12 Questions

October 30th, 2008 at 8:00 am by David Farrar
  1. Did Helen not notice her party president – the Labour Party Campaign Chair and Manager, was out of the country trying to dig up dirt on John Key from 20 years ago?
  2. Did no one notice he was absent from the daily campaign meetings he normally chairs?
  3. Why were taxpayer funded members of Labour’s Parliamentary Research Unit also in Australia with trying to smear John Key?
  4. Who paid for all their travel?
  5. Does the head of the research unit still report unofficially to Heather Simpson?
  6. Is the Batman who posted documents anonymously to Dominion Post reporters the same Batman who is an author on and posted on the earlier this month?
  7. Why did The Standard delete the previous post from Batman?
  8. Does this not link The Standard to Mike Williams and the Labour Parliamentary Research Unit?
  9. Is it not time that Labour fronted up and revealed how many of the 15 Standard authors are parliamentary and ministerial staffers?
  10. Who from Labour told Winston about the smear so he could refer to it on Alt TV?
  11. Doesn’t it undermine Helen’s claim she had nothing to do with it, when her parliamentary strategist is trying to beat it up?
  12. Is Helen just pretending she knew nothing about the attempted smear, or has she lost control of her party, her party president and her own research unit?
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107 Responses to “12 Questions”

  1. dave strings (608 comments) says:

    If Helen doesn’t bless it, it doesn’t happen. Ergo, she knew all about it. Funnily enough, so did a certain Labour Party pit-bull, who was talking about it last week, telling ‘friends’ what was coming was going to wreck the National campaign.
    On the topic of taxpayer funding. Isn’t it now becoming normal for Parties to have bloggers on staff? Given Frog’s salutation regarding the corridors of power, and the (low) standard from Labour, perhaps you should offer to go back on the teat (note correct spelling – pronunciation in the vernacular is correct though) David and become the official blog of the National Party that doesn’t represent the Party’s views (exactly, some of the time, when it’s embarrassing).

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  2. DamnedAngry (242 comments) says:

    So lame when compared to Ian Wishart’s revelations about Shane Jones cash for passports saga! I mean if that hardly caused a ripple, then this dirtmongering Liarbor effort is less than a dog’s fart, but probably cost tens of thousands in travel and expenses to unearth!

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  3. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Champagne socialist bludgers staffing the Labour Parliamentary Research Unit whilst ‘blogging’ the substandard?!?

    Surely Hulun Klarks gummint wouldn’t stoop that low…

    Oh hangon, we know they do.

    Party Vote National.

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  4. Spam (586 comments) says:

    The story is still at the standard, but now carries some sort of message that ‘batman’ is not associated with them.

    So why, as shown in your google cache, did they give him / her an FTP directory?

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  5. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Another latte and roll your own whilst hissing at effigies of John Key.

    Lame fucktards.

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  6. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    was it Mike Williams last ditch attempt to redeem himself to dear leader, like what did he have to lose?

    – and thats if you dont believe Clarks fingerprints were all over it – ha!

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  7. Rakaia George (313 comments) says:

    Question 8.

    Putting together the facts that a) the Stranded post includes the line “It remains to be seen whether Key signed off on the deal” and b) according to the Harold the signature was Labour’s “smoking gun” I’d say case proven to civil standards at least.

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  8. g_ (28 comments) says:

    Everyone knows the answer to those questions, the problem is getting our left wing mainstream media to actually report the facts.

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  9. Spam (586 comments) says:

    Reading the thread at the standard, they are now trying to link Key with Andrew Krieger, who instigated a run on the New Zealand dollar that caused it to devalue 10%.

    The basic attack line is that due to the timing, he was either committing fraud for Equiticorp, or he was involved in a scam to devalue the NZ dollar, shortly before he caused the government to sell the trains under valuation, which if I recall correctly was only a few decades after he was seen running away from the grassy knoll.

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  10. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,663 comments) says:

    Spam, that will be Tumeke’s ‘new’ neutron bomb for next week. It seems these Labour people are all ‘Rons.’ Pissed as newt Rons.

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  11. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    I hear Key turned a few current Labour MP’s gay as well.

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  12. Rod (236 comments) says:

    “instigated a run on the New Zealand dollar that caused it to devalue 10%”

    And whose policies have just dropped the NZD a helluva a lot more than 10%?

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  13. Patrick Starr (3,675 comments) says:

    which one’s weren’t?

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  14. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    Actual Quotes From TV3 Last Night

    “Helen Clark denies this is bombshell waiting to be dropped by Labour” TV3 Reporter Scott Campbell

    “I know he believes there are questions to answer (I guess she means Mike Williams or Trevor Mallard)
    but that would mean nothing if a major paper didn’t think there were questions to answer” Helen Clark

    “Just for the fact that Mike Williams actually showed the Herald these documents , somewhat contradicts
    Helen Clark’s story that she had nothing to do with this and Labour had nothing to do with this” TV3 Reporter Scott Campbell

    Other Lies Yesterday
    Helen Clark told media that she had stood down Winston Peters
    NewstalkZB’s Larry Williams asked Winston Peters was that correct and he said “no” (it was radio not sure if he had his sign with him at the time) he had stood himself down
    He also made a reference to paperwork that would prove this.

    These liars cannot be allowed to steal our democracy out from under the NZ public on November 8.

    I am sure like the terrorists that this will only be a small bomb, to draw the crowds so that they can
    release an even larger one closer to the election.

    Until then, let’s be all over them and dissect their lies line by line, word by word if we have too whatever it takes to elect
    an honest government.

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  15. Gooner (995 comments) says:

    Queston 13: Who paid for Clinton Smith to fly to Auckland and search the share registries of Fletcher Challenge, Contact Energy and others?

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  16. Fletch (5,715 comments) says:

    has she lost control of her party, her party president and her own research unit?

    She’s lost any self-control. She knows she’s on the ropes and is thrashing out wildly now, desperate to retain control.

    Helen: give it up. If you can’t run a campaign based upon the things you’re going to do for the country and it’s citizens – how you’re going to make this land a better place – but persist in a campaign of trying to smear the other candidate then you should have got out a long time ago and you’re not fit to be our PM. I’m sorry, but go; we don’t want you.

    Always remember: you work for US; we don’t work for YOU. I hope come election day, the voting public says “YOU’RE FIRED!” Pack up your things and get out.

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  17. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,785 comments) says:

    I think Hels and Labour have lost the plot.

    Way to lose an election, big time.

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  18. Bob (442 comments) says:

    Labour doesn’t seem to be learning. These attempts to smear Key are in fact working against Labour because ordinary people in the street don’t like them. Helen shouldn’t attack Key personally unless she has some real evidence of wrongdoing – unless she deliberately wants to lose.

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  19. wreck1080 (3,520 comments) says:

    Did you read what John Armstrong wrote on the front page of the Herald…

    “John Key has been blindsided by something from his past. It has happened at the exact same stage of the election campaign that Don Brash came a cropper in 2005 – nine days out from polling day when voters are firming up their choices.”

    Is this John Armstrong a total f**kwit? This is a party political broadcast, not a well written opinion.

    NZ is a small country, just about everyone knows someone who knows someone .

    John Armstrong, you are a wanker and should f*ck off to Cuba where you obviously belong.

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  20. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    I agree wreck1080

    I wonder how The Herald feels at being set up by Labour like this,
    pretty humiliated I’ll bet. Although I understand it was
    their journalists who woke up to the truth before they
    swallowed Labour’s line completely.

    But I agree regarding John Armstrong’s piece
    Talk about counting your chickens before they are hatched!

    Contact John Armstrong at john_armstrong@nzherald.co.nz

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  21. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Sounds like the Standard and Labour are awfully close to libel.

    You don’t want to make accusations that are untrue and the SFO have made clear are untrue and you can’t prove, do you?

    Another drop of the ball by the research team.

    H1 and H2 must be incandescent.

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  22. RedRock (26 comments) says:

    Given Labour are using this during the election campaign, does the cost of Mike Williams going to Melbourne count towards their election spending limits?

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  23. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    The Substandard are backpeddaling furiously and incompetently (as usual).

    I have been banned again for suggetsing Mike Williams was fishing for another job with AU Labor.

    (well offically I have been put in moderation for using an email address in place of a user name whilst posting – Lyn ‘line up my pencils by degree of sharpness’ Prentice doesnt have much imagination).

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  24. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    The one question I want to see answered tonight on the news…

    How much did Labour spend of the taxpayers money, sending
    their research squad to Australia, and how long have they been
    working on this?

    I want a dollar value.

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  25. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Armstrong is a twit. He was probably just duped by a fast talking bullshit artiste from the 9th floor.

    It does beg the question why he is a political editor if he is obviously so dim.

    [DPF: John incidentally is not the political editor, but neither is he dim or some of the other words people have used. Can I suggest people attack the story not the author - leave that to the left blogs]

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  26. Rod (236 comments) says:

    This quote from the Herald says to me how deeply committed Helen and the whole Party must have been to the success of this neutron bomb. He obviously just can’t believe they got it so wrong.
    And you can’t tell me that Helen is somehow not involved when Pete is so close to it.

