Trust
I got this from Whale Oil. I do not normally cover web surveys as they are unscientific with a self selecting response base.
However the sheer number of people who voted is noteworthty. Over 30,000 must be some record?
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September 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
the 9th floor has just instructed its staff, along with sonic, to start voting. check back in 20 mins
September 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Shit! A record indeed.
September 15th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
I just cant wait to see how our resident trolls are going to spin this.
September 15th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
They could’ve at least added:
‘neither of the above’
THAT would’ve been a good poll.
Facebook group: ‘I bet I can find 1000 people who distrust both National AND Labour’ Heh.
September 15th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Just to play devils advocate – I wonder how many are from duplicate IP addresses?
September 15th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
They could’ve at least added:
‘neither of the above’
THAT would’ve been a good poll.
Or those people could just not vote. Any other option is irelevant as no one else has the chance to be the Prime Minister after the election.
September 15th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I much prefer your policy of not commenting on web surveys. 30,000 self-selected people giving us their views still doesn’t tell us anything meaningful.
September 15th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Check out the TV3 website,- If the poll running there were scientific I’m sure Rodney would be smiling
September 15th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Bevan, fair points but in my view the poll was more about measuring trust. Would’ve been interesting to know if say, 10,000/25% of respondents thought they were both untrustworthy, but this view is excluded. Ah well!
September 15th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
To be fair to Clark that was taken over the weekend so most of her loyal union and govt employees would not have been in the office to vote.
September 15th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Indeed, unscientific. But interestingly the 80/20 split isn’t that far off the prediction markets for the PM trade.
September 15th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
The right is every bit as capable of spamming public polls as the left, and ignoring completely what I think on their trustworthiness I find it very hard to believe that this in any way resembles New Zealand at large, something which I’m pretty sure even the most ardent National Party supporter would concede.
While there is no doubt that Clark’s credibility has suffered of late, Key hasn’t come out pure lily white and innocent looking either. I’m inclined to think he may well be trusted more by the voting public at the moment, but certainly not by that margin.
September 15th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
One could be guaranteed that the Stuff Spin specialists would be the first to rush along with glee and tell Trevor Mallard that the poll had been rigged and they had traced it backed to either a National Party staffer or the EB !!!!
John Key wants to now continue to run the line at every possible opportunity that Helen Clark is right that the election is all about trust and it boils down very simply to a simple issue of whether the New Zealand public trust Clark or Key
and I say look at the contradictions that abound on a whole host of issues like Winston, Glenngate, Pledge card, Speeding Gate, EmissionsGate etc etc etc.
Her political smarts have gone – and H2 has lost her/its marbles as well- Honestly what a dumb dumb dumb thing for her to pick trust as the issue to fight the election on ,its that she is by far the weakest on of everything!!!!!
A vote for Winston First is a vote for Labour!!
A vote for Labour is a vote for Winston First!!
September 15th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Somewhere on the ninth floor: slapping sound of palm on forehead…DOH!
September 15th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
I believe this poll simply reflects that it ran over the weekend outside normal Public Service hours so the usual “independant bloggers” were not on deck to stack it.
September 15th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Helen Clark, fighting an election on trust.
Like Mao standing on a Capitalist ticket,
Stalin standing on free speech,
Mugabe standing on human rights
Helen wants to stand on trust.
One will return to the blogosphere as soon as one has stopped pissing ones self with laughter.
September 15th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
As thrilled as I would be to have a right wing Government led by John Key, I think that online polls are a little biased toward the Right.
My reasoning is as follows:
1. Right wing people are both more intelligent and harder working than lefties, as a general rule
2. Hard working and intelligent people earn more money than idiots and slackers
3. Money buys computers and interwebs connections
4. People with computers and internet connections vote on internet polls
{ Side note:
The notable exceptions are those taxpayer-funded paragons of truth and virtue, those champions of all that is good, exposers of the VRWC (Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy) and Gladiators against injustice: The Left-Wing Bloggers!
(All Hail Philu and His Mighty Double Full-Stops of Veracity!)
(/sarcasm) }
September 15th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Yep, I voted on this. Sure the results could have been spammed…..who cares, it pretty fairly reflects public opinion. And I’m speaking from a Labour held electorate.
September 15th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
“…I think that online polls are a little biased toward the Right.” Christopher
Don’t hold back mate! But in this, I think your wrong to some extent, the “idiots and slackers” tend to be as technologically savvy as the rest of us. Many of them dominate the halls & classrooms at polytech’s and uni’s throughout the country…..free internet accounts!!
September 15th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Consider this. You’re a shareholder about to vote for the Chairmans position of four years. Would you vote for someone who hasnt ruled out leaving halfway through that term?
No, you wouldnt trust them to do the job.
Well, on Bill Ralstons blog, apparently Clark wont say she will commit to stay for the full term if she gets in again.
How could you trust the running of the country to someone who intends to leave?
September 15th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Look people; this “Trust” spin would seem like a smart move, and probably the only move that the gov’ment can make in this campaign. In my opinion, Clark will be pissing into the wind with this especially if she concentrates most of the attacks on Key himself.
If she does that she will look like the nasty piece of work that she really is. On the other hand, if she concentrates on National as a whole (secret agendas, underhand deals a la the EB, etc.) Labour could make up some ground. Trust me people (fuck, did I say that LOL) there are so many idiots who unquestioningly agree with all she says.
September 15th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
All online polls are crap.
September 15th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Captain Crab, maybe that works for Labour voters who really don’t want to vote National, but are now a bit wary of Clark.
September 15th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
“Somewhere on the ninth floor: slapping sound of palm on forehead…DOH!”
Yeah well maybe, but don’t forget these people are ruthless, cunning, and obsessed with political power. Sure, they’re stupid, but not that stupid and not in that way. There’s got to be some mysterious justification for the otherwise inexplicable decision to run on “trust”.
Don’t forget the Labour Party’s ace card is that they own the mainstream media. Don’t forget the strategy they used to attack Don Brash. Cook up some false charges and get their stinking media lackies to run with it. They never compete on ideas, and they’re not going to do it this time. They’ve got something, I dunno what, ready to unload on John Key.
They’ll come up with some Stalinist style false allegation, and get their slimy media lackies to megaphone it, and wham bam.. game over. Well. Maybe. That’s what they’re cooking up anyway. That’s why they went for “trust”. I reckon.
Plus it gives Labour’s brain dead true believers an easy out. When they’re asked by rational and intelligent people why they still support Klark, they don’t have to come up with any real reason. They just parrot the line- “Oh, I just don’t trust John Key”..
Don’t worry, the bastards have done polling on this. However strange real people (NZ’s working middle class) see it, the manipulative and desperate loons on the left still regard it as their best angle.
September 15th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
1. Right wing people are both more intelligent and harder working than lefties, as a general rule
2. Hard working and intelligent people earn more money than idiots and slackers
3. Money buys computers and interwebs connections
4. People with computers and internet connections vote on internet polls
Mate, all true, but you’ve forgotten that useless left wing pricks can get a grant from WINZ for their computer, and they have more time on their hands as a consequence of not having to go to work.
September 15th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
“Mate, all true, but you’ve forgotten that useless left wing pricks can get a grant from WINZ for their computer, and they have more time on their hands as a consequence of not having to go to work.”
I think you have a point.
This is good because it means that maybe that poll is more reflective of NZ society, but bad because it means that the stinking, dole-bludging drug addicts who voted in the poll were using my money to do it.
Adding my voice to those who’ve already said this: If this country hasn’t turned its arse around by the time I graduate, I’m taking my degrees and moving overseas.
(Then, when I’ve made my billions, I’ll come back and give money to politicians for political appointments, while they dodge donations returns and… oops, dammit, sorry Winston, nearly revealed the Master Plan there!)
September 15th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
If this country hasn’t turned its arse around by the time I graduate, I’m taking my degrees and moving overseas.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. After reading your comments I’m pretty sure we’ll all be better off without you.
September 15th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
“After reading your comments I’m pretty sure we’ll all be better off without you.”
