 am
“Are you Greek?”
Glutaemus: it’s probably not too wise…….
to use the word ‘Greek’ …….
in a question to a guy……
who sits at home all day…..
with the curtains drawn…..
eh?????…….
Vote:September 30th, 2008 at 5:04 am
Phil: “it was the usual porn-exploitation-tale….i was young and beautiful..an ‘adonis’..
Now you just sit at home, with nothing but your memories…..
and your child……
scary…..
eh???……
[DPF: And that is 100 demerits for that implict siggestion]
Vote:September 30th, 2008 at 8:14 am
DPF
Vote:I think that whilst the robustness of the discussion got ugly and rough.
the issue of lying and lack of integrity is important for the free exchange of ideas.
I mthink those who demanded accountability are correct in substance.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:36 am
I see that name ‘Ure’ is coming up.
I actually thought it was a French name as a translator by the name of Jean Ure translated Sven Hassels novels from the
Danish, but she is actually English.
‘Jean Ure’ sounds such a more exotic name than an English one.
Vote:September 30th, 2008 at 9:41 am
no..it’s a scottish name..
..there is a river ure in scotland..
..and i have worked out why my m.a. is not listed ..
(ahem..!..unpaid library fines..)
..y’know..!..i’m lying about having a masters degree..from the university up the road..?
..y’know..i’ve made a few mistakes in the life..
..but i really don’t think i am that dumb..
..as to try that on..
..eh..?
(i mean..i was on-air on bfm all during that time..
(or am i making that up too..?..)
phil(whoar.co.nz)
Vote:October 1st, 2008 at 6:27 am
Why is Labour acting like they have a chance in this election? It’s out on their ass for them.
TIME FOR A CHANGE!!
Vote:October 1st, 2008 at 6:47 am
OECD.
Sweet delusions!
Vote: