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		<title>By: Kevin Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-490496</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 03:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Below is some feedback from Tony Andrews. What it shows is that he is very bias, 
which he has already stated. From what I can see, his agenda is not to seek out information, but to crush 
anything that disagrees with his and other skeptics understanding of life. I suggested to him that I could give him 
some insight into the subject of Soul, Mind and Body, as a first step to understanding it all, but like most skeptics they already know everything there is to know? It&#039;s not hard to see why the psychics don&#039;t want anything to do 
with such a skeptic

As I practice Psychosomatic Healing and have a 90% success rate, money back garantee on what I do,
indicates I have some insight and more than most on the subject of psychosomatic healing. 
Tony Andrews, having no training or ability in that field and not even knowing the difference 
between psychosomatic healing and psychosomatic medicine, pretends he knows something about it.
I&#039;ve suggested on other websites that if anyone [psychiatrists, psychologists, doctors, nuerologists, criminologists, or any other physical healer] knows more about psychosomatic healing than I do, let them put their money [$1000] where their mouth is. 

Psychosomatic Healing
http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz

Tony Andrews Wrote
Thanks for your feedback.

A psychosomatic illness or disorder has physiological symptoms that are 
caused by mental processes of the &quot;sufferer&quot; and not by actual physiological 
causes. Mental is a combination of intellect and emotion and has nothing to 
do with spiritual. To associate spiritual beliefs with psychosomatic 
disorders is a mere ruse in an attempt to gain credibility for the existence 
of spirituality.

Placebo medicines have been used as a &quot;quick-fix cure&quot; for psychosomatic 
disorders in the past. It has been realised however that this method is 
merely replacing one belief with another which actually cures nothing. Two 
wrongs don&#039;t make a right. Spiritual beliefs are placebos realities and do 
nothing to actually cure psychosomatic disorders. You are not practicing 
psychosomatic healing you are merely replacing one belief with another and 
wrongly claming that the results are a cure. In the process you are sucking 
gullible people in to a ludicrous religious belief system that was created 
by a science fiction writer.

Have a nice afterlife

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below is some feedback from Tony Andrews. What it shows is that he is very bias,<br />
which he has already stated. From what I can see, his agenda is not to seek out information, but to crush<br />
anything that disagrees with his and other skeptics understanding of life. I suggested to him that I could give him<br />
some insight into the subject of Soul, Mind and Body, as a first step to understanding it all, but like most skeptics they already know everything there is to know? It&#8217;s not hard to see why the psychics don&#8217;t want anything to do<br />
with such a skeptic</p>
<p>As I practice Psychosomatic Healing and have a 90% success rate, money back garantee on what I do,<br />
indicates I have some insight and more than most on the subject of psychosomatic healing.<br />
Tony Andrews, having no training or ability in that field and not even knowing the difference<br />
between psychosomatic healing and psychosomatic medicine, pretends he knows something about it.<br />
I&#8217;ve suggested on other websites that if anyone [psychiatrists, psychologists, doctors, nuerologists, criminologists, or any other physical healer] knows more about psychosomatic healing than I do, let them put their money [$1000] where their mouth is. </p>
<p>Psychosomatic Healing<br />
<a href="http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz" rel="nofollow">http://www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz</a></p>
<p>Tony Andrews Wrote<br />
Thanks for your feedback.</p>
<p>A psychosomatic illness or disorder has physiological symptoms that are<br />
caused by mental processes of the &#8220;sufferer&#8221; and not by actual physiological<br />
causes. Mental is a combination of intellect and emotion and has nothing to<br />
do with spiritual. To associate spiritual beliefs with psychosomatic<br />
disorders is a mere ruse in an attempt to gain credibility for the existence<br />
of spirituality.</p>
<p>Placebo medicines have been used as a &#8220;quick-fix cure&#8221; for psychosomatic<br />
disorders in the past. It has been realised however that this method is<br />
merely replacing one belief with another which actually cures nothing. Two<br />
wrongs don&#8217;t make a right. Spiritual beliefs are placebos realities and do<br />
nothing to actually cure psychosomatic disorders. You are not practicing<br />
psychosomatic healing you are merely replacing one belief with another and<br />
wrongly claming that the results are a cure. In the process you are sucking<br />
gullible people in to a ludicrous religious belief system that was created<br />
by a science fiction writer.</p>
<p>Have a nice afterlife</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>By: rightofleftcentre</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-483234</link>
		<dc:creator>rightofleftcentre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there&#039;s one of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there&#8217;s one of them!</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-483232</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so..did any of you watch the show tonight..?

feedback..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so..did any of you watch the show tonight..?</p>
<p>feedback..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: rightofleftcentre</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482593</link>
		<dc:creator>rightofleftcentre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really scary thing about this is the number of believers there are out there. That&#039;s the real reason the TV execs put this drivel on - it&#039;s good for the ratings.

The age of enlightenment? - i think not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really scary thing about this is the number of believers there are out there. That&#8217;s the real reason the TV execs put this drivel on &#8211; it&#8217;s good for the ratings.</p>
<p>The age of enlightenment? &#8211; i think not!</p>
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		<title>By: John Ansell</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482540</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said Baxter. There&#039;s much to be said for simplicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Baxter. There&#8217;s much to be said for simplicity.</p>
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		<title>By: baxter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482514</link>
		<dc:creator>baxter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going by all the comments above it seems that only three or four of us watch and enjoy the programme.I&#039;m a simple man and I do believe in the paranormal. I&#039;ve also been a friend of the Detective frontman for over 30 years and know him to be of high integrity. It is one thing to be told (psychics) that a certain person committed the murder and how and an entirely different thing to establish a court case though. I would love to see them tackle the Crewe murders though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going by all the comments above it seems that only three or four of us watch and enjoy the programme.I&#8217;m a simple man and I do believe in the paranormal. I&#8217;ve also been a friend of the Detective frontman for over 30 years and know him to be of high integrity. It is one thing to be told (psychics) that a certain person committed the murder and how and an entirely different thing to establish a court case though. I would love to see them tackle the Crewe murders though.</p>
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		<title>By: philu</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482512</link>
		<dc:creator>philu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>are you a virgo..?..fisi..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you a virgo..?..fisi..?</p>
<p>phil(whoar.co.nz)</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482410</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>goodgod said...
&lt;i&gt;Explore for chrissake. I’m not interested in what you personally believe, nor do I want to tear your belief system down for fun on a rainy morning, but you can’t claim certainty using the method you are.&lt;/i&gt;

No, the method that I used is independent of me or other scientists whether I am here or not. It is independent of human existence. The method I used is the universal laws of the universe, it was here way before humans existed and they will still be here when we humans all long gone. The universal laws of the universe is built on conservation principles, for it to be falsified, then we accept that everything around us is not real, ie, your last post was just an illusion, you didn&#039;t use a computer to post that message since the computer was just a figment of imagination, what you see if front of you is not real, just illusion, etc...  See, if psychic claims is to be hold true then conservation laws is out the window because it contradicts those. These opposing views/concepts can&#039;t be both true. Either conservation laws of the universe is bullshit where you can accept that everything around you is illusion or otherwise that psychic claims is bullshit. Which is your pick? Everything is illusion or psychic claims who can&#039;t even spell the names of the dead people they claim to talk to? Something like this. I am talking to a spirit of person with a name starting with  J...   or perhaps  Jim, John, Jane, blah, blah, ...  bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>goodgod said&#8230;<br />
<i>Explore for chrissake. I’m not interested in what you personally believe, nor do I want to tear your belief system down for fun on a rainy morning, but you can’t claim certainty using the method you are.</i></p>
<p>No, the method that I used is independent of me or other scientists whether I am here or not. It is independent of human existence. The method I used is the universal laws of the universe, it was here way before humans existed and they will still be here when we humans all long gone. The universal laws of the universe is built on conservation principles, for it to be falsified, then we accept that everything around us is not real, ie, your last post was just an illusion, you didn&#8217;t use a computer to post that message since the computer was just a figment of imagination, what you see if front of you is not real, just illusion, etc&#8230;  See, if psychic claims is to be hold true then conservation laws is out the window because it contradicts those. These opposing views/concepts can&#8217;t be both true. Either conservation laws of the universe is bullshit where you can accept that everything around you is illusion or otherwise that psychic claims is bullshit. Which is your pick? Everything is illusion or psychic claims who can&#8217;t even spell the names of the dead people they claim to talk to? Something like this. I am talking to a spirit of person with a name starting with  J&#8230;   or perhaps  Jim, John, Jane, blah, blah, &#8230;  bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: goodgod</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482400</link>
		<dc:creator>goodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Whatever term that psychics choose to use, it is irrelevant, since the universe is made up of either mass or energy...&quot;