Yeah, just what “we” need. All the educated to go somewhere else. It don’t matter a damn does it, as long as the looters and totalitarians can cling to power.
When you [readers] see the thirty percent still supporting Labour, and you ask yourself how dumb are these people and who are they, well there’s one. Right above. Read it and wonder.
September 15th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
I think Aunty Helloon is confused with the words trust and rust.
September 15th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Well, I know that we’ll all be better off without you, Redbaiter.
Yeah, it’s just what “we” need. All the trumped-up, self-important jerks that sneer down at those who haven’t had the chance to live the life they are lucky to lead. The absolute worst are the so-called “educated people” who decide that, regardless of the actual statistics, they’re paying too much tax, beneficiary numbers are too high and have been whipped up into such a froth that they disregard facts and common sense to come and comment here at Kiwiblog.
September 15th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Talking about “facts” Chris Sin, what does Winston have over the Supreme Leader with the psychotic rusty laugh?
September 15th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
And on TV One news a poll against the PM for not sacking Winnie, but wait
“Peters to stay unless evidence ‘devastating’
By MAGGIE TAIT | 06:00PM
Prime Minister Helen Clark indicated today that unless there was “devastating” evidence at tomorrow’s privileges committee hearing Winston Peters will not be sacked.”
Yes there is a lot of trust going on here
September 15th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Chris S
Are you really that mind numbingly stupid (actually don’t answer that, it is clear that you are) that you really believe all right wing voters originally come from the “right side if the tracks”?
Many of the “educated people” you seem to despise are actually the Chardonnay socialist wankers who are rich and insulated enough from the real world to vote Labour or the Greens because it seems like such a “nice” thing to do.
I know it destroys your classic left wing stereotype but many of us on the right had to scrap and fight our way to what wankers like you call “middle class”.
The hardest battle many have (certainly it was for me) was the insistence of social workers and numerous fucking hand wringers and do gooders who insisted that there was nothing we could do to better our lives and that we should be happy with whatever a Labour govt could do for us, there are legions of these wankers who will tell you how to get a hand out from the tax payer yet when you ask them how one goes about getting a hand UP they look at you as if you are a traitor to your class.
An old fashioned Labour govt would look at ways of helping people out of the “lower classes” yet this lot (including the Greens) are not interested in that at all, they want to keep the poor where they are as they can then be assured of their vote, they toss a bit of money at them once in a while and then scare the hell out of them every three years with bullshit and lies about what the nasty Nat’s might do to them.
I suspect you have no fucking idea what it is like too be poor, you sure as hell have no fucking idea what it is that the so called “poor” actually want or need.
September 15th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
“All the trumped-up, self-important jerks that sneer down at those who haven’t had the chance to live the life they are lucky to lead.”
Sorry, tell me again who it is that “hasn’t had the chance” to access NZ’s free public education system and interest-free tertiary student loan scheme? If anyone has been held back from improving themselves in this country, surely it must be the capitalists who want to let you keep your own money, rather than the socialists who want to you become a state-dependent party loyalist?
“The absolute worst are the so-called “educated people” who decide that, regardless of the actual statistics, they’re paying too much tax, beneficiary numbers are too high and have been whipped up into such a froth that they disregard facts and common sense to come and comment here at Kiwiblog.”
I’m glad I’m only “so-called educated” rather than actually educated, otherwise I might be lumped in with all those doctors, scientists and other capitalist arseholes. You know, the ones who heal you when you’re sick and invent all manner of things which improve your life, not to mention pay the tax which keeps beneficiaries (who are few in number, and all good, honest, clean people, obviously) from having to lower themselves by actually pulling their weight.
Chris S, here’s a little personal message for you, from my heart to yours: fuck you, you socialist wanker.
September 15th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Socialist academics should be publicly hung on a trusty tree.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Chris S, here’s a little personal message for you, from my heart to yours: fuck you, you socialist wanker.
To paraphrase the endorsments on US political advertisements….
My name is Bevan and I approve of this message
September 15th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
The biggest fear I have this election is that there are enough dumb arses like ph…luu…. and the like who are so thick to believe aunty helens lies and fear mongering, to allow labour to win by default again.
