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I can understand the lack of National billboard presence (ie the vandalism), but the domination of on-line advertising by Labour/Greens is all too obvious. Can anyone suggest why National have such a low on-line profile?
I see the Greens won some advertising accolade over the weekend for their billboards. As a mother that they should be allowed to prostitute images of children to further their own political aims in this way makes me completely sick.
This is the Greens real voting record on issues that directly effect NZ’s children.
2003: P (Methamphetamine) reclassified as a Class A drug – only the Greens opposed
2006: Opposed an increase to the Drinking Age
2005: Intentional Possession of Child Pornography -Only the Greens opposed the maximum penalty being 5 years – wanted it lower at 2 years
2007: Want to decriminalise Marijuana
SOFT ON THE REAL CAUSES OF CHILD ABUSE YET THEY WANT TO CRIMINALISE PARENTS WHO GIVE THEIR KIDS A SMACK
The Greens are absolute hypocrites because if they weren’t they would also oppose abortion on the same grounds they oppose smacking
“Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. . . . the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child . . . it portrays the child as, an intrusion and an inconvenience ”
Quotes by Mother Teresa of Calcutta
Because unlike the Greens, Mother Teresa’s actions spoke louder than her words.
I asked somewhere the other day and probably didn’t go back to check for a response.
I used to look forward to Graemes comments on various matters and am sure he would have a valuable contribution to make about the various aspects of Winston and NZ First over the last few months.
Labour are obviously deseperate – every time i look at the nz herald there pops up H3’s non-ugly presence entreating me to vote from overseas, like fuck I will – off the nz house this friday to vote right.
I thought this was a very timely lesson on human nature…
I was talking to a friend of mines little girl the other day. I asked her what she wanted to be when she grew up and she replied, “I want to be Prime Minister!” Both of her parents are Labour supporters and were standing there. So then I asked her, “If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would do?”
She replied, “I’d give houses to all the homeless people.”
“Wow – what a worthy goal.” I told her, “You don’t have to wait until you’re Prime Minister to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where this homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward a new house.”
Since she is only 6, she thought that over for a few seconds. While her Mum glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”
I watched the minor party leaders’ debate last night and i fear for the country if this is the best that we have to face the current economic crisis. The whole lot of them were worse than useless, spouting platitudes and rhetoric without a single solution on offer. Any half decent debater would have torn the lot to shreds.
Heard Sue Bradford attacking Keys plan to help sacked people pay their bills this morning – apart from this being great for the Nats as 90% of NZers can’t stand the women – how the fuck does someone who does not have a job in the first place stand to be unfairly treated by this policy?
Come on NZ wake up to the fact these extremists could be dictating things in less than a month.
On a totally different subject has anyone else noticed how the floating rate of all the major banks has not followed down at the same rate as their new fixed rates? The exception appears to be Kiwibank.
This does seem to smell of profiteering!
I watched the minor party leaders’ debate last night and i fear for the country if this is the best that we have to face the current economic crisis. The whole lot of them were worse than useless
What I observed was Rodney Hide kick ass and take names.
On a totally different subject has anyone else noticed how the floating rate of all the major banks has not followed down at the same rate as their new fixed rates?
A good rational response from the banks. Has anyone else noticed the New Zealand dollar go down the toilet?
I wouldn’t worry too much GJ, John Key wants to pay your mortgage for you with other peoples money.
Largest major party should form government ?
What the hell is Key on, making out that the major party that gets the most
votes has a moral mandate to be the government.
When the hell did morals enter politics in NZ ?.
It seems some are saying that the smaller parties have an obligation to
support the Nats if they win more votes than labour.
Telling the Maori party that they have a moral duty to support National
would go down real well.
A lot of voters on the Maori roll have not forgotten the race card played by
the Nats in 05, that Key went along with.
GJ, I suggest you go out and search for the other half of your brain, if you have one.
Normally I would be no friend of the trading banks but when faced with such idiocy as this, I’m obliged to come to their defense.
A high floating rate compared with lower fixed rates simply indicates the banks expect rates to decline in the immediate future. In fact, the expectation will be that floating rates shortly will be less than the fixed rates currently on offer. In case you hadn’t noticed, that’s why they are called ‘floating’ rates.
Over the weekend I have been thinking a lot about the possible outcome of the election, the more I think about it the more I am convinced that there are only two possible outcomes.
IMHO we will either see a landslide to the Nat’s of around the 55% mark or a Labour led five party coalition.
I just cannot see any scenario where Key manages to put together a coalition govt with a one or two seat majority, the fly in the ointment will always be the Maori party and the issue of confidence and supply.
g-o-h (9:39 am) said “A lot of voters on the Maori roll have not forgotten the race card played by
the Nats in 05, …..”
crikey, is it that you are grumpy, is it that you are old or is it that you are a hori, that leads you to make that statement.
IMVHO, the racist in the room is the person who accuses another of racism when that other is making a statement about equality.
Oh well, you will keep on with your divisive dreams of seperatism and “maori sovereignty” g-o-h while the rest of us get on with scratching a living, paying taxes and providing welfare support to both the deserviing and the undeserving. I guess we will never agree on where the line between those two groups should be drawn.
No Adolf, grumpyoldhori is referring to the race card Helen Clark played over the weekend by saying to Pacific Islanders that National intends to bring back its dawn raids of the 70’s when in fact it was Labour that initiated them in 1974 and then continued them in the early 80’s.
grumpyoldhori (9:39am) – the so-called “race card” played by National in 2005 is almost word-for-word identical to Obama’s current “racial equality” pitch. Is Barack Obama a racist too?
Racism is, it seems, in the eye of the beholder. The chagrin adopted by Maori Party, Maori commentators etc towards Brash told us more about their own racist attitudes than anything else.
GOH is baiting you. If I am not mistaken GOH is an old workmate.
GOH – Remember xmas 2006, tea room drinks you me and surinder finshed the booze, before dinner across the raod at the pub – i got stuck next to the warthog manager ?
Election news
Charity scandal that won’t become one because the media don’t want it too.
Immigration scandal that , well, see above.
Helen lying through her crooked teeth. Again. And getting away with it. Again.
NZ media doing pretty much all they can to make sure labour win the election. (vomit inducing)
But I do love this. A tape of Barack Obama from 2001 talking about his wishes for “wealth redistribution”. Very scary stuff. He dumps on the constitution, then talks about legislation to ensure wealth redistribution becomes a reality.
It will be interesting to see how the MSM deals with this, or will they ignore it?………God help the USA if he follows through on his objective, if elected.
big bruv – I don’t understand why you need to divide the possible outcomes into a big win or a big loss, but make no allowance for a small win as a possible outcome.
Seems to me that National will definitely have as coalition partners Dunne and Hide. So, if the total vote for National, UF and ACT is >= 50% (actually, a little more given the Maori gerrymander, a little less if WinstonFirst doesn’t get in), then National forms a government. If it is less than 50%, then National either reach a deal with the Maori, or don’t form a government. I don’t see why they need to get more than 55% all on their own. 46% National, plus 4% ACT, plus 1-2% Dunne will do it just fine.
Anyone else noticed the mainstream media (notably the NZ Herald) giving massive unwarranted publicity to a couple of nutcase losers with a fantasy to kill Obama and another 100 people. What a poisonous bunch of socialist arseholes they are. They are going to pay a big price for their brazen left wing bias, and are already doing so wth the LA Times and the NY Times both going down the gurgler fast.
Must be hard being a left wing journalist- Starting work each day and mulling whether to meet the market and write something objective, or force left wing crap down people’s throats and go broke. That they so often choose the latter shows how intelligent they are.
Don’t buy their papers. Don’t advertise in their papers. Fight these bastards. Boycott the left wing media.
What I observed was Rodney Hide kick ass and take names.
With respect, i think you’re easily impressed. Sainsbury asked him a question about why he thought the Greens idea of embarking on a massive state housing building program wouldn’t work and he didn’t have an answer. It’s simple – because in order to do so, the government will either have to raise taxes or take on massive amounts of debt, or reduce spending in other areas.
If he was vaguely on the ball he could have asked Fitzsimons how she was going to fund the spending and how it was costed. The whole thing could have (and should have) been shredded in a few sentences.
As for Peters – how the fuck does he think that we can treble our exports if the global economy is in recession and no-one’s buying? Not to mention the fact that exports have been at record highs for the last few years but we’re still going down the toilet?
And don’t even get me started on Anderton, Turia et al. They are all a bunch of fuckwits who barely deserve oxygen let alone a microphone shoved under their noses.
“And don’t even get me started on Anderton, Turia et al. They are all a bunch of fuckwits who barely deserve oxygen let alone a microphone shoved under their noses.”
Damn right. Staggering that an apparent majority of NZers are content to be governed by a collection of utter dumbfucks. When the hell are they ever going to get angry?? What the fuck is it within their psyche that makes them think they need these clowns??
Middle class welfare
What the hell is Key doing with his idea that those who bought an expensive house should have their payments meet if they lose their jobs.
Bloody hell, these are middle class people who went into these contracts knowing what would happen if they lost their jobs.
Are we to have two classes of bloody welfare in this country, one for we in the middle class, another for the bugger who earns the minimum bloody wage ?
Or am I wrong, are these people that bloody thick who bought those houses that they should never be allowed to put a signature on paper ?
A top up on the dole of what, $40,000 a year ?
I received a letter today promoting a pyramid scheme — I guess times are getting tough and the scammers are seizing the chance to make a dollar from other people’s desperation.
While I’m sure that most people who visit Kiwiblog are smart enough to throw such letters in the rubbish, it might be worth pointing other people at the feature-article I published this morning so as to educate them as to the folly (and illegality) of such schemes — just in case they’re tempted to participate.
And, just to ram the point home – I have published the names and addresses of those who were stupid enough to commit their dullardry and greed to the letter I received. Just check out the “Features” page on my blog for the details and the identities/contact-details of the guilty.
grumpyoldhori, why the hell are you so supportive of Labour? the left in NZ have treated Maori like utter crap.
They take great pleasure in owning Maori as their own private political property, yet do nothing to help Maori improve their position in life at all.
The left have stripped your people of their mana, abused Maori loyalty beyond belief, and never delivered the equality they so often prattle on about.
All of the above are reasons that National deserve a chance to work with Maori in a productive way, the left have failed Maori people, how much more time and mana are you prepared to sacrifice before you realise this?.
# NeillR (162) Vote: Add rating10 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
“I watched the minor party leaders’ debate last night and i fear for the country if this is the best that we have to face the current economic crisis. The whole lot of them were worse than useless, spouting platitudes and rhetoric without a single solution on offer. Any half decent debater would have torn the lot to shreds.”
I share your fears, NeillR. Back in the early 1980’s, we had a brave man from the Left end of the spectrum who had seen the light, Roger Douglas; and a Labour caucus full of smart cookies like Moore and Prebble and Caygill, and a “great communicator” leader, David Lange; who brought the NZ public along while they did what needed to be done to save the NZ economy.
Now? That history has been rewritten and repudiated, Roger Douglas is a political leper, the only electorally viable alternative to the hard left Heleban, is a not quite so hard left National Party. We are STUFFED. Things are only going to get worse, and there is now simply no sign of any sort of intelligent awakening ever taking place among the NZ voters. The worse things get, the more scapegoating and class warfare rhetoric will come from the left, the more “eat the rich” taxation and regulations and “redistribution” promises of utopia to be swallowed whole by the voters. We will either end up under IMF/World Bank appointed receiver/managers, or we will become the Cuba of the South Pacific.
The government will run right out of taxation revenue AND sources of loan money, but stupid, stupid, stupid Kiwis will never get the connection between this and years of government irresponsibility with spending in good times; they will continue to blame “greedy capitalists”, and wipe out the economy in the process of punishing the greedy capitalists.
Phil – Enough with your un-referenced doomsday prophecies! Even under the Labour “Big government” scenario, the overwhelming majority of NZ’s smart, motivated and resourceful people are still in private enterprise and working on their bottom line all day every day. Don’t sell your fellow money-makers short!
Don’t be too hard on GrumpyOldHori, I think he has SOME right ideas. You agree, don’t you, Grumpy, that welfarism has ruined Maori, the DPB has ruined the traditional Maori happy family……..the Maori Party is to be commended for facing up to at least some of these realities.
Many of us on this thread could agree with Grumpy on the churning of money by the State back to the middle classes, whether in WFF payments or Mortgage rescue schemes; while low income earners in NZ pay more tax than any other low income earners in the world.
You know, in the USA, there is a lot of what could be described as middle class tax alleviation; around 40% – FORTY PERCENT of American earners pay NO TAX at all once they’ve got all their rebates; BUT THAT INCLUDES ALL THE LOWEST income earners; they don’t have our ridiculous situation where the lowest income earners taxes are essential to the government’s finances. This is of course because they have so many rich people, even at relatively moderate rates of taxation, the top 5% of US earners contribute something like 35% of the total tax take. Increasing the number of “rich people” always does wonders for a country’s finances.
can someone please tell me it will bounce back? just make it up haha
NZ dollar was high because Japanese households wanted to buy them to get high NZ interest rates. High demand means dollar has high value. Someone had to pay for our enormous Current Account deficit, and Michael/Helen weren’t running to the rescue.
Now suppose Japanese households get a bit nervous and decide they like yen afterall. They sell NZD to buy Yen. Price of NZD falls and price of Yen rises. Adding to the incentive to sell is the depreciating NZ dollar. High interest rates don’t mean anything if this return gets wiped out in conversion. Now if Yen goes up, Japanese economy starts to slide in recession and we sell them less logs and kiwifruit.
So, if nobody wants NZD the price will keep dropping until exports are can generate the forex to pay for our imports. Which means really, really low. So low that we’re practically giving the stuff away. This could be a very brutal shock. Think Mexico or Argentina in early 80s type of shock.
Don’t worry though, Helen and Michael have a plan. Tax and spend until we’re truly fucked and the IMF bailout becomes necessary.
Any oil from that prospect or the one on the east coast won’t come on tap for 10-15 years or until those prospects become economical again.
Also without the processing facilities we will be exactly like Iran, which relies on offshore facilities to process it’s crude.
Last figures on the Current Deficit was that it was 7.1% of GDP and worth $10.3bn.
We paid for it by using money lent to us from other countries. Or when they bought assets like Auckland Airport (whoops, but we didn’t let them).
If foreign households won’t lend us 9-10bn anymore, then basically we will get a few months while forex hedges work through and then have net exports swing around by $9-10 bn. That would need a pretty savage turn around in the exchange rate. Really savage, unless we can sell a few bits and pieces like Auckland Airport or Air NZ to foreigners again. Not going to happen though with Helen and the Hydra.
OT but funny story: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4741604a11.html
Last week I saw a warning in a regional paper that an Irish gang were going around pulling the old “fell off the back of a truck, half price” scam with some generators. Looks like they tried it in Northland and met a bit of bush justice.
Why we’re stuffed: Ideologies at work
This is an example of the kind of third rate drivel that passes for analysis in this country. For starters there’s no comparative scale of the average wage, so it’s impossible to tell whether the minimum wage has declined because the average wage has gone up, or whether the minimum wage has increased because the average wage has been held down.
I’m suspecting the CTU has left out the crucial piece of data (ie: average wage movement) because it doesn’t fit with their biased agenda.
Now if Yen goes up, Japanese economy starts to slide in recession
Why is that? I hadn’t thought of that scenario. I knew that the carry trade unwind was going to be brutal on our dollar, a friend of mine bought a lot of yen last year on this basis but I didn’t think the Japanese would be screwing themselves in the process. I though the fact they had a lot of cash would put them in a powerful position?
Key’s actions in helping those who cannot meet mortgage payments as a result of retrenchment will have the effect of retaining as much of our economic base as possible to have NZ better placed when the recovery occurs.
CraigM (253) 6 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 10:35 am
“So much going on this morning:
Election news
Charity scandal that won’t become one because the media don’t want it too.
Immigration scandal that , well, see above.
Helen lying through her crooked teeth. Again. And getting away with it. Again.
NZ media doing pretty much all they can to make sure labour win the election. (vomit inducing)
But I do love this. A tape of Barack Obama from 2001 talking about his wishes for “wealth redistribution”. Very scary stuff. He dumps on the constitution, then talks about legislation to ensure wealth redistribution becomes a reality.
It will be interesting to see how the MSM deals with this, or will they ignore it?………God help the USA if he follows through on his objective, if elected.”
The media both here and in the USA have reached the pinnacle of their shamelessness in terms of deeply biased promotion of antiChristian liberal socialism. Someone on the Free Republic or Pyjamas commented that 2004 was the year in which the MSM lost the ability to dictate the political agenda in the USA, that was the year in which they didn’t get away with a disgraceful fraudulent smear of President Bush, the filthy swine who were responsible GOT THEIRS courtesy of the “Swift Boaters for Truth”. Sadly, we have not reached that point in NZ yet.
I believe still that 2008 will be the year in which the MSM in the USA will lose something more – I believe that the election result will lead to serious questions being asked just what game they were playing. If McCain/Palin win, and win big, it will be obvious that the MSM were only ever running interference and conducting Psy-Ops for the Obama team, to the extent of producing deliberately falsified poll results. Hopefully this will be their death blow and “New Media” will become the new mainstream.
I still do not believe a man like Obama can possibly become President of the USA. If he does, it will be because the above assessments about the MSM were wrong, and the MSM DID indeed succeed in putting over the scam that is the “moderate”, “reach out”, “inclusive”, “hope for the future”, Barack Hussein Obama. If he does, it will be because the people of the USA had enough of the truth about him concealed from them.
His origins as a red diaper baby and his Muslim father and schooling in Indonesia. His associations with Communist Party of the USA members. His associations with unrepentant ex-Weathermen terrorists. His associations as “community organiser”, with radical Left anti-Western-Christian culture educational and social foundations. The columns he wrote in a radical leftwing rag over several years, that could have come straight from the pen of Chris Trotter. His voting record in the Senate in Illinois and in Washington. The most-Leftwing voting record possible. Not one “bipartisan” activity to his name (unlike McCain who has sponsored numerous pieces of legislation with a Democratic Party Co-sponsor). His associations with “black power” activists/”churchmen” and grievance culture politics. His recorded (on video) unwillingness to sing the National Anthem or salute the flag. His associations with radical Islamists. (Columnist Daniel Pipes writes that Obama would not pass a security clearance if he had applied for a job at a government department).
As Melanie Phillips put it, “pinch me”, if this man is a potential future President of the USA, I must be asleep and having a nightmare.
But if the MSM DO pull this off, they will still lose something as a result. The Obama Presidency will be marked by such disaster for the USA that I suggest that “Nuremberg Trials” will be necessary for the movement that put him into power. One Vidkun Quisling gave his name to posterity when he sold his country to the Nazis. Something similar is happening here, only on a massive scale. It is the neo-Marxist “Long March Through The Institutions” reaching its logical conclusion.
Now if Yen goes up, Japanese economy starts to slide in recession
Why is that? I hadn’t thought of that scenario. I knew that the carry trade unwind was going to be brutal on our dollar, a friend of mine bought a lot of yen last year on this basis but I didn’t think the Japanese would be screwing themselves in the process. I though the fact they had a lot of cash would put them in a powerful position?
If yen rises through currency flows, then their exports become less competitive, which given most of their export markets are looking at a recession, not so good. If we’re lucky it won’t be a deep slowdown and the price of NZ exports remains competitive. If we’re not, then think Mexico in early 80s trying to turn around their current account as commodity prices slumped and the OECD went into recession. Massive capital outflows leading to big and savage adjustments to the economy.
slightlyrighty, you should change that moniker to hard left.
Damn it , you are arguing that people, educated people should not have to take responsibility for their bloody actions when things go tits up.
Your approach is no bloody different to that Labour.
So bloody what if houses lose their so called value, a house is only worth what some bugger is prepared to pay for it.
Lose our economic base, what bullshit, our economic base still rides on the back of the rural sector.
Some sod losing an over priced house on the shore will make no difference to our economic base.
He can still go to work from the tent city.
You seem to be suggesting that some are too important to suffer any hardship.
Most mortgage holders will already have taken steps to protect themselves in the form of income protection insurance for mortgages.
How far do want those who do not to fall before they qualify for help? How hard will they have to strive to pull themselves out of the shit when the recovery happens? How badly do you want to see our economic base fall?
You seem to think that some people who have been well off deserve to learn a hard lesson through no fault of their own. These are the people whose work, labour and tax dollars have been used by Labour to help those it deemed worthy. Now times are tough, and that well is getting harder and harder to tap.
The reality is that the global economy is in the shit. It is going to get worse and the economies that best manage the fall to the bottom are going to be better placed when it comes to getting out the other end.
If you think of this grant as less of a hand-out and more of a hand-up you may begin to understand the different philosophies at work between the centre left and the centre right. This is an investment in the future.
“philu” and Illydois; is this stuff TRUE OR FALSE? I don’t mean, has it been successfully hidden from most people by the MSM, or not. You’re telling people not to believe their own lying eyes? What are you, a dupe (Illydois) or a fellow traveller (philu)?
“…..Obama’s origins as a red diaper baby and his Muslim father and schooling in Indonesia. His associations with Communist Party of the USA members. His associations with unrepentant ex-Weathermen terrorists. His associations as “community organiser”, with radical Left anti-Western-Christian culture educational and social foundations. The columns he wrote in a radical leftwing rag over several years, that could have come straight from the pen of Chris Trotter. His voting record in the Senate in Illinois and in Washington. The most-Leftwing voting record possible. Not one “bipartisan” activity to his name (unlike McCain who has sponsored numerous pieces of legislation with a Democratic Party Co-sponsor). His associations with “black power” activists/”churchmen” and grievance culture politics. His recorded (on video) unwillingness to sing the National Anthem or salute the flag. His associations with radical Islamists. (Columnist Daniel Pipes writes that Obama would not pass a security clearance if he had applied for a job at a government department).”
Oh dear. Those US republicans are finally being found out;
“WASHINGTON — Ted Stevens, a pillar of the Senate for 40 years and the face of Alaska politics almost since statehood, was convicted of a seven-felony string of corruption charges Monday _ found guilty of accepting a bonanza of home renovations and fancy trimmings from an oil executive and then lying about it.
Unbowed, even defiant, Stevens accused prosecutors of blatant misconduct and said, “I will fight this unjust verdict with every ounce of energy I have.”
The senator, 84 and already facing a challenging re-election contest next Tuesday, said he would stay in the race against Democrat Mark Begich. Though the convictions are a significant blow for the Senate’s longest-serving Republican, they do not disqualify him, and Stevens is still hugely popular in his home state.
The jury _ itself a daily drama, trying to expel one of its own members _ convicted Stevens of all the felony charges he faced, accusations based heavily on the testimony of a wealthy oil contractor who for years had been a fishing and drinking buddy.”
While you’re here, philu, I’ve been looking out for you, you haven’t been so active on here lately, what’s up? Other duties pressing as the election gets closer, eh?
I want to ask you, have you seen the stuff about you in Trevor Loudon’s article on the Greens in the latest “Investigate” Magazine? I quote: “Green Party Blogger (since expelled) Philip U…….” He then quotes at length a posting you apparently made about Commies taking over the Green Party, which I found quite commendable. Did you really write that, philu, or who are you and what have you done with the guy who used to post as Philip U on whoar.co.nz?
PhilBest, yep welfareism has done nothing for Maoridom.
Both the major parties have done sod all to sort out the intergenerational ride of too many Maori families on the welfare bus.
Both major parties find it easier to throw welfare money at the problem.
What are the chances of a young person being productive if he grows up believing benefit day to be pay day as if he has earned that money.
They could build more Dilworth type schools, but that will not happen while we have social workers whining that a persons skin colour decides if he has the ability to learn.
Being an evil sod I would like to see Hone in charge of Maori welfare, money should not be handed over if it has not been earned.
What’s the colour of his diapers got to do with anything?
What’s his fathers religion got to do with anything?
What’s the fact that he spent some time in Indonesia as a child got to do with anything?
The rest is Republican rhetoric (or utter crap) and he’s answered many many times. Can’t you use google yet?
Slightlyrightly, you are wrong. Income protection insurance does not cover redundancy. Only accident or illness.
Nobody who is made redundant or is fired or resigns is going to face foreclosure in the short term. The first port of call is to report one’s changed circumstances to one’s lender and ask for temporary relief from mortgage repayments. This would usually be granted by way of deferred of capitalised interest for say three months. Lenders do not want to foreclose and in fact will bend over backwards to avoid foreclosure.
However it should be noted that borrowers whose current property values are less than their outstanding loans will not have any leeway. They should either sell their homes immediately and cut their losses or determine to sit tight for two years and make their loan repayments. If they lose their jobs and do not quickly find new employment then they are in trouble and I would expect it will be these people to whom some assistance might be offered.
This is an excellent initiative from National and, on it’s own, highlights the stark difference between the dead hand of Labour and the enlightened and skilled approach of National. It is a political master stroke.
“US authorities have arrested two white supremacists for threatening to kill Democrat Barack Obama during a “killing spree” of African-Americans, court records showed.
The two men planned to kill 88 people and decapitate 14 African-Americans, before assassinating Senator Obama while dressed in tuxedos and top hats, the documents revealed.
Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman were arrested last Wednesday (US time) in Tennessee for possession of firearms and threats against a candidate running for president, the documents from the Memphis court showed.
The men discussed a “killing spree to include targeting a predominantly African-American school … they further stated that their final act of violence would be to attempt to assassinate presidential candidate Barack Obama,” Brian Weaks, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told the court.”
I’ve been giving JK’s ‘bail-out’ package some thought and the more I consider it, I feel that it’s aimed at easing the blow for a lot of the bloated PS sector, whom over the coming months (under a National govt), can expect to see a steady stream of: DON’T COME MONDAY letters!
slightlyrighty, you seem to be trying to prove my point.
People will be getting in the crap because they do not have income protection insurance.
Often these will be the people who have had a lot of tax payer money spent on them for education.
But, they will still be in the minus column when one compares what they have paid in tax and what they have received from other taxpayers.
So would it be a fair go for only those who are well in credit to the tax man to receive help ?
People like myself ?
Me centre left, I doubt it, put me down in the bloody minded party.
You will notice people going on about how welfare is wrong, until whoops, might need some of that taxpayer loot.
Looking into the near future, should he win the election, I predict Obama being assasinated within the first 6 months of office. Should this eventuate, does anyone see Binden being capable of stepping up to the role of Commander in Chief? Not that I believe Obama is really capable of the role either.
DAMNEDANGRY – Biden will be fine handling the pressure… sure, he cant handle it when he gets asked tough questions and any tv station that does so never gets to interview him again… but he will be fine.
grumpy – youre having a go at subsidised education now? lol
LOL. Anti western Christian! He is christian you idiot. And as Colin Powell noted if he was a muslim so what? Since when did that disqualify one from aspiring to the presidency?
If you are going to dribble out complete crap expect to be called on it or else the men in white coats really will take you away.
Once Obama’s in power you will have no show of avoiding them! Be very afraid. I heard he has a secret army of drones waiting for the signal, 2nd Tuesday in November they will be activated and all Republican supporters will be annihalated.
GrumpyOldHori at 1.00PM, you continue to say things occasionally that I can agree with, and I think a lot of others of the real right-wingers on here would agree with you too.
There is a lot of moral hazard being created by this endless bailout syndrome. The difference between a high risk investment and a low risk investment becomes almost meaningless if the State implicitly stands behind any and all activity in the finance sector in the event of an financial crisis. People need to be taught a lesson now, to be more careful with money they have got to invest. Investments need to go to the solid part of the economy, the productive sector, instead of inflating on paper, the value of assetts like houses that are not part of the productive sector at all.
The problem, GrumpyOldHori, with people who want their own home to live in, in a ballooning market, the cost, whether of buying or renting, steadily increases. Therefore, there is a strong incentive to “get on board the train” by buying a house, before the prices, and hence rentals, increase more. Saving up to buy the house is also not viable if prices go up faster than most people can save money.
Do you realise what the underlying problem is? If we could buy land at the price at which it sells as farmland, we could have ourselves affordable homes. Economist Thomas Sowell actually calls restrictions on land for housing development “Green ‘Disparate Impact’” because it impacts most severely on the lowest income earners and prices more and more people out of homes whether owned or rented.
We should not be attempting to keep house prices inflated and bailing out people with mortgages, we should be giving people who cannot afford their mortgage, a home at a price at which they CAN afford it. The only obstacles to this are political obstacles. Furthermore, the consequences of keeping house prices inflated and providing taxpayer funded assistance with mortgage costs, will merely cause a worse bubble and crash further down the track at an even bigger cost to the taxpayer.
Study this up, GrumpyOldHori, and keep fighting for what is right. I think you are a different type to the pathological socialist likes of RogerNome, I think you really can see sense on a lot of issues.
Redeye,
where he was born and who/what his Father is was is just smoke screen stuff, it really isn’t important. What is important is the beliefs of the man himself. His words & his actions have been, and even though tempered for the elections still are, anti-American, anti democracy.
In the interests of being open minded, listen to the tape. I posted a link to it earlier (at 10.35 to help with your scrolling).
Then come back and tell me that he isn’t a communist & racist at heart.
“You will notice people going on about how welfare is wrong, until whoops, might need some of that taxpayer loot”
Surely that is what welfare is for. It’s there to help you out when you need it. I would say especially so if you have paid taxes all your life and then fall on hard times.
lloydois (120) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating1 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
“LOL. Anti western Christian! He is christian you idiot. And as Colin Powell noted if he was a muslim so what? Since when did that disqualify one from aspiring to the presidency?”
Oh, Jeremiah Wright is a Christian and his church is a christian church???? Or is it only “fundamentalist” Christian churches that will be de facto disenfranchised by the antiChristian media?
If he is a Muslim so what? The “so what” is, if we KNEW, he would not be elected.
I stand by what I am saying. Obama would not be elected if the MSM so much as actually covered things that Obama himself said and did and stands for. I know that to lefty stooges like redeye, stuff that Obama wrote in a weekly column in the 1990’s are not a problem, because lefty stooges agree with those things, just like they agree with Chris Trotter’s writings. My point is that the MSM as lefty stooges themselves 1) have no difficulty with those things BUT 2) they know MOST Americans DO have a problem with those things, so they keep them “buried”. This is the height of dishonesty on their part.
CraigM, that is just one video. That is like a tip of the iceberg. Are you aware of the weekly column Obama wrote for a lefty rag in the 1990’s? No? Welcome to the Orwellian world that is “informed” by the “Mainstream” media in the year 2008.
Stanley Kurtz is to Obama what Ian Wishart is to Helen Clark. Google these articles by Stanley Kurtz, in fact, I am almost certainly out of date, chase up what he is writing more recently too:
“NYT’s Ayers-Obama Whitewash”
“Obama’s Dangerous Pals”
“Inside Obama’s ACORN”
“Planting the Seeds of Disaster”
“Barack Obama’s Lost Years”
“Spreading The Virus”
“No Liberation”
“Wright 101″
Can’t you hard right types have a debate without name calling or is that all you’ve got?
As I’ve said before, apply your own standards to your own team and see how they come out.
Too many Republicans have now endorsed Obama for him to be that dreaded marxist you are making him out to be
Britain’s Financial Times newspaper, which has bigger paid circulation in the United States than its home country, offered its endorsement to Sen. Barack Obama. yesterday
“Middle class welfare
What the hell is Key doing with his idea that those who bought an expensive house should have their payments meet if they lose their jobs.”
The same reason Labour thinks giving money to working families. Why didn’t they plan for a family like everyone else eh?
The MSM’s behaviour over Obama is so bad that they are even taking past articles off their website archives, articles concerning Obama’s past activities and connections that they might have reported approvingly at the time, but that they know would be damaging to him now. Read Stanley Kurtz and follow his links to other commentators who have found this and other similar occurrences of cover-ups of the past.
# PhilBest (3299) 0 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
“While you’re here, philu, I’ve been looking out for you, you haven’t been so active on here lately, what’s up? Other duties pressing as the election gets closer, eh?
I want to ask you, have you seen the stuff about you in Trevor Loudon’s article on the Greens in the latest “Investigate” Magazine? I quote: “Green Party Blogger (since expelled) Philip U…….” He then quotes at length a posting you apparently made about Commies taking over the Green Party, which I found quite commendable. Did you really write that, philu, or who are you and what have you done with the guy who used to post as Philip U on whoar.co.nz?
PhilBest I would go further than you on this issue.
Land is just another commodity and like another commodity their is a shortage prices will soar.
As you said, there is no shortage of bloody land, just a shortage of common bloody sense by too many bloody politicians, in this case the blame can be sheeted home to labour.
The answer of course is simple, we get a far greater return from urban areas in GDP for the same area than what we do from farmland.
Going on from that, all the state housing areas where there is still a lot of state owned housing.
Move those old state houses out, sell half the land to developers, then use that money to build terrace type housing, both state and private.
A win win situation, one gets a hell of a lot more housing, at no/low cost to the state.
Don’t like a terrace house to rent, tough
It has been done in Melbourne where they built these terrace homes around a grass square of an acre.
redeye – “Too many Republicans have now endorsed Obama for him to be that dreaded marxist you are making him out to be” haha got a list handy?
did you listen to the tape?
heres the difference between the left and right.
right wing politician example – donna from ACT!… did bad things, fraud etc. end result – kicked out of party, thrown in jail.
left wing politician – pick from a bunch of labour ministers.. end result. they didnt do it. never admit a leftist could make a mistake. give examples of how some right wing person did the same thing (even if its 50 years ago). deny, deny.
maybe if the left could admit mistakes every so often, they wouldnt be such a joke.
then again, i guess it is a result of defending policies that dont make sense, year after year.
“Largest major party should form government ? What the hell is Key on, making out that the major party that gets the most
votes has a moral mandate to be the government.”
The latest poll shows that 79% of the nation agrees with him.
“A lot of voters on the Maori roll have not forgotten the race card played by
the Nats in 05, that Key went along with.”
Equality of citizenship is not a “race card”.
Also, you claim you may vote for the Libertarianz, most of whom think Maori culture is primitive tribal nonsense.
Let’s suppose there is a method of triage that lets through the truly needy, ie. those with a mortgage who can’t survive and pay all the bills on $220 per week including housing allowance. Here’s one way it could go.
1. The RB purchases the mortgage from the lender for the book value excluding unpaid interest.
2. The RB holds the mortgage and charges no interest until the borrower is back in work.
3. The RB sells the mortgage, including a capitalised charge for interest at ITS cost of borrowing, to a retail lender
as a result
The lender is better off than it wold have been, because a mortgagee sale would not have met the outstanding balance and the cost of bankruptcy proceedings for an unemployed person are a waste of time.
The RB is no worse off
The borrower is better of as they still have a home and the interest cost is a reality of saving that home.
The housing market is better off as there are few mortgagee sales, so prices stay higher than otherwise
The nation is better off, as we haven’t had to house the borrower’s family after they were evicted by their first lender
Seems a rational option for me, with no ‘real’ welfare, just a form of fiscally neutral bridging support.
Clearly the most vicious moral of the present financial crises facing the planet is “living on debt with no leeway.”
How this is played out politically is, while facinating, also crucial to the future success of our economy and as SlightlyRightly points out, those that are best equipped to manage the fall is what is important right now.
Ironically NZ’s position and timing could not be better, we have an election to get it right.
Hey Adolf, while the topic is live, do you think we will see here what happened in Oz during the last downturn in house prices seeing as how the mortgage market is dominated y Australian managed banks.
As it was told to me by one who was affected, the first step was that the banks were mighty unwilling to take the actual losses on overcapitalised homes into their balance sheets and were as co-operative as hell to help the homeowner re-arrange his finances.
They would even help complete renovations, offer budgeting advice and be really nice etc all the while encouraging the homeowner to get the mortgage value down to the new market value. Once they knew that the mortgage was secure they started lowering the boom in a wholesale manner and forced sales in order to get their liquidity back up a bit. Those who had busted their asses to save their homes were the hardest hit as a result.
This may have been because in turn they were being pressured by those who had lent to them. It was though, followed inevitably by a push to lend the newly found cash and away it went again.
Moral of the story – owe the bank far more than they could possibly recover by selling you up, you will remain their best friend only so long as they need to keep you solvent.
Assuming he wins, Obama will not last a full term. His policies and those of the Congressional Dems (such as the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ which is a thinly disguised attempt to shut down independent right wing media, and laws to restrict gun ownership) will lead to civil war.
Lee, so 79% believe the Nats should go into coalition with those primitive tribal types as you put it.
So will the Nats entrench those primitive tribal seats as labour will do, or would they prefer to stay in opposition ?
You see one thing about the Nats, they seem to have a lot of immigrant idiots who manage to put their feet in their mouths.
Sorry Redebaiter but if you believe his drivel you’re just as retarded and delusional as he is. But then we knew that. I just love the way you come across all serious and patronising whilst your belief system has clearly collapsed around your very small brain, completely clueless as to the changed political landscape unfolding before your eyes.
If you are as smart as you think you are you’d realise what a fruit loop PhilBest is.
I’m picking a big “no” from Redeye on that one. Once you listen to the tape, there is no defending its content. That would put Redeye in an embarrassing situation, so best not to listen and continue to pretend it doesn’t exist.
Lloydois: suggesting PhilB needs a lie down is all fine and good, but it would be nice if you were to come up with a comment on the topic, or does the above apply to you also? just easier to pretend what you don’t like doesn’t exist. It is simpler to make personal attacks than to defend the indefensible isn’t it?
I really would love to hear someone defend Obama’s comments on that tape. Of course that means admitting that you are a communist/marxist which is not easy to do, even in this socialist la la land.
“Phil provides the information you have no answer to, and you’ve just proved it.”
awww! – wasn’t that a touching moment? redbaiter reaching out for fellow wing-nut philbest’s hand in reassurance. Just goes to show, you can’t stand on your own two feet. You have to hold someone else’s hand. What ever happened to individual responsibility? You’re a weak-minded tool redbaiter – so typical of a socialist.
Redeye: “Can’t you hard right types have a debate without name calling or is that all you’ve got?”
llyodois:
“If you are as smart as you think you are you’d realise what a fruit loop PhilBest is.”
& “but if you believe his drivel you’re just as retarded and delusional as he is.”
Roger:
“You’re a weak minded tool redbaiter….. ”
REDEYE: suggest you talk to your fellow travellers. Pot, kettle, black and all that….
“so long as they need to keep you solvent” has benefits in the transactional housing market but when sales become infrequent and recession strikes as it has, non performing loans loam and mortgagee sales must follow irrespective of whether you’re a Ozzie bank manger or not:)
This financial crisis will create the worst property market correction seen in NZ which will become evident in the next 12-24 months.
Anyone else seen the headline on Drudge? The MM have totallly fucked themselves big time and will never recover from the damage to their credibility that their unrelenting pro-Obama propaganda has caused them. Good riddance. Damn soviet style liars, Stalinists and disciples of Goebbells who have brought the craft of journalism into utter disrepute.
wreck1080 – i can’t access ird either. i’m at the end of a TelstraClear cable connection in wellington. perhaps civil case where i sue ird for mental distress caused by not being able to pay my tax
“I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.”
“It is not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everyone who is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it is good for everyone.”
(how old is this guy? 14?
“The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society … and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that. … I think that you can craft legal theoretical justifications for it legally, any three of us here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.”
Haha, now that’s funny. (unintentionally so) Parody requires wit and intelligence and a real sense of humour, characteristics that you have frequently demonstrated you completely lack. Your remarks are just dull unintelligent left wing spite motivated by hate and intolerance. Nothing even close to parody. You’re so superficial you’re airborne.
“…just to take a, sort of a realist perspective…there’s a lot of change going on outside of the Court, um, that, that judges essentially have to take judicial notice of. I mean you’ve got World War II, you’ve got uh, uh, uh, the doctrines of Nazism, that, that we are fighting against, that start looking uncomfortably similar to what we have going on, back here at home.”
funny how the head sociliast is always a multi millionaire
I phoned IRD , and they say the IRD Website is working perfectly and the problem must be with my PC (even though I explained other websites are working OK). I see it is working a little better now (front page is loading), but my online gst return is still not going through.
But, it is interesting to see others are also having problems with their PC’s.
grumpyoldhori (348) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
“PhilBest I would go further than you on this issue.
Land is just another commodity and like another commodity their is a shortage prices will soar.
As you said, there is no shortage of bloody land, just a shortage of common bloody sense by too many bloody politicians, in this case the blame can be sheeted home to labour.
The answer of course is simple, we get a far greater return from urban areas in GDP for the same area than what we do from farmland.
Going on from that, all the state housing areas where there is still a lot of state owned housing.
Move those old state houses out, sell half the land to developers, then use that money to build terrace type housing, both state and private.
A win win situation, one gets a hell of a lot more housing, at no/low cost to the state.
Don’t like a terrace house to rent, tough….”
Thanks, Grumpy. Nice to be able to agree on something. By the way, did you know that Housing NZ is looking at knocking down some of their blocks of flats and building houses because they have a shortage of houses but THEIR CLIENTS DON’T WANT TO LIVE IN FLATS?
Also by the way, NZ’s land use for housing is 1.4%. The ratio of average income to average house price is 6.3. Germany has 15% of their land in housing and yet their average income to average house price is 3.0. The difference is the readiness with which Germany’s regulations allow land to be used for housing.
Saudi Arabia COULD sell Oil for $20 per barrell and still make a profit. They choose to jack the price and restrict supply. The same applies to the price of land in NZ. The urban use of land would hardly be relevant if there were not zoning restrictions, you would find that the price of urban land would drop much closer to the price of farmland. I am not sure what you mean about the “return” on land; most housing has no “return” at all to owners, they live in it; wheras a farm DOES earn an income for its owner. Maybe land with a factory on it earns a higher return than farmland does, but you would still find that if this zoning was abolished, the result would be that commercial land would drop in value to closer to the value of farmland, farmland wouldn’t rise in value to match commercial land.
All this is a classic illustration of the unintended consequences of government interference in our lives.
Also – what do you die-hard neoliberals think about National’s socialist plans to substantially up the dole for middle class people who find themselves out of a job during the next few years? Sounds a bit ad hoc to me. Why not put an emphasis on providing jobs for them to get into, rather than making dependent on the state for income?
It’s so irrational, hypocritical and populist it could be a Winston Peters scheme. Love it!
“it’s called parody dumbarse”; do you say that to the cracked mirror every morning roger nomer? I see you “Love it!”, what do you mean, cracking mirrors or playing the dumbo lefty troll, or both?
dime (529) Vote: Add rating1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.”
“It is not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everyone who is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it is good for everyone.”
“(how old is this guy? 14?”
Dime, a socialist is someone suffering from arrested development. They stopped developing a capacity for grasping observable realities of life, at 14 on average.
Also – what do you die-hard neoliberals think about National’s socialist plans to substantially up the dole for middle class people who find themselves out of a job during the next few years? Sounds a bit ad hoc to me. Why not put an emphasis on providing jobs for them to get into, rather than making dependent on the state for income?
It’s so irrational, hypocritical and populist it could be a Winston Peters scheme. Love it!
wreck1080 – Still problematic. I know of a Wgtn-hosted site that was hit with a well distributed denial-of-service attack over the weekend. I wonder if IRD are being hit?
Edit: Page did load. very slow and 3 previous attempts failed.
wreck1080 (138) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
” I am with Telecom ADSL.
I phoned IRD , and they say the IRD Website is working perfectly and the problem must be with my PC (even though I explained other websites are working OK). I see it is working a little better now (front page is loading), but my online gst return is still not going through. ”
Took about 5 minutes before it loaded the main site, on the link you gave it produced and error code, probably undergoing some maintenance or maybe the IRD are broke and can’t afford the Bandwidth charges! that would make me lol.
Of course you are wreck1080. It’s called the inverse rule of customer power, it was invented by a taxman and I wouldn’t be surprised if he has become the patron saint of taxmen worldwide.
Heard a democrat talking to Larry Williams this arvo. He said the Republicans were inciting violence against Obambi. The main culprit is Sarah Palin. He was absolutely astounded when Sarah had the audacity to call Obambi a socialist just because of the way he wanted to use the tax system to redistribute wealth. What a terrible accusation!!! A SOCIALIST! You only get them in Eurabia.
The Standard has pointed out that now Brownlee has been caught out owning undisclosed shareholdings in companies at the same time as he was asking all sorts of questions in the house about said company’s profitability…
National looks more and more like a pretty tight little Shareholder’s Club, looking after their investments, but oh no Helen’s the only corrupt one we want to talk about here
Brownlee had 600 shares in Contact Energy. This equals about $5000. Surely a Labour MP must own some as well, if not directly, then through a managed fund.
Equally corrupt are the many Labour MPs who invested in residential property in the vein hope of making their millions. Their actions contributed to inappropriately high property prices and high interest rates.
$5000 is not nothing. And using your position in the house to try and achieve some personal monetary gain for yourself is corruption. Or perhaps it is not, in your eyes?
But I think it’s mainly the lies that are the issue. You know – Winston=liar, lies=bad, and all of that?
And failed to tell the SFO, and the Privileges Committee, and the media……. and continued to “fail” to mention it when this all blew up in Winstons face!!!!
“I like my elected representatives to be developing policies for the good of the country”
Or the good of billionaire’s Owen Glenn right??? If Hulun cared one bit about “the good of the country” she would take the principled stand that John Key has and refuse to work with the criminal and corrupt Winston Peters.
But Hulun believes that ANY corrupt sleaze bag is just fine as long as he gets her back in power!!!
Oh yeah, she REALLY cares about the “good of the country”!!!
You missed out the good bit: “to further their – mandated – policy programme.” Typical Kiwiblog commentator. Very selective with your quotes, to make sure they get your meaning not mine.
Seems to me they were voted in to govern until the next election, and that’s what they’ve tried to do. If you want to maintain somehow that Clark is into power for powers’ sake, you might have to sell me that idea…
Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.
Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you
get the right to interfere in our elections ?
They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise
the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.
Cuzzy bro, oh please, you will be trying to rant that you rant on the marae
next.
“Most kiwis at the last election did not vote for Labour.”
Here’s the thing with MMP: The most votes governs. It’s not all about National vs Labour any more. Perhaps this isn’t the way democracy is supposed to be, in your mind?
“Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.”
Nope. I have lived here since the 1970’s.
“Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you get the right to interfere in our elections ?”
When in Rome I ha[ppen to believe that all taxpayers should have the right to vote. But you have once again proved yourself a coward and failed to answer my question. What gives YOU the right to spew hate at Sarah Palin when you do not even have the decency to move there and pay tax???
Pathetic hypocrite.
“They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.”
Ah yes, when you have no brain, and no intelligent argument to make, resort to schoolyard level abuse!!!
Unlike you hori, I take my right to vote seriously. I will not be wasting it on a party that has no chance of getting into power, while sitting on my hori ass and spewing abuse at anyone who does.
The moral reason I should be allowed to vote is because lazy, self-centred armchair whiners like you hate your country so much your throwing a proxy vote to Labour!
Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens and whose
country does not give equality in voting rights, to vote.
And since kiwis do not get the right to vote in the US even if they are paying
taxes I believe it is only fair that it should be the same for ALL Americans resident in NZ.
And that applies to all countries who do not give reciprocal voting rights for
kiwis who are residents and paying taxes
This is one issue where I believe NZ is too liberal.
“Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens”
Fair enough. But I don’t care.
I pay taxes, and I believe in taxpayers rights. Moreover, I have lived here, paid taxes here, and contributed to my community for nearly thirty years. Every morning, five days a week I get up an hour earlier than I need to to go to my church to help make lunches for the kids (mostly Maori) who turn up to school hungry. I contribute, I pay taxes and that along with the current NZ law, gives me the right.
You don’t like the law? Get it changed. You don’t like the US law? Move there and pay taxes. Until then stop questioning my legal rights.
I feel I have earned my right to have a say. Your entitled to your view on the issue, but constantly bringing it up on threads that are completely unrelated to that issue merely to attack me is bullshit.
Plus, I get back to the issue that you feel you have the right to spew hate against Sarah Palin when you do not contribute ANYTHING to the USA.
Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin. Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians. We’re all going to be paying for their blunders.
More goose-neck crap journalism, this time from NZ Herald.
“National leader John Key is sticking by his decision to rule out New Zealand First from any National-led government, despite a new poll showing over a quarter of National voters want him to rethink his stance.”
Despite? It’s hardly an overwhelming fecking majority!
If any party brings in a policy banning polytechnics from running journalism courses, they will get my vote.
Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don’t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn’t start to feel like… an idiot.
Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don’t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn’t you start to feel like… an idiot.
IRD have to take a serious look at their online services
Wreck1080 – agreed. In the probably knowledge that they won’t I’d suggest that you file your return earlier and pre-schedule any payment via on-line banking. I’ve had a run-in with IRD after doing this from overseas at the 11th hour and it’s painful.
“Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin.”
I seriously doubt “half”. But certainly a lot of Marxists, lefties, and Muslims are. I don’t take such people seriously.
“Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians.”
Not while your own country is run by a corrupt and criminal regime.
“We’re all going to be paying for their blunders.”
No your going to be paying for Helen and Cullen’s blunders.
“You certainly are one angry Christian.”
Righteous anger? Hell yes! Perhaps you just not used to someone who stands up for themselves and does not roll over when ignorant anti-American/Republican propaganda is trotted out by people trying to divert attention from the crimes of the Clark regime.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:19 am
I can understand the lack of National billboard presence (ie the vandalism), but the domination of on-line advertising by Labour/Greens is all too obvious. Can anyone suggest why National have such a low on-line profile?
October 28th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Is Online advertising effective ?
Do you get more public mileage out of having your physical billboards defaced ?
October 28th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Where’s Labour pledge card? Have the banks canceled it.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:49 am
I see the Greens won some advertising accolade over the weekend for their billboards. As a mother that they should be allowed to prostitute images of children to further their own political aims in this way makes me completely sick.
This is the Greens real voting record on issues that directly effect NZ’s children.
2003: P (Methamphetamine) reclassified as a Class A drug – only the Greens opposed
2006: Opposed an increase to the Drinking Age
2005: Intentional Possession of Child Pornography -Only the Greens opposed the maximum penalty being 5 years – wanted it lower at 2 years
2007: Want to decriminalise Marijuana
SOFT ON THE REAL CAUSES OF CHILD ABUSE YET THEY WANT TO CRIMINALISE PARENTS WHO GIVE THEIR KIDS A SMACK
The Greens are absolute hypocrites because if they weren’t they would also oppose abortion on the same grounds they oppose smacking
“Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. . . . the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child . . . it portrays the child as, an intrusion and an inconvenience ”
Quotes by Mother Teresa of Calcutta
Because unlike the Greens, Mother Teresa’s actions spoke louder than her words.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Is Graeme Edgeler still around?
I asked somewhere the other day and probably didn’t go back to check for a response.
I used to look forward to Graemes comments on various matters and am sure he would have a valuable contribution to make about the various aspects of Winston and NZ First over the last few months.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:55 am
pdm, I saw Edgeler at the Standard the other day…
October 28th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Labour are obviously deseperate – every time i look at the nz herald there pops up H3’s non-ugly presence entreating me to vote from overseas, like fuck I will – off the nz house this friday to vote right.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Actually, Graeme has a new post up at Public Address now…
October 28th, 2008 at 9:05 am
one handed typing above – paleta iberico and rioja engaging other….
October 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
I thought this was a very timely lesson on human nature…
I was talking to a friend of mines little girl the other day. I asked her what she wanted to be when she grew up and she replied, “I want to be Prime Minister!” Both of her parents are Labour supporters and were standing there. So then I asked her, “If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would do?”
She replied, “I’d give houses to all the homeless people.”
“Wow – what a worthy goal.” I told her, “You don’t have to wait until you’re Prime Minister to do that. You can come over to my house and mow, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over to the grocery store where this homeless guy hangs out, and you can give him the $50 to use toward a new house.”
Since she is only 6, she thought that over for a few seconds. While her Mum glared at me, she looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”
And I said, “Welcome to the National Party.”
October 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
I watched the minor party leaders’ debate last night and i fear for the country if this is the best that we have to face the current economic crisis. The whole lot of them were worse than useless, spouting platitudes and rhetoric without a single solution on offer. Any half decent debater would have torn the lot to shreds.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Heard Sue Bradford attacking Keys plan to help sacked people pay their bills this morning – apart from this being great for the Nats as 90% of NZers can’t stand the women – how the fuck does someone who does not have a job in the first place stand to be unfairly treated by this policy?
Come on NZ wake up to the fact these extremists could be dictating things in less than a month.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:26 am
On a totally different subject has anyone else noticed how the floating rate of all the major banks has not followed down at the same rate as their new fixed rates? The exception appears to be Kiwibank.
This does seem to smell of profiteering!
October 28th, 2008 at 9:29 am
NeillR says at 9:16 am:
What I observed was Rodney Hide kick ass and take names.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:34 am
GJ says at 9:26 am:
A good rational response from the banks. Has anyone else noticed the New Zealand dollar go down the toilet?
I wouldn’t worry too much GJ, John Key wants to pay your mortgage for you with other peoples money.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Good anecdote PinkGina. The problem is it doesn’t apply to the National Party. Most of them think the same as the little girl.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Largest major party should form government ?
What the hell is Key on, making out that the major party that gets the most
votes has a moral mandate to be the government.
When the hell did morals enter politics in NZ ?.
It seems some are saying that the smaller parties have an obligation to
support the Nats if they win more votes than labour.
Telling the Maori party that they have a moral duty to support National
would go down real well.
A lot of voters on the Maori roll have not forgotten the race card played by
the Nats in 05, that Key went along with.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:49 am
GJ, I suggest you go out and search for the other half of your brain, if you have one.
Normally I would be no friend of the trading banks but when faced with such idiocy as this, I’m obliged to come to their defense.
A high floating rate compared with lower fixed rates simply indicates the banks expect rates to decline in the immediate future. In fact, the expectation will be that floating rates shortly will be less than the fixed rates currently on offer. In case you hadn’t noticed, that’s why they are called ‘floating’ rates.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Grumpyoldhori, are you referring to the race card the media and Labour said he played but which didn’t actually appear in any of his speeches?
October 28th, 2008 at 9:51 am
grumpyoldhori – umm what race card?
the “everyone in new zealand should be treated the same” policy?
thats not really a race card.. infact, treating people dofferently based on race is umm racist?
October 28th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Over the weekend I have been thinking a lot about the possible outcome of the election, the more I think about it the more I am convinced that there are only two possible outcomes.
IMHO we will either see a landslide to the Nat’s of around the 55% mark or a Labour led five party coalition.
I just cannot see any scenario where Key manages to put together a coalition govt with a one or two seat majority, the fly in the ointment will always be the Maori party and the issue of confidence and supply.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Hmm, Hungary going cap in hand to the IMF, (Britain went there in the ERM crisis), buckle in punters its about to get real fucking bad
October 28th, 2008 at 9:57 am
oh dear here we go again.
g-o-h (9:39 am) said “A lot of voters on the Maori roll have not forgotten the race card played by
the Nats in 05, …..”
crikey, is it that you are grumpy, is it that you are old or is it that you are a hori, that leads you to make that statement.
IMVHO, the racist in the room is the person who accuses another of racism when that other is making a statement about equality.
Oh well, you will keep on with your divisive dreams of seperatism and “maori sovereignty” g-o-h while the rest of us get on with scratching a living, paying taxes and providing welfare support to both the deserviing and the undeserving. I guess we will never agree on where the line between those two groups should be drawn.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:58 am
No Adolf, grumpyoldhori is referring to the race card Helen Clark played over the weekend by saying to Pacific Islanders that National intends to bring back its dawn raids of the 70’s when in fact it was Labour that initiated them in 1974 and then continued them in the early 80’s.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Nah Gooner, grumpy is too anal to be bothered about the PIs and their “problems of the 70’s”
October 28th, 2008 at 10:06 am
BTW Gooner, big ups for your outing of HC (again) as a lying, bitter and totally twisted product of the Socialist indoctrination programme.
Go Red, Any lie is a good lie as long as it gets reported as a fact.!
And she had the gall to use the words “cancerous and corrosive” about others. whew !!! something smells bad.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Grumpy reckons as long as maori get special priviledges then all are being treated equally.
Maori are just more equal right eh grumpy.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:08 am
grumpyoldhori (9:39am) – the so-called “race card” played by National in 2005 is almost word-for-word identical to Obama’s current “racial equality” pitch. Is Barack Obama a racist too?
Racism is, it seems, in the eye of the beholder. The chagrin adopted by Maori Party, Maori commentators etc towards Brash told us more about their own racist attitudes than anything else.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:13 am
Global FX dealers must have been watching the idiot debate on TV last night as they have the Fiji Dollar worth more than the kiwi
1USD = 1.80960 Fiji D
1USD = 1.80135 NZD
October 28th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Soon it will be cheaper to use New Zealand dollar notes to wipe ass instead of buying toilet paper.
But which note would you favour? I’d be satisfied using the £10 note myself.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:27 am
what the hell is happening to our dollar?
can someone please tell me it will bounce back? just make it up haha
October 28th, 2008 at 10:29 am
GOH is baiting you. If I am not mistaken GOH is an old workmate.
GOH – Remember xmas 2006, tea room drinks you me and surinder finshed the booze, before dinner across the raod at the pub – i got stuck next to the warthog manager ?
GOH is alright,
October 28th, 2008 at 10:35 am
So much going on this morning:
Election news
Charity scandal that won’t become one because the media don’t want it too.
Immigration scandal that , well, see above.
Helen lying through her crooked teeth. Again. And getting away with it. Again.
NZ media doing pretty much all they can to make sure labour win the election. (vomit inducing)
But I do love this. A tape of Barack Obama from 2001 talking about his wishes for “wealth redistribution”. Very scary stuff. He dumps on the constitution, then talks about legislation to ensure wealth redistribution becomes a reality.
It will be interesting to see how the MSM deals with this, or will they ignore it?………God help the USA if he follows through on his objective, if elected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
October 28th, 2008 at 10:37 am
big bruv – I don’t understand why you need to divide the possible outcomes into a big win or a big loss, but make no allowance for a small win as a possible outcome.
Seems to me that National will definitely have as coalition partners Dunne and Hide. So, if the total vote for National, UF and ACT is >= 50% (actually, a little more given the Maori gerrymander, a little less if WinstonFirst doesn’t get in), then National forms a government. If it is less than 50%, then National either reach a deal with the Maori, or don’t form a government. I don’t see why they need to get more than 55% all on their own. 46% National, plus 4% ACT, plus 1-2% Dunne will do it just fine.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:40 am
Ha! Safe haven Fiji ! Hey Hulun, ask banarama how its done aye!
October 28th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Anyone else noticed the mainstream media (notably the NZ Herald) giving massive unwarranted publicity to a couple of nutcase losers with a fantasy to kill Obama and another 100 people. What a poisonous bunch of socialist arseholes they are. They are going to pay a big price for their brazen left wing bias, and are already doing so wth the LA Times and the NY Times both going down the gurgler fast.
Must be hard being a left wing journalist- Starting work each day and mulling whether to meet the market and write something objective, or force left wing crap down people’s throats and go broke. That they so often choose the latter shows how intelligent they are.
Don’t buy their papers. Don’t advertise in their papers. Fight these bastards. Boycott the left wing media.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:44 am
When will NZ shareholders realise that the game is up???
October 28th, 2008 at 10:48 am
“Good anecdote PinkGina. The problem is it doesn’t apply to the National Party. Most of them think the same as the little girl.”
As the little girl thought before she had her epiphany is what I meant.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:49 am
What I observed was Rodney Hide kick ass and take names.
With respect, i think you’re easily impressed. Sainsbury asked him a question about why he thought the Greens idea of embarking on a massive state housing building program wouldn’t work and he didn’t have an answer. It’s simple – because in order to do so, the government will either have to raise taxes or take on massive amounts of debt, or reduce spending in other areas.
If he was vaguely on the ball he could have asked Fitzsimons how she was going to fund the spending and how it was costed. The whole thing could have (and should have) been shredded in a few sentences.
As for Peters – how the fuck does he think that we can treble our exports if the global economy is in recession and no-one’s buying? Not to mention the fact that exports have been at record highs for the last few years but we’re still going down the toilet?
And don’t even get me started on Anderton, Turia et al. They are all a bunch of fuckwits who barely deserve oxygen let alone a microphone shoved under their noses.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:52 am
“And don’t even get me started on Anderton, Turia et al. They are all a bunch of fuckwits who barely deserve oxygen let alone a microphone shoved under their noses.”
Damn right. Staggering that an apparent majority of NZers are content to be governed by a collection of utter dumbfucks. When the hell are they ever going to get angry?? What the fuck is it within their psyche that makes them think they need these clowns??
October 28th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Middle class welfare
What the hell is Key doing with his idea that those who bought an expensive house should have their payments meet if they lose their jobs.
Bloody hell, these are middle class people who went into these contracts knowing what would happen if they lost their jobs.
Are we to have two classes of bloody welfare in this country, one for we in the middle class, another for the bugger who earns the minimum bloody wage ?
Or am I wrong, are these people that bloody thick who bought those houses that they should never be allowed to put a signature on paper ?
A top up on the dole of what, $40,000 a year ?
October 28th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I received a letter today promoting a pyramid scheme — I guess times are getting tough and the scammers are seizing the chance to make a dollar from other people’s desperation.
While I’m sure that most people who visit Kiwiblog are smart enough to throw such letters in the rubbish, it might be worth pointing other people at the feature-article I published this morning so as to educate them as to the folly (and illegality) of such schemes — just in case they’re tempted to participate.
And, just to ram the point home – I have published the names and addresses of those who were stupid enough to commit their dullardry and greed to the letter I received. Just check out the “Features” page on my blog for the details and the identities/contact-details of the guilty.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:43 am
grumpyoldhori, why the hell are you so supportive of Labour? the left in NZ have treated Maori like utter crap.
They take great pleasure in owning Maori as their own private political property, yet do nothing to help Maori improve their position in life at all.
The left have stripped your people of their mana, abused Maori loyalty beyond belief, and never delivered the equality they so often prattle on about.
All of the above are reasons that National deserve a chance to work with Maori in a productive way, the left have failed Maori people, how much more time and mana are you prepared to sacrifice before you realise this?.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:50 am
# NeillR (162) Vote: Add rating10 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 9:16 am
“I watched the minor party leaders’ debate last night and i fear for the country if this is the best that we have to face the current economic crisis. The whole lot of them were worse than useless, spouting platitudes and rhetoric without a single solution on offer. Any half decent debater would have torn the lot to shreds.”
I share your fears, NeillR. Back in the early 1980’s, we had a brave man from the Left end of the spectrum who had seen the light, Roger Douglas; and a Labour caucus full of smart cookies like Moore and Prebble and Caygill, and a “great communicator” leader, David Lange; who brought the NZ public along while they did what needed to be done to save the NZ economy.
Now? That history has been rewritten and repudiated, Roger Douglas is a political leper, the only electorally viable alternative to the hard left Heleban, is a not quite so hard left National Party. We are STUFFED. Things are only going to get worse, and there is now simply no sign of any sort of intelligent awakening ever taking place among the NZ voters. The worse things get, the more scapegoating and class warfare rhetoric will come from the left, the more “eat the rich” taxation and regulations and “redistribution” promises of utopia to be swallowed whole by the voters. We will either end up under IMF/World Bank appointed receiver/managers, or we will become the Cuba of the South Pacific.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:54 am
The government will run right out of taxation revenue AND sources of loan money, but stupid, stupid, stupid Kiwis will never get the connection between this and years of government irresponsibility with spending in good times; they will continue to blame “greedy capitalists”, and wipe out the economy in the process of punishing the greedy capitalists.
October 28th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Phil, more likley Venezuala, without the oil!
October 28th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Phil – Enough with your un-referenced doomsday prophecies! Even under the Labour “Big government” scenario, the overwhelming majority of NZ’s smart, motivated and resourceful people are still in private enterprise and working on their bottom line all day every day. Don’t sell your fellow money-makers short!
October 28th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Don’t be too hard on GrumpyOldHori, I think he has SOME right ideas. You agree, don’t you, Grumpy, that welfarism has ruined Maori, the DPB has ruined the traditional Maori happy family……..the Maori Party is to be commended for facing up to at least some of these realities.
Many of us on this thread could agree with Grumpy on the churning of money by the State back to the middle classes, whether in WFF payments or Mortgage rescue schemes; while low income earners in NZ pay more tax than any other low income earners in the world.
You know, in the USA, there is a lot of what could be described as middle class tax alleviation; around 40% – FORTY PERCENT of American earners pay NO TAX at all once they’ve got all their rebates; BUT THAT INCLUDES ALL THE LOWEST income earners; they don’t have our ridiculous situation where the lowest income earners taxes are essential to the government’s finances. This is of course because they have so many rich people, even at relatively moderate rates of taxation, the top 5% of US earners contribute something like 35% of the total tax take. Increasing the number of “rich people” always does wonders for a country’s finances.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
NZ dollar was high because Japanese households wanted to buy them to get high NZ interest rates. High demand means dollar has high value. Someone had to pay for our enormous Current Account deficit, and Michael/Helen weren’t running to the rescue.
Now suppose Japanese households get a bit nervous and decide they like yen afterall. They sell NZD to buy Yen. Price of NZD falls and price of Yen rises. Adding to the incentive to sell is the depreciating NZ dollar. High interest rates don’t mean anything if this return gets wiped out in conversion. Now if Yen goes up, Japanese economy starts to slide in recession and we sell them less logs and kiwifruit.
So, if nobody wants NZD the price will keep dropping until exports are can generate the forex to pay for our imports. Which means really, really low. So low that we’re practically giving the stuff away. This could be a very brutal shock. Think Mexico or Argentina in early 80s type of shock.
Don’t worry though, Helen and Michael have a plan. Tax and spend until we’re truly fucked and the IMF bailout becomes necessary.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
# alex Masterley (119) Vote: Add rating2 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 11:55 am
“Phil, more likely Venezuela, without the oil!”
And if oil is discovered (southern basin?), we will be “like Venezuela”, period…………
October 28th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
“we will be “like Venezuela”, period”
Whoo hooo! we’re gonna be friends with Iran!!
October 28th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Any oil from that prospect or the one on the east coast won’t come on tap for 10-15 years or until those prospects become economical again.
Also without the processing facilities we will be exactly like Iran, which relies on offshore facilities to process it’s crude.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Last figures on the Current Deficit was that it was 7.1% of GDP and worth $10.3bn.
We paid for it by using money lent to us from other countries. Or when they bought assets like Auckland Airport (whoops, but we didn’t let them).
If foreign households won’t lend us 9-10bn anymore, then basically we will get a few months while forex hedges work through and then have net exports swing around by $9-10 bn. That would need a pretty savage turn around in the exchange rate. Really savage, unless we can sell a few bits and pieces like Auckland Airport or Air NZ to foreigners again. Not going to happen though with Helen and the Hydra.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
OT but funny story: http://www.stuff.co.nz/4741604a11.html
Last week I saw a warning in a regional paper that an Irish gang were going around pulling the old “fell off the back of a truck, half price” scam with some generators. Looks like they tried it in Northland and met a bit of bush justice.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Why we’re stuffed: Ideologies at work
This is an example of the kind of third rate drivel that passes for analysis in this country. For starters there’s no comparative scale of the average wage, so it’s impossible to tell whether the minimum wage has declined because the average wage has gone up, or whether the minimum wage has increased because the average wage has been held down.
I’m suspecting the CTU has left out the crucial piece of data (ie: average wage movement) because it doesn’t fit with their biased agenda.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Chthoniid said:
Why is that? I hadn’t thought of that scenario. I knew that the carry trade unwind was going to be brutal on our dollar, a friend of mine bought a lot of yen last year on this basis but I didn’t think the Japanese would be screwing themselves in the process. I though the fact they had a lot of cash would put them in a powerful position?
October 28th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
GOH.
Key’s actions in helping those who cannot meet mortgage payments as a result of retrenchment will have the effect of retaining as much of our economic base as possible to have NZ better placed when the recovery occurs.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
CraigM (253) 6 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 10:35 am
“So much going on this morning:
Election news
Charity scandal that won’t become one because the media don’t want it too.
Immigration scandal that , well, see above.
Helen lying through her crooked teeth. Again. And getting away with it. Again.
NZ media doing pretty much all they can to make sure labour win the election. (vomit inducing)
But I do love this. A tape of Barack Obama from 2001 talking about his wishes for “wealth redistribution”. Very scary stuff. He dumps on the constitution, then talks about legislation to ensure wealth redistribution becomes a reality.
It will be interesting to see how the MSM deals with this, or will they ignore it?………God help the USA if he follows through on his objective, if elected.”
The media both here and in the USA have reached the pinnacle of their shamelessness in terms of deeply biased promotion of antiChristian liberal socialism. Someone on the Free Republic or Pyjamas commented that 2004 was the year in which the MSM lost the ability to dictate the political agenda in the USA, that was the year in which they didn’t get away with a disgraceful fraudulent smear of President Bush, the filthy swine who were responsible GOT THEIRS courtesy of the “Swift Boaters for Truth”. Sadly, we have not reached that point in NZ yet.
I believe still that 2008 will be the year in which the MSM in the USA will lose something more – I believe that the election result will lead to serious questions being asked just what game they were playing. If McCain/Palin win, and win big, it will be obvious that the MSM were only ever running interference and conducting Psy-Ops for the Obama team, to the extent of producing deliberately falsified poll results. Hopefully this will be their death blow and “New Media” will become the new mainstream.
I still do not believe a man like Obama can possibly become President of the USA. If he does, it will be because the above assessments about the MSM were wrong, and the MSM DID indeed succeed in putting over the scam that is the “moderate”, “reach out”, “inclusive”, “hope for the future”, Barack Hussein Obama. If he does, it will be because the people of the USA had enough of the truth about him concealed from them.