    QUOTE:
    Labour minister and campaign strategist Pete Hodgson was more forthcoming: “Either [the Herald] have been misled or the Serious Fraud Office has been misled – I don’t know. If the SFO has been willingly misled, issues of perjury arise, but I’m a veterinarian, not a lawyer.”

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  27. mickysavage (786 comments) says:

    Another non story

    Shock horror, Labour is checking up on Key’s honesty and ability to lead. What do they discover?

    1. He did not tell the truth to the Herald about when he left Elders.
    2. It appears that he was not involved in the H fee transaction but his attempts to distance himself from the transaction resulted in him telling a little fib.
    3. He may have honestly made a mistake about when he left, who can say for sure.
    4. He does have this habit of fudging the truth when he is in a tight spot. There are numerous examples of this.

    This is another beat up. Some people are working under the premise that if you indignantly jump up and down enough about something that the story is not about you will then get a bit of sympathy and dilute the effect of the actual story.

    It would be good to get the debate back into where it really should be, like why would you trust your country to a money trader?

    [DPF: Oh dear how desperate you sound.]

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  28. coventry (307 comments) says:

    expat – was the email address allyourbaseisnowours@national.org.nz ?

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  29. Buggerlugs (1,609 comments) says:

    mickysavage – crawl back down your hole and continue licking helen’s bum. When it turns out taxpayers funded Williams’ duty free sojourn Clark will be in need of a friend like you, you bottom feeder (excuse the pun).

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  30. coventry (307 comments) says:

    mickysavage – you are a disgrace to that name, suggest you change it to something more appropriate, how about David Koresh – he had a rather blind faith that led to a path of destruction.

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  31. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    Rod

    I read the same quote and it made my skin crawl.
    Almost as much as when I watch our PM last night on TV3
    Feigning concern and disbelief at JK’s supposed actions
    She would have had to dig deep for those emotions.

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  32. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    it was really really offensive – max@gmail.com

    I can only think one of their editor in twits is actually called max, or perhaps I cut a little too close to the truth re: Mike Williams looking to jump ship.

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  33. NeillR (345 comments) says:

    Well i’m pleased if this is Labour’s “neutron bomb”. I was getting worried that they might actually have something on Key. Meanwhile the country continues to go down the toilet and Labour does nothing – don’t they realise that this inaction is what’s costing them the election?

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  34. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    Well Gee Mickey when you put it like that it makes me think.

    Trust a Money trader or Trust people who believe and practice and Maoist Doctrine, I’ll put my money with the money trader thanks.

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  35. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    I’ve satirised The VDS (Again) – It’s just getting easier – Like someone said ‘Anyone can do satire’ – but FFS this is like shooting fish in the proverbial!

    Lee – http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/

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  36. GerryandthePM (328 comments) says:

    Every day, on this blog, this “Random Quote” rolls by:

    It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

    — Voltaire

    Every day this Government demonstrates why that is so.

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  37. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Mike “Big M” (Monaco and Melbourne) Williams!

    LOL.

    With friends like that!

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  38. Adam (551 comments) says:

    Oh dear the neutron bomb has turned out to be a tom thumb fizzier, hilarious. Watching Helen Clarks screwed up face on TV last night denying she was pushing the story was another great moment in political sport. The only thing more pathetic is the idiots who are defending this so called bomb.

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  39. Turlough (18 comments) says:

    Question # 13

    Why are we not hearing that just befor the “H-Fee” was paid, and probably after it was conceived, Equiticorp’s Alan Hawkins gave $250,000 to pay for Labour’s re-election in 1987?

    This is significantly more in today’s terms than Owen Glenn’s recent $500,000 gift to Labour.

    It was as a result of Labour’s re-election, paid for with a number of such large contributions, that Helen Clark and Michael Cullen became ministers. It was the “wild west” economic conditions that that Labour government had created, that allowed all the financial shenanigans of which the Equiticorp/Elders IXL dealings were typical, to take place.

    Not only were Clark and Cullen the beneficiaries of this, but so were Goff, King and Mallard, all re-elected in that same election. Ruth Dyson, now also a minister, was on Labour’s Executive, as a member and then as vice-president and shortly to be president, at the time.

    This was the Labour governmment that was busy giving out knighthoods to some of the same corporate bosses who were doing so well out of Labour’s financial killing fields

    No wonder those same Ministers are today trying to divert media focus on to whether or not a 26 year old in one of Elder’s NZ subsidiaries paid for some dinner in Wellington at the time!

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  40. davidp (3,319 comments) says:

    Winston Peters should come out and refuse, under any circumstances, to work with Labour after the election. There are standards that, while low, even Peters must maintain. But Clark, Williams, and The Standard have fallen well below these standards.

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  41. Neil (525 comments) says:

    This squib “neutron bomb” was on the lips of Winston in the small party leaders debate. He talked about the impending Key scandal as blowing Key out of the water and making WP look like Mother Theresa. When I heard that I had two thoughts:-
    a.Winston and Helen are as one for a Labour govt.
    b. That the revelation would be a limp damp squib. All of Winston’s claims have always fallen well short of a “neutron bomb”.
    Of course Clark, that venal corrupt shadow of a PM, saw the wind blowing back yesterday and decided to leave poor old Mike “the idiot” Williams holding the baby of why he went to Melbourne.
    I believe this will strengthen to resolve of those people saying “Time for a Change” and also haunt people supporting NZ First and the Greens with the possibility of a Five Headed Hydra. National are now back on a roll.
    As I have said for ages, the result will mirror the August Poll numbers, a common feature in most countries.

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  42. DamnedAngry (242 comments) says:

    Who’s game enough to hang an effigy of a witch from their roof, with Helen’s ugly face and giant wart on it?

    Please, someone…you’ll make the news for sure if you do ;)

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  43. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Labour have REALLY REALLY pissed off the entire countries journalists by trying to dupe them with the H-Fee story.

    Bye bye Labour.

    Labour trawls for Key ‘smear’

    ‘Not a scintilla of evidence’ linking Key to scandal

    By VERNON SMALL and ELISABETH SEXTON – The Dominion Post | Thursday, 30 October 2008

    ACCUSATIONS: National leader John Key is facing questions about his time at Elders Merchant finance.

    LATEST: Labour has been digging through John Key’s past in an attempt to link him to sham currency deals, in what National is labelling a desperate smear campaign.

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  44. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,785 comments) says:

    Hels looks very foolish regarding this lame beat up. More foolish than usual, which is an impressive feat.

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  45. Banana Llama (1,105 comments) says:

    Can you provide a link to that Expat? i am in need of a good laugh.

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  46. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,785 comments) says:

    DamnedAngry says at 9:34 am

    Who’s game enough to hang an effigy of a witch from their roof

    You would have to register as a third party first before you could do that thanks to the BS that is the EFA. Time to register has expired.

    Best to stick to using an effigy of Hels as your “Guy” on a bonfire this upcoming Guy Fawkes night. It would present perfect pictures for the evening news.

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  47. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    The Dom Post – Labour are lying toe rags.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/4743456a28435.html

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  48. NeillR (345 comments) says:

    Oops, beaten to the punch – a bit like Labour :D

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  49. mike12 (183 comments) says:

    Did the Herald pull the rug from Labour with its timing of the breaking news story last night?

    This one’s back fired on Helen big time – her lame excuse that it was newspaper story has been discredited by the Herald also who outed Williams and his reseachers trip to Aus.

    Bye bye hels

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  50. Colin (88 comments) says:

    Good point Turlough
    And further.
    Helen Clark is the ultimate political contortionist. She was an unreproving Minister in the government that produced the-much needed- Roger Douglas reforms, yet she manages to blacken his name to such an extent that National has rule him out of a future government to ensure it’s chances of electoral success.
    If Labour wants to bring up the 1980s, I say lets talk the 1980s, but lets not forget many more recent incidents that expose the current regime and its political handmaids as veritable “falsifiers of veracity”.

    PS. With apologies to their principal benefactor.

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  51. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    While over in the Herald they are a bit more restrained,

    > ‘Neutron bomb’ on Key proves fizzer for Govt

    With an incoherent ramble from Pete Hodgson (campaign strategist! you mean he does what H2 tells him to)

    > Labour minister and campaign strategist Pete Hodgson was more forthcoming: “Either [the Herald] have been misled or the Serious Fraud Office has been misled – I don’t know. If the SFO has been willingly misled, issues of perjury arise, but I’m a veterinarian, not a lawyer.”

    Oh my o my – Labour have really fucked up now! They have pissed off their mouthpieces.

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  52. wreck1080 (3,520 comments) says:

    DPF , you are saying an Author should not be judged by what they write. I disagree. Especially where the item is an opinion piece.

    John Armstrong wrote a scurrilous story attempting to link John Key to illegal activities where there is no evidence except some tenuous link to an old employer.

    I worked for ANZ once, and an employee stole some money while I worked there. Does that make me a thief? According to John Armstrong, the answer would be quite possibly.

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  53. william (47 comments) says:

    I see the following today from a story in the Dominion on the HFee deal…

    “In the end the government was also criticised for benefitting at the expense of Equiticorp creditors and shareholders by turning a blind eye to the H fee transaction.
    The government was ordered by the courts to pay $268m as its share of liability for the sale of NZ Steel.
    The judge at the time said the government “unjustly enriched” itself through the shonky deal.”

    I wonder if it is worth posting a picture, DPF, of any Government Cabinet ministers from this time, especially those with the initials HC?
    Surely if she “worked” for the same organisation that did a shonky deal she must have known about this…. hell, she might even have signed something to authorise it, as we know her propensity for signing work that isn’t hers :-)

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  54. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    David, his story was at best naive, and I still say it was a dim.

    IMO.

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  55. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    Question 13

    Is it wise for the Labour Party to attack the Leader of the Opposition over matters in the past when some may say (but I couldnt possibly comment) on the matter of the Prime Ministers (cough) domestic arrangements in the early 1970s when she (cough) co habited with a then future Governor General and what part those (cough) domestic arranagments may have played in the 1980s when the Prime Minister was a member of the cabinet at the time this person was apoointed Governor General

    And was the apppointment made for (cough) services rendered

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  56. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    BTW the co habitation is all a matter of public records and can be accessed from the electoral records of the time

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  57. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    gd – thats scurrilous.

    Do you have some photocopies of signatures you reckon you could fool some journo’s with that corroborate that theory?

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  58. burt (7,083 comments) says:

    I hear that Peter Davis has been checking all of his skirts to see if he can find any of John Key’s semen on them….

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  59. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,785 comments) says:

    Talking of media bias and the press lapping up any old BS:
    McCain Wins

    US hospitals inundated with “journalist”. Now there’s a thought.

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  60. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    Who is the governor general?

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  61. big bruv (12,319 comments) says:

    On a similar note, I have just contacted a mate of mine at a rather well known car rental business as I was looking to hire a couple of twelve seater vans for election day to ferry home those of us gathering to celebrate the demise of Klark and her corrupt Labour government.

    I was a bit pissed off to find that there are none available, I asked him where they are all going and he told me that one company or person had hired all 23 of them and that they were all being picked up from a South Auckland depot.

    Sounds like Mike Williams and the Labour party are going to drag every single South Aucklander out to the polls again this time around, I wonder who is going to pay for lunch this time seeing as Owen Glenn has fallen out with Labour?

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  62. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “Everyone knows the answer to those questions, the problem is getting our left wing mainstream media to actually report the facts.”

    If they weren’t so firmly in the pocket of Labour/ Klark, they would actually have come up with the questions themselves, as any real journalist would have. Just as they acted so completely for Labour by beating the non event of Don Brash’s meet with the Brethren into a key election issue, so will the bastards try to make a big deal out of these pissant allegations.

    It is incredible that the media have the damn gall to ask questions about this non event when (for just a couple of examples) they-

    1) failed for six months to ask Helen Klark what she knew of the $100,000 donation to NZ First.

    2) have completely downplayed the Labour Party’s/ Klark’s involvement in the donations scandals and allowed them to get away with lie after lie after lie

    3) Have also given mere token coverage to the case of the Chinese gangster bribing Labour party politicians to intervene in the matter of his NZ citizenship

    Any media that acted as above has a damn cheek running so enthusiastically with this pathetic beat up, and as they are running with it, they have absolutely no right not to expect allegations of bias.

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  63. david (2,482 comments) says:

    DPF – I have to agree with wreck1080.

    When the story is embellished with opinion, the author is the story. If the opinion is biased or just plain dumb, Armstrong deserves to be called on it. Equally when it is insightful and wise, he deserves applause.

    Just like Lockwood was criticised for his “unwise” comments the other day (however true they may have been), Armstrong needs to be extremely careful with his opinions this close to an election and at the very least ensure that tyere is a semblence of reasonableness about them before rushing into print.

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  64. gd (2,286 comments) says:

    expat Dame Catherine Tizard Mother of MP Judith Tizard and former husband of former MP and Cabinet Minister in the Kirk/Rowling administration.

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  65. david (2,482 comments) says:

    Interesting story bruv.

    How far does the EFA go in counting the costs of election day activities towards the limit?

    Any takers?

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  66. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    gd – I’m sure they were just friends and flatmates.

    I sure feel like an ice cold Tui around about now. You?

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  67. dime (8,745 comments) says:

    heres my quick take on part of this shite..

    Yesterday the herlad was basically bragging how mike williams had flown over to melbourne all by himself to review court docs.. like he was going above and beyond the call of duty…

    today labour and the herald realise people view that as BAD… so helen distances herself.

    these people are just out of touch!

    i bet helen thought today would be a lot of “yes, i sent mike williams to melbourne because we knew key was involved and the new zealand people need to know” blah blah

    in 2 weeks shes just gonna be sitting there thinking – what the hell went wrong?

    how long til she gets the boot from labour??

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  68. Chicken Little (793 comments) says:

    I see the Stranded has posted what passes for a retraction of their defamation of JK.