As long as we remember to say the following every day and say it to as many people as possible, NZ may have a decent future. I have it as my signature on every email I send.
A vote for Winston First is a vote for Labour!!
A vote for Labour is a vote for Winston First!!
September 15th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
How many times have we had these same arguements with the new left wing tosser on the block?
All the evil right wing bloggers come out and prove they actually come from more disadvantaged backgrounds than people like Chris S who started throwing the accusations in the first place.
Chris S, Helen is a great example of a good poor left wing girl making good aye?
September 15th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
There are many examples of Helen betraying the trust of the electorate. The EFA, the Anti Smacking Bill, and lately the Winston Donation affair are the 3 biggest. Some of the voters will be prepared to accept one or two of these, but the more often you betray the trust of those who put you in power, the more people will turn against you.
I think this is what we are seeing now, in that those most disaffected are becoming the more vocal, and it will take a monumental effort on the part of Clark and Labour or a monumental cock-up by Key or National to reverse this trend.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Helens motto
Keep them dumb and brown and they’ll always vote Labour!
Thats why she pissed at Key talking his way around the Otara markets. Imagine that, a poor brown person becoming inspired, getting a career and then voting conservative.
September 15th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
I still think it was a good move by Key to visit the markets early on. Clark can’t be seen to be following Key.
I’m also willing to bet that he wasn’t taking orders for KFC!
September 15th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
INTEGRITY & TRUST
Helen Clark would know as much about integrity as she knows about breast feeding.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
“I do not normally cover web surveys as they are unscientific with a self selecting response base.”
Unless of course I like the results and it gives me a chance to plug my mate Cameron’s train wreck of a blog.
Oh and just a little side point David, how can you claim to run a serious blog when you let comments like
“Socialist academics should be publicly hung on a trusty tree.”
Stay up.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Nice one sonic, always ready to back stab. You are one sick unit sonic. Go back to Scotland !!
September 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
“..Are you really that mind numbingly stupid (actually don’t answer that, it is clear that you are) that you really believe all right wing voters originally come from the “right side if the tracks”?..”
of course they do..most of them..
and those few that aren’t..but vote for the right..are just mindnumbingly stupid/in denial..
in fact..a ‘poor rightie’ is the benchmark of abject stupidity..
..sorta like a turkey voting for thanksgiving..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 15th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
I think this poll is worth blogging on. Not beacuse of the distribution of votes (which the Left have previously shown us can be so easily maipulated), but because of the sheer volume of respondents.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
You gotta love Helen’s “virginal white” appearance on her election billboards.
As if a white jacket would erase from our memories the stain on our democracy left by this nasty piece of work!
September 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
philu: so what would that make a rich leftie? Michael Moore? Al Gore?
Or then again, maybe people vote for what they think is good for the country, rather than what they think is personally good for them. Is that not what you do?
September 15th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
The white jacket is the same colour as the surrender flag. Maybe aunty knows she has lost already?
September 15th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
And the standard response by the left is to tell people to leave the country if they don’t like being part of this sick Socialist experiment… Chris S you got to get new lines and be more tolerant of the majority who obviously don’t agree with you.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
if we are talking billboards..
go to tv3/campbell..and watch him and an advertising dude falling over laughing at how bad nationals’ billboards are…
..the green party ones were voted the best..by a country mile..
..y’know..that first dire billboard was the first indication how bad/whacked-out your campaign is..
..as the ad guy put it..
..’national seem determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory..’
phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 15th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Quoting you is “backstabbing” you?
Perhaps you should think twice about what you write.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Sonic:
‘Oh and just a little side point David, how can you claim to run a serious blog when you let comments like
“Socialist academics should be publicly hung on a trusty tree.”
Stay up.’
Wow that comment’s been up a whole three hours. Did you consider maybe David hasn’t logged on in that time ? Hasn’t had time to read every single comment ? I’m sure you have nothing else to do with your time but DPF probably does.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
the standard response by the left is to tell people to leave the country if they don’t like being part of this sick Socialist experiment…”
Well when you guys keep threatening to leave (or in your case actually doing it) what do you expect us to do. Cry out that we miss you?