His origins as a red diaper baby and his Muslim father and schooling in Indonesia. His associations with Communist Party of the USA members. His associations with unrepentant ex-Weathermen terrorists. His associations as “community organiser”, with radical Left anti-Western-Christian culture educational and social foundations. The columns he wrote in a radical leftwing rag over several years, that could have come straight from the pen of Chris Trotter. His voting record in the Senate in Illinois and in Washington. The most-Leftwing voting record possible. Not one “bipartisan” activity to his name (unlike McCain who has sponsored numerous pieces of legislation with a Democratic Party Co-sponsor). His associations with “black power” activists/”churchmen” and grievance culture politics. His recorded (on video) unwillingness to sing the National Anthem or salute the flag. His associations with radical Islamists. (Columnist Daniel Pipes writes that Obama would not pass a security clearance if he had applied for a job at a government department).
As Melanie Phillips put it, “pinch me”, if this man is a potential future President of the USA, I must be asleep and having a nightmare.
But if the MSM DO pull this off, they will still lose something as a result. The Obama Presidency will be marked by such disaster for the USA that I suggest that “Nuremberg Trials” will be necessary for the movement that put him into power. One Vidkun Quisling gave his name to posterity when he sold his country to the Nazis. Something similar is happening here, only on a massive scale. It is the neo-Marxist “Long March Through The Institutions” reaching its logical conclusion.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
GDP strikes me as a little simplistic sometimes…
edit: whoops, i mean, in what sense?
October 28th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Don’t forget to vote in TV3’s polls
http://www.decision08.co.nz/Default.aspx
Polls
Who do you think performed better than the others in TVNZ’s minor party leaders debate last night?
Winston Peters
Peter Dunne
Jim Anderton
Rodney Hide
Jeanette Fitzsimons
Tariana Turia
Polls
Do you think that the party that receives the most votes should automatically be able to form the next government?
Yes
No
Don’t know
October 28th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
If yen rises through currency flows, then their exports become less competitive, which given most of their export markets are looking at a recession, not so good. If we’re lucky it won’t be a deep slowdown and the price of NZ exports remains competitive. If we’re not, then think Mexico in early 80s trying to turn around their current account as commodity prices slumped and the OECD went into recession. Massive capital outflows leading to big and savage adjustments to the economy.
October 28th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
The midday news was that CLARK has agreed to the Maori Bottomline of entrenchment of the Maori seats. I just hope KEY does not match it.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
slightlyrighty, you should change that moniker to hard left.
Damn it , you are arguing that people, educated people should not have to take responsibility for their bloody actions when things go tits up.
Your approach is no bloody different to that Labour.
So bloody what if houses lose their so called value, a house is only worth what some bugger is prepared to pay for it.
Lose our economic base, what bullshit, our economic base still rides on the back of the rural sector.
Some sod losing an over priced house on the shore will make no difference to our economic base.
He can still go to work from the tent city.
You seem to be suggesting that some are too important to suffer any hardship.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
gee..!..phil best..
..you really are panicking/hyperventilating/packing it at your 18 months of bullshit obama-defeat predictions being shown to be just that..
..eh..?
..firstoff you regaled us with the inevitabilities of clinton defeating obama..
..then when that all turned to crap..
you crowed how the obama victory over clinton sealed victory for the republicans..
..b.t.w..who do you have earmarked..(sorry..!..palin-joke..!..can’t help myself..!..)..as yr ‘quisling’..?
..and where is that other ‘expert’ on the inevitabilities of an obama defeat..?
..that kiwi in america..?
..he/she has fallen very quiet..
..eh..?
..understandable..tho’..
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 28th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
You’re barking PhilBest, certifiable at the very least. Stick with the nightmare baby because it ‘aint going to get any better for you.
Beware of the men in white coats.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
GOH.
Most mortgage holders will already have taken steps to protect themselves in the form of income protection insurance for mortgages.
How far do want those who do not to fall before they qualify for help? How hard will they have to strive to pull themselves out of the shit when the recovery happens? How badly do you want to see our economic base fall?
You seem to think that some people who have been well off deserve to learn a hard lesson through no fault of their own. These are the people whose work, labour and tax dollars have been used by Labour to help those it deemed worthy. Now times are tough, and that well is getting harder and harder to tap.
The reality is that the global economy is in the shit. It is going to get worse and the economies that best manage the fall to the bottom are going to be better placed when it comes to getting out the other end.
If you think of this grant as less of a hand-out and more of a hand-up you may begin to understand the different philosophies at work between the centre left and the centre right. This is an investment in the future.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
“philu” and Illydois; is this stuff TRUE OR FALSE? I don’t mean, has it been successfully hidden from most people by the MSM, or not. You’re telling people not to believe their own lying eyes? What are you, a dupe (Illydois) or a fellow traveller (philu)?
“…..Obama’s origins as a red diaper baby and his Muslim father and schooling in Indonesia. His associations with Communist Party of the USA members. His associations with unrepentant ex-Weathermen terrorists. His associations as “community organiser”, with radical Left anti-Western-Christian culture educational and social foundations. The columns he wrote in a radical leftwing rag over several years, that could have come straight from the pen of Chris Trotter. His voting record in the Senate in Illinois and in Washington. The most-Leftwing voting record possible. Not one “bipartisan” activity to his name (unlike McCain who has sponsored numerous pieces of legislation with a Democratic Party Co-sponsor). His associations with “black power” activists/”churchmen” and grievance culture politics. His recorded (on video) unwillingness to sing the National Anthem or salute the flag. His associations with radical Islamists. (Columnist Daniel Pipes writes that Obama would not pass a security clearance if he had applied for a job at a government department).”
October 28th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Oh dear. Those US republicans are finally being found out;
“WASHINGTON — Ted Stevens, a pillar of the Senate for 40 years and the face of Alaska politics almost since statehood, was convicted of a seven-felony string of corruption charges Monday _ found guilty of accepting a bonanza of home renovations and fancy trimmings from an oil executive and then lying about it.
Unbowed, even defiant, Stevens accused prosecutors of blatant misconduct and said, “I will fight this unjust verdict with every ounce of energy I have.”
The senator, 84 and already facing a challenging re-election contest next Tuesday, said he would stay in the race against Democrat Mark Begich. Though the convictions are a significant blow for the Senate’s longest-serving Republican, they do not disqualify him, and Stevens is still hugely popular in his home state.
The jury _ itself a daily drama, trying to expel one of its own members _ convicted Stevens of all the felony charges he faced, accusations based heavily on the testimony of a wealthy oil contractor who for years had been a fishing and drinking buddy.”
October 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
While you’re here, philu, I’ve been looking out for you, you haven’t been so active on here lately, what’s up? Other duties pressing as the election gets closer, eh?
I want to ask you, have you seen the stuff about you in Trevor Loudon’s article on the Greens in the latest “Investigate” Magazine? I quote: “Green Party Blogger (since expelled) Philip U…….” He then quotes at length a posting you apparently made about Commies taking over the Green Party, which I found quite commendable. Did you really write that, philu, or who are you and what have you done with the guy who used to post as Philip U on whoar.co.nz?
…….Do tell…..!
October 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
PhilBest, yep welfareism has done nothing for Maoridom.
Both the major parties have done sod all to sort out the intergenerational ride of too many Maori families on the welfare bus.
Both major parties find it easier to throw welfare money at the problem.
What are the chances of a young person being productive if he grows up believing benefit day to be pay day as if he has earned that money.
They could build more Dilworth type schools, but that will not happen while we have social workers whining that a persons skin colour decides if he has the ability to learn.
Being an evil sod I would like to see Hone in charge of Maori welfare, money should not be handed over if it has not been earned.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
anyone interested in the Obama scandal?
its all over the net and on fox news.. other media outlets yet to pick it up.
basically its an audio recording of Obama talking about his “redistribution of wealth” philosophy.
oh, he also compares the US to nazi germany…
good luck US! vote him in.. will be funny
October 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
PhilBest:
What’s the colour of his diapers got to do with anything?
What’s his fathers religion got to do with anything?
What’s the fact that he spent some time in Indonesia as a child got to do with anything?
The rest is Republican rhetoric (or utter crap) and he’s answered many many times. Can’t you use google yet?
October 28th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Slightlyrightly, you are wrong. Income protection insurance does not cover redundancy. Only accident or illness.
Nobody who is made redundant or is fired or resigns is going to face foreclosure in the short term. The first port of call is to report one’s changed circumstances to one’s lender and ask for temporary relief from mortgage repayments. This would usually be granted by way of deferred of capitalised interest for say three months. Lenders do not want to foreclose and in fact will bend over backwards to avoid foreclosure.
However it should be noted that borrowers whose current property values are less than their outstanding loans will not have any leeway. They should either sell their homes immediately and cut their losses or determine to sit tight for two years and make their loan repayments. If they lose their jobs and do not quickly find new employment then they are in trouble and I would expect it will be these people to whom some assistance might be offered.
This is an excellent initiative from National and, on it’s own, highlights the stark difference between the dead hand of Labour and the enlightened and skilled approach of National. It is a political master stroke.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
you have been peddling/repeating the same bullshit/well-refuted/discounted (american) rightwing ‘talking points’ for some time now..eh.?
..just repeating them over and over..
..even condensing them into a stream-of-conciousness..
..dosen’t make them any more ‘credible’/believable..
..eh..?
‘fellow-travellers’..eh.?
..you really are quite quaint/a-man-out-of-his-time..?
..wot with yr 50’s cold-war warrior-rhetoric..?
..and all..?
..eh..?
..phil(whoar.co.nz)
October 28th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
More bloody lefties?
“US authorities have arrested two white supremacists for threatening to kill Democrat Barack Obama during a “killing spree” of African-Americans, court records showed.
The two men planned to kill 88 people and decapitate 14 African-Americans, before assassinating Senator Obama while dressed in tuxedos and top hats, the documents revealed.
Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman were arrested last Wednesday (US time) in Tennessee for possession of firearms and threats against a candidate running for president, the documents from the Memphis court showed.
The men discussed a “killing spree to include targeting a predominantly African-American school … they further stated that their final act of violence would be to attempt to assassinate presidential candidate Barack Obama,” Brian Weaks, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told the court.”
October 28th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
I’ve been giving JK’s ‘bail-out’ package some thought and the more I consider it, I feel that it’s aimed at easing the blow for a lot of the bloated PS sector, whom over the coming months (under a National govt), can expect to see a steady stream of: DON’T COME MONDAY letters!
At least that’s what I’d like to see happen!
October 28th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
redeye – ive said it before and ill say it again.. there are nutjobs on both sides.
problem is – your leftist nutjob mates are more dangerous!
oh yeah – no comment on obama the redistributor of wealth? lol
October 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
slightlyrighty, you seem to be trying to prove my point.
People will be getting in the crap because they do not have income protection insurance.
Often these will be the people who have had a lot of tax payer money spent on them for education.
But, they will still be in the minus column when one compares what they have paid in tax and what they have received from other taxpayers.
So would it be a fair go for only those who are well in credit to the tax man to receive help ?
People like myself ?
Me centre left, I doubt it, put me down in the bloody minded party.
You will notice people going on about how welfare is wrong, until whoops, might need some of that taxpayer loot.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Looking into the near future, should he win the election, I predict Obama being assasinated within the first 6 months of office. Should this eventuate, does anyone see Binden being capable of stepping up to the role of Commander in Chief? Not that I believe Obama is really capable of the role either.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
DAMNEDANGRY – Biden will be fine handling the pressure… sure, he cant handle it when he gets asked tough questions and any tv station that does so never gets to interview him again… but he will be fine.
grumpy – youre having a go at subsidised education now? lol
October 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
LOL. Anti western Christian! He is christian you idiot. And as Colin Powell noted if he was a muslim so what? Since when did that disqualify one from aspiring to the presidency?
If you are going to dribble out complete crap expect to be called on it or else the men in white coats really will take you away.
Once Obama’s in power you will have no show of avoiding them! Be very afraid. I heard he has a secret army of drones waiting for the signal, 2nd Tuesday in November they will be activated and all Republican supporters will be annihalated.
Woo hoo.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
GrumpyOldHori at 1.00PM, you continue to say things occasionally that I can agree with, and I think a lot of others of the real right-wingers on here would agree with you too.
There is a lot of moral hazard being created by this endless bailout syndrome. The difference between a high risk investment and a low risk investment becomes almost meaningless if the State implicitly stands behind any and all activity in the finance sector in the event of an financial crisis. People need to be taught a lesson now, to be more careful with money they have got to invest. Investments need to go to the solid part of the economy, the productive sector, instead of inflating on paper, the value of assetts like houses that are not part of the productive sector at all.
The problem, GrumpyOldHori, with people who want their own home to live in, in a ballooning market, the cost, whether of buying or renting, steadily increases. Therefore, there is a strong incentive to “get on board the train” by buying a house, before the prices, and hence rentals, increase more. Saving up to buy the house is also not viable if prices go up faster than most people can save money.
Do you realise what the underlying problem is? If we could buy land at the price at which it sells as farmland, we could have ourselves affordable homes. Economist Thomas Sowell actually calls restrictions on land for housing development “Green ‘Disparate Impact’” because it impacts most severely on the lowest income earners and prices more and more people out of homes whether owned or rented.
We should not be attempting to keep house prices inflated and bailing out people with mortgages, we should be giving people who cannot afford their mortgage, a home at a price at which they CAN afford it. The only obstacles to this are political obstacles. Furthermore, the consequences of keeping house prices inflated and providing taxpayer funded assistance with mortgage costs, will merely cause a worse bubble and crash further down the track at an even bigger cost to the taxpayer.
Study this up, GrumpyOldHori, and keep fighting for what is right. I think you are a different type to the pathological socialist likes of RogerNome, I think you really can see sense on a lot of issues.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Dime: may as well quote one of your own
“Taxes are always a redistribution of wealth.”
General Colin Powell
October 28th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Aarrrgghh!!!
Philu is back, awoken from his drug-induced coma, and is spewing more of the mavelous Liarbour vomit.
Keep it up Philu, we actually enjoy your sporting side……….(gag)
October 28th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Redeye,
where he was born and who/what his Father is was is just smoke screen stuff, it really isn’t important. What is important is the beliefs of the man himself. His words & his actions have been, and even though tempered for the elections still are, anti-American, anti democracy.
In the interests of being open minded, listen to the tape. I posted a link to it earlier (at 10.35 to help with your scrolling).
Then come back and tell me that he isn’t a communist & racist at heart.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
“You will notice people going on about how welfare is wrong, until whoops, might need some of that taxpayer loot”
Surely that is what welfare is for. It’s there to help you out when you need it. I would say especially so if you have paid taxes all your life and then fall on hard times.
