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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-502178</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 01:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>redeye,

&quot;Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin.&quot;

I seriously doubt &quot;half&quot;. But certainly a lot of Marxists, lefties,  and Muslims  are. I don&#039;t take such people seriously.

&quot;Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians.&quot;

Not while your own country is run by a corrupt and criminal regime.

&quot;We’re all going to be paying for their blunders.&quot;

No your going to be paying for Helen and Cullen&#039;s blunders. 

&quot;You certainly are one angry Christian.&quot;

Righteous anger? Hell yes! Perhaps you just not used to someone who stands up for themselves and does not roll over when ignorant anti-American/Republican propaganda is trotted out by people trying to divert attention from the crimes of the Clark regime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>redeye,</p>
<p>&#8220;Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin.&#8221;</p>
<p>I seriously doubt &#8220;half&#8221;. But certainly a lot of Marxists, lefties,  and Muslims  are. I don&#8217;t take such people seriously.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not while your own country is run by a corrupt and criminal regime.</p>
<p>&#8220;We’re all going to be paying for their blunders.&#8221;</p>
<p>No your going to be paying for Helen and Cullen&#8217;s blunders. </p>
<p>&#8220;You certainly are one angry Christian.&#8221;</p>
<p>Righteous anger? Hell yes! Perhaps you just not used to someone who stands up for themselves and does not roll over when ignorant anti-American/Republican propaganda is trotted out by people trying to divert attention from the crimes of the Clark regime.</p>
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		<title>By: getstaffed</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501930</link>
		<dc:creator>getstaffed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;IRD have to take a serious look at their online services &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wreck1080 - agreed. In the probably knowledge that they won&#039;t I&#039;d suggest that you file your return earlier and pre-schedule any payment via on-line banking. I&#039;ve had a run-in with IRD after doing this from overseas at the 11th hour and it&#039;s painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>IRD have to take a serious look at their online services </p></blockquote>
<p>Wreck1080 &#8211; agreed. In the probably knowledge that they won&#8217;t I&#8217;d suggest that you file your return earlier and pre-schedule any payment via on-line banking. I&#8217;ve had a run-in with IRD after doing this from overseas at the 11th hour and it&#8217;s painful.</p>
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		<title>By: steven sea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501920</link>
		<dc:creator>steven sea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don’t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn’t you start to feel like… an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don’t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn’t you start to feel like… an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: steven sea</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501919</link>
		<dc:creator>steven sea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don&#039;t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn&#039;t start to feel like... an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scared of a bunch of muesli munching hippies? Well don&#8217;t be, there not into medieval prison systems. You break there laws, you can use your back yard as a garbage dump, you can abuse your pets, you can even smack your children (if that,s what turns you on). Remember building more jails will be banned. But wouldn&#8217;t start to feel like&#8230; an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: noskire</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501912</link>
		<dc:creator>noskire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More goose-neck crap journalism, this time from NZ Herald.

&quot;National leader John Key is sticking by his decision to rule out New Zealand First from any National-led government, despite a new poll showing over a quarter of National voters want him to rethink his stance.&quot;

Despite? It&#039;s hardly an overwhelming fecking majority!

If any party brings in a policy banning polytechnics from running journalism courses, they will get my vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More goose-neck crap journalism, this time from NZ Herald.</p>
<p>&#8220;National leader John Key is sticking by his decision to rule out New Zealand First from any National-led government, despite a new poll showing over a quarter of National voters want him to rethink his stance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Despite? It&#8217;s hardly an overwhelming fecking majority!</p>
<p>If any party brings in a policy banning polytechnics from running journalism courses, they will get my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: redeye</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501903</link>
		<dc:creator>redeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee

Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin. Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians. We&#039;re all going to be paying for their blunders.

You certainly are one angry Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee</p>
<p>Half of the world outside the US is spewing hate (or at least ridicule) against/toward Palin. Everyone has the right to spew on a politician. Especially right wing US politicians. We&#8217;re all going to be paying for their blunders.</p>
<p>You certainly are one angry Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501877</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens&quot;

Fair enough. But I don&#039;t care.

I pay taxes, and I believe in taxpayers rights. Moreover, I have lived here, paid taxes here, and contributed to my community for nearly thirty years. Every morning, five days a week I get up an hour earlier than I need to to go to my church to help make lunches for the kids (mostly Maori) who turn up to school hungry. I contribute, I pay taxes and that along with the current NZ law, gives me the right.