Ok, haha, time for disclaimers!  Spill the beans falafulu fisi -why do you need to know that psychic ability is not possible? Are you an atheist?   You can&#039;t suggest the existence of spirit in one post, and know all the implications of that, and then deny that spirit exists because it cannot be found by physics.  You suggested spirit - yes you.  It&#039;s a concept humans have struggled with since they first stood up.  Explore for chrissake.  I&#039;m not interested in what you personally believe, nor do I want to tear your belief system down for fun on a rainy morning, but you can&#039;t claim certainty using the method you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whatever term that psychics choose to use, it is irrelevant, since the universe is made up of either mass or energy&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, haha, time for disclaimers!  Spill the beans falafulu fisi -why do you need to know that psychic ability is not possible? Are you an atheist?   You can&#8217;t suggest the existence of spirit in one post, and know all the implications of that, and then deny that spirit exists because it cannot be found by physics.  You suggested spirit &#8211; yes you.  It&#8217;s a concept humans have struggled with since they first stood up.  Explore for chrissake.  I&#8217;m not interested in what you personally believe, nor do I want to tear your belief system down for fun on a rainy morning, but you can&#8217;t claim certainty using the method you are.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482398</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Ansell said...
&lt;i&gt;If they call it “paloomanga-doodoo” instead of energy, then what?&lt;/i&gt;

Whatever term that psychics choose to use, it is irrelevant, since the universe is made up of either mass or energy and these 2 entities are interchangeable via the Einstein equation:  E = m*c^2  , ie,  heat/radiation can be condensed and become mass, as well as mass can vaporize &amp; become radiation (nuclear reaction).  Anything that psychic claims to be outside these 2 entities (mass/energy) is hokum.  This is the typical excuse that is used by psychics and its followers, saying that science can&#039;t prove everything. Science can prove that psychics is bullshit, end of story, no ifs no buts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Ansell said&#8230;<br />
<i>If they call it “paloomanga-doodoo” instead of energy, then what?</i></p>
<p>Whatever term that psychics choose to use, it is irrelevant, since the universe is made up of either mass or energy and these 2 entities are interchangeable via the Einstein equation:  E = m*c^2  , ie,  heat/radiation can be condensed and become mass, as well as mass can vaporize &amp; become radiation (nuclear reaction).  Anything that psychic claims to be outside these 2 entities (mass/energy) is hokum.  This is the typical excuse that is used by psychics and its followers, saying that science can&#8217;t prove everything. Science can prove that psychics is bullshit, end of story, no ifs no buts.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482397</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Ansell said...
&lt;i&gt;reject psychics on philosophical grounds alone?&lt;/i&gt;

From an objectivist  point of view in philosophy the concept of infinity can&#039;t materially exist. It is a useful tool in mathematical abstraction, but it cannot be applied to the physical world.  A thing must have an identity, ie,  A is A.   You can&#039;t have an entity  that is both  A   and  B  simultaneously.