It is not supposed to be a career choice.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
lloydois (120) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating1 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
“LOL. Anti western Christian! He is christian you idiot. And as Colin Powell noted if he was a muslim so what? Since when did that disqualify one from aspiring to the presidency?”
Oh, Jeremiah Wright is a Christian and his church is a christian church???? Or is it only “fundamentalist” Christian churches that will be de facto disenfranchised by the antiChristian media?
If he is a Muslim so what? The “so what” is, if we KNEW, he would not be elected.
I stand by what I am saying. Obama would not be elected if the MSM so much as actually covered things that Obama himself said and did and stands for. I know that to lefty stooges like redeye, stuff that Obama wrote in a weekly column in the 1990’s are not a problem, because lefty stooges agree with those things, just like they agree with Chris Trotter’s writings. My point is that the MSM as lefty stooges themselves 1) have no difficulty with those things BUT 2) they know MOST Americans DO have a problem with those things, so they keep them “buried”. This is the height of dishonesty on their part.
October 28th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
CraigM, that is just one video. That is like a tip of the iceberg. Are you aware of the weekly column Obama wrote for a lefty rag in the 1990’s? No? Welcome to the Orwellian world that is “informed” by the “Mainstream” media in the year 2008.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Stanley Kurtz is to Obama what Ian Wishart is to Helen Clark. Google these articles by Stanley Kurtz, in fact, I am almost certainly out of date, chase up what he is writing more recently too:
“NYT’s Ayers-Obama Whitewash”
“Obama’s Dangerous Pals”
“Inside Obama’s ACORN”
“Planting the Seeds of Disaster”
“Barack Obama’s Lost Years”
“Spreading The Virus”
“No Liberation”
“Wright 101″
October 28th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Redeye – Mr Powell is no longer one of my own.
great defence of obama… les not worry about context or anything.
go listen to the tape.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
lefty stooges?
Can’t you hard right types have a debate without name calling or is that all you’ve got?
As I’ve said before, apply your own standards to your own team and see how they come out.
Too many Republicans have now endorsed Obama for him to be that dreaded marxist you are making him out to be
Britain’s Financial Times newspaper, which has bigger paid circulation in the United States than its home country, offered its endorsement to Sen. Barack Obama. yesterday
October 28th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
“Middle class welfare
What the hell is Key doing with his idea that those who bought an expensive house should have their payments meet if they lose their jobs.”
The same reason Labour thinks giving money to working families. Why didn’t they plan for a family like everyone else eh?
October 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
The MSM’s behaviour over Obama is so bad that they are even taking past articles off their website archives, articles concerning Obama’s past activities and connections that they might have reported approvingly at the time, but that they know would be damaging to him now. Read Stanley Kurtz and follow his links to other commentators who have found this and other similar occurrences of cover-ups of the past.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
PHILU: DID YOU MISS THIS?
# PhilBest (3299) 0 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
“While you’re here, philu, I’ve been looking out for you, you haven’t been so active on here lately, what’s up? Other duties pressing as the election gets closer, eh?
I want to ask you, have you seen the stuff about you in Trevor Loudon’s article on the Greens in the latest “Investigate” Magazine? I quote: “Green Party Blogger (since expelled) Philip U…….” He then quotes at length a posting you apparently made about Commies taking over the Green Party, which I found quite commendable. Did you really write that, philu, or who are you and what have you done with the guy who used to post as Philip U on whoar.co.nz?
…….Do tell…..!”
No answer…….?
October 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
PhilBest I would go further than you on this issue.
Land is just another commodity and like another commodity their is a shortage prices will soar.
As you said, there is no shortage of bloody land, just a shortage of common bloody sense by too many bloody politicians, in this case the blame can be sheeted home to labour.
The answer of course is simple, we get a far greater return from urban areas in GDP for the same area than what we do from farmland.
Going on from that, all the state housing areas where there is still a lot of state owned housing.
Move those old state houses out, sell half the land to developers, then use that money to build terrace type housing, both state and private.
A win win situation, one gets a hell of a lot more housing, at no/low cost to the state.
Don’t like a terrace house to rent, tough
It has been done in Melbourne where they built these terrace homes around a grass square of an acre.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
redeye – “Too many Republicans have now endorsed Obama for him to be that dreaded marxist you are making him out to be” haha got a list handy?
did you listen to the tape?
heres the difference between the left and right.
right wing politician example – donna from ACT!… did bad things, fraud etc. end result – kicked out of party, thrown in jail.
left wing politician – pick from a bunch of labour ministers.. end result. they didnt do it. never admit a leftist could make a mistake. give examples of how some right wing person did the same thing (even if its 50 years ago). deny, deny.
maybe if the left could admit mistakes every so often, they wouldnt be such a joke.
then again, i guess it is a result of defending policies that dont make sense, year after year.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
You’re beyond help PhilBest. Just take a bex and have a good lie down sweetie. You’re going to need it after next Wednesday.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
grumpy opines,
“Largest major party should form government ? What the hell is Key on, making out that the major party that gets the most
votes has a moral mandate to be the government.”
The latest poll shows that 79% of the nation agrees with him.
“A lot of voters on the Maori roll have not forgotten the race card played by
the Nats in 05, that Key went along with.”
Equality of citizenship is not a “race card”.
Also, you claim you may vote for the Libertarianz, most of whom think Maori culture is primitive tribal nonsense.
You seem very confused.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
The problem is that can (and mostly will) get people in government that over half the country didn’t want.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
SO how might this work?
Let’s suppose there is a method of triage that lets through the truly needy, ie. those with a mortgage who can’t survive and pay all the bills on $220 per week including housing allowance. Here’s one way it could go.
1. The RB purchases the mortgage from the lender for the book value excluding unpaid interest.
2. The RB holds the mortgage and charges no interest until the borrower is back in work.
3. The RB sells the mortgage, including a capitalised charge for interest at ITS cost of borrowing, to a retail lender
as a result
The lender is better off than it wold have been, because a mortgagee sale would not have met the outstanding balance and the cost of bankruptcy proceedings for an unemployed person are a waste of time.
The RB is no worse off
The borrower is better of as they still have a home and the interest cost is a reality of saving that home.
The housing market is better off as there are few mortgagee sales, so prices stay higher than otherwise
The nation is better off, as we haven’t had to house the borrower’s family after they were evicted by their first lender
Seems a rational option for me, with no ‘real’ welfare, just a form of fiscally neutral bridging support.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
A good series of discussions this afternoon….
Adolf – bang on.
Clearly the most vicious moral of the present financial crises facing the planet is “living on debt with no leeway.”
How this is played out politically is, while facinating, also crucial to the future success of our economy and as SlightlyRightly points out, those that are best equipped to manage the fall is what is important right now.
Ironically NZ’s position and timing could not be better, we have an election to get it right.
And get it right we must
October 28th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Would you ever see anything like this from the limp socialist lamers who call themselves the media in NZ??
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/27/video-megyn-kelly-goes-nuclear-on-obama-stooge/
October 28th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
“You’re beyond help PhilBest. Just take a bex and have a good lie down sweetie. You’re going to need it after next Wednesday.”
Go way you small child. Just so pathetic. Phil provides the information you have no answer to, and you’ve just proved it.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Hey Adolf, while the topic is live, do you think we will see here what happened in Oz during the last downturn in house prices seeing as how the mortgage market is dominated y Australian managed banks.
As it was told to me by one who was affected, the first step was that the banks were mighty unwilling to take the actual losses on overcapitalised homes into their balance sheets and were as co-operative as hell to help the homeowner re-arrange his finances.
They would even help complete renovations, offer budgeting advice and be really nice etc all the while encouraging the homeowner to get the mortgage value down to the new market value. Once they knew that the mortgage was secure they started lowering the boom in a wholesale manner and forced sales in order to get their liquidity back up a bit. Those who had busted their asses to save their homes were the hardest hit as a result.
This may have been because in turn they were being pressured by those who had lent to them. It was though, followed inevitably by a push to lend the newly found cash and away it went again.
Moral of the story – owe the bank far more than they could possibly recover by selling you up, you will remain their best friend only so long as they need to keep you solvent.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Assuming he wins, Obama will not last a full term. His policies and those of the Congressional Dems (such as the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ which is a thinly disguised attempt to shut down independent right wing media, and laws to restrict gun ownership) will lead to civil war.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Lee, so 79% believe the Nats should go into coalition with those primitive tribal types as you put it.
So will the Nats entrench those primitive tribal seats as labour will do, or would they prefer to stay in opposition ?
You see one thing about the Nats, they seem to have a lot of immigrant idiots who manage to put their feet in their mouths.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Sorry Redebaiter but if you believe his drivel you’re just as retarded and delusional as he is. But then we knew that. I just love the way you come across all serious and patronising whilst your belief system has clearly collapsed around your very small brain, completely clueless as to the changed political landscape unfolding before your eyes.
If you are as smart as you think you are you’d realise what a fruit loop PhilBest is.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Dime asked : “did you listen to the tape? ”
I’m picking a big “no” from Redeye on that one. Once you listen to the tape, there is no defending its content. That would put Redeye in an embarrassing situation, so best not to listen and continue to pretend it doesn’t exist.
Lloydois: suggesting PhilB needs a lie down is all fine and good, but it would be nice if you were to come up with a comment on the topic, or does the above apply to you also? just easier to pretend what you don’t like doesn’t exist. It is simpler to make personal attacks than to defend the indefensible isn’t it?
I really would love to hear someone defend Obama’s comments on that tape. Of course that means admitting that you are a communist/marxist which is not easy to do, even in this socialist la la land.
just wondering.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
“Phil provides the information you have no answer to, and you’ve just proved it.”
awww! – wasn’t that a touching moment? redbaiter reaching out for fellow wing-nut philbest’s hand in reassurance. Just goes to show, you can’t stand on your own two feet. You have to hold someone else’s hand. What ever happened to individual responsibility? You’re a weak-minded tool redbaiter – so typical of a socialist.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
“Lee, so 79% believe the Nats should go into coalition with those primitive tribal types as you put it.”
Confused again. I didin’t put it that way, the party your going to vote for has, many times. Lying yet again aren’t you.
“So will the Nats entrench those primitive tribal seats as labour will do”
Labour has said they are opposed to doing so. Try to keep up.
October 28th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
“If you are as smart as you think you are you’d realise what a fruit loop PhilBest is.”
“You’re a weak minded tool redbaiter ”
Sounds to me like the left are the group that is losing it. Cant take the heat of truth. Never could. Never will.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Redeye: “Can’t you hard right types have a debate without name calling or is that all you’ve got?”
llyodois:
“If you are as smart as you think you are you’d realise what a fruit loop PhilBest is.”
& “but if you believe his drivel you’re just as retarded and delusional as he is.”
Roger:
“You’re a weak minded tool redbaiter….. ”
REDEYE: suggest you talk to your fellow travellers. Pot, kettle, black and all that….
That is all.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
david
“so long as they need to keep you solvent” has benefits in the transactional housing market but when sales become infrequent and recession strikes as it has, non performing loans loam and mortgagee sales must follow irrespective of whether you’re a Ozzie bank manger or not:)
This financial crisis will create the worst property market correction seen in NZ which will become evident in the next 12-24 months.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Damn IRD website giving me grief today!!!
October 28th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Anyone else seen the headline on Drudge? The MM have totallly fucked themselves big time and will never recover from the damage to their credibility that their unrelenting pro-Obama propaganda has caused them. Good riddance. Damn soviet style liars, Stalinists and disciples of Goebbells who have brought the craft of journalism into utter disrepute.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
PS- Keep up the good work Phil B- truth to the left, whose life blood is propaganda, is like a wooden stake through the heart of a vampire.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Wreck1080,
I’m getting no response from the server. Looks like their end.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
wreck1080 – i can’t access ird either. i’m at the end of a TelstraClear cable connection in wellington. perhaps civil case where i sue ird for mental distress caused by not being able to pay my tax
October 28th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
“CraigM ”
it’s called parody dumbarse.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
“John McCain calls this socialism, I call it opportunity,”
HAHAHAHA
those poor poor yanks!
i wonder how many middle to upper class white kids will vote for this clown. brainwashed on their “wealthy” parents DIME.
can you imagine the look on some of the faces in a years time when they get their paycheck… “what the fuck??? wheres it all gone???”
October 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.”
“It is not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everyone who is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it is good for everyone.”
(how old is this guy? 14?
“The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society … and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that. … I think that you can craft legal theoretical justifications for it legally, any three of us here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.”
October 28th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
“it’s called parody dumbarse.”
Haha, now that’s funny. (unintentionally so) Parody requires wit and intelligence and a real sense of humour, characteristics that you have frequently demonstrated you completely lack. Your remarks are just dull unintelligent left wing spite motivated by hate and intolerance. Nothing even close to parody. You’re so superficial you’re airborne.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
“…just to take a, sort of a realist perspective…there’s a lot of change going on outside of the Court, um, that, that judges essentially have to take judicial notice of. I mean you’ve got World War II, you’ve got uh, uh, uh, the doctrines of Nazism, that, that we are fighting against, that start looking uncomfortably similar to what we have going on, back here at home.”
funny how the head sociliast is always a multi millionaire
October 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
I am with Telecom ADSL.
I phoned IRD , and they say the IRD Website is working perfectly and the problem must be with my PC (even though I explained other websites are working OK). I see it is working a little better now (front page is loading), but my online gst return is still not going through.
But, it is interesting to see others are also having problems with their PC’s.
Can someone try this webpage…
https://www.ird.govt.nz/cgi-bin/form.cgi?form=gst103
October 28th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
At the rate JK and Crazy Clark are going Im going to be one of the few who doesnt qualify for welfare.
No mortgage No dependent children at home Not old enough to get the OAP. Geeez just taxed to hell to pay for every other bastard
October 28th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
grumpyoldhori (348) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
“PhilBest I would go further than you on this issue.
Land is just another commodity and like another commodity their is a shortage prices will soar.
As you said, there is no shortage of bloody land, just a shortage of common bloody sense by too many bloody politicians, in this case the blame can be sheeted home to labour.
The answer of course is simple, we get a far greater return from urban areas in GDP for the same area than what we do from farmland.