You don&#039;t like the law? Get it changed. You don&#039;t like the US law? Move there and pay taxes. Until then stop questioning my legal rights.

I feel I have earned my right to have a say. Your entitled to your view on the issue, but constantly bringing it up on threads that are completely unrelated to that issue merely to attack me is bullshit. 

Plus, I get back to the issue that you feel you have the right to spew hate against Sarah Palin when you do not contribute ANYTHING to the USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens&#8221;</p>
<p>Fair enough. But I don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>I pay taxes, and I believe in taxpayers rights. Moreover, I have lived here, paid taxes here, and contributed to my community for nearly thirty years. Every morning, five days a week I get up an hour earlier than I need to to go to my church to help make lunches for the kids (mostly Maori) who turn up to school hungry. I contribute, I pay taxes and that along with the current NZ law, gives me the right.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like the law? Get it changed. You don&#8217;t like the US law? Move there and pay taxes. Until then stop questioning my legal rights.</p>
<p>I feel I have earned my right to have a say. Your entitled to your view on the issue, but constantly bringing it up on threads that are completely unrelated to that issue merely to attack me is bullshit. </p>
<p>Plus, I get back to the issue that you feel you have the right to spew hate against Sarah Palin when you do not contribute ANYTHING to the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501874</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens and whose 
country does not give equality in voting rights, to vote.
And since kiwis do not get the right to vote in the US even if they are paying
taxes I believe it is only fair that it should be the same for ALL Americans  resident in NZ.
And that applies to all countries who do not give reciprocal voting rights for 
kiwis who are residents and paying taxes

This is one issue where I believe NZ is too liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, I question the right of all immigrants who are not citizens and whose<br />
country does not give equality in voting rights, to vote.<br />
And since kiwis do not get the right to vote in the US even if they are paying<br />
taxes I believe it is only fair that it should be the same for ALL Americans  resident in NZ.<br />
And that applies to all countries who do not give reciprocal voting rights for<br />
kiwis who are residents and paying taxes</p>
<p>This is one issue where I believe NZ is too liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501841</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edit. This line of argument is getting out of hand.

Grumpy, you wanna debate the issues fine. You wanna question my right to vote, come and see me in person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit. This line of argument is getting out of hand.</p>
<p>Grumpy, you wanna debate the issues fine. You wanna question my right to vote, come and see me in person.</p>
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		<title>By: Storm</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501839</link>
		<dc:creator>Storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone must have forgotten about their attempt banning a decent shower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone must have forgotten about their attempt banning a decent shower.</p>
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		<title>By: redeye</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501835</link>
		<dc:creator>redeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media Consultants apparently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media Consultants apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: wreck1080</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501834</link>
		<dc:creator>wreck1080</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally got my online GST return done. 

IRD have to take a serious look at their online services if they expect people to use them.  What have they been spending their money on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally got my online GST return done. </p>
<p>IRD have to take a serious look at their online services if they expect people to use them.  What have they been spending their money on?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501832</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.&quot;

Nope. I have lived here since the 1970&#039;s.

&quot;Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you get the right to interfere in our elections ?&quot;

When in Rome :) I ha[ppen to believe that all taxpayers should have the right to vote. But you have once again proved yourself a coward and failed to answer my question. What gives YOU the right to spew hate at Sarah Palin when you do not even have the decency to move there and pay tax???

Pathetic hypocrite.

&quot;They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.&quot;

Ah yes, when you have no brain, and no intelligent argument to make, resort to schoolyard level abuse!!!

Unlike you hori, I take my right to vote seriously. I will not be wasting it on a party that has no chance of getting into power, while sitting on my hori ass and spewing abuse at anyone who does.