Now to psychic.  Here is a simple thought experiment to be tested.   Assemble a group/team of say  3 psychics per team of  5 teams from the general population.  Disperse those 5 teams to different locations on the planet to do readings on the same supposedly  dead  person.  Each team don&#039;t know that there are other teams out there in different locations trying to talk to the same dead spirit. The coordinator of these different teams, must time that these groups start their reading at the same time, even they might be in different time zones but it is vital that they are being done simultaneously. It is easily demonstrable that these group will claim to talk to this same spirit simultaneously.

What does that implies?  Well it implies that the spirit is everywhere at once, ie, not localized, but smeared itself out globally so that different parts of it appear  to different teams at different locations simultaneously.  Philosophically, the existence of such infinite everywhere at once, must be dismissed because the thing (A, B, C or whatever) or entity doesn&#039;t possess an identity anymore. Anything that doesn&#039;t have identity must be an imaginary object, ie, it doesn&#039;t exist in the physical world that we observe.  If those imaginary objects are being promoted as real, (in the sense of the physical universe and its known laws that we witnessed around us) by its proponents, ie, psychics and believers, then those individuals must be categorized as delusional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Ansell said&#8230;<br />
<i>reject psychics on philosophical grounds alone?</i></p>
<p>From an objectivist  point of view in philosophy the concept of infinity can&#8217;t materially exist. It is a useful tool in mathematical abstraction, but it cannot be applied to the physical world.  A thing must have an identity, ie,  A is A.   You can&#8217;t have an entity  that is both  A   and  B  simultaneously.</p>
<p>Now to psychic.  Here is a simple thought experiment to be tested.   Assemble a group/team of say  3 psychics per team of  5 teams from the general population.  Disperse those 5 teams to different locations on the planet to do readings on the same supposedly  dead  person.  Each team don&#8217;t know that there are other teams out there in different locations trying to talk to the same dead spirit. The coordinator of these different teams, must time that these groups start their reading at the same time, even they might be in different time zones but it is vital that they are being done simultaneously. It is easily demonstrable that these group will claim to talk to this same spirit simultaneously.</p>
<p>What does that implies?  Well it implies that the spirit is everywhere at once, ie, not localized, but smeared itself out globally so that different parts of it appear  to different teams at different locations simultaneously.  Philosophically, the existence of such infinite everywhere at once, must be dismissed because the thing (A, B, C or whatever) or entity doesn&#8217;t possess an identity anymore. Anything that doesn&#8217;t have identity must be an imaginary object, ie, it doesn&#8217;t exist in the physical world that we observe.  If those imaginary objects are being promoted as real, (in the sense of the physical universe and its known laws that we witnessed around us) by its proponents, ie, psychics and believers, then those individuals must be categorized as delusional.</p>
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		<title>By: David Farrar</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482392</link>
		<dc:creator>David Farrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reject psychics because they have never been able to demonstrate any ability under controlled test conditions.</description>
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		<title>By: Thomas the Unbeliever</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482391</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas the Unbeliever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 22:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed the frying of Sensing Murder by Raybon Kan in this week&#039;s SST and by Jermey Wells a few weeks ago on RNZ. The issue is not whether psychics and they fellow travellers have some validity - the issue is whether this show exploits victims and provides a platform for charlatans. 

We should be laughing these guys off the screens - and the TVNZ execs who endorse them.

Exposing Graham Capill&#039;s crime - and his hypocrisy - was not an attack on Christianity. Proving his crime did not disprove his religion - just how he was practicing it!!

The real question: if the Sensing Murder psychics were plumbers/car dealers/builders - what would Target/Consumer/Fair Go/Commerce Commision be saying/doing?