    Must be some sweaty bums on the 9th at the moment.

    Ha, suckers.

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  69. s.russell (1,486 comments) says:

    People who care about honesty and ethics will be outraged by Labour’s behaviour in this affair.

    Unfortunately none of these people support Labour anyway, so the only political effect will be to further damage National with unthinking people who have low standards, but who dislike rich crooks like the H-fee fraudsters.

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  70. double d (219 comments) says:

    classic HK strategy.

    fire out the muck ….. wait ……. if it sticks go in guns blazing

    if it doesnt ……….. distance herself.

    Not quite sure we believe you Hels when you say you had no involvement with this one….

    And doesnt it say it all – Pete Hodgson today – “what do Iknow im only a vet”

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  71. mattyroo (880 comments) says:

    DamnedAngry October 30th, 2008 at 9:34 am

    “Who’s game enough to hang an effigy of a witch from their roof, with Helen’s ugly face and giant wart on it?

    Please, someone…you’ll make the news for sure if you do ”

    Mate, If I was in NZ, I would climb to the top of the Harbour Bridge and hang one from one of the flagpoles!

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  72. casual watcher (289 comments) says:

    Dear Helen, I cannot tell you how overjoyed I am that you finally authorised use of the Neutron option. It has completely sealed the deal – National and John Key are now guaranteed to win the election with a clear majority and perhaps with as much as 55% of the vote. My family and I will forever be in your gratitude for taking this action – the option of moving overseas has been a real possibility for us and most of our friends up until yesterday afternoon. I love this country with a passion and do not want to leave it. The 8th Nov cannot get here soon enough and I am eagerly anticipating your graceless concession speech at around 10.30pm that night. Fuck right off Helen with your corrupt bunch of moronic cohorts !!

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  73. Murray (8,835 comments) says:

    Looks like mickey savage was the only coalition of the craweasles member who didn’t get the message to stay off this topic.

    You have to go to the meetings if you’re going to be a useful member of the party mickey. Helen will not be pleased.

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  74. GerryandthePM (328 comments) says:

    Pete Hodgson -

    …..but I’m a veterinarian, not a lawyer.

    Most vets get up to their armpits in bovine excrement every day of the year.

    You would think he would know it when he sees it.

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  75. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    ‘Esteemed’ political journalist once more peddles Labour Party PR as if it is a serious piece of investigative journalism. Ever eager to give Labour a well-needed boost in the polls pre-election, John breathlessly repeats propaganda without a ‘skerrick’ of informed support. Story doesn’t have legs because it is so one-eyed and partisan it is laughable. Again.
    Looks like it’s becoming more an more apparent why they call him ‘John Hamstrung’. And he gets paid How much?

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  76. clintheine (1,560 comments) says:

    I honestly think that despite these excellent questions David, the MSM will not ask the tough questions and the Labour activists will ride this wave of smugness and lies all the way to November 8.

    This is what happens when the left stay in power for too long – the lies and corruption has never been so bad in NZ ever.

    I am beginning to dislike NZ more and more every time these assholes get their views believed by the media/public. I am only thankful that I have been out of NZ for much of Labours rule.

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  77. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    How the VDS must be feeling right now…
    http://monkeyswithtypewriter.blogspot.com/

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  78. dime (8,745 comments) says:

    casual watcher – well said!

    and graceless she will be! hell, she was spiteful in victory!

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  79. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “I am beginning to dislike NZ more and more every time these assholes get their views believed by the media/public.”

    You’re not the only one who feels that way Clint. The corruption of the media/labour government political bloc is endemic. The left have their tentacles of power reaching into so many NZ cultural institutions. People are fighting it tho (David Farrar for example) and in the end the left will be defeated. Don’t lose heart.

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  80. Right of way is Way of Right (1,125 comments) says:

    Oh come on, the confusion from Labour is understandable.

    Nuetron Bomb sounds a lot like Nuetered Bum, and Mike Williams was involved!

    Can we also find out if Owen Glenn was in Sydney at the time as well??

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  81. Colin (88 comments) says:

    Clint and RB.
    The problem is due to a number of reasons
    1. Our State schooling system employs impractical socialists to turn out Labour voters.
    2. Since 2005 about 130,000 mainly National voters have used their initiative and left the country.
    3. These have been replaced with immigrants many who have been “conned” that they owe a debt to Labour.
    4. Middle Class welfare has “corrupted” the work ethic in National’s traditional constituency.
    5. A lazy MSM dominated by left leaning journalists distort coverage in favour of the Axis.

    This election IS the last chance to save NZ.
    If the Nats don’t win we WILL have passsed the point of no return.

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  82. peanut (139 comments) says:

    I agree, Redbaiter.