The moral reason I should be allowed to vote is because lazy, self-centred armchair whiners like you hate your country so much your throwing a proxy vote to Labour! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope. I have lived here since the 1970&#8242;s.</p>
<p>&#8220;Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you get the right to interfere in our elections ?&#8221;</p>
<p>When in Rome <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I ha[ppen to believe that all taxpayers should have the right to vote. But you have once again proved yourself a coward and failed to answer my question. What gives YOU the right to spew hate at Sarah Palin when you do not even have the decency to move there and pay tax???</p>
<p>Pathetic hypocrite.</p>
<p>&#8220;They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah yes, when you have no brain, and no intelligent argument to make, resort to schoolyard level abuse!!!</p>
<p>Unlike you hori, I take my right to vote seriously. I will not be wasting it on a party that has no chance of getting into power, while sitting on my hori ass and spewing abuse at anyone who does.</p>
<p>The moral reason I should be allowed to vote is because lazy, self-centred armchair whiners like you hate your country so much your throwing a proxy vote to Labour! <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ratbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501826</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most kiwis at the last election did not vote for Labour.&quot;

Here’s the thing with MMP: The most votes governs. It’s not all about National vs Labour any more. Perhaps this isn’t the way democracy is supposed to be, in your mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most kiwis at the last election did not vote for Labour.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here’s the thing with MMP: The most votes governs. It’s not all about National vs Labour any more. Perhaps this isn’t the way democracy is supposed to be, in your mind?</p>
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		<title>By: grumpyoldhori</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501825</link>
		<dc:creator>grumpyoldhori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.
Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you 
get the right to interfere in our elections ?
They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise
the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.

 Cuzzy bro, oh please, you will be trying to rant that you rant on the marae
 next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, ah you are a visitor to this little green land.<br />
Now kiwis paying taxes in the US do not get the right to vote, why should you<br />
get the right to interfere in our elections ?<br />
They say South Dakota is a great state for returning yanks, it would also raise<br />
the IQ level of both South Dakota and NZ when you go back.</p>
<p> Cuzzy bro, oh please, you will be trying to rant that you rant on the marae<br />
 next.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501824</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you missed out the good bit: “to further their - mandated - policy programme.” &quot;

Because that part of your statement was dishonest political spin.

And there was nothing &quot;mandated&quot; about it. Most kiwis at the last election did not vote for Labour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you missed out the good bit: “to further their &#8211; mandated &#8211; policy programme.” &#8221;</p>
<p>Because that part of your statement was dishonest political spin.</p>
<p>And there was nothing &#8220;mandated&#8221; about it. Most kiwis at the last election did not vote for Labour.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501821</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and grump,

if you feel free to attack Sarah Palin and comment about US politics why don&#039;t you follow your own rules. Move there and pay taxes!!!

I at least pay taxes here.

But of course everyone here knows your a hypocritical coward spouting conveniant double standards.

When you gonna come out of the closet and reveal that your really voting Labour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and grump,</p>
<p>if you feel free to attack Sarah Palin and comment about US politics why don&#8217;t you follow your own rules. Move there and pay taxes!!!</p>
<p>I at least pay taxes here.</p>
<p>But of course everyone here knows your a hypocritical coward spouting conveniant double standards.</p>
<p>When you gonna come out of the closet and reveal that your really voting Labour?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501818</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ah, so Winston did offer an honorary consol role to Glenn.&quot;

Yup!  And &quot;trust me&quot; Hulun FAILED TO TELL ANYONE.

Oops! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ah, so Winston did offer an honorary consol role to Glenn.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yup!  And &#8220;trust me&#8221; Hulun FAILED TO TELL ANYONE.</p>
<p>Oops! <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ratbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2008/10/general_debate_28_october_2008.html#comment-501817</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratbiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You missed out the good bit: &quot;to further their - mandated - policy programme.&quot; Typical Kiwiblog commentator. Very selective with your quotes, to make sure they get your meaning not mine.

Seems to me they were voted in to govern until the next election, and that&#039;s what they&#039;ve tried to do. If you want to maintain somehow that Clark is into power for powers&#039; sake, you might have to sell me that idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You missed out the good bit: &#8220;to further their &#8211; mandated &#8211; policy programme.&#8221; Typical Kiwiblog commentator. Very selective with your quotes, to make sure they get your meaning not mine.</p>
<p>Seems to me they were voted in to govern until the next election, and that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ve tried to do. If you want to maintain somehow that Clark is into power for powers&#8217; sake, you might have to sell me that idea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Clark is doing whatever she can to keep her government together&quot;

Power for powers sake. Bugger the good of the country eh???  :)</description>
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<p>Power for powers sake. Bugger the good of the country eh???  <img src='http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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