I think we should be subjecting these individuals to the ordinary tests of credibility and performance. That is far simpler (and more important) than the broader issues of spirituality and the &quot;other world&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed the frying of Sensing Murder by Raybon Kan in this week&#8217;s SST and by Jermey Wells a few weeks ago on RNZ. The issue is not whether psychics and they fellow travellers have some validity &#8211; the issue is whether this show exploits victims and provides a platform for charlatans. </p>
<p>We should be laughing these guys off the screens &#8211; and the TVNZ execs who endorse them.</p>
<p>Exposing Graham Capill&#8217;s crime &#8211; and his hypocrisy &#8211; was not an attack on Christianity. Proving his crime did not disprove his religion &#8211; just how he was practicing it!!</p>
<p>The real question: if the Sensing Murder psychics were plumbers/car dealers/builders &#8211; what would Target/Consumer/Fair Go/Commerce Commision be saying/doing?</p>
<p>I think we should be subjecting these individuals to the ordinary tests of credibility and performance. That is far simpler (and more important) than the broader issues of spirituality and the &#8220;other world&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: goodgod</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482388</link>
		<dc:creator>goodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Falafulu Fisi, there is a flaw in your argument on the Reality TV site:

You say the psychics get their info from an &quot;energy&quot; source.  The error is that you take them at their word that what they&#039;re dealing with is &quot;energy.&quot;  You have proven that what they claim to use is not energy governed by the laws of physics, but you have not proven that they are not using something else to get their info.  Your scientific model is being used to disprove, not explore - which is bad science.  Later you imply it is &quot;spirit&quot;, but you do not go looking for evidence of spirit.  The argument is then one of technical terms.  If they call it &quot;paloomanga-doodoo&quot; instead of energy,  then what?  Just because they don&#039;t know the correct term for what they claim to use, it does no mean it doesn&#039;t exist.  Before man had a name for heat, did he deny it&#039;s existence?  Anyway, I&#039;m not doing this to prove psychics are right, but to encourage a better argument that they are frauds, or to discover exactly what it is that they experience.

So if we use your implication that it is &quot;spirit&quot;, how do we prove it is spirit?  What test is there for spiritual experience?  Does spirit have a form that cannot be measured by physics?  That would be the obvious suggestion, but it does not mean it can&#039;t or won&#039;t ever be measured. I have no idea how you go about measuring the occurance of spirit.  It sounds like something theology is concerned with. 

Making my own leap of logic, I may be asking you prove the existence of god by using science, which I doubt you can. Congratulations for proving what psychics claim to use is not energy as we know it.

My head is becoming cluttered with p&#039;s, h&#039;s, and y&#039;s and s&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Falafulu Fisi, there is a flaw in your argument on the Reality TV site:</p>
<p>You say the psychics get their info from an &#8220;energy&#8221; source.  The error is that you take them at their word that what they&#8217;re dealing with is &#8220;energy.&#8221;  You have proven that what they claim to use is not energy governed by the laws of physics, but you have not proven that they are not using something else to get their info.  Your scientific model is being used to disprove, not explore &#8211; which is bad science.  Later you imply it is &#8220;spirit&#8221;, but you do not go looking for evidence of spirit.  The argument is then one of technical terms.  If they call it &#8220;paloomanga-doodoo&#8221; instead of energy,  then what?  Just because they don&#8217;t know the correct term for what they claim to use, it does no mean it doesn&#8217;t exist.  Before man had a name for heat, did he deny it&#8217;s existence?  Anyway, I&#8217;m not doing this to prove psychics are right, but to encourage a better argument that they are frauds, or to discover exactly what it is that they experience.</p>
<p>So if we use your implication that it is &#8220;spirit&#8221;, how do we prove it is spirit?  What test is there for spiritual experience?  Does spirit have a form that cannot be measured by physics?  That would be the obvious suggestion, but it does not mean it can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t ever be measured. I have no idea how you go about measuring the occurance of spirit.  It sounds like something theology is concerned with. </p>
<p>Making my own leap of logic, I may be asking you prove the existence of god by using science, which I doubt you can. Congratulations for proving what psychics claim to use is not energy as we know it.</p>
<p>My head is becoming cluttered with p&#8217;s, h&#8217;s, and y&#8217;s and s&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ansell</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482377</link>
		<dc:creator>John Ansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Reid. 