Going on from that, all the state housing areas where there is still a lot of state owned housing.
Move those old state houses out, sell half the land to developers, then use that money to build terrace type housing, both state and private.
A win win situation, one gets a hell of a lot more housing, at no/low cost to the state.
Don’t like a terrace house to rent, tough….”
Thanks, Grumpy. Nice to be able to agree on something. By the way, did you know that Housing NZ is looking at knocking down some of their blocks of flats and building houses because they have a shortage of houses but THEIR CLIENTS DON’T WANT TO LIVE IN FLATS?
Also by the way, NZ’s land use for housing is 1.4%. The ratio of average income to average house price is 6.3. Germany has 15% of their land in housing and yet their average income to average house price is 3.0. The difference is the readiness with which Germany’s regulations allow land to be used for housing.
Saudi Arabia COULD sell Oil for $20 per barrell and still make a profit. They choose to jack the price and restrict supply. The same applies to the price of land in NZ. The urban use of land would hardly be relevant if there were not zoning restrictions, you would find that the price of urban land would drop much closer to the price of farmland. I am not sure what you mean about the “return” on land; most housing has no “return” at all to owners, they live in it; wheras a farm DOES earn an income for its owner. Maybe land with a factory on it earns a higher return than farmland does, but you would still find that if this zoning was abolished, the result would be that commercial land would drop in value to closer to the value of farmland, farmland wouldn’t rise in value to match commercial land.
All this is a classic illustration of the unintended consequences of government interference in our lives.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Also – what do you die-hard neoliberals think about National’s socialist plans to substantially up the dole for middle class people who find themselves out of a job during the next few years? Sounds a bit ad hoc to me. Why not put an emphasis on providing jobs for them to get into, rather than making dependent on the state for income?
It’s so irrational, hypocritical and populist it could be a Winston Peters scheme. Love it!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/4740971a28435.html
October 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Truth is one of the “good ole boys” will have a bullet through Obama before the bible at the inauguration has gone cold from hand print.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
“it’s called parody dumbarse”; do you say that to the cracked mirror every morning roger nomer? I see you “Love it!”, what do you mean, cracking mirrors or playing the dumbo lefty troll, or both?
October 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
dime (529) Vote: Add rating1 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
“I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.”
“It is not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everyone who is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it is good for everyone.”
“(how old is this guy? 14?”
Dime, a socialist is someone suffering from arrested development. They stopped developing a capacity for grasping observable realities of life, at 14 on average.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
wreck1080
It is ……. very , very slow. (insert IR joke here)
Don’t think it’s you, it’s the site.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Also – what do you die-hard neoliberals think about National’s socialist plans to substantially up the dole for middle class people who find themselves out of a job during the next few years? Sounds a bit ad hoc to me. Why not put an emphasis on providing jobs for them to get into, rather than making dependent on the state for income?
It’s so irrational, hypocritical and populist it could be a Winston Peters scheme. Love it!
October 28th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
wreck1080 – Still problematic. I know of a Wgtn-hosted site that was hit with a well distributed denial-of-service attack over the weekend. I wonder if IRD are being hit?
Edit: Page did load. very slow and 3 previous attempts failed.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Roger; “it’s called parody dumbarse.”
point proven. Thank you.
Well done RN. Two posts today and you still haven’t said anything.
October 28th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
“a socialist is someone suffering from arrested development. ”
Well said PhilBest, can someone arrest roger nome and try to develop a sane person?
October 28th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Hey dad. You just realised that the left’s going to win its fourth consecutive election? You seem hurt?
October 28th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
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AXA freezes three mortgage funds.
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October 28th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
wreck1080 (138) Vote: Add rating 0 Subtract rating 0 Says:
October 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
” I am with Telecom ADSL.
I phoned IRD , and they say the IRD Website is working perfectly and the problem must be with my PC (even though I explained other websites are working OK). I see it is working a little better now (front page is loading), but my online gst return is still not going through. ”
Took about 5 minutes before it loaded the main site, on the link you gave it produced and error code, probably undergoing some maintenance or maybe the IRD are broke and can’t afford the Bandwidth charges! that would make me lol.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
The ird customer services person contacted their IT people and they maintain things are running perfectly………..
Thanks for checking, I am right, yet, I am still wrong according to IRD
October 28th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Of course you are wreck1080. It’s called the inverse rule of customer power, it was invented by a taxman and I wouldn’t be surprised if he has become the patron saint of taxmen worldwide.
October 28th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Typical Palin supporter ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9T0FI2axbU
Good thing she stopped her ranting to admonish that person,
whoops, nope, scratch that.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
democracymum: this blog may interest you
http://christianclassicalliberalist.wordpress.com/
October 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Heard a democrat talking to Larry Williams this arvo. He said the Republicans were inciting violence against Obambi. The main culprit is Sarah Palin. He was absolutely astounded when Sarah had the audacity to call Obambi a socialist just because of the way he wanted to use the tax system to redistribute wealth. What a terrible accusation!!! A SOCIALIST! You only get them in Eurabia.
October 28th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
The Standard has pointed out that now Brownlee has been caught out owning undisclosed shareholdings in companies at the same time as he was asking all sorts of questions in the house about said company’s profitability…
National looks more and more like a pretty tight little Shareholder’s Club, looking after their investments, but oh no Helen’s the only corrupt one we want to talk about here
October 28th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Typical Obama supporter?
http://www.reuters.com/article/sarahPalin/idUSTRE49Q79N20081027
Plus: ‘The Coming Obama Thugocracy’
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjUwZWIwZTNhY2Y0YTFkYzFmZTIyZWUwZWNkYjk4ZGM=
October 28th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Brownlee had 600 shares in Contact Energy. This equals about $5000. Surely a Labour MP must own some as well, if not directly, then through a managed fund.
Equally corrupt are the many Labour MPs who invested in residential property in the vein hope of making their millions. Their actions contributed to inappropriately high property prices and high interest rates.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
ONE News has just shot Winston’s Firsts campaign DEAD!!!!
He will not pass the 5% threshold now.
Roll on Nov 8!!!
October 28th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Ratbiter,
why don’t Labour MP’s disclose their shares hmmm???
October 28th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
helenswhatever:
$5000 is not nothing. And using your position in the house to try and achieve some personal monetary gain for yourself is corruption. Or perhaps it is not, in your eyes?
But I think it’s mainly the lies that are the issue. You know – Winston=liar, lies=bad, and all of that?
October 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Lee. Listen to what Clark said. She nipped it in the bud when she “heard of the donations” – She killed it last year!
October 28th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Lee – for example…?
October 28th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
“$5000 is not nothing”
In terms of shares it’s bugger all of nothing.
“lies=bad”
You mean like Helen Clark’s lie in a 2005 interview where she said she would NOT ban spanking?
And as far as corruption goes, exactly how long did she know about the Winston-Owen Glenn affair that is not being revealed???
Kinda slow about disclosing this to the media wasn’t she
October 28th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
The poodle has been bitten on the arse by the Owen Glenn saga again. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer fella!
How many times does this bugger have to be caught out lying before all the voters realize what a phoney he is?
October 28th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
“She killed it last year!”
And failed to tell the SFO, and the Privileges Committee, and the media……. and continued to “fail” to mention it when this all blew up in Winstons face!!!!
Oh yeah, shes REAL trustworthy!!!
October 28th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Lee – It’s about $5000 more than I can make by abusing any position of public trust that I’ve been elected to!
I like my elected representatives to be developing policies for the good of the country, not for the good of their Family Trusts, thank very much.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
“I like my elected representatives to be developing policies for the good of the country”
Or the good of billionaire’s Owen Glenn right??? If Hulun cared one bit about “the good of the country” she would take the principled stand that John Key has and refuse to work with the criminal and corrupt Winston Peters.
But Hulun believes that ANY corrupt sleaze bag is just fine as long as he gets her back in power!!!
Oh yeah, she REALLY cares about the “good of the country”!!!
October 28th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Lee, are you a subject of HM, sorry, make that are you a NZ citizen ?
If you are not, should you not abide by US rules ?
Not a citizen, no vote.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Clark is doing whatever she can to keep her government together as long as the term allows, to further their – mandated – policy programme.
As far as I am aware no-one has found any grounds to suspect she is working on the value of her shares every time she stands up in the house.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Ratbiter’s version of the “good of the country”.
Over 80% of the country is opposed to banning smacking.
Hulun’s response???
“The United Nations told me to”.
Oh yeah, Hulun really believes in whats good for the country!!!!!
The only thing Hulun believes in is whatever gets her a job at the UN when shes tossed out of the beehive on Nov 8 !!!
October 28th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
There’s got to be some irony in quoting Matt Drudge’s page while whinging about dishonesty.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Grumpy,
I abide by the NZ rules thanks!!! Thats because I pay taxes here.
Taxpayers have the right to vote.
You claim that your voting for the Libertarianz, and the policy of the LIbs is that ALL taxpayers have the right to vote. Abide by your OWN rules.
So stick that where the light don’t shine cuzzy bro
October 28th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Ah, so Winston did offer an honorary consol role to Glenn.
Peters is pathological liar.
Be gone from our political landscape you festering pile of corruption.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
“Clark is doing whatever she can to keep her government together”
Power for powers sake. Bugger the good of the country eh???
October 28th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
You missed out the good bit: “to further their – mandated – policy programme.” Typical Kiwiblog commentator. Very selective with your quotes, to make sure they get your meaning not mine.
Seems to me they were voted in to govern until the next election, and that’s what they’ve tried to do. If you want to maintain somehow that Clark is into power for powers’ sake, you might have to sell me that idea…
October 28th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
“Ah, so Winston did offer an honorary consol role to Glenn.”
Yup! And “trust me” Hulun FAILED TO TELL ANYONE.
Oops!
October 28th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Oh and grump,
if you feel free to attack Sarah Palin and comment about US politics why don’t you follow your own rules. Move there and pay taxes!!!
I at least pay taxes here.
But of course everyone here knows your a hypocritical coward spouting conveniant double standards.
When you gonna come out of the closet and reveal that your really voting Labour?
October 28th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
“you missed out the good bit: “to further their – mandated – policy programme.” ”
Because that part of your statement was dishonest political spin.
And there was nothing “mandated” about it. Most kiwis at the last election did not vote for Labour.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.
Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you
get the right to interfere in our elections ?
They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise
the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.
Cuzzy bro, oh please, you will be trying to rant that you rant on the marae
next.
October 28th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
“Most kiwis at the last election did not vote for Labour.”
Here’s the thing with MMP: The most votes governs. It’s not all about National vs Labour any more. Perhaps this isn’t the way democracy is supposed to be, in your mind?
October 28th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
“Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.”
Nope. I have lived here since the 1970’s.
“Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you get the right to interfere in our elections ?”
When in Rome
I ha[ppen to believe that all taxpayers should have the right to vote. But you have once again proved yourself a coward and failed to answer my question. What gives YOU the right to spew hate at Sarah Palin when you do not even have the decency to move there and pay tax???
Pathetic hypocrite.
“They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.”
Ah yes, when you have no brain, and no intelligent argument to make, resort to schoolyard level abuse!!!
Unlike you hori, I take my right to vote seriously. I will not be wasting it on a party that has no chance of getting into power, while sitting on my hori ass and spewing abuse at anyone who does.
The moral reason I should be allowed to vote is because lazy, self-centred armchair whiners like you hate your country so much your throwing a proxy vote to Labour!
October 28th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
Finally got my online GST return done.
IRD have to take a serious look at their online services if they expect people to use them. What have they been spending their money on?
October 28th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Media Consultants apparently.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Someone must have forgotten about their attempt banning a decent shower.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Edit. This line of argument is getting out of hand.
Grumpy, you wanna debate the issues fine. You wanna question my right to vote, come and see me in person.
October 28th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens and whose
country does not give equality in voting rights, to vote.
And since kiwis do not get the right to vote in the US even if they are paying
taxes I believe it is only fair that it should be the same for ALL Americans resident in NZ.
And that applies to all countries who do not give reciprocal voting rights for
kiwis who are residents and paying taxes
This is one issue where I believe NZ is too liberal.
October 28th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
“Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens”
Fair enough. But I don’t care.
I pay taxes, and I believe in taxpayers rights. Moreover, I have lived here, paid taxes here, and contributed to my community for nearly thirty years. Every morning, five days a week I get up an hour earlier than I need to to go to my church to help make lunches for the kids (mostly Maori) who turn up to school hungry. I contribute, I pay taxes and that along with the current NZ law, gives me the right.
You don’t like the law? Get it changed. You don’t like the US law? Move there and pay taxes. Until then stop questioning my legal rights.
I feel I have earned my right to have a say. Your entitled to your view on the issue, but constantly bringing it up on threads that are completely unrelated to that issue merely to attack me is bullshit.
Plus, I get back to the issue that you feel you have the right to spew hate against Sarah Palin when you do not contribute ANYTHING to the USA.
October 28th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Lee
Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin. Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians. We’re all going to be paying for their blunders.
You certainly are one angry Christian.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
More goose-neck crap journalism, this time from NZ Herald.
“National leader John Key is sticking by his decision to rule out New Zealand First from any National-led government, despite a new poll showing over a quarter of National voters want him to rethink his stance.”
Despite? It’s hardly an overwhelming fecking majority!
If any party brings in a policy banning polytechnics from running journalism courses, they will get my vote.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don’t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn’t start to feel like… an idiot.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don’t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn’t you start to feel like… an idiot.
October 28th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Wreck1080 – agreed. In the probably knowledge that they won’t I’d suggest that you file your return earlier and pre-schedule any payment via on-line banking. I’ve had a run-in with IRD after doing this from overseas at the 11th hour and it’s painful.
October 29th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
redeye,
“Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin.”
I seriously doubt “half”. But certainly a lot of Marxists, lefties, and Muslims are. I don’t take such people seriously.
“Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians.”
Not while your own country is run by a corrupt and criminal regime.
“We’re all going to be paying for their blunders.”
No your going to be paying for Helen and Cullen’s blunders.
“You certainly are one angry Christian.”
Righteous anger? Hell yes! Perhaps you just not used to someone who stands up for themselves and does not roll over when ignorant anti-American/Republican propaganda is trotted out by people trying to divert attention from the crimes of the Clark regime.