    The govt depts no longer look after tax payer dollars, and you wonder how many back handers are being dealt. Just recently, the ministry of social development gave a correctional facility contract to a contractor that was $2million above the lowest tender price. Their is excuse is that they felt “warm and fuzzy” with the contractor with the higher price. A few questions have to be asked…

    Does “warm and fuzzy” mean their back hander was pretty damned good?

    Why are they squandering $2million of our money and not giving the work to a local contractor who was 2mil less?

    The corruption has reached further than the beehive and govt depts are just as dirty. It is shameful and disgusting!!!

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  83. peanut (139 comments) says:

    Did anyone see Klark talking to some 6year old kids at a school, telling them that Labour is so caring that it gives their parents “working for families”?

    It made me sick!! She is starting the indoctrination on young kids????

    Also, I heard recently, Klark being described liked Hitler. Both could mesmerise the crowds with their rhetoric, and both had extremely evil intentions!!! Klark just needs the moustache.

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  84. Fairfacts Media (370 comments) says:

    One major issue is how much did Uncle Helen really know about the H-Fee bomb.
    Stuff gives a few clues.

    “In Miss Clark, Labour not only has the winner of the past three election campaigns, but a politician so experienced and so shrewd that she is serving as Labour’s chief strategist in this campaign.”

    So would she know her party president was out of the country digging dirt? Surely she communicates with the man? Stuff offers more detail.

    “Within Labour, the key campaign decisions are made by a strategy committee comprising Miss Clark, her deputy, Michael Cullen, chief of staff Heather Simpson, party president Mike Williams and MPs Annette King, Trevor Mallard, Pete Hodgson and Darren Hughes.
    In 1999 its members spoke daily on a morning conference call, but Mr Williams, now in his 44th election here and overseas, says the team is so experienced that is no longer necessary.
    It now meets once a week – on Monday nights in the Beehive – to plan the week ahead. Daily decision making is left in the hands of individuals, who communicate via telephone and text messages.”

    No Minister has more, including Fran O’Sullivan offering similar commentary.

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  85. Colin (88 comments) says:

    Fairfax Asked
    So would she know her party president was out of the country digging dirt? Surely she communicates with the man?

    Didn’t Owen Glenn tell us she rang Mike 3 times a day when he was on Glenn’s yacht?

    Helen’s has:
    1. Got her sticky mitts are all over this OR
    2. She has totally lost control of Her campaign.

    I know what option 95% of NZers would believe.

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  86. Lindsay Addie (1,105 comments) says:

    Helen’s now blaming the media:

    Meanwhile, Labour is furious at the way the story has panned out.

    It says it was the New Zealand Herald’s decision to run a story about the allegations, and though Labour Party president Mike Williams was involved, the Prime Minister has no plans whatsoever to attack Key based on this information.

    Williams has confirmed he travelled to Melbourne to trawl through court documents to investigate Key’s past. Williams says he began researching after an anonymous tip-off.

    The pressure is now on the Prime Minister to explain why her party president was trying to dig up dirt on Key. Helen clark is campaigning in Christchurch on Thursday and is distancing herself from the story.

    “I don’t know where the truth of this is. What I know is that senior media like the New Zealand Herald saw fit to raise it on their website and this morning are still running headlines that says ‘questions still to be answered’. I’m going to leave it there,” says Clark.

    Clark says Williams travelled to Melbourne at his own expense.

    From TVNZ:
    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/576182/2242637

    That woman has completely lost her marbles.

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  87. getstaffed (9,188 comments) says:

    Clark says Williams travelled to Melbourne at his own expense

    Tui. This means that his travel was clocked to his credit card under the impression that he would claim it (probably from the taxpayer, if not them, then the Labour party [almost the same thing]).

    Williams will be furious at being hung out like this. I wonder how much more snivelling loyalty he has… and how much it would take for him to go ferral?

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  88. Colin (88 comments) says:

    Bill English finishes off Labour chances with the business community.(From NZ Herald website)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/video.cfm?c_id=280&gal_objectid=10540101&gallery_id=103193

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  89. Redbaiter (13,197 comments) says:

    “It says it was the New Zealand Herald’s decision to run a story about the allegations, and though Labour Party president Mike Williams was involved, the Prime Minister has no plans whatsoever to attack Key based on this information.”

    This is a statement that implies Helen Klark can usually control what the Herald writes.

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  90. democracymum (660 comments) says:

    Lindsay

    Compare what Helen said today

    “I don’t know where the truth of this is. What I know is that senior media like the New Zealand Herald saw fit to raise it on their website and this morning are still running headlines that says ‘questions still to be answered’. I’m going to leave it there,” says Clark.