But Falufalu Fisu, how can you reject psychics on philosophical grounds alone? That&#039;s saying, &quot;I don&#039;t believe because I don&#039;t want to believe&quot;. That&#039;s Reid&#039;s point. The paranormal obviously threatens your worldview and you don&#039;t want a bar of it.

Similarly, socialists don&#039;t believe the likes of ACT, not because it doesn&#039;t make sense, but because it threatens their emotional belief in the power of the state. 

And conservatives don&#039;t believe in psychics because they&#039;re brought up to believe in another brand of paranormality called God.

As for the laws of physics, have they not been updated at various times as new information comes along?

I think the only certainty in the world is that we cannot possibly exist. 

(Well, how can we? Whatever created us must first have been created by something else, and so on, making it impossible for the first thing to have been created.)

I rather like the theory that God is a CD-ROM, with everything that&#039;s ever going to happen having already happened. But who or what burned it?

How can we be sure of anything (except that Winston Peters is toast)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Reid. </p>
<p>But Falufalu Fisu, how can you reject psychics on philosophical grounds alone? That&#8217;s saying, &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe because I don&#8217;t want to believe&#8221;. That&#8217;s Reid&#8217;s point. The paranormal obviously threatens your worldview and you don&#8217;t want a bar of it.</p>
<p>Similarly, socialists don&#8217;t believe the likes of ACT, not because it doesn&#8217;t make sense, but because it threatens their emotional belief in the power of the state. </p>
<p>And conservatives don&#8217;t believe in psychics because they&#8217;re brought up to believe in another brand of paranormality called God.</p>
<p>As for the laws of physics, have they not been updated at various times as new information comes along?</p>
<p>I think the only certainty in the world is that we cannot possibly exist. </p>
<p>(Well, how can we? Whatever created us must first have been created by something else, and so on, making it impossible for the first thing to have been created.)</p>
<p>I rather like the theory that God is a CD-ROM, with everything that&#8217;s ever going to happen having already happened. But who or what burned it?</p>
<p>How can we be sure of anything (except that Winston Peters is toast)?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Smaller</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482375</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Smaller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;is like believing David Copperfield really can cast magical spells because of his TV show.&quot;

He is a 20th level Mage. Of course he can cast spells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;is like believing David Copperfield really can cast magical spells because of his TV show.&#8221;</p>
<p>He is a 20th level Mage. Of course he can cast spells.</p>
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		<title>By: Falafulu Fisi</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482366</link>
		<dc:creator>Falafulu Fisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to comment on a blog post at New Zealand Reality TV website last year (2007) on Sensing Murder and the blog owner/s posted my comment as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nzrealitytv.com/2007/09/physicist-says-psychics-are-bunk.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;guess post&lt;/a&gt; (see link).  Psychics can be rejected on philosophical ground/s alone. It can be rejected on the basis of the laws of physics. It can be rejected based on statistical evidence alone. 

There are millions of psychic followers around the world, not because it works but because there are suckers everywhere.