Poor Clint, so dumb he makes the rest of his Tory chums look good.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
sonic at least I don’t support a deluded-fraudulent Prime Minister that puts altered photos making her look years younger on campaign billboards. How can anybody trust such a dishonest women ( besides yourself and the drug addiction train wreck phool)!!
September 15th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Well perhaps I missed you all condemning it put it away, care to point us to your own post pointing out that threats of violence are unacceptable?
September 15th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
“David, how can you claim to run a serious blog”
Nobody is forcing you to come here. Maybe you should hang out at Policy.net with the rest of the “serious” types. Bryan (Blog Producer) Spondre will look after you.
September 15th, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Perhaps this isn’t my blog and it’s not up to me to decide what stays and what goes ?
September 15th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
sonic are you wanting me to get more demerits for my comment?
September 15th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Helen’s white jacket and the “The symbolism of colour (reference Wiki)
On the Colour White:
Innocence (Unless the Privileges Committee say otherwise)
Humility (Give me a break!)
Coldness (Yes definitely!)
Criticism (The barbs are already plain to see)
Surrender (Thanks holysheet for the reminder)
Cowardice (Scared of Winston perhaps?)
Fearfulness (Afraid of losing her job)
Unimaginative (No solutions from this leader)
Death (The Labour Party on election day?)
Empty (Empty promises)
Hope (hope the media don’t find any more dirt)
Unfriendly (you think?)
Quite a good choice all in all…
September 15th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
Bank of America buys Merrill Lynch
so what is john Key worth now?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
less than what he was a while ago..
..and set to lose more..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 15th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
and does key need to alter his c.v..?
‘used to work for that company that’s gone down the gurgler..it wasn’t my fault..!’..
phil(whoar.co.nz)
September 15th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
To most of the unenrolled voters, I’d say don’t bother. Your vote will most likely be uninformed anyway.
Helen Clark photoshopped? If that woman could squeeze out a genuine smile, her age would not really matter. What is ugly is her bitter and venomous nature .
Agreed, Key does look a little goofy in maintaining a human approach to her mania, but I believe it will serve him well in the coming weeks. Even Clark’s most ardent supporters will be forced to think of someone’s mad great-aunt who was finally “put away” in the family’s best interests.
Too strong? Don’t think so.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:18 am
philu “and does key need to alter his c.v..?
‘used to work for that company that’s gone down the gurgler..it wasn’t my fault..!’..”
Then it would be longer than yours which only requires the first three words.
September 16th, 2008 at 12:23 am
I guess it all depends upon what you trust Labour to do.
Give us wonderful MPs like T. Field, and D. Benson – Pope.
Lie about the anti smacking bill.
Attack free speech with the EFA.
Slow down the productive sector with the ETS.
Play the person, not the ball.
Use adhominen attacks.
Stick with NZ First regardless.
That kind of trust we can do without.
September 16th, 2008 at 3:05 am
suggest everyone who is sick of sonic and philu make your feelings known to people who can do something about them
September 16th, 2008 at 5:07 am
No one Trusts Helen Clark. All her actions provide ample proof that you can’t trust her. She has no integrity.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Hey Phul
Just suppose that your forecast of doom and despair does come to fruition, who the fuck do you think is going to pay for your lifestyle then?
September 16th, 2008 at 8:16 am
I’m an academic d4j, going to hang me from this tree?
Just checking.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Collateral damage. I’ll get the rope.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Murray
You traitor, how on earth can you be an academic and not be a pinko?
Take yourself outside and give yourself a bloody good thrashing.
September 16th, 2008 at 8:41 am
I’m subverting the yoof from the inside bb, its suprisingly easy. They never saw me coming.
Bring it Doc, I’ve got more artillery than than the army. (And mine works)
September 16th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Since this thread was begun the numbers have shifted.
John Key now has 84.1% of the vote (37087)
Helen Clark has 15.9% (7025)
Not a scientific poll. But entertaining never-the-less, and isn’t that (at least) half the reason we come to this blog? For entertainment?