    To what TV3 said about her last night

    “… the fact that Mike Williams actually showed the Herald these documents , somewhat contradicts
    Helen Clark’s story that she had nothing to do with this and Labour had nothing to do with this”

    TV3 Reporter Scott Campbell

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  91. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    “Klark just needs the moustache.”

    Take a closer look.

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  92. Colin (88 comments) says:

    Bravo Bill English(From NZ Herald website)

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-election-2008/news/video.cfm?c_id=1501799&gal_objectid=10540101&gallery_id=103193

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  93. Lindsay Addie (1,105 comments) says:

    To pickup on what Redbaiter said at 2:12pm.

    I want to look at from a slightly different angle. Paul Holmes on radio this morning (the audio track is on the NewstalkZB website) said that journalists from Fairfax and the NZ Herald went over to read the 13,000 pages of documents.

    Were they tipped off and was it by the Labour smear merchants and they were asked to go along? That’s what I think happened. For whatever reason once it was obvious the whole thing was a botched smear campaign by cowards they (the Herald) all of a sudden decided to blow the story wide open yesterday afternoon.

    I’m certain this smear and latest Peters fiasco (which is as much about Clark’s lying as it is about the poodle) will cost Labour the election. It was a pleasant change to hear Key when talking to Holmes this morning really putting the boot into Labour and Clark for trying to smear him.

    He’s been far to easy on them up until now.

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  94. peanut (139 comments) says:

    Nefarious,

    Do you know if Hitler had crooked teeth?

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  95. alex Masterley (1,437 comments) says:

    LA, it’s almost like he has herded the Labor party and the rest of the axis into a corner, and is now really going to deal to them over the last week of the campaign, so that instead of the Axis looking strong etc it will be busy ducking charges of smear tactics etc.

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  96. Nefarious (533 comments) says:

    Peanut, I think he did.

    http://i34.tinypic.com/2rrb8t4.jpg

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  97. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    This in from Reuters “A man has recently been washed up in Wellington Harbour, wearing suspenders, fishneck-stockings, a butt-plug and nipple-clamps. He was sporting full make-up and a blonde wig and had a tattoo which graphically described various unnatural practices tatooed on his butts. Tucked into his g-string was a credit-card sized identity card which informed the police that he was part of the research team for The Standard, a New Zealand-based ‘labour’ blog, with loose affilliations to The Labour Party Governments Public Relations Department.

    Wellington Police have removed the Id card and destroyed it to spare his family any embarrassment. ”

    Lee – MWT

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  98. Don the Kiwi (1,316 comments) says:

    Isn’t Mike Williams a sour faced piece of dog shit?

    Scraping through old rubbish looking for a morsel – what a dog (shit)

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  99. Lindsay Addie (1,105 comments) says:

    I reckon the bags under old Mike W’s eyes have got 10x worse since he had to read those 13,000 pages……

    :lol:

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  100. getstaffed (9,188 comments) says:

    From Stuff:

    “Prime Minister Helen Clark will be hoping a tumble that left her lying almost flat on her face at a Christchurch mall today is not a portent of her party’s election night fortunes.”

    ‘Strong’ leadership hasn’t worked. Smarmy Cullen hasn’t worked. Smearing hasn’t worked. Hmmmm, with a broken leg perhaps sympathy could work for her?!?. Looks like today was just a warm-up though.

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  101. Andrew (31 comments) says:

    Does this mean that Mike and his entourage will have to declare their little trip as an election expense? They all went there with the sole intention of defaming John Key and the National Party.

    Surley this is was part of a Labour Party stratagy to win the election therefore I think it should be counted.

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  102. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,785 comments) says:

    Does Mike Williams look more like Darth Vader (When the helmet is removed in Return of the Jedi) or the Imperial Emperor?

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  103. clintheine (1,560 comments) says:

    I’m voting in London this Saturday avo, so my party vote will go to ACT and as I am based in Nelson the Nat MP is safe as houses there anyway!

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  104. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    OECD, just a helmethead I think.

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  105. Put it away (2,888 comments) says:

    Does the cost of the australia trip count as election spending?

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  106. expat (4,048 comments) says:

    It doesn’t matter now, 8 days out from the day and Labour have fucked themselves over.

    Beautiful.

    I still have the feeling they will somehow manage to do it to themselves again before then though.

    How you might ask, can they possibly be that fucking stupid…

    LOL.

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  107. TimF (4 comments) says:

    Nobody has twigged that Labour are closer to the H Fee than you think. The first H Fee was transacted in January 1988 between Elders and BNZ ( Sydney ).
    BNZ was owned by the then Labour Government of NZ and Helen Clark was a senior Minister in that Government. Technically she was directly involved.

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