Psychics who are genuinely believe their abilities are delusional, simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to comment on a blog post at New Zealand Reality TV website last year (2007) on Sensing Murder and the blog owner/s posted my comment as a <a href="http://www.nzrealitytv.com/2007/09/physicist-says-psychics-are-bunk.html" rel="nofollow">guess post</a> (see link).  Psychics can be rejected on philosophical ground/s alone. It can be rejected on the basis of the laws of physics. It can be rejected based on statistical evidence alone. </p>
<p>There are millions of psychic followers around the world, not because it works but because there are suckers everywhere.</p>
<p>Psychics who are genuinely believe their abilities are delusional, simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: goodgod</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482355</link>
		<dc:creator>goodgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, the traits, manner and body language expressed by sensing murder psychics and other such people matches those of compulsive liars and people on the verge of an emotional crisis or psychological breakdown.  Now that&#039;s not to say that there may be some people out there who really can see into past events they weren&#039;t involved with with accuracy.  But there are more frauds out there than true real life examples and the problem is that any one fitting the above discription also thinks they&#039;re suddenly psychic.  Go back through the pasts of &quot;famous&quot; psychics and inspect their traumatic experiences.  Is it really a co-incidence that they appear to displaying some kind of variation on post traumatic stress disorder?  
As far as I can tell, the real examples of psychic ability require a certain amount of intelligence as well as feeling.  In these cases, the prompts from the &quot;spirits&quot; are symbolic, seemingly unrelated events, that apparently happen outside of the person reading them - without attendant emotion.  I do not believe the dead, or the great spirit in the sky, speaks in english to an on-screen medium or always uses emotion as a measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, the traits, manner and body language expressed by sensing murder psychics and other such people matches those of compulsive liars and people on the verge of an emotional crisis or psychological breakdown.  Now that&#8217;s not to say that there may be some people out there who really can see into past events they weren&#8217;t involved with with accuracy.  But there are more frauds out there than true real life examples and the problem is that any one fitting the above discription also thinks they&#8217;re suddenly psychic.  Go back through the pasts of &#8220;famous&#8221; psychics and inspect their traumatic experiences.  Is it really a co-incidence that they appear to displaying some kind of variation on post traumatic stress disorder?<br />
As far as I can tell, the real examples of psychic ability require a certain amount of intelligence as well as feeling.  In these cases, the prompts from the &#8220;spirits&#8221; are symbolic, seemingly unrelated events, that apparently happen outside of the person reading them &#8211; without attendant emotion.  I do not believe the dead, or the great spirit in the sky, speaks in english to an on-screen medium or always uses emotion as a measure.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482350</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine how crap they must be at hide and seek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine how crap they must be at hide and seek.</p>
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		<title>By: reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/09/sensing_murder.html#comment-482345</link>
		<dc:creator>reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeping an open mind is key to everything in life. Unfortunately, when considering a proposition that forces abutment against one&#039;s world view, most people assume the safest position, which is understandable.

It&#039;s unfortunate since it closes your mind to alternatives. The roots of the &#039;safe position&#039; lie in those emotions that create resistance to consider alternatives and unless you understand those emotions in yourself you&#039;ll be forever bound to pick at the edges and never penetrate to the root.

It leads to irrational thinking such as seen, for example, in those lefties that profess Hulun&#039;s position on Winston is reasonable.

Sometimes conservatives label such people as &#039;useful idiots.&#039; Ever thought about looking in the mirror?

Personally, I try never to reach a conclusion, since once you do that, subconsciously you reject the evidence that doesn&#039;t support it and hold fast to that which does. I have positions, but they are always open to change. I have found that the more I strive to keep those channels open, the better I become at predicting and understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeping an open mind is key to everything in life. Unfortunately, when considering a proposition that forces abutment against one&#8217;s world view, most people assume the safest position, which is understandable.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s unfortunate since it closes your mind to alternatives. The roots of the &#8217;safe position&#8217; lie in those emotions that create resistance to consider alternatives and unless you understand those emotions in yourself you&#8217;ll be forever bound to pick at the edges and never penetrate to the root.</p>
<p>It leads to irrational thinking such as seen, for example, in those lefties that profess Hulun&#8217;s position on Winston is reasonable.</p>
<p>Sometimes conservatives label such people as &#8216;useful idiots.&#8217; Ever thought about looking in the mirror?</p>
<p>Personally, I try never to reach a conclusion, since once you do that, subconsciously you reject the evidence that doesn&#8217;t support it and hold fast to that which does. I have positions, but they are always open to change. I have found that the more I strive to keep those channels open, the better I become at predicting and understanding.</